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Odingo1:
This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Can Muslim explain why Allah permit them in Koran Sura an Nissa 4 vs 23 to marry their stepdaughter and Uncle daughters, that is to marry a daughter of your father brother or mother brother or an adopted girl child which is your daughter or marry your adopted son wife if they divorce. Prophet Mohammed married his brother daughter Zainab and his adopted son wife.

You wonder why many of them are braindead? Inbreeding. Check out the effects of inbreeding.

Odingo1:
But can’t a god book do better even if another culture is practicing it. Is that morally right in your own thinking without being biased.

Moral standards are shaped by many factors, including society, religion, philosophy, and culture. What one culture sees as morally right may be considered wrong in another. This shows how complex it is to define morality universally.

From a religious viewpoint, particularly in many faiths, God is seen as the ultimate authority on morality. His standards are believed to be higher than cultural differences.

God isn’t opposed to culture itself. Culture is an important part of human expression. However, God is against specific cultural practices that conflict with His moral teachings. It's important to distinguish between cultural elements that align with divine standards and those that don’t, so people can live in a way that honors both their culture and God's principle.

Petalss:
Moral standards are shaped by many factors, including society, religion, philosophy, and culture. What one culture sees as morally right may be considered wrong in another. This shows how complex it is to define morality universally.

From a religious viewpoint, particularly in many faiths, God is seen as the ultimate authority on morality. His standards are believed to be higher than cultural differences.

God isn’t opposed to culture itself. Culture is an important part of human expression. However, God is against specific cultural practices that conflict with His moral teachings. It's important to distinguish between cultural elements that align with divine standards and those that don’t, so people can live in a way that honors both their culture and God's principle.

How do you feel marrying your father brother daughter or a stepchild, doesn’t it look disgusting to you if can be sincere.

Odingo1:
How do you feel marrying your father brother daughter or a stepchild, doesn’t it look disgusting to you if can be sincere.

Hello, I understand that cousin marriage may seem unusual to you due to cultural differences. However, it's essential to recognize that what's considered taboo in one culture is often a norm in another. Regarding your question about marrying my father's brother's daughter, I don't find it objectionable. Meaning I can marry my cousin.

In fact, cousin marriage is still practiced in many countries worldwide. A quick internet search will provide you with a list of countries where it is still prevalent.

Petalss:
Hello, I understand that cousin marriage may seem unusual to you due to cultural differences. However, it's essential to recognize that what's considered taboo in one culture is often a norm in another. Regarding your question about marrying my father's brother's daughter, I don't find it objectionable. Meaning I can marry my cousin.

In fact, cousin marriage is still practiced in many countries worldwide. A quick internet search will provide you with a list of countries where it is still prevalent.

Don't mind him guy, he his a Xtian70 % of Asia marry there cousin and nephews.. especially Indian, Japan Chinese, S.korea even in Europe do your research and see that Russian too do that .... If your culture didn't permit but there culture permitted and you are here to cry fowl only.. because in the bible asked who Abraham, Isaac,jacob, and others married too if it is not there cousin... You are here to talk heel against Islam but in your books more than 70% of the characters in the comic book married there cousins and nephews...
Christianity a big shame to you
Without lies it dies ......

Odingo1:
My research on Christian Bible shows that the act was prohibited by Moses on their way to promise land. It is forbidden for them to marry their uncle daughter or stepdaughter.
Leviticus 20:17-21 and Deuteronomy 27:20-23 clearly prohibited those practices for the Jews.

Did you read what you posted at all? lol! Quote it to show where it says what you say it says. And how's does that excuse the clear hypocrisy when incestuous relationships still happened, something you're against another religion for permitting. God even killed a man for refusing to pour his sperm in his late brother's wife. Is that not clear contradiction and hypocrisy?

Expanse2020:
Don't mind him guy, he his a Xtian70 % of Asia marry there cousin and nephews.. especially Indian, Japan Chinese, S.korea even in Europe do your research and see that Russian too do that .... If your culture didn't permit but there culture permitted and you are here to cry fowl only.. because in the bible asked who Abraham, Isaac,jacob, and others married too if it is not there cousin... You are here to talk heel against Islam but in your books more than 70% of the characters in the comic book married there cousins and nephews...
Christianity a big shame to you
Without lies it dies ......

It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

Lucifyre:
Did you read what you posted at all? lol! Quote it to show where it says what you say it says. And how's does that excuse the clear hypocrisy when incestuous relationships still happened, something you're against another religion for permitting. God even killed a man for refusing to pour his sperm in his late brother's wife. Is that not clear contradiction and hypocrisy?

It may not be directly written there, the scientific implications of genetic disease disorders that occur from such inbreeding is what matters. How come the Koran book of god don’t know that.

Odingo1:
It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

the same reason you claim your ancestors is intelligence more than bible, the same reason you are intelligent than Abraham, Isaac and his lineage who greatly and convenient enjoy both There cousins and nephews

But you forgot to read in the Quran and hadiths that your adoption child is not child and cannot bear your name and you too can't be tag has his biological father..

That shows how fool you look if you did a research but your research didn't reach up to 40%..
and now you are here making fool of yourself and your ancestors...
Please always make a research and get a fact which will not be bias next time to avoid embarrassemet from people..
Thanks buddy

Odingo1:
It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

A round of applause to your intelligent ancestors, only you can imagine how your wise ancestors have shaped the health sector of your village.

However, I can't even phantom the comparison between your ancestors and the Bible or Quran that allowed cousin marriage.

Odingo1:
It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

Do you forget your ancestors being more intelligent than your Bible?

In Leviticus 18:6-18; is it not true that marriage between first cousins is not forbidden?

Leviticus 18:6-18

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

Which verse above refers to a cousin?

Provide a verse in your Bible that clearly forbids marriage and sexual relations between first cousins or shut your mouth wrongly afflicted by stupid bias.

honesttalk21:
Do you forget your ancestors being more intelligent than your Bible?

In Leviticus 18:6-18; is it not true that marriage between first cousins is not forbidden?

Leviticus 18:6-18

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

Which verse above refers to a cousin?

Provide a verse in your Bible that clearly forbids marriage and sexual relations between first cousins or shut your mouth wrongly afflicted by stupid bias.

You answered the question here in verse 6,

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

( Your first cousin is your close relative in Jewish tradition after Moses, although this is a subject of contention in Judaism because it didn’t mention first cousins specifically that is why some Jews marry their first cousin but the act is heavily discouraged ).

The bone of contention here is that Muslims claim that Koran was entirely word from god while Christianity doesn’t claim the same for Bible rather Bible contains word of God. You see that is why Koran is more subjected to scrutiny and after the scrutiny there is so many errors or practices in Koran which indicate that it was human being that wrote Koran.

Odingo1:
You answered the question here in verse 6,

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

( Your first cousin is your close relative in Jewish tradition after Moses, although this is a subject of contention in Judaism because it didn’t mention first cousins specifically that is why some Jews marry their first cousin but the act is heavily discouraged ).

The bone of contention here is that Muslims claim that Koran was entirely word from god while Christianity doesn’t claim the same for Bible rather Bible contains word of God. You see that is why Koran is more subjected to scrutiny and after the scrutiny there is so many errors or practices in Koran which indicate that it was human being that wrote Koran.

Do you feign ignorance that verses 7 to 17 elucidate about verse 6?

Verses 7-17 provide specific examples of these prohibited relationships, detailing various familial connections that are considered inappropriate for sexual intimacy.

By Jewish law, cousin marriages are permitted. The Torah does not explicitly prohibit such unions, and historical texts suggest that marriages among relatives were viewed positively. For instance, the Talmud mentions that a person is encouraged to marry their niece, indicating a cultural acceptance of marrying within close familial ties. The Talmud explicitly mentions the marriage of an uncle to his niece. See Yevamot 62b.

Numbers 36:11reports Zelophehad’s daughters—Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milkah and Noah—married their cousins on their father’s side.

Odingo1:
It may not be directly written there, the scientific implications of genetic disease disorders that occur from such inbreeding is what matters. How come the Koran book of god don’t know that.

Same way i'ld ask how come the bible and the god of the bible fail to know the same thing?

Lucifyre:
Same way i'ld ask how come the bible and the god of the bible fail to know the same thing?

Christians did not say that Bible is a direct word of God but are saying that Bible contains word of God or words from people that is inspired by God but Muslims claim that Koran is entirely words from God.

Christians can easily deny any error or strange practices in the Bible because it is not given by god directly while on Muslim side, it is not possible to deny any part of Koran since it is directly from God.

So Muslims find it difficult to explain child marriages, capturing women for sex slaves and keeping slaves, Sun and Moon moving in Orbit, incest sisterly marriages that is found in Koran which is acclaimed word of god.

honesttalk21:
Do you feign ignorance that verses 7 to 17 elucidate about verse 6?

Verses 7-17 provide specific examples of these prohibited relationships, detailing various familial connections that are considered inappropriate for sexual intimacy.

By Jewish law, cousin marriages are permitted. The Torah does not explicitly prohibit such unions, and historical texts suggest that marriages among relatives were viewed positively. For instance, the Talmud mentions that a person is encouraged to marry their niece, indicating a cultural acceptance of marrying within close familial ties. The Talmud explicitly mentions the marriage of an uncle to his niece. See Yevamot 62b.

Numbers 36:11reports Zelophehad’s daughters—Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milkah and Noah—married their cousins on their father’s side.

Yes even if Jews practice it, Koran is held responsible since it is a word from Allah, so how is Koran a word from all knowing god don’t know that close relative marriage brings genetic disorders, that child marriage or slavery is not good

Odingo1:
Christians did not say that Bible is a direct word of God but are saying that Bible contains word of God or words from people that is inspired by God but Muslims claim that Koran is entirely words from God.

Christians can easily deny any error or strange practices in the Bible because it is not given by god directly while on Muslim side, it is not possible to deny any part of Koran since it is directly from God.

So Muslims find it difficult to explain child marriages, capturing women for sex slaves and keeping slaves, Sun and Moon moving in Orbit, incest sisterly marriages that is found in Koran which is acclaimed word of god.

so now with the little theology concept you have. Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. you have seen the truth and it left for you to choose the religion of your chosen

Odingo1:
Christians did not say that Bible is a direct word of God but are saying that Bible contains word of God or words from people that is inspired by God but Muslims claim that Koran is entirely words from God.

Christians can easily deny any error or strange practices in the Bible because it is not given by god directly while on Muslim side, it is not possible to deny any part of Koran since it is directly from God.

So Muslims find it difficult to explain child marriages, capturing women for sex slaves and keeping slaves, Sun and Moon moving in Orbit, incest sisterly marriages that is found in Koran which is acclaimed word of god.

How convenient. Where do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption? Denying what's in your bible when it shows god speaking directly while attacking the views of others for the same is stinking hypocrisy. Whatever you don't like, you try to deny, absolute stinking hypocrisy. I first said i wasn't sure if it was ignorance or hypocrisy, now I'm sure.

Lucifyre:
How convenient. Where do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption? Denying what's in your bible when it shows god speaking directly while attacking the views of others for the same is stinking hypocrisy. Whatever you don't like, you try to deny absolute stinking hypocrisy. I first said i wasn't sure if it was ignorance or hypocrisy, now I'm sure.

There no hypocrisy here, why do Christians call the laws that god gave to Moses the law of Moses instead of law of god

Kingsempires:
so now with the little theology concept you have. Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. you have seen the truth and it left for you to choose the religion of your chosen

The truth is that every religious book on earth (Bible,Koran etc) is written by human beings, you can now said that those who wrote them did that by god influence. Koran cannot be given direct from god with clear errors, strange practices like child marriage or endorsing slavery, not knowing that Sun don’t move in orbit etc.

I did my research for all this and if you are a Muslim, I can debate with you to show you that Koran was written by human being according to limited knowledge available to the writer 1400 years ago.

Odingo1:
There no hypocrisy here, why do Christians call the laws that god gave to Moses the law of Moses instead of law of god

...do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption?

Odingo1:
Yes even if Jews practice it, Koran is held responsible since it is a word from Allah, so how is Koran a word from all knowing god don’t know that close relative marriage brings genetic disorders, that child marriage or slavery is not good

Wawo, just wow.

Odingo1:
The truth is that every religious book on earth (Bible,Koran etc) is written by human beings, you can now said that those who wrote them did that by god influence. Koran cannot be given direct from god with clear errors, strange practices like child marriage or endorsing slavery, not knowing that Sun don’t move in orbit etc.

I did my research for all this and if you are a Muslim, I can debate with you to show you that Koran was written by human being according to limited knowledge available to the writer 1400 years ago.

Let's just call the Bible the Book of man since it is written by man according to your claim.

Petalss:
Wawo, just wow.

Dude turned you into an ambulance with his brain dead reasoning 😂

Lucifyre:
Dude turned you into an ambulance with his brain dead reasoning 😂

Imagine the Quran according to him to tell his ancestors that AS and AS should not marry.

Odingo1:
( Your first cousin is your close relative in Jewish tradition after Moses, although this is a subject of contention in Judaism because it didn’t mention first cousins specifically that is why some Jews marry their first cousin but the act is heavily discouraged ).

You claim the act of marrying cousins is heavily discouraged by who? The Jewish law, jews or modern day society?

Odingo1:
Yes even if Jews practice it, Koran is held responsible since it is a word from Allah, so how is Koran a word from all knowing god don’t know that close relative marriage brings genetic disorders, that child marriage or slavery is not good

Ask yourself a straight question. When the Jews started marrying amongst their cousins was the Quran revealed?

Going further do you say children born of unrelated parents generally have no risk of inheriting genetic diseases?

The decision to marry a cousin is a personal one based on individual circumstances, cultural norms, and family preferences. While there may be potential genetic risks as in all cases of reproduction, many couples who are cousins have healthy relationships and families.

What do you know about the relationship between probability and actual occurrences?
There are legitimate concerns regarding the health risks associated with consanguinity however these risks may be overstated when viewed without context.

The actual impact on public health varies widely based on numerous factors including degree of relatedness, population genetics, environmental influences, and cultural perceptions.

Now do you expect God to talk with a people in manners they don't understand or expect there to be draconian laws? Fortunately you are not God and can never be so you cannot force your whims on others.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzFHr3nM8U?si=oWZgOR-W21Hr50lJ

Petalss:
Imagine the Quran according to him to tell his ancestors that AS and AS should not marry.

I am a free thinker and religious researcher, if you remove your bias from your religious book you will agree with me that Quoran was written by human thought and imagination.

If Koran wrote that AS should marry AS, doesn’t that error tell you that the book was human write up, like similar example is that Koran allow close relative marriage, allow slavery, allow child marriage, said that the Sun is orbiting and the moon is orbiting and the two cannot meet each other, saying that Sun goes down under the table of god or muddy water and seek permission to come out the next day.

You will see that the person that is writing Koran obviously doesn’t know that the Sun never went down at night rather earth rotation make it to shine in the other part of the world. Another one is promising of big breasted virgin girls to Muslims in Islamic paradise and more, there is so many things that gave Koran out as human thoughts and write up.

honesttalk21:
You claim the act of marrying cousins is heavily discouraged by who? The Jewish law, jews or modern day society?



Ask yourself a straight question. When the Jews started marrying amongst their cousins was the Quran revealed?

Going further do you say children born of unrelated parents generally have no risk of inheriting genetic diseases?

The decision to marry a cousin is a personal one based on individual circumstances, cultural norms, and family preferences. While there may be potential genetic risks as in all cases of reproduction, many couples who are cousins have healthy relationships and families.

What do you know about the relationship between probability and actual occurrences?
There are legitimate concerns regarding the health risks associated with consanguinity however these risks may be overstated when viewed without context.

The actual impact on public health varies widely based on numerous factors including degree of relatedness, population genetics, environmental influences, and cultural perceptions.

Now do you expect God to talk with a people in manners they don't understand or expect there to be draconian laws? Fortunately you are not God and can never be so you cannot force your whims on others.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzFHr3nM8U?si=oWZgOR-W21Hr50lJ

The question here is simple, why can’t Koran if it is a word from god tell Mohammed not do close relative marriage that cause genetic disorder, tell him to abolish slavery, not do child marriage of marrying underage girls from 9 years old which cause a lot vagina fistula diseases rampant in Muslim northern Nigeria and many Muslim countries like Afghanistan, Iran,Pakistan, Bangladesh etc simply because Koran allows it and not make mistakes about Sun rotation and other clear errors.
All this things gave Koran out as mere human write up even one Hadith mentioned the man that is writing the relevantion for prophet Mohammed.

Odingo1:
The question here is simple, why can’t Koran if it is a word from god tell Mohammed not do close relative marriage that cause genetic disorder, tell him to abolish slavery, not do child marriage of marrying underage girls from 9 years old which cause a lot vagina fistula diseases rampant in Muslim northern Nigeria and many Muslim countries like Afghanistan, Iran,Pakistan, Bangladesh etc simply because Koran allows it and not make mistakes about Sun rotation and other clear errors.
All this things gave Koran out as mere human write up even one Hadith mentioned the man that is writing the relevantion for prophet Mohammed.

Dear Mr. Free Thinker,

I encourage you to truly open your mind and approach this subject with a sense of intellectual freedom before diving into religious research. You've made several assertions, but I suspect many of them are based on second-hand information or possibly content from YouTube videos. It seems like much of what you've shared could be classified as hearsay, and I challenge you to reflect on how thoroughly you've actually investigated these matters.

Can you honestly say you've taken the time to read the Quran yourself? Have you explored its teachings firsthand, even through an English translation? I would wager that there's an 80% chance you haven’t. It's important, especially if you are presenting yourself as a religious researcher, to base your claims on personal study and verified sources rather than mere assumptions or surface-level knowledge.

In true scholarly inquiry, one must ask thoughtful questions and engage critically with the material. Simply making statements without proper examination of the facts doesn't advance meaningful understanding. So, before asserting what is or isn’t true, take a moment to engage with the texts directly and see for yourself.

Muhammad said he got inspiration from allah to marry his adopted son's wife. The love for puci and food sent Muhammad to his early grave

Petalss:
Dear Mr. Free Thinker,

I encourage you to truly open your mind and approach this subject with a sense of intellectual freedom before diving into religious research. You've made several assertions, but I suspect many of them are based on second-hand information or possibly content from YouTube videos. It seems like much of what you've shared could be classified as hearsay, and I challenge you to reflect on how thoroughly you've actually investigated these matters.

Can you honestly say you've taken the time to read the Quran yourself? Have you explored its teachings firsthand, even through an English translation? I would wager that there's an 80% chance you haven’t. It's important, especially if you are presenting yourself as a religious researcher, to base your claims on personal study and verified sources rather than mere assumptions or surface-level knowledge.

In true scholarly inquiry, one must ask thoughtful questions and engage critically with the material. Simply making statements without proper examination of the facts doesn't advance meaningful understanding. So, before asserting what is or isn’t true, take a moment to engage with the texts directly and see for yourself.

I have read Koran and I know what I am saying. Look at this verse Koran Koran 65: 4, it says;
65:4
Sahih International
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

The verse clearly said for those who have not menstruated (underage children), that is why Muslims marry under age girls from the age 9.

Odingo1:
This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Can Muslim explain why Allah permit them in Koran Sura an Nissa 4 vs 23 to marry their stepdaughter and Uncle daughters, that is to marry a daughter of your father brother or mother brother or an adopted girl child which is your daughter or marry your adopted son wife if they divorce. Prophet Mohammed married his brother daughter Zainab and his adopted son wife.

Because Islam is a rotten perversion started by a murderous pedophile. Muhammad was the Antichrist