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Ojuntana:
Stop advertising your ignorance. Elohim is not a name God gave himself. It is an appellation given to God by the Hebrews because they feared to call God by His given name which is Yahweh. Elohim is not the only name they call him. They also call him ElShaddai etc. Anywhere you see The Lord used in Hebrew texts, it refers to an appellation given to God by the Hebrews. God is Yahweh in Hebrew not Elohim

I am not sure you are getting my point Sherlock.

Elohim is plural of Eloha
It was used for only Moses in exodus 7:1

That is a majestic plural except you want to tell us God sent at least 2 Moses as Elohim to Pharaoh.

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

They are just human ways of coming to term with the concept of trinity.
I believe in unification by purpose

MaxInDHouse:
There are many demons answering Jesus and God today {2Corinthians 11:14} so if you're just considering the name they call their Gods you may be confused.

What you should carefully note is the command their Gods are giving them if it's in line with what Jesus taught in the Bible.
I understand the fact that Jehovah's witnessess doesn't subscribe to Trinity. However, does that means the Jehovah you call upon and

For instance Jesus' disciples must not raise any weapon against their neighbours {Mark 12:31} neither should they think of killing their fellow believers {John 13:34-35} all these makes no sense to them yet they're calling Jesus claiming he is their God! Matthew 7:21-23

He himself said it's in vain they are doing all those worship because he doesn't even know them! Matthew 15:8-9

I acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity. However, are you asserting with certainty or merely expressing your opinion that the God they worship, known as Jehovah or Yahweh, is fundamentally different from the God you worship, also referred to as Jehovah? Could you clarify the distinction you see between these two, if any?

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

Antichristian, you are discussing a topic you don't know and are not part of.

Islam you are trying to defend is a confusion.
See this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FcD3n44_sI?si=hW8Cu6LIIsmWub7n

See , you you cannot compare fake with original.

Petalss:
I acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity. However, are you asserting with certainty or merely expressing your opinion that the God they worship, known as Jehovah or Yahweh, is fundamentally different from the God you worship, also referred to as Jehovah? Could you clarify the distinction you see between these two, if any?

The true God said Satan is deceiving people so Satan and Demons often appear to people of the world telling them names to brainwash them into disobeying what God said.

The true God has a purpose for which He has arranged pure worship and it's clearly stated in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

Faithful people globally will connect themselves and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

That's what Jesus of Nazareth commissioned in the first century so if any religion is not achieving this then they are not doing the will of God so neither Jesus or Jehovah know them! Matthew 7:15-23

ShoeGetSize:
Go and be committing sins like fornication as allah wants you to. Or do you want allah to commit genocide against you?

Abu Ayyub Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin, and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon.

Sahih Muslim 2748b

Another foolish comment!
What about All man have sinned and come short of the Glory of God! Even Jesus is included as he was a man!
I will commit the sin destined for me on my own! No one forces me to do the sins except myself.

Steep:
That is because it is believed that the elders or kings are not alone but the gods or ancestors are with them. Kings in history speak for their whole kingdom. They use "we" when speaking from their office as king which is a representation of the collective will of the people.

you have just revealed that plurality is more glorious than singularity. It just exposes allah as a wannabe.

You are bring in more lies! The Yorubas and Arabs do not have such believes!
It is simply for respect!

A kid will use "They" for one elder as used for many persons in Yoruba! No ancestor is involved!

Kingsempires:
you are right

Kingsempires. A personal question for just you.
Do Christians and Muslims worship the same deity, despite their differing beliefs and practices?"

Qasim6:
I am not sure you are getting my point Sherlock.

Elohim is plural of Eloha
It was used for only Moses in exodus 7:1

That is a majestic plural except you want to tell us God sent at least 2 Moses as Elohim to Pharaoh.

It has already been pointed out that Hebrews use Elohim to reverence God. So using it for Moses in relation to Pharaoh only means Moses will have same reverence as God to Pharaoh. What is the point you're making here

AntiChristian:
Another foolish comment!
What about All man have sinned and come short of the Glory of God! Even Jesus is included as he was a man!
I will commit the sin destined for me on my own! No one forces me to do the sins except myself.

Wonderful!! So there are pre-destined sins in Islam. So what sin is pre-destined for you AntiChristian? Lemme guess. Sleeping with your son's wife or stealing money from your workplace?
You Islamists are raving mad I swear
Can you quote anywhere in the quran where this doctrine is established or lying against the quran is part of your pre-destined sins?
Qassim6 petals

Ojuntana:
It is left for you to explain how that particular verse in Gen17vs20 relates to Islam. The preceding verse has God clearly rejecting Ishmael as the son of promise. Or did you not read God's reply to Abraham's prayer? Even in the preceding chapter, the Angel of God blessed the child but predicted his future and none of the prediction has anything to do with establishing a religion. In chapter 21 as well, God explicitly said Isaac is the reckoned son but he will also make of Ishmael a nation and in verse 20 of that same chapter he got a wife and became a "great archer in the wilderness". That is the fulfillment of the prophecy concerning Ishmael. Also note that even Esau was blessed by God in Genesis and he had plenty as recorded in chapter 33. If we are to use your interpretation, one wonders where the religion of Esau is.

No, the previous verse did not exclude Ishmael in any way, the covenant is already in place, so the promise of establishing something already in place with Isaac when he is born in future does not in any way exclude Ishmael.

This is Abraham prayer "oh that Ishmael might LIVE BEFORE you."

God response to the prayer "as for Ishmael, I have HEARD you: I will surely bless him........and I will make him into a great nation.

Do you think the great nation is going to be an Idolatry great nation?

and don't be fooled the blessing of Isaac is not everlasting as verse 19 claimed, because if the blessing is everlasting and it is not going to end Jesus won't be telling the Israelites in Matthew 21:43 that the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them, and it will be given to a nation that will produce its fruit.

So it is either the covenant is everlasting and Jesus was lying to them or the covenant is not everlasting and Jesus was just telling them their fate.

Petalss:
Kingsempires. A personal question for just you. Do Christians and Muslims worship the same deity, despite their differing beliefs and practices?"

Names religions calls themselves shouldn't blur your senses my guy, there are just TWO religions: Matthew 7:13-14

Wordhipers of God.
Wordhipers of Satan.

You can't figure out which is which if you're just thinking about what they're called or the name they call their Gods or their form of worship.

God is supposed to be the supreme ruler of the universe but Satan challenged that and ever since then Satan has been brainwashing billions of people to join his side and politics is what he uses in recruiting them.

So if any religion is participating in politics they will always do horrible things in the name of God in fact they will kill their neighbors, families and even their fellow believers! Revelations 6:3-4

Only worshipers of the true God can see through the thick gloom that's why Jesus said the greatest commandments is Love for God and Love for neighbors! Mark 12:29-31

Satan will blind all others from seeing this! 2Corinthians 4:4

Petalss:
Kingsempires. A personal question for just you.
Do Christians and Muslims worship the same deity, despite their differing beliefs and practices?"

Christian, Muslim, Jewish all worship that same God but all have different Ideology about God .even Hinduism that is a polytheistic religion worships Almighty God (brahma)

MaxInDHouse:
The true God said Satan is deceiving people so Satan and Demons often appear to people of the world telling them names to brainwash them into disobeying what God said.

The true God has a purpose for which He has arranged pure worship and it's clearly stated in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

Faithful people globally will connect themselves and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

That's what Jesus of Nazareth commissioned in the first century so if any religion is not achieving this then they are not doing the will of God so neither Jesus or Jehovah know them! Matthew 7:15-23

Mr Max, I didn't get the answer convened in your response.

Imagine a mother who gives her two children the same set of instructions on how to prepare a meal. One child follows the instructions carefully and fully understands the process, preparing the meal as intended. The other child misinterprets part of the instructions and ends up preparing the meal differently, perhaps leaving out some ingredients or cooking it in a different way. While the meals they prepare may look or taste different, both children were still following the instructions of the same mother.

If both children were given the same guidance from their mother, does the difference in how they understood and followed it mean they have a different mother, or is it simply a difference in their interpretation of her instruction?

Ojuntana:
Wonderful!! So there are pre-destined sins in Islam. So what sin is pre-destined for you AntiChristian? Lemme guess. Sleeping with your son's wife or stealing money from your workplace?
You Islamists are raving mad I swear
Can you quote anywhere in the quran where this doctrine is established or lying against the quran is part of your pre-destined sins?
Qassim6 petals

More foolishness! Please go and get sense!
Everything is predestined in Islam!

Even if i show you in the Qur'an will you believe it?

Abeg!

Petalss:
Mr Max, I didn't get the answer convened in your response.
Imagine a mother who gives her two children the same set of instructions on how to prepare a meal. One child follows the instructions carefully and fully understands the process, preparing the meal as intended. The other child misinterprets part of the instructions and ends up preparing the meal differently, perhaps leaving out some ingredients or cooking it in a different way. While the meals they prepare may look or taste different, both children were still following the instructions of the same mother.
If both children were given the same guidance from their mother, does the difference in how they understood and followed it mean they have a different mother, or is it simply a difference in their interpretation of her instruction?

Let's imagine you are that mother will you approve your children fighting and killing one another claiming it's due to your instructions they want to follow?

MightySparrow:
Antichristian, you are discussing a topic you don't know and are not part of.

Islam you are trying to defend is a confusion.
See this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FcD3n44_sI?si=hW8Cu6LIIsmWub7n

See , you you cannot compare fake with original.

Old man!
You suppose don ja than all these scam na!
Chai!

Agba o kogbon looto o!

Qasim6:
No, the previous verse did not exclude Ishmael in any way, the covenant is already in place, so the promise of establishing something already in place with Isaac when he is born in future does not in any way exclude Ishmael.

This is Abraham prayer "oh that Ishmael might LIVE BEFORE you."

God response to the prayer "as for Ishmael, I have HEARD you: I will surely bless him........and I will make him into a great nation.

Do you think the great nation is going to be an Idolatry great nation?

and don't be fooled the blessing of Isaac is not everlasting as verse 19 claimed, because if the blessing is everlasting and it is not going to end Jesus won't be telling the Israelites in Matthew 21:43 that the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them, and it will be given to a nation that will produce its fruit.

So it is either the covenant is everlasting and Jesus was lying to them or the covenant is not everlasting and Jesus was just telling them their fate.

Islamists and attempts to obfsucate issues is not new. Read below Genesis 17:17-22

Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, “Shall a child be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?” 18And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!”

19Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him. 20And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21[b]But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year.”[/b] 22Then He finished talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

It is easy to see that God rejected establishing is kingdom through Ishmael even with Abraham's pleas. He specifically said Isaac will be born and will carry the covenant. Ishmael was circumcised. But that was the end of it. None of his descendants after him were circumcised.
The promise to Ishmael is to make him a great nation with 12 children. No more. No less. Quit the lies abeg.

And the covenant is everlasting. It is fulfilled through the birth of Jesus. Jesus is from the line of Isaac. And the kingdom being taken away from Israelites which he referred to is simply to say that the Gospel of Jesus will be taken from them and given to Gentiles. That is why there are more non-Israelite Christians today than there are Christian Jews. It does not mean the covenant is not everlasting since Jesus came from the seed of Isaac. "Through you the whole earth will be blessed" That's the covenant.

AntiChristian:
You are bring in more lies! The Yorubas and Arabs do not have such believes!
It is simply for respect!

A kid will use "They" for one elder as used for many persons in Yoruba! No ancestor is involved!

Yes, in Yoruba culture and religion, it is believed that the ancestors (known as **Egungun**) and the gods or deities (known as **Orishas**) play significant roles in guiding the living, especially in decision-making.

The ancestors, who are revered and honored through rituals, are thought to continue to have a presence in the lives of their descendants. They are believed to provide protection, guidance, and blessings, and are often consulted during important family or community decisions.

The Orishas, on the other hand, are powerful deities representing various aspects of nature and life (such as Ogun for war and iron, or Sango for thunder and lightning). They act as intermediaries between the Supreme Being (**Olodumare**) and humans. In many cases, decisions are made after consulting these deities, often through divination practices like **Ifá**.

Both the ancestors and the Orishas are believed to work together, influencing the course of events and ensuring harmony between the spiritual and physical worlds.

Yes, the use of the "Royal We" when greeting elders in Yoruba culture reflects deep respect and reverence, rooted in the belief that elders are connected to both the living and the spiritual realms, including ancestors and the gods. The Yoruba people believe that elders carry the wisdom and experience of those who came before them, and their guidance is seen as divinely inspired.

In Yoruba language and culture, plural pronouns and honorifics are used when addressing elders to show respect, acknowledging not only the individual but also their connection to the family lineage, ancestors, and the community. This form of address reinforces the idea that elders are embodiments of ancestral knowledge and have a special role in maintaining spiritual and social order.

In essence, by using the "Royal We," younger people are recognizing the authority, spiritual significance, and the collective wisdom of their elders, which is believed to be influenced by both the gods (Orishas) and ancestors (Egungun).

Kingsempires:
Christian, Muslim, Jewish all worship that same God but all have different Ideology about God .even Hinduism that is a polytheistic religion worships Almighty God (brahma)

Good and fine. I totally agree with you.

In Surah Al-'Ankabut (29:46) "And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'

"This verse acknowledges that the God of the Muslims is the same as the God worshiped by the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians). The Quran emphasizes that although there may be differences in religious practices or revelations, the underlying belief in one God remains the same across these Abrahamic faiths.

AntiChristian:
More foolishness! Please go and get sense!
Everything is predestined in Islam!

Even if i show you in the Qur'an will you believe it?

Abeg!

Kindly show me where it is predestined to commit sin in your Quran. You are a munafiq and a blasphemer!!

Why do you have sharia if you are already programmed with a specific sin. Why should you be held accountable for what is not your fault? Why should you lose your limbs or get stoned for what you did not do of your own volitiion?
Yous sir, are raving mad!!

AntiChristian:
Old man!
You suppose don ja than all these scam na!
Chai!

Agba o kogbon looto o!

Is this not confusion?
The same you are doing on Christian platform making mockery of Islam.

Ojuntana:
Islamists and attempts to obfsucate issues is not new. Read below Genesis 17:17-22


It is easy to see that God rejected establishing is kingdom through Ishmael even with Abraham's pleas. He specifically said Isaac will be born and will carry the covenant. Ishmael was circumcised. But that was the end of it. None of his descendants after him were circumcised.
The promise to Ishmael is to make him a great nation with 12 children. No more. No less. Quit the lies abeg.

And the covenant is everlasting. It is fulfilled through the birth of Jesus. Jesus is from the line of Isaac. And the kingdom being taken away from Israelites which he referred to is simply to say that the Gospel of Jesus will be taken from them and given to Gentiles. That is why there are more non-Israelite Christians today than there are Christian Jews. It does not mean the covenant is not everlasting since Jesus came from the seed of Isaac. "Through you the whole earth will be blessed" That's the covenant.

So if the covenant with Isaac is everlasting.

Why did Jesus tell them the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them and it will be given to a nation that will produce its fruit?

Was Jesus lying?

I am not sure u realize you are contradicting yourself, in one breath you are saying the covenant with Isaac is everlasting, in another you are saying the covenant has been taken away from them and it has been given to the gentiles.

Saying that all men have sinned is different from saying all men MUST sin!

In Christianity, we believe that men are to repent from their sins:

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:19

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:
but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Proverbs 28:13

It is only in islam that you are directly instructed by allah and muhammad to sin and continue sinning so that allah will not get angry with you and commit genocide on you!

Abu Ayyub Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin, and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon.

Sahih Muslim 2748b
In-book reference: Book 50, Hadith 12

AntiChristian:
Another foolish comment!
What about All man have sinned and come short of the Glory of God! Even Jesus is included as he was a man!
I will commit the sin destined for me on my own! No one forces me to do the sins except myself.

Petalss:
I [b]acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity. [/b]However, are you asserting with certainty or merely expressing your opinion that the God they worship, known as Jehovah or Yahweh, is fundamentally different from the God you worship, also referred to as Jehovah? Could you clarify the distinction you see between these two, if any?

They are the one preaching Trinity with their NWT translation.
Just read John 1:1 , it presents plural gods different from what trinitarians both teach and believe.

Emusan:
Both the heat, the fire and gasses ALL TOGETHER ARE CALLED SUN.

You can't call the gasses alone sun nor call the heat or the fire sun.

But in human terminology, human still call the heat sun.

The sun generates heat primarily through a process called nuclear fusion as follows:

Nuclear Fusion in the Sun
Process: The sun primarily fuses hydrogen nuclei (protons) into helium nuclei.
Location: This fusion occurs in the core of the sun, where temperatures reach around 15 million degrees Celsius (27 million degrees Fahrenheit).
Energy Release: The fusion process releases a massive amount of energy in the form of light and heat. This energy radiates outward and eventually reaches the Earth.
Byproducts: The fusion of hydrogen into helium also produces other particles, such as neutrinos and gamma rays.

The Gasses can't act on their own and be called Sun! The heat can't be alone and be called Sun! But altogether and with the right conditions of temperature and pressure they can make up the Sun! Is this how you describe trinity? Jesus is only God when he is together with the father and Spirit. Even the father is incomplete on his own!

It's not!

Fire is a part on its own
Likewise heat and gasses.

So if that to be considered a living thing then, it means both can be called PERSON

None of the parts of the sun can stand on its own to be called Sun!

It did not.

Just understand the basic of it first!

The basics is what i have explained above. How does trinity fit into such illustration?

Can you even listen to yourself?

It there anything that can be compared to God in the whole universe?

You want Trinitarian to use limited world substance to PERFECTLY EXPLAIN the unlimited PERSONS of God.

How could that be?

@color part had already solved your issue but you just want to continue with your buhaha.

You decided to ratio three persons instead of taking each of them as a person! By saying it is 1:1:1, means only one can act at a time.
This is a limitation!

The absolute unity of God does not present any limitations!

Is the koran also allah?

Qasim6:
I am not sure you are getting my point Sherlock.

Elohim is plural of Eloha
It was used for only Moses in exodus 7:1

That is a majestic plural except you want to tell us God sent at least 2 Moses as Elohim to Pharaoh.

Qasim6:
So if the covenant with Isaac is everlasting.

Why did Jesus tell them the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them and it will be given to a nation that will produce its fruit?

Was Jesus lying?

He was not. The covenant is fulfilled in Jesus. All those who believe in Jesus and bear fruits of repentance will enjoy the benefits of the covenant like other Israelites who rejected it would

MaxInDHouse:
Let's imagine you are that mother will you approve your children fighting and killing one another claiming it's due to your instructions they want to follow?

You haven't answered my question still.

I won't approve my children kill each other under my watch.

ShoeGetSize:
Saying that all men have sinned is different from saying all men MUST sin!

In Christianity, we believe that men are to repent from their sins:

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:19

He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:
but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Proverbs 28:13

It is only in islam that you are directly instructed by allah and muhammad to sin and continue sinning so that allah will not get angry with you and commit genocide on you!

Abu Ayyub Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin, and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon.

Sahih Muslim 2748b
In-book reference: Book 50, Hadith 12

All men have sinned. Doesn't this include the ones yet to be born?
Is it not saying they will sin too?

Use your brain!

MightySparrow:
Is this not confusion?
The same you are doing on Christian platform making mockery of Islam.

Where's the confusion with a scammer?
Where's the mockery?

You can't answer question on what you don't understand yourself!

Steep:
Yes, in Yoruba culture and religion, it is believed that the ancestors (known as **Egungun**) and the gods or deities (known as **Orishas**) play significant roles in guiding the living, especially in decision-making.

The ancestors, who are revered and honored through rituals, are thought to continue to have a presence in the lives of their descendants. They are believed to provide protection, guidance, and blessings, and are often consulted during important family or community decisions.

The Orishas, on the other hand, are powerful deities representing various aspects of nature and life (such as Ogun for war and iron, or Sango for thunder and lightning). They act as intermediaries between the Supreme Being (**Olodumare**) and humans. In many cases, decisions are made after consulting these deities, often through divination practices like **Ifá**.

Both the ancestors and the Orishas are believed to work together, influencing the course of events and ensuring harmony between the spiritual and physical worlds.

Yes, the use of the "Royal We" when greeting elders in Yoruba culture reflects deep respect and reverence, rooted in the belief that elders are connected to both the living and the spiritual realms, including ancestors and the gods. The Yoruba people believe that elders carry the wisdom and experience of those who came before them, and their guidance is seen as divinely inspired.

In Yoruba language and culture, plural pronouns and honorifics are used when addressing elders to show respect, acknowledging not only the individual but also their connection to the family lineage, ancestors, and the community. This form of address reinforces the idea that elders are embodiments of ancestral knowledge and have a special role in maintaining spiritual and social order.

In essence, by using the "Royal We," younger people are recognizing the authority, spiritual significance, and the collective wisdom of their elders, which is believed to be influenced by both the gods (Orishas) and ancestors (Egungun).

1. Where is the reference for all this as regards Yoruba Lexicon?

2. Where is the reference for this as regards Arabic Lexicon?