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giselle237:
You are allowed to have your thoughts most assuredly. If I got 5m naira monthly in Nigeria I would not come here.
Rent is once a year. She pays her 7million out of 60million and is sorted. Rent is monthly here, this already makes both unequal to compare.
Iphone will not be bought every month. School fees is also not paid in Nigeria every month for 12 months.
Little or no tax in Nigeria. What is better about the Uk in terms of her starting salary? Nothing. Other luxuries would come easy and cheap.
Can she afford a driver, child minder, nanny and cook on the NHS starting salary as a nurse and still pay rent, council tax, water, electricity and cost of living in the UK from roughly £2300? NO! She can easily afford her luxuries every month in Nigeria and still be ok and have her family support childcare with a net of 5 million and no sweat. Her husband would also be working and bringing in his own income.
Only the childcare issues alone in the UK with children aged 5 years and 7 years and her shifts… she will start her cries..
yes there is insecurity in Nigeria but most people here still have majority of their families living in Nigeria, let me assume they dont care about their families—> most still have their biological parents living in Nigeria with the insecurity, what makes her different from your parents that are still living in the midst of this very drowning insecurity even though it breaks our hearts but we can not do anything ? Why is her own the highlight?
@nursegrace if the 5 million naira job is certain, take it!!!! It is a good sum to come in monthly for a WOMAN living in a low income, low taxed country like Nigeria. I am talking real life situation here, not internet. Your husband would easily be able to financially support his home.
Your workload in Nigeria can never be compared to the workload of an NHS nurse who still needs to go back home and be a wife and a mother. The burnout is real from all fronts.
For me, I can not compare a monthly take home of £2300 in the UK to that of 5 million naira in Nigeria and choose UK. I would be telling lies to you as I have earned way more than twice your NHS starting salary in here while going to work every single day completely burnt out but still showing up and in hindsight I would take a 5m option to live in Nigeria with my luxuries if I could. Easily affordable and accessible childcare for starters!!! . At least I would enjoy this 5m for the next one year first
Leave no room for regrets. This typing space is too small for me to write everything.

You forgot to add the part where she and her family can be kidnapped for living in affluence or driving a nice car. Hanty uk is better than that hell home for now.

ehizario2012:
Oil and gas Nurse, reminds me of that Senior Mental health nurse with sponsorship, free accomodation and all those perks

Where is komburu 😂😂

ehizario2012:
Oil and gas Nurse, reminds me of that Senior Mental health nurse with sponsorship, free accomodation and all those perks

LMAO

NurseGrace:
Please I need to make an important decision in my life and I need opinions expecially from people in the Uk. I am a Nurse in Nigeria who just got 2 job offers, the 1st is with an oil company in Nigeria with a monthly pay of 5million monthly and the second is a job in UK with the NHS. Please I need suggestions please, if you were in my shoes which will u choose. This decision is very important to me. And by the way I am 35yrs with a husband who is a civil servant here and 2 children (5years and 7years).

I hope i get to see this kind of offer one day. I will leave Uk straight up. You want to be happy or you want to work like horse?

lavida001:
You forgot to add the part where she and her family can be kidnapped for living in affluence or driving a nice car. Hanty uk is better than that hell home for now.

You also haven't completely escaped the insecurity and threat of kidnapping as long as your parents and siblings are living there. It’s not just the drivers of ‘nice cars’ who are unsafe; everyone is at risk.
So, why is this such a highlight for her and her 5 million?
As I mentioned before, I strongly encourage her to take the £2,000 job. I’m also very open to look into finding a replacement for her position—she could earn 1.5-2 million every month with that option.
Signing out.

justwise:
I will take the NHS job offer, 5m is a lot of money yes but Nigeria has no value system and the economy is very unstable .

Take this as a five years project and the family will be settled, someone has to do night shift to make this work.

It's interesting how this argument has "evolved" sha.
I recalled it used to be "200k job in NG or relocating to Canada" around 2013 or so
later it became, "if I earn 500k in NG, I have no business relocating"
then "Bank Mgrs relocating are fools" blah blah
then the benchmark moved to 1m, 2m......now 5m

I'm not advising anyone please (the question seems hypothetical to me at best) but if in a bid to keep the trend logical, the NGN salary moved from 200k to 5m in less than 15years, I wouldn't bank on it when deciding my future.

claremont:
The quality of life a N5000,000/month can give you in Nigeria is incomparable to what a measly £30,000/year nursing starting salary can give in the UK. A family in which one earner earns that much in Nigeria can build and/or rent a mansion. A nurse starting salary would struggle to rent a decent flat, let alone qualify for a mortgage. If we even factor in future salary increment in the UK to justify our reasoning, we should also then consider that she would also get an increment in the 5M salary in Nigeria at some point. IF the future of the children is the reason for the move, a few months of savings can allow her sponsor the kids to study in the UK until they can function independently.

If I were in her shoes, I will take the Nigeria job offer. Work and save aggressively for a few years. Visit the UK and spend time understanding the way the system works here for nurses. Do some research into America as well. If I earned that much in Nigeria before I came to the UK in 2009, I wouldn't have made the decision to come.

1. What is your definition of a good quality of life? N500.00 is about £230, so what quality of life will that afford you in a county where you have unrealisable power supply, unmotorable roads, no free health care, no security, abysmal educational system and the govt that is desperately corrupt

2 . She can't afford that even with 2yrs savings while living in Nigeria., how much do you think she needs to save to be able to pay her kids school fees here, rent, bills, feeding, accommodation and someone who will look after them considering their ages and still pay her rent and bills in Nigeria?

The only reason many of us moved out of Nigeria was because we are looking for a better future right? So after living abroad for 3,4,5 yrs what stops you from moving back to Nigeria since Nigeria is a better choice? Please don't tell me that you are waiting to get a job that pays 5M, or you want to get your citizenship here first, no you don't need it, all you need is your Nigerian passport, work experiences and education you have acquired here.

How many times here have you bribed the police to do their job? How many times here have paid for NHS treatment first before receiving treatment even as a visitor ? Yes we all pay NL and taxes but workers in Nigeria pay taxes as well but get nothing out of it.

Moving abroad is not just about money, its about peace of mind, security and a better future.

080bjaked:
It's interesting how this argument has "evolved" sha.
I recalled it used to be "200k job in NG or relocating to Canada" around 2013 or so
later it became, "if I earn 500k in NG, I have no business relocating"
then "Bank Mgrs relocating are fools" blah blah
then the benchmark moved to 1m, 2m......now 5m

I'm not advising anyone please (the question seems hypothetical to me at best) but if in a bid to keep the trend logical, the NGN salary moved from 200k to 5m in less than 15years, I wouldn't bank on it when deciding my future.

I think that figure is made-up but i'm not thinking heavily on that to make my points.

Please how can one verify if their cos is real/fake.

Asking for a friend.

lavida001:
Where is komburu 😂😂

Hopefully in the UK, enjoying his dream life😁

justwise:
1. What is your definition of a good quality of life? N500.00 is about £230, so what quality of life will that afford you in a county where you have unrealisable power supply, unmotorable roads, no free health care, no security, abysmal educational system and the govt that is desperately corrupt

2 . She can't afford that even with 2yrs savings while living in Nigeria., how much do you think she needs to save to be able to pay her kids school fees here, rent, bills, feeding, accommodation and someone who will look after them considering their ages and still pay her rent and bills in Nigeria?

The only reason many of us moved out of Nigeria was because we are looking for a better future right? So after living abroad for 3,4,5 yrs what stops you from moving back to Nigeria since Nigeria is a better choice? Please don't tell me that you are waiting to get a job that pays 5M, or you want to get your citizenship here first, no you don't need it, all you need is your Nigerian passport, work experiences and education you have acquired here.

How many times here have you bribed the police to do their job? How many times here have paid for NHS treatment first before receiving treatment even as a visitor ? Yes we all pay NL and taxes but workers in Nigeria pay taxes as well but get nothing out of it.

Moving abroad is not just about money, its about peace of mind, security and a better future.

Well said....

If I get that offer, I will stay in Nigeria.

justwise:
I will take the NHS job offer, 5m is a lot of money yes but Nigeria has no value system and the economy is very unstable .

Take this as a five years project and the family will be settled, someone has to do night shift to make this work.

The possibility of losing her pin is there.
Blacks lose pin cos of flimsy reasons.
I know so many that have lost theirs.

justwise:
I will take the NHS job offer, 5m is a lot of money yes but Nigeria has no value system and the economy is very unstable .

Take this as a five years project and the family will be settled, someone has to do night shift to make this work.

A nurse in an oil company has loads of untapped possibilities outside Nigeria courtesy of the oil company. She is better of with the oil company.

How much is nhs offering her?
Depending on the department, she might not start off well. And cos it's a contract, she will stay in that department for 5 yrs b4 thinking of changing.
Also,nhs always look for nurses that will work in units where home nurses run away from cos of pin problems and court cases. As a jjc, she don't know the system and the bottlenecks therein. Most start off and end up with private companies or agencies. E get why.
Unless there is no offer like what she had, she can go for nhs.
Working in oil company, she also has access to free medicals for all her house members invluding servants as long as they are registered under her and free schools for her kids. The kids can school anywhere in the world courtesy of the help and connections of the oil company for tertiary education. She wanna relocate her family,she will be helped from buying house to settling down for her family
She want to work in Canada or wherever tomorrow, it's easy. And she is sure of promotion.
You can be in band 5 for10 yrs receiving peanuts.
Nigeria is bad yet loads of people are still surviving there.

I can see that many people here do not actually know what one gains while working with major oil companies in Nigeria.

giselle237:
You also haven't completely escaped the insecurity and threat of kidnapping as long as your parents and siblings are living there. It’s not just the drivers of ‘nice cars’ who are unsafe; everyone is at risk.
So, why is this such a highlight for her and her 5 million?
As I mentioned before, I strongly encourage her to take the £2,000 job. I’m also very open to look into finding a replacement for her position—she could earn 1.5-2 million every month with that option.
Signing out.

A career working with council earns more than that. If I should break it down, she is going to end up in those anyhow units. 2k for a month as a nurse. That's a joke.
In fact, a career that did few overtime earn what some band 6 nurses earn in nhs especially those working with the council.

Nurses are fleeing cos pay is very low. Drs is even worst.

descarado:
The possibility of losing her pin is there.
Blacks lose pin cos of flimsy reasons.
I know so many that have lost theirs.

Example of one of those flimsy reasons please

descarado:
A nurse in an oil company has loads of untapped possibilities outside Nigeria courtesy of the oil company. She is better of with the oil company.

How much is nhs offering her?
Depending on the department, she might not start off well. And cos it's a contract, she will stay in that department for 5 yrs b4 thinking of changing.
Also,nhs always look for nurses that will work in units where home nurses run away from cos of pin problems and court cases. As a jjc, she don't know the system and the bottlenecks therein. Most start off and end up with private companies or agencies. E get why.
Unless there is no offer like what she had, she can go for nhs.
Working in oil company, she also has access to free medicals for all her house members invluding servants as long as they are registered under her and free schools for her kids. The kids can school anywhere in the world courtesy of the help and connections of the oil company for tertiary education. She wanna relocate her family,she will be helped from buying house to settling down for her family
She want to work in Canada or wherever tomorrow, it's easy. And she is sure of promotion.
You can be in band 5 for10 yrs receiving peanuts.
Nigeria is bad yet loads of people are still surviving there.

I can see that many people here do not actually know what one gains while working with major oil companies in Nigeria.

I have two family members working in oil and gas in Nigerian for more than 20yrs now, their families are all abroad but they paid out of pocket for that, yes they are doing well with houses and investments in Nigeria but relocating their families abroad was a personal project, so i don't know where you are getting all these benefits available to oil and gas workers and their families

justwise:
1. What is your definition of a good quality of life? N500.00 is about £230, so what quality of life will that afford you in a county where you have unrealisable power supply, unmotorable roads, no free health care, no security, abysmal educational system and the govt that is desperately corrupt

2 . She can't afford that even with 2yrs savings while living in Nigeria., how much do you think she needs to save to be able to pay her kids school fees here, rent, bills, feeding, accommodation and someone who will look after them considering their ages and still pay her rent and bills in Nigeria?

The only reason many of us moved out of Nigeria was because we are looking for a better future right? So after living abroad for 3,4,5 yrs what stops you from moving back to Nigeria since Nigeria is a better choice? Please don't tell me that you are waiting to get a job that pays 5M, or you want to get your citizenship here first, no you don't need it, all you need is your Nigerian passport, work experiences and education you have acquired here.

How many times here have you bribed the police to do their job? How many times here have paid for NHS treatment first before receiving treatment even as a visitor ? Yes we all pay NL and taxes but workers in Nigeria pay taxes as well but get nothing out of it.

Moving abroad is not just about money, it’s about peace of mind, security and a better future.

I think the argument is that N5,000,000 when converted to GBP is about £2,300 per month which would likely be her net income on the NHS job. However she would have more disposable income with the N5m in Nigeria than in UK so could afford a reasonably good quality of life which could be comparable to living in the UK.

Having said that, money shouldn’t be the only consideration for such a move. Peace of mind, good work/life balance, a working system, access to good education and a good support system/family network are all important factors to be considered before making the final decision. One thing to bear in mind is that your kids are young and will need after school care so you will need to factor in childcare costs, alternately hubby’s career may be sacrificed for the common good of the family,

OP, both options have their pros and cons. Your family unit needs to think about this carefully before making a choice. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Please what is the deposit percentage rate of getting a mortgage after I have lived for 3years in the UK?

Krys1:
Please what is the deposit percentage rate of getting a mortgage after I have lived for 3years in the UK?

You should be able to get a 10% mortgage easily assuming other things are not problematic e.g. affordbility, credit history, length of time left on your visa etc.

Of course, I’m aware of this and I’m tired of discussing it. When there are no jobs for hundreds of GPs with CCT who are fleeing to Canada, I then wonder how the goal post is now £2000 single/lone salary against 5 million naira in Nigeria for a woman…
I’ve moved on from that conversation. I honestly don’t want to be tagged anymore… (if I didn’t respond to my other tags, pls forgive me- just genuinely tired of the fabricated story as it was said)
Now, I want her to come so I can negotiate the job she plans to leave for someone else(if it is a real job). Hopefully she comes into my DM soon. Cheers

descarado:
A career working with council earns more than that. If I should break it down, she is going to end up in those anyhow units. 2k for a month as a nurse. That's a joke.
In fact, a career that did few overtime earn what some band 6 nurses earn in nhs especially those working with the council.

Nurses are fleeing cos pay is very low. Drs is even worst.

justwise:
Example of one of those flimsy reasons please

I am not gonna share the website you will get that from nor tell you more than I said. Internet is not anonymous and this is against my job ethics.

But I talk as an insider.



As per your family working for oil company for the past 20yrs. Oil company or oil servicing company get levels. A driver working with an oil company don't get the same benefits as a health worker or an engineer. Even engineers get levels.
But as a health worker, all I said applied to her.

Good evening to you all.

I need your guidance please oooh

I just concluded my study and my graduation is in January 2025. I am planning on applying a visit visa for my younger sister to enable her attend my graduation party.

She finished her undergraduate degree in the year 2022 and also pass out Nysc July 2023. She’s doing nothing at the moment but myself and my brothers do send her stipend from time to time.

I would like to know what sort of documents do I need to show from my end and from her end in order to apply for visa for her she is 25yrs old.

Please help me out . Thank you so much

descarado:
I am not gonna share the website you will get that from nor tell you more than I said. Internet is not anonymous and this is against my job ethics.

But I talk as an insider.



As per your family working for oil company for the past 20yrs. Oil company or oil servicing company get levels. A driver working with an oil company don't get the same benefits as a health worker or an engineer. Even engineers get levels.
But as a health worker, all I said applied to her.

There is no need for any of that, just tell me one of those flimsy excuses you talked about, why bring it into the conversation if you are not willing to back it up?

Joyglo:
Good evening to you all.

I need your guidance please oooh

I just concluded my study and my graduation is in January 2025. I am planning on applying a visit visa for my younger sister to enable her attend my graduation party.

She finished her undergraduate degree in the year 2022 and also pass out Nysc July 2023. She’s doing nothing at the moment but myself and my brothers do send her stipend from time to time.

I would like to know what sort of documents do I need to show from my end and from her end in order to apply for visa for her she is 25yrs old.

Please help me out . Thank you so much

That will be a tall order as she got nothing to bring her back to Nigeria if given a visa considering her age.

As she is not working or doing business it will be difficult for her to provide any document

[quote author=Goodenoch post=132074758]You should be able to get a 10% mortgage easily assuming other things are not problematic e.g. affordbility, credit history, length of time left on your visa etc.

What is the chance of someone left with about 14 months or a year getting mortgage before the renewal of his visa?

lavida001:
You forgot to add the part where she and her family can be kidnapped for living in affluence or driving a nice car. Hanty uk is better than that hell home for now.

This is the biggest reason not to take that 5M job. My former colleagues can't even flex like "proper bankers" anymore. The risk is too high. If you drive two cars now, you're a big target even in places like Ibadan. It's scary.

080bjaked:
It's interesting how this argument has "evolved" sha.
I recalled it used to be "200k job in NG or relocating to Canada" around 2013 or so
later it became, "if I earn 500k in NG, I have no business relocating"
then "Bank Mgrs relocating are fools" blah blah
then the benchmark moved to 1m, 2m......now 5m

I'm not advising anyone please (the question seems hypothetical to me at best) but if in a bid to keep the trend logical, the NGN salary moved from 200k to 5m in less than 15years, I wouldn't bank on it when deciding my future.

Excellent comment. The goalposts keep moving! Everybody should count their teeth with their tongue. Case closed.

ehizario2012:
This is the biggest reason not to take that 5M job. My former colleagues can't even flex like "proper bankers" anymore. The risk is too high. If you drive two cars now, you're a big target even in places like Ibadan. It's scary.

The medical students from Benue university were driving big cars?
The 61 passengers on the Abuja-Kaduna train were ‘flexing’ on the train?
The 160 people taken from a village in Niger state in one sitting were earning 5 million naira?
Your family all live in the UK? - not one walks the streets of Nigeria? Pray tell. Please who is NOT at risk?…. I do not thrive by scaremongering when the statistics and the numbers prove beyond reasonable doubts that anyone could be a victim of the kidnapping and insecurity going on there. Whether she collects the job or not, she is at risk. Don’t press the thriving insecurity on the job- All die na die.

giselle237:
The medical students from Benue university were driving big cars?
The 61 passengers on the Abuja-Kaduna train were ‘flexing’ on the train?
The 160 people taken from a village in Niger state in one sitting were earning 5 million naira?
Your family all live in the UK? - not one walks the streets of Nigeria? Pray tell. Please who is NOT at risk?…. I do not thrive by scaremongering when the statistics and the numbers prove beyond reasonable doubts that anyone could be a victim of the kidnapping and insecurity going on there. Whether she collects the job or not, she is at risk. Don’t press the thriving insecurity on the job- All die na die.

Why haven't you comeback to Nigeria to stay sir/ma😐😐

giselle237:
You just dey find attention because this uncerebral question has been answered x 4.
Here we go again—I earn way more.
My household of two brings in tens of multiples of that amount monthly, and it would be foolish, moronic and ignorant to disclose each person's income online, like one looking for a Nairaland medal.
As for me, individually—not my household—I've stated with reasons before that 10 million naira would be the minimum in 2024.
What is wrong with a woman in Nigeria, living in Nigeria, and earning 5 million naira every month and taking this amount for the next 1-2 years? Her husband contributes as well, but that does not diminish her status as a woman. She would live a very comfortable life in Nigeria, save up for better, especially compared to the £1900 that you keep bringing up in my mentions.
(You & others trying to taunt would help the nurse better by contributing to her questions and/or leaving my mentions sir/ma)

Okay😐😐

080bjaked:
It's interesting how this argument has "evolved" sha.
I recalled it used to be "200k job in NG or relocating to Canada" around 2013 or so
later it became, "if I earn 500k in NG, I have no business relocating"
then "Bank Mgrs relocating are fools" blah blah
then the benchmark moved to 1m, 2m......now 5m

I'm not advising anyone please (the question seems hypothetical to me at best) but if in a bid to keep the trend logical, the NGN salary moved from 200k to 5m in less than 15years, I wouldn't bank on it when deciding my future.

Valid point. The best part is that this was raised here rather than general NL.
The last decade has been economically devastating for many Nigerians mainly fuelled by collapse of the currency. I however believe we are approaching a pivotal point in our nation and with our size and significance, we mainly need to get a few critical bits right to reposition ourselves and let that momentum do the rest. There are examples of nations that have gone from where we are to developed within a generation and that presented tremendous amount of wealth generating opportunities and create value fulfillingly. If this happens, very few would be better suited than ourselves.

Working in the NHS on that pay with a family to support can be really stressful. What's also not factored in is that this is a person in an elevated position back home moving to a band 5 role in the UK which puts one at the forefront of a well entitled populace.
Despite varied opinions, the consensus seems to be that in the current future her quality of life would be much higher in Nigeria but longterm, if the decline back home continues and also considering the socual safety nets in the UK, emigrating should pay. Yes there is the mention of infrastructure, security, health e.t.c which are all valid but let's also remember that when compared to western nations, relatively few Nigerians have emigrated- and overwhelming majority of Nigerians have never left Nigeria.

A while back I met an Indian surgeon who has been here for several years and regretted moving over. He said most of his mates were earning much better with good QOL back home. Unfortunately, he was stuck. A number of such have moved back to India. If their economy maintains its current growth trajectory, it's only a matter of time before an increasing number of established ones return and emigration would be for the low-middle class, adventurous or super wealthy. Aside dring covid, I have visited Nigeria every year since I left. I still know a few Nigerian medics looking to return with some in the process of buying or building facilities. After securing some financial security, certain life aspirations (manytimes non-monetary) begin to matter more.

giselle237:
The medical students from Benue university were driving big cars?
The 61 passengers on the Abuja-Kaduna train were ‘flexing’ on the train?
The 160 people taken from a village in Niger state in one sitting were earning 5 million naira?
Your family all live in the UK? - not one walks the streets of Nigeria? Pray tell. Please who is NOT at risk?…. I do not thrive by scaremongering when the statistics and the numbers prove beyond reasonable doubts that anyone could be a victim of the kidnapping and insecurity going on there. Whether she collects the job or not, she is at risk. Don’t press the thriving insecurity on the job- All die na die.

This only reinforced my point.