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spillo1:
He is actually right. Berbatov was very inconsistent in the 2nd half of that season that Ferguson decided to drop him for the champions league final. Yes, EPL golden boot winner was dropped from the entire squad for a champions league final. Half of his goals that season came in three matches against Blackburn (5), Newcastle (3), and I think Liverpool (3) or something. Infact the berbatov signing was not an upgrade. We should have kept Tevez by all means.

Most of these guys na either Children or they just have amnesia, Fergie regretted not getting Tecez for 40m City paid for him. Most of Berbatov career at United he was inconsistent. Chicharito was comfortably benching him even though he just came from Mexico. Berbatov was not an upgrade and was just there. He did not do anything in united. He was our striker record signing yet he did not feature prominently in the Knockout stages of the UCL from 2009 to 2011. Berbatov was a fringe player majority of his united career. The only season he scored decently he was still benched at the crucial point of the season. Front 3 was Chicha Park and Rooney.

dopeJemi:
Him go say or he don already say? He don already talk am say Berbatov na flop for United broski

some people sef

CapitalCee:
Most of these guys na either Children or they just have amnesia, Fergie regretted not getting Tecez for 40m City paid for him. Most of Berbatov career at United he was inconsistent. Chicharito was comfortably benching him even though he just came from Mexico. Berbatov was not an upgrade and was just there. He did not do anything in united. He was our striker record signing yet he did not feature prominently in the Knockout stages of the UCL from 2009 to 2011. Berbatov was a fringe player majority of his united career. The only season he scored decently he was still benched at the crucial point of the season. Front 3 was Chicha Park and Rooney.

Your logic makes no sense and you are trying to spin your argument with ad hominem. A lot of people would kill to have the kind of individual and team achievements that Berbatov got at man united ffs! “..He did not do anything..” as how

CapitalCee:
Most of these guys na either Children or they just have amnesia, Fergie regretted not getting Tecez for 40m City paid for him. Most of Berbatov career at United he was inconsistent. Chicharito was comfortably benching him even though he just came from Mexico. Berbatov was not an upgrade and was just there. He did not do anything in united. He was our striker record signing yet he did not feature prominently in the Knockout stages of the UCL from 2009 to 2011. Berbatov was a fringe player majority of his united career. The only season he scored decently he was still benched at the crucial point of the season. Front 3 was Chicha Park and Rooney.

Hope you remember that Berbatov has EPL top scorer for United that Either Chicharito,park or even Rooney do not have?

patrickmuf:
Well, the others spent their peak years here. I don't know why you're missing this point. Ronaldo was good here but we didn't see the best of him here. If Keane, Rooney, Vidic, Evra and the likes left before reaching their peak, I won't rank them so high.

So winning all individual awards wey even Giggs with his 100 years no win, no be best of a player?

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“We will see if he can be available for Sunday against Arsenal. If not, after the international break”.

spillo1:
Ronaldo spent 7 seasons at United. Evra spent 8 seasons. Park did 7 seasons like Ronaldo. Keane did 4 seasons going by the 21st century timeline. What impact did those players have here that trumps Ronaldo?

Sometimes i wonder whether people no watch football that time or they just wan argue. Or may the Gen Z twitter people.
After the 2001, season. The Building block of the treble winners was diminished or left. Jaap Stam, Schmeichel, Yorke, Andy Cole, Dennis Irwin, Ronny Jonsen etc. Man U entered a banter era where we struggled to win anything. Infact the 2003 title Arsenal did a bottle job the type never seen before. Fergie was even considering retiring.
Fergie made a come back in 06/07 season Majorly spearheaded by Ronaldo and Rooney. Ronaldo was the main catalyst of that Fergie resurgence. We forgot that he won the World footballer of the year and Ballondor at Man United. He won 3 EPLs UCL FA cup 2 league cups. The Only people I can say had more inpact at United more than Ronaldo post 2000. is Rooney, Giggs Vidic and May be Rio

Manchester united fans vs Ronaldo fans I'm enjoying this intelligent argument.

maik99:
Your logic makes no sense and you are trying to spin your argument with ad hominem. A lot of people would kill to have the kind of individual and team achievements that Berbatov got at man united ffs! “..He did not do anything..” as how

Which achievement biko?

In the season where he was EPL top scorer, 8 of his 20 league goals came in useless 7-1 and 5-0 wins vs Relegation battlers at Old Trafford.

This was someone who wasn't even deemed good enough to start in numerous key matches

GBAbatov was a flat track bully at UTD abeg - he legit failed to live up to the hype and expectations

Jokerman:
So winning all individual awards wey even Giggs with his 100 years no win, no be best of a player?

Giggs delivered consistently for longer periods.

spillo1:
The point is why will you judge Ronaldo by his Madrid performance when we are talking about his impact at United. You are basically saying if Ronaldo had flopped at Madrid, you will rate his performance at United higher. This is like an Aberdeen fan saying Ferguson is not a legend or great at the club because he reached an higher level at United.

The point I raised and stand by is that Ronaldo was top level here only for 3 years and those were not his best years. If Rooney had joined a rival andgone ahead to win 4 UCLs, 3 leagues titles and other trophies, many here won't rank him that high...Rooney is ranked that high because he spent the peak of his career here. Fans will always appreciate that over a few great seasons unless they're fan boys.

patrickmuf:
The point I raised and stand by is that Ronaldo was top level here only for 3 years and those were not his best years. If Rooney had joined a rival andgone ahead to win 4 UCLs, 3 leagues titles and other trophies, many here won't rank him that high...Rooney is ranked that high because he spent the peak of his career here. Fans will always appreciate that over a few great seasons unless they're fan boys.

Bro, you ranked JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo.

adisaaowala:
Which achievement biko?

In the season where he was EPL top scorer, 8 of his 20 league goals came in useless 7-1 and 5-0 wins vs Relegation battlers at Old Trafford.

This was someone who wasn't even deemed good enough to start in numerous key matches

GBAbatov was a flat track bully at UTD abeg - he legit failed to live up to the hype and expectations

I never see where dem dey probe the goals of golden boot winner before for my life
One of you confessed he scored a hat trick against Liverpool. Five goals in a match easy na hen dem no dey score am against relegation fodder teams every season😂

maik99:
I never see where dem dey probe the goals of golden boot winner before for my life
One of you confessed he scored a hat trick against Liverpool. Five goals in a match easy na hen dem no dey score am against relegation fodder teams every season😂

E say na useless relegation battlers oya make your current forwards win Golden boot against those same useless relegation battlers na, none of these lazy bums can lace Berba's boots infact, gimme a striker either Sexy Orobasa alias Orobobastard or Erasmus Hollandia that can score 5 against relegation battlers and my BP won't be at the level it is now

maik99:
I never see where dem dey probe the goals of golden boot winner before for my life
One of you confessed he scored a hat trick against Liverpool. Five goals in a match easy na hen dem no dey score am against relegation fodder teams every season😂

I didn't formulate it - it's a general term used to describe players who target lower teams but are literally useless at the biggest stages...

GBAbertov specialised in dominating useless relegation battlers at OT..no wonder he couldn't even start most biggest games

Highest goalscorer in the league yet he couldnt even make the match squad in the CL final for that same season - BerbaFLOP for a reason

afrodoc2:
Bro, you ranked JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo.

Na the people wey we de argue football with. I love JS Park and he was fantastic for us but he was no where near Ronaldo for us. Infact Park only won 1 more EPL in 2011 after Ronaldo left. Ronaldo together with Rooney masterminded the resurgence of Fergie in 2006/07. Ronaldo was imperious from late 2005 to 2009 when he left. The late trophy haul by Fergie was largely due to Ronaldo.

adisaaowala:
Which achievement biko?

In the season where he was EPL top scorer, 8 of his 20 league goals came in useless 7-1 and 5-0 wins vs Relegation battlers at Old Trafford.

This was someone who wasn't even deemed good enough to start in numerous key matches

GBAbatov was a flat track bully at UTD abeg - he legit failed to live up to the hype and expectations

Berbatov wey Fergie buy 20 year old Chicharito from Gauladajara of Mexico make he use am complete squad, Chicharito just knack Berbetov permanently for bench. Sotey fergie didnt even deem him fit to be a sqaud member in the UCL final against Barca. He was really frustrating and lazy. In key matches nobody de even reason Berbatov. Infact when Chicharito gets injured Fergie will move Rooney up top and introduce Nani.

CapitalCee:
Na the people wey we de argue football with. I love JS Park and he was fantastic for us but he was no where near Ronaldo for us. Infact Park only won 1 more EPL in 2011 after Ronaldo left. Ronaldo together with Rooney masterminded the resurgence of Fergie in 2006/07. Ronaldo was imperious from late 2005 to 2009 when he left. The late trophy haul by Fergie was largely due to Ronaldo.

That one just weak me.

I didn't want to challenge him on it until someone else raised the issue, so that it won't look like i am a monitoring spirit.

But to rate JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo for us is wild. So wild that i have to just concede defeat.

CapitalCee:
Berbatov wey Fergie buy 20 year old Chicharito from Gauladajara of Mexico make he use am complete squad, Chicharito just knack Berbetov permanently for bench. Sotey fergie didnt even deem him fit to be a sqaud member in the UCL final against Barca. He was really frustrating and lazy. In key matches nobody de even reason Berbatov. Infact when Chicharito gets injured Fergie will move Rooney up top and introduce Nani.

There are probably 10 pages of debate about this Berbatov issue dating back to 2011-2013, on this same thread.
Those who know, know Berba for what he was.

afrodoc2:
There are probably 10 pages of debate about this Berbatov issue dating back to 2011-2013, on this same thread.
Those who know, know Berba for what he was.

Thank you Doc, i didnt even know that it has been debated here. I hate it when people just want to distort history that happened before us, just because some of these old players go carry mic enter studio de analyse match no mean say we don forget who they are. Tommorow now Antony go soon enter studio then go give am mic, then small 30 secs clips of his clips and few of his long ranges curlers will emerge online, small children now wey don grow go come tell us how Antony take be legend.

All these Old players we know those who actually did well.

CapitalCee:
Thank you Doc, i didnt even know that it has been debated here. I hate it when people just want to distort history that happened before us, just because some of these old players go carry mic enter studio de analyse match no mean say we don forget who they are. Tommorow now Antony go soon enter studio then go give am mic, then small 30 secs clips of his clips and few of his long ranges curlers will emerge online, small children now wey don grow go come tell us how Antony take be legend.

All these Old players we know those who actually did well.

This was in 2013 when i was arguing with someone claiming that Berba had done more for us than Rooney.

afrodoc:
in the season he was top scorer for United Berbatov scored in the following matches

1 goal against Newcastle match ended 3-0
1 goal against West Ham match ended 3-0
1 goal against Everton match ended 3-3
Hat trick against Liverpool match ended 3-2
5 goals against Blackburn match ended 7-1
1 goal against Sunderland and match ended 2-0
1 goal against Birmingham and match ended 1-1
Hat trick against Birmingham match ended 5-0
2 goals against Blackpool match ended 3-2
1 goal against Bolton and the match ended 1-0
1 goal against Fulham and match ended 2-0

His goals came in 11 matches and included a hat trick against Liverpool , hat trick against relegated Birmingham, 2 goals against relegated Blackpool 1 goal against relegated West Ham and 5 against Birmingham.

7 of his 20 goals came against relegated teams and 5 against 15th placed Birmingham

Notice the lack of any goals against a top 5 team.

Berbatov is the epitome of the flat track bully

afrodoc:
everton? now thats a top team.after all we pinched their manager. And we know from the earlier posts that at least 3 of those liverpool goals came when liverpool came 6th in the 2010/2011 season.so are u saying he has scored grand total of 8 goals against a top 4 team in the last 7 years?
an average of just over 1 goal a year?
NOW if that isnt a flat track bully then what is?
P.S in the same period Wayne Rooney has 18 league goals against top 4 sides in the EPL alone.

afrodoc:
in the 2006/2007 EPL season berbatov scored 0 goal against top 4 teams

in the 2007/2008 EPL season berbatov scored 3 goals against top 4 teams

in the 2008/2009 EPL season berbatov scored 1 goal against top 4 teams

in the 2009/2010 EPL season berbatov scored 0 goal against top 4 teams

in the 2010/2011 EPL season berbatov scored 0 goal against top 4 teams

in the 2011/2012 EPL season berbatov scored 0 goal against top 4 teams

in the 2012/2013 EPL season berbatov scored 2 goals against top 4 teams


A GRAND TOTAL OF SIX EPL GOALS AGAINST TOP 4 TEAMS IN 7 SEASONS

NOW if that is not a flat track bully please what is?

P.S the point would be further driven home when you research his goals against relegated teams in the same period
e.g he scored as many goals ( SIX) against relegated teams in the 2010/2011 season ALONE as he had scored against top 4 teams in 7 seasons

A bit of fact checking would be appreciated instead of coming here and making blanket statements that are untrue

afrodoc2:
Bro, you ranked JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo.

Well, I went overboard there but my point still stands.

CapitalCee:
Na the people wey we de argue football with. I love JS Park and he was fantastic for us but he was no where near Ronaldo for us. Infact Park only won 1 more EPL in 2011 after Ronaldo left. Ronaldo together with Rooney masterminded the resurgence of Fergie in 2006/07. Ronaldo was imperious from late 2005 to 2009 when he left. The late trophy haul by Fergie was largely due to Ronaldo.

The late trophy haul was largely due to Ronaldo? You might pass for a comic writer bro

patrickmuf:
Well, I went overboard there but my point still stands.

Fair enough that you accepted that it was a bit overboard.

I get your general point but i don't quite agree with it though.

Nothing concerns me with what Player A did in another club when we are comparing his impact or importance in OUR OWN history compared to Player B.

We should be comparing Player A's achievements at Man Utd with Player B's achievements at Man Utd. If Player A went elsewhere to peak even higher than Player B, it just means that Player A is not only a greater Man Utd player than Player B he is also a greater player overall.

Rooney, Vida, Rio. That is probably it for the list of Man Utd players in the 21st century that can even chat to CR7 in terms of United status.

P.S Obviously Scholes, Giggs, Becks, Keano are not in consideration as they span both 20th and 21st centuries.

KingTom:
E say na useless relegation battlers oya make your current forwards win Golden boot against those same useless relegation battlers na, none of these lazy bums can lace Berba's boots infact, gimme a striker either Sexy Orobasa alias Orobobastard or Erasmus Hollandia that can score 5 against relegation battlers and my BP won't be at the level it is now

Hojlund and Orobosa don dey disturb your BP 😂

afrodoc2:
This was in 2013 when i was arguing with someone claiming that Berba had done more for us than Rooney.

I won’t even be surprised but just for clarity, the argument is that Berbatov was an unsuccessful signing a.k.a A flop

CapitalCee:
Thank you Doc, i didnt even know that it has been debated here. I hate it when people just want to distort history that happened before us, just because some of these old players go carry mic enter studio de analyse match no mean say we don forget who they are. Tommorow now Antony go soon enter studio then go give am mic, then small 30 secs clips of his clips and few of his long ranges curlers will emerge online, small children now wey don grow go come tell us how Antony take be legend.

All these Old players we know those who actually did well.

I no know how you fit dey compare Antony to person wey win golden boot but go on

maik99:
I won’t even be surprised but just for clarity, the argument is that Berbatov was an unsuccessful signing a.k.a A flop

It's not even debatable - BerbaFLOP was a waste of money

Independent:
Despite being Manchester United's most expensive ever signing, Berbatov failed to nail down a place in Ferguson's team in what will be remembered as a disappointing spell at Old Trafford. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-set-for-ps27m-loss-as-striker-dimitar-berbatov-heads-for-italy-8092293.html

maik99:
I won’t even be surprised but just for clarity, the argument is that Berbatov was an unsuccessful signing a.k.a A flop

To be honest the opinion then was that he was a mid signing. Just there. Maybe not flop levels but not a successful one if one factors in the expectations when we got him from Spurs at that time.

We should have kept Tevez and spent that Berba money elsewhere. The fact that SAF offloaded Tevez and kept Berba was a big strategic mistake.

maik99:
Hojlund and Orobosa don dey disturb your BP 😂

Bro that 5-2 win against Leicester was the first time in a long time, I sat down to finish our match

afrodoc2:
Bro, you ranked JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo.

Patrick and his mates are suffering from fake hate syndrome, they be forming hate Ronaldo just to be in the opposition.

Na to just drop picture and tell them to show us which player(s) did it before Ronaldo and after Ronaldo in the EPL.
No time for unnecessary back and forth...