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FxMasterz:
The apostles wrote to let them know that circumcision is not necessarily for salvation. They were talking about the things that they needed to do to be saved which tithing is not among. Tithing is not salvific. It is commanded as an expression of love for God, not as a necessity for salvation.

Ọmọ you were insisting on God's law nah so don't try to play smart law is law.

Jesus , the Apostles and Holy Spirit has spoken there is no tithing in the arrangement within the Christian congregation!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you were insisting on God's law nah so don't try to play smart law is law.

Jesus , the Apostles and Holy Spirit has spoken there is no tithing in the arrangement within the Christian congregation!

I've not said anything different from what I've been saying.

Acts 15 was a talk about things needed for salvation. Tithe is not one of those things needed for salvation.

FxMasterz:
I've not said anything different from what I've been saying. Acts 15 was a talk about things needed for salvation. Tithe is not one of those things needed for salvation.

Now you're talking!

Christianity is about salvation that's why most irrelevant laws has nothing to do with Christianity! Act 15:28-29

MaxInDHouse:
Widows, orphans and stranded travelers in the land of Israel were to be cared for so it has everything to do with those in charge of affairs in Israel back then!

You can't compare the nation of Israel and other nations. The entire nation of Israel is in covenant with God.

Ken4Christ:
You can't compare the nation of Israel and other nations. The entire nation of Israel is in covenant with God.

So the LAW COVENANT doesn't concern other nations except Christianity that has to do with salvation of all souls, God Himself never promised the Israelites salvation through the law covenant rather what they were promised is the the law covenant will serve as a fence between them and other nations {Exodus19:5} until the Christ comes to establish the covenant that will bring salvation! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're talking!

Christianity is about salvation that's why most irrelevant laws has nothing to do with Christianity! Act 15:28-29

Salvation and service. That's Christianity.

Tithing has nothing to do with salvation, but it has its own rewards. Preaching the gospel has nothing to do with salvation (God won't cast anyone to hell for not preaching) but it has its own rewards. We're commanded to tithe. We're commanded to preach. We're commanded to give. We're commanded to study. All these are commandments. Our salvation does not depend on them but they have their own rewards for doing them.

FxMasterz:
Salvation and service. That's Christianity.

Tithing has nothing to do with salvation, but it has its own rewards. Preaching the gospel has nothing to do with salvation (God won't cast anyone to hell for not preaching) but it has its own rewards. We're commanded to tithe. We're commanded to preach. We're commanded to give. We're commanded to study. All these are commandments. Our salvation does not depend on them but they have their own rewards for doing them.

The highlighted is a lie!
Jesus COMMANDED all his disciples:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:19-20

Whoever failed to participate in this work is directly disobeying God's only begotten Son whom we must OBEY to gain salvation. Philippians 2:10
We must all do the evangelizing work and fully accomplish our ministry as disciples of Christ Jesus {2Timothy 4:1-2} that is what it takes be be a TRUE BELIEVER in Christ Jesus for our salvation {John 3:16} Paul told Timothy "by preaching you will save both yourself and those who listened to you" 1Timothy 4:16 compare to Ezekiel 3:17-19

Ọmọ don't be deceived o whoever fails to preach and teach according to the command from God's son will perish! Luke 18:18-23

Though it's irritating arguing with people who don't know what Christianity is all about but at times i just can't keep quiet when you people talk rubbish all in the name of Christ Jesus.

Imagine someone who said Jehovah's Witnesses are not preaching the Gospel:

https://www.nairaland.com/8216834/jehovah-witness-dont-preach-gospel

But here he is arguing over tithing that has no connection with the Gospel.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a lie!
Jesus COMMANDED all his disciples:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:19-20

Whoever failed to participate in this work is directly disobeying God's only begotten Son whom we must OBEY to gain salvation. Philippians 2:10
We must all do the evangelizing work and fully accomplish our ministry as disciples of Christ Jesus {2Timothy 4:1-2} that is what it takes be be a TRUE BELIEVER in Christ Jesus for our salvation {John 3:16} Paul told Timothy "by preaching you will save both yourself and those who listened to you" 1Timothy 4:16 compare to Ezekiel 3:17-19

Ọmọ don't be deceived o whoever fails to preach and teach according to the command from God's son will perish! Luke 18:18-23

Tell.me where Jesus or any part of Scripture says anyone who does not preach the gospel would go to hell or perish.

FxMasterz:
Tell.me where Jesus or any part of Scripture says anyone who does not preach the gospel would go to hell or perish.

This is a proof that you don't even check verses i often cited well i can understand because you feel you are too big to learn from Jehovah's Witnesses.
So it's time to LEARN!

“Son of man, I have appointed you as a watchman to the house of Israel; and when you hear a word from my mouth, you must warn them from me. When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ but you do not warn him, and you fail to speak in order to warn the wicked one to turn from his wicked course so that he may stay alive, he will die for his error because he is wicked, but I will ask his blood back from you. But if you warn someone wicked and he does not turn back from his wickedness and from his wicked course, he will die for his error, but you will certainly save your own life" Ezekiel 3:17-19

God told Ezekiel that he should PREACH what he heard from God to the Israelites, those who listened and acted on what they heard will be saved but if Ezekiel failed to preach those people will perish but their blood God will ask from Ezekiel.

In harmony with what God told Ezekiel Apostle Paul told Timothy:

"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you." 1Timothy 4:16

Timothy must preach and teach the Gospel to save himself and those who listened to him.

WHY?

Because the only service that makes us disciples of Christ Jesus is the WORK he assigned to us:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:19-20

Jesus will deny whoever refuses to do this work because it's only those doing it that Jesus will be with not those shouting his name:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness" Matthew 7:21-23

This is in harmony with God's will according to Ezekiel 3:17-19 which i quoted above whoever hears the Gospel but fails to tell others is not doing God's will! Revelations 22:17

You can see that you don't even know anything about the way to salvation {Isaiah 35:8} yet you want to condemn God's people who are zealously doing God's will!

MaxInDHouse:
This is a proof that you don't even check verses i often cited well i can understand because you feel you are too big to learn from Jehovah's Witnesses.
So it's time to LEARN!

“Son of man, I have appointed you as a watchman to the house of Israel; and when you hear a word from my mouth, you must warn them from me. When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ but you do not warn him, and you fail to speak in order to warn the wicked one to turn from his wicked course so that he may stay alive, he will die for his error because he is wicked, but I will ask his blood back from you. But if you warn someone wicked and he does not turn back from his wickedness and from his wicked course, he will die for his error, but you will certainly save your own life" Ezekiel 3:17-19

God told Ezekiel that he should PREACH what he heard from God to the Israelites, those who listened and acted on what they heard will be saved but if Ezekiel failed to preach those people will perish but their blood God will ask from Ezekiel.

In harmony with what God told Ezekiel Apostle Paul told Timothy:

"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you." 1Timothy 4:16

Timothy must preach and teach the Gospel to save himself and those who listened to him.

WHY?

Because the only service that makes us disciples of Christ Jesus is the WORK he assigned to us:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:19-20

Jesus will deny whoever refuses to do this work because it's only those doing it that Jesus will be with not those shouting his name:

“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness" Matthew 7:21-23

This is in harmony with God's will according to Ezekiel 3:17-19 which i quoted above whoever hears the Gospel but fails to tell others is not doing God's will! Revelations 22:17

You can see that you don't even know anything about the way to salvation {Isaiah 35:8} yet you want to condemn God's people who are zealously doing God's will!

This is absolutely turning the Scriptures upside down. I asked you to show me scriptures where it is said a man would perish for not preaching the gospel, you're posting something else.

1. Ezekiel was sent on an errand to proclaim God's Word to the people of Israel. A specific assignment given to him to execute. God said if he fails to warn a sinner and the sinner perishes because he was not warned, then the sinner's blood would be on Ezekiel's head. This scripture does not say that Ezekiel would perish for not preaching to the Israelites because:

Assuming the sinner self-repented and did not perish, Ezekiel won't be punished for not preaching to the self-repented sinner. No blood would be upon his head since nobody perished. The preaching itself is not what guarantees salvation for Ezekiel. The lack of preaching does not guarantee condemnation for Ezekiel in the same vein. Please read the Bible with understanding. Are you now saying all the Israelites who never preached to anyone would perish because of this Ezekiel's statement? The assignment was for Ezekiel alone. If God tells me that I would perish for not preaching to Maxindhouse, that's a personal message for me. That does not mean that everyone who does not preach to Maxindhouse would perish. You brought a clearly individualistic message to buttress a point that boarders on all Christians without considering the imbalance it has to what we're discussing.

Ezekiel would only perish on the condition that the person he was supposed to warn had perished for his failure to warn the person. Suppose the individual never perished, Ezekiel would not perish even though he didn't warn the person. However, God will still punish him for his disobedience as regards that personal assignment. Every disobedience will be judged.

Now, Timothy was a Bishop over a congregation. He had a duty to preach to the congregation. Paul advices him to preach to that congregation so as to save himself and the congregation. Why? This is because the Word of God is a two edged sword. As you preach to others to be saved, you're also preaching the same message to yourself. You continue to bring yourself into constant alignment with what the Holy Ghost has preached through you. God uses imperfect humans to convey His message. As we preach, we are also warned, chastised, taught, reproved and upbraided by our own messages. There'll be times God would make you see your own personal failings as you preach to others. Your message would speak to your own sins and weaknesses as well. You'll go on your knees in repentance after being chastised by your own message. You then "save yourself and them that hear thee." This is the reality for all preachers who have been called of God to teach the Word to the people of their generation. Paul never told Timothy that he'll perish for not preaching.

But, to the generality of Christians, we are encouraged to preach the gospel to others. We are promised crowns and rewards for every soul we win. You would miss out of your rewards only, if you fail to preach. There's no Scripture that says you'll be cast to hell or eternally condemned for preaching to no one.

If preaching was a requirement for salvation, it means that people who give their lives to Christ on their deathbeds would still not make heaven. The requirements for salvation is simple:

"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Anything contrary to the above Scripture is heresy.

Salvation is not by works. It's by grace. You can't save yourself, neither can you save any other man.

A man can even preach and still perish.

Ken4Christ:
Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: THESE OUGHT YE TO HAVE DONE, and not to leave the other undone

Read the concluding part of Jesus statement. So, he said, keep collecting tithe but don't neglect the other responsibilities.

Yes, it's true most churches collect tithe and neglect the poor in their midst. This is one area I have been advocating for the church to look into.

However, under the Old Testament, the good gesture of helping the widows, orphans etc from the tithe was done once in three years. This still proves that it wasn't the primary reason for tithe. Tithe is primarily for the welfare of the Levites who are full time workers in the house of God.

This brings another issue. Are workers in today’s churches adequately cared for. The answer is no. The G O enjoys the junk of the proceeds from tithe. But we will leave that to God to judge.

Where did God request for monetary tithes from gentile believers?

Why don’t you guys always preach eating of tithes is scriptural? Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29

FxMasterz:
Ezekiel was sent on an errand to proclaim God's Word to the people of Israel.

Jesus sent his disciples to go out and preach the Kingdom of God to people of all nations whoever turns a deaf ear to their message is doomed:

"Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city" Matthew 10:14-15

Is this service optional?

Paul said:

"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you" 1Timothy 4:16

Whoever fails to do this work is doomed like Ezekiel who must preach and teach to save both himself and those who listened to him! Ezekiel 3:17-19

Ọmọ long story no fit cover this one that's what disqualified all your churches who aren't making disciples for Christ Jesus real disciples of Christ must go out to preach and make more disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus sent his disciples to go out and preach the Kingdom of God to people of all nations whoever turns a deaf ear to their message is doomed:

Yes, whoever does not heed the salvation message is doomed. Preaching the gospel however is not a prerequisite for salvation.

"Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah on Judgment Day than for that city" Matthew 10:14-15

This is the Truth of Scripture. Anyone who doesn't heed is doomed. Now tell us where Jesus says anyone who doesn't preach is doomed.

Is this service optional?

Paul said:

"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you" 1Timothy 4:16

Whoever fails to do this work is doomed like Ezekiel who must preach and teach to save both himself and those who listened to him! Ezekiel 3:17-19

This is a lie. You'll need to counter what I said in my counter previously rather than trying to repeat yourself.

Ezekiel is not doomed for not preaching. He is only doomed if the person he refuses to preach to perishes. Prove me wrong.

Ọmọ long story no fit cover this one that's what disqualified all your churches who aren't making disciples for Christ Jesus real disciples of Christ must go out to preach and make more disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

But it's clear that your organization does not even tell people about Christ. You guys only tell people about your organization. Your organization doesn't even point people to Christ.

All virgin nations where the Gospel have reached were reached by the Churches. Africa, the middle East, Europe and all places where civilizations have never gone have missionaries working to bring people to Christ. Christians are in dangerous Islamic countries preaching the gospel. Your organization only goes to preach after the gospel has already broken anti-christian barriers through the efforts of Christians who have gone in jeopardy of their lives to preach the gospel to those people. Many missionaries lost their lives to entrench the good news in those dark places. You guys only go lure away gullible souls to your organization in places where the Gospel have already been preached.

Christians are making disciples everyday. We lay down our lives preaching even in dangerous places. This will be greatly rewarded by the Master but it is not a prerequisite for salvation.

FxMasterz:
Ezekiel is not doomed for not preaching.

What ASSIGNMENT makes a group of worshipers "CHRISTIANS"?

Ọmọ it's the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to all his disciples whoever fails to do it simply doesn't believe in Jesus as King who has authority over his soul!

As for Ezekiel go and present what God told this prophet in the Bible book of Ezekiel 3:17-19 to anyone out there and ask them if Ezekiel is not doomed failure to PREACH!

Ken4Christ:
Anti Tithers often use the excuse that there is no where we are commanded to pay tithe in the New Testament. But they still collect offerings. Can they please give me at least two references where we are commanded to give offerings in the New Testament. Otherwise, they should stop collecting offerings also.

The giving that is emphasized is the New Testament is giving to the poor and supporting ministers of the gospel.

Please, prove me wrong.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

MaxInDHouse:
What ASSIGNMENT makes a group of worshipers "CHRISTIANS"?

Ọmọ it's the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to all his disciples whoever fails to do it simply doesn't believe in Jesus as King who has authority over his soul!

As for Ezekiel go and present what God told this prophet in the Bible book of Ezekiel 3:17-19 to anyone out there and ask them if Ezekiel is not doomed failure to PREACH!

I have asked you to show me a scripture that says preaching is a prerequisite for salvation.

Show me a scripture that says a Christian is doomed for not preaching the gospel.

FxMasterz:
I have asked you to show me a scripture that says preaching is a prerequisite for salvation.
Show me a scripture that says a Christian is doomed for not preaching the gospel.

You hate the truth nah!

Paul said as a Christian:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!" 1 Corinthians 9:16
Which is in harmony with Ezekiel 3:18

But since you're desperate to condemn Christ and his assignment you will continue asking the same question when there is nothing that makes anyone Christian without the preaching and teaching WORK that Jesus assigned to his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Can anyone be a Christian without obeying this command?
Do you think anyone ignoring this command could be saved?

MaxInDHouse:
You hate the truth nah!

Paul said as a Christian:

"Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news!" 1 Corinthians 9:16
Which is in harmony with Ezekiel 3:18

But since you're desperate to condemn Christ and his assignment you will continue asking the same question when there is nothing that makes anyone Christian without the preaching and teaching WORK that Jesus assigned to his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Can anyone be a Christian without obeying this command?
Do you think anyone ignoring this command could be saved?

My dear, Paul was a commissioned preacher that's why he 'Necessity is laid upon 'ME'. Woe is 'Me'.

He didn't say woe is all believers. Neither did he tell the recipients of his letter 'Woe is you if you do not preach the gospel."

Just like Ezekiel, Paul was commissioned to preach as all who are called and given that particular assignment to preach. That's his heavenly commission as an apostle.

Preaching is not a prerequisite for salvation. Please show me scriptures that says you are doomed if you don't preach the gospel.

FxMasterz:
My dear, Paul was a commissioned preacher that's why he 'Necessity is laid upon 'ME'. Woe is 'Me'.
He didn't say woe is all believers. Neither did he tell the recipients of his letter 'Woe is you if you do not preach the gospel."
Just like Ezekiel, Paul was commissioned to preach as all who are called and given that particular assignment to preach. That's his heavenly commission as an apostle.
Preaching is not a prerequisite for salvation. Please show me scriptures that says you are doomed if you don't preach the gospel.

Now it's obvious you hate the truth!

Ezekiel is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him, Paul is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him.

Jesus Christ commanded all his disciples to go and PREACH and whoever ignores that command is doomed for not bowing to the order from God's Son.

Yet you still want to argue.

Ọmọ go out there and do whatever you like jàre forget about Christianity no be mọimọi it's assigned duty given to all disciples of Jesus that's what makes them Christians! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious you hate the truth!

Ezekiel is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him, Paul is doomed if he didn't preach what God commanded him.

Jesus Christ commanded all his disciples to go and PREACH and whoever ignores that command is doomed for not bowing to the order from God's Son.

Yet you still want to argue.

Ọmọ go out there and do whatever you like jàre forget about Christianity no be mọimọi it's assigned duty given to all disciples of Jesus that's what makes them Christians! Act 1:8

If you're called to preach, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to sing, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to pray, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to be a helper, you have a case to answer if you disobey.

Paul didn't say he was doomed if he didn't preach. Don't say what Paul never said. God didn't say Ezekiel would be doomed if he didn't warn. He'll only be doomed if the sinner he was supposed to warn perished.

Preaching is not a prerequisite for salvation. Not a requirement at all.

Up till now you could not produce any scripture that says you'll perish if you refuse to preach?

FxMasterz:
If you're called to preach, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to sing, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to pray, you have a case to answer if you disobey. If you're called to be a helper, you have a case to answer if you disobey.

So who called you to sing for God?
Did Jesus asked you to sing for God?

Come on you're talking to a disciple not those churchgoers you can deceive with lies.

What Jesus (God's only begotten son) commanded all his disciples is to go out there and preach the Good News of God's Kingdom.

MaxInDHouse:
So who called you to sing for God?
Did Jesus asked you to sing for God?

Come on you're talking to a disciple not those churchgoers you can deceive with lies.

What Jesus (God's only begotten son) commanded all his disciples is to go out there and preach the Good News of God's Kingdom.

Everyone has his own calling in the Kingdom.
Everyone should preach but not everyone is an Evangelist. Everyone should teach but not everyone is a Pastor. Everyone should prophesy but not everyone is a prophet. Everyone should build churches but not everyone is an apostle.

Paul's statement about the woe is because of his calling as an apostle which he must not disobey. We are all called to preach, sing, pray and help fellow believers as well as none believers. All have their rewards, they're not the prerequisites for salvation.

oranget:
Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Please, what Is the message you are trying to convey?

AntiChristian:
This tithing and offering matter no fit end!

Remove money from the church and it dies!

OkCornel:
Where did God request for monetary tithes from gentile believers?

Why don’t you guys always preach eating of tithes is scriptural? Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29

What Jesus instructed us to give puts a much higher demand than tithe. He demands us to give 100%. And Jesus is the mind of God. So, why would God frown at 10% when he actually demands we give 100% in the New Testament.

What we should be talking about is not tithing but the administration of it. Churches should plan a budget from it to support widows, orphans, fatherless and the poor brethren from time to time.

Ken4Christ:
What Jesus instructed us to give puts a much higher demand than tithe. He demands us to give 100%. And Jesus is the mind of God. So, why would God frown at 10% when he actually demands we give 100% in the New Testament.

What we should be talking about is not tithing but the administration of it. Churches should plan a budget from it to support widows, orphans, fatherless and the poor brethren from time to time.

No, we must discuss tithes. Pastors keep preaching that Christians should tithe.

So therefore;

1. Where did God request for money as tithes?
2. Why aren’t Pastors preaching that it’s scriptural for tithers to eat their tithe in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?
3. Where did God request tithes from gentile believers? Especially after how the crises in the early church was resolved in Acts 15.


When y’all ready to speak the truth and stop the manipulation let us know.

FxMasterz:
Everyone has his own calling in the Kingdom.
Everyone should preach but not everyone is an Evangelist. Everyone should teach but not everyone is a Pastor. Everyone should prophesy but not everyone is a prophet. Everyone should build churches but not everyone is an apostle.

Can you back this up with the scriptures?

I am saying it again and again:

All disciples of Christ Jesus must preach whoever refuses to preach is doomed because that's the COMMAND we received from our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! Matthew 28:19-20

So all disciples of Christ Jesus must do the work of an evangelist.

Apostles doesn't mean people building churches rather they are direct representatives of Christ Jesus heading his congregation and passing information to us on how to go about the assignment Jesus gave us.

That's why we must RECOGNIZE them unlike you people who just feel when someone claims he is an Apostle but contradicting others claiming they are also Apostles.

The Apostles of Christ must speak with one voice so as not to cause a division in the body of Christ.

That's why we believe that only one channel is used by Jesus today and it's that channel that is making REAL DISCIPLES who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Can you back this up with the scriptures?

I am saying it again and again:

All disciples of Christ Jesus must preach whoever refuses to preach is doomed because that's the COMMAND we received from our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus! Matthew 28:19-20

So all disciples of Christ Jesus must do the work of an evangelist.

Apostles doesn't mean people building churches rather they are direct representatives of Christ Jesus heading his congregation and passing information to us on how to go about the assignment Jesus gave us.

That's why we must RECOGNIZE them unlike you people who just feel when someone claims he is an Apostle but contradicting others claiming they are also Apostles.

The Apostles of Christ must speak with one voice so as not to cause a division in the body of Christ.

That's why we believe that only one channel is used by Jesus today and it's that channel that is making REAL DISCIPLES who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout the earth! Act 1:8

I don't want to argue with you regarding apostles because you don't even understand that there are special callings and general commandments. You don't even understand the difference. I can't start talking to you about the apostolic office.

You asked for scriptures for saying that all are not called to do the same things? That would take you into a whole lot of lessons where we would be talking about the 5 fold ministries of Christ. Go study that on your own. But let me give you this scripture in 1 Corinthians 12:29-31.

Paul asked the Corinthians who wanted to be everything and be everywhere.

"Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[a]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts."

The answer to all is No, so Paul went ahead to tell us what we must all do without any exception - Love. We must all love. Anything that is not of love is not of God. For the lack of love in the life of a believer, he can be doomed. You cannot know God and not have love because God is love.

FxMasterz:
I don't want to argue with you regarding apostles because you don't even understand that there are special callings and general commandments. You don't even understand the difference. I can't start talking to you about the apostolic office.
You asked for scriptures for saying that all are not called to do the same things? That would take you into a whole lot of lessons where we would be talking about the 5 fold ministries of Christ. Go study that on your own. But let me give you this scripture in 1 Corinthians 12:29-31.

Paul asked the Corinthians who wanted to be everything and be everywhere.

"Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[a]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts."
The answer to all is No, so Paul went ahead to tell us what we must all do without any exception - Love. We must all love. Anything that is not of love is not of God. For the lack of love in the life of a believer, he can be doomed. You cannot know God and not have love because God is love.

Ọmọ don't turn the scriptures upside down nah!

quote the Bible word for word and let everyone see where you're quoting!

As for the Apostles whatever you like say about them one thing is certain they were WORKING HARD towards increasing disciples teaching and encouraging them to go on with the preaching and teaching work!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ don't turn the scriptures upside down nah!

quote the Bible word for word and let everyone see where you're quoting!

As for the Apostles whatever you like say about them one thing is certain they were WORKING HARD towards increasing disciples teaching and encouraging them to go on with the preaching and teaching work!

I have quoted the scripture you requested. You can also read Ephesians 4 to see that Christ distributed the gifts of ministry when He ascended up on high. He gave some apostoles, some teachers, etc.

If you have any issue with the scripture I quoted, spell it out, I'll elaborate.

We are not doomed for not preaching. There's no Scripture that says that. Except you're called and commissioned of God to preach, you must fulfil your assignment because God will judge you on the basis of how you fulfilled your calling.

FxMasterz:
I have quoted the scripture you requested. You can also read Ephesians 4 to see that Christ distributed the gifts of ministry when He ascended up on high. He gave some apostoles, some teachers, etc.
If you have any issue with the scripture I quoted, spell it out, I'll elaborate.
We are not doomed for not preaching. There's no Scripture that says that. Except you're called and commissioned of God to preach, you must fulfil your assignment because God will judge you on the basis of how you fulfilled your calling.

You have not quoted a verse that supports the exemption of preaching from the WORKS of salvation!

Of course in God's organization offices differs but we must all PREACH and TEACH in our neighborhood.

For instance in my own congregation i am one of the shepherds that doesn't exempt me from going out to preach and teach in my neighborhood the same is with members of our Governing Body who are serving in the office of Apostles over all the congregations globally yet each of them must preach and teach in his neighborhood.

So the preaching WORK is tied to our salvation because that's the command Jesus gave all of us!