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Gerrard59:
I referenced TWO NIGERIAN women who complained about the healthcare systems in the UK and Canada. One lived in Nigeria and the other in South Africa. Should their opinions be disregarded because you don't like them? Were they outrightly dishonest? People have complained bitterly about the scarcity of dentists and I was shocked because I see dentists clinics scattered around here. A doctor limiting a patient to one medical complaint per consultation sounds surreal to me. But people are complaining about this, but their complaints are unwarranted?

About the economy, every person out there knows that the US economy out-performs the UK by any measurable metric. Nigerians in the US out-earn every other diasporan, and I wager even more than those in China.

I like the phrase measurable metric in your last paragraph.

That something appears odd to you does not mean its wrong- again you need to look at the system and outcomes.
Context is what youre struggling with- e.g there are significant security issues in the UK but complaining about it does not mean they're experiencing anything close to what we see in 9ja.
It reminds me on 2 previous discussions I've had on NL- first was someone describing how expensive food is in the U.S cos he converted the price of Coke in usd into naira- I had to go to town to make him see that food is at least 10x more expensive in 9ja. Next was same person mocking the UK cos they were suffering high inflation and people were complaining online. I started by asking him when last inflation in 9ja was as low as 8%.

I'm trying not to go down on this but lets see. In your words, tell me one respectable measurable metric where health outcomes in Nigeria superceed the UK (or on a good trajectory to do soon)?

Zahra29:
Lol @ the bolded delulu

Even their parents register with the GP when they come to visit for a few weeks/months.

You do have a habit of tying your self in knots by saying things that come back to bite you.

You do realise I'm a GP and at least I can appreciate the demography of the people I see.
For my first 2 years in this country, despite spending over 40hrs weekly working in the NHS, I was not registered at a practice. In over 5 years I've been here, I've never been to see my GP. Among Nigerian immigrants, my usuage of health services is not an exception as many of us grew up in a different health system and are inclined to use services less.

In my locality, the population of Nigerians has risen significantly over the last 3yrs. Some of us have our parents visit and i see them socially in the community. If their parents were routinely going on to register at a GP or even contacting NHS 111 regularly, I'd be about the first to know.

lavida001:
The stop posting trivial things gang will come for your head.

Only intellectual hot takes is allowed on this platform.

We can't all be serious (all of the time)...... Life is dynamic..... 😁😂

lavida001:
Who knows about this dream business thing that is going around. Is it a viable investment?

Most likely another form of MMM (rebranded)..... 😁😂

jedisco:
Seen crazy sums being spent and I'm sometimes engaged in conversations pushing adult social care to do the needful and in good time too. Wasn't surprised that my council has been struggling too. The sums spent can truly be stagerring. Reason why when folks point to minor things as the reason NHS/social care keeps needing money, I just smile.

Simply hear and look away..... They are enjoying the wastage....... 😊

jedisco:
You do have a habit of tying your self in knots by saying things that come back to bite you.

You do realise I'm a GP and at least I can appreciate the demography of the people I see.
For my first 2 years in this country, despite spending over 40hrs weekly working in the NHS, I was not registered at a practice. In over 5 years I've been here, I've never been to see my GP. Among Nigerian immigrants, my usuage of health services is not an exception as many of us grew up in a different health system and are inclined to use services less.

In my locality, the population of Nigerians has risen significantly over the last 3yrs. Some of us have our parents visit and i see them socially in the community. If their parents were routinely going on to register at a GP or even contacting NHS 111 regularly, I'd be about the first to know.

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/international-migrants-use-nhs-services-less-frequently-than-non-migrants

The stats support this:

"In our analysis we found, on average, health care utilisation among migrants to the UK is up to 40% lower than utilisation among the UK-born population. This was true for six out of seven health care services (inpatient, outpatient, primary care, physiotherapy, mental health services and dental care)."

Lexusgs430:
Even Vance insulted trump..... But see where apologies got him...... 😁😂

Lol true. Lammy just needs to bend the knee and kiss the ring and he's all good 😂

jedisco:
You do have a habit of tying your self in knots by saying things that come back to bite you.

You do realise I'm a GP and at least I can appreciate the demography of the people I see.
For my first 2 years in this country, despite spending over 40hrs weekly working in the NHS, I was not registered at a practice. In over 5 years I've been here, I've never been to see my GP. Among Nigerian immigrants, my usuage of health services is not an exception as many of us grew up in a different health system and are inclined to use services less.

In my locality, the population of Nigerians has risen significantly over the last 3yrs. Some of us have our parents visit and i see them socially in the community. If their parents were routinely going on to register at a GP or even contacting NHS 111 regularly, I'd be about the first to know.

Bite me in what way? You've relayed your purely anecdotal view from your own locality. There are other anecdotal views and evidence from other localities and trusts that would paint a different picture to the one you're trying to claim of migrants never using the NHS.

Goodenoch:
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/international-migrants-use-nhs-services-less-frequently-than-non-migrants

The stats support this:

"In our analysis we found, on average, health care utilisation among migrants to the UK is up to 40% lower than utilisation among the UK-born population. This was true for six out of seven health care services (inpatient, outpatient, primary care, physiotherapy, mental health services and dental care)."

This 2020 article caveats that there was no up to date NHS data at the time of writing, and so they have relied on a self-reported survey/market research for their study.

Zahra29:
This 2020 article caveats that there was no up to date NHS data at the time of writing, and so they have relied on a self-reported survey/market research for their study.

Do you have newer stats/reports? Anything at all, other than anecdotes?

Demographic patterns are unlikely to have changed during the period. The factors influencing the trend (primarily the age of the immigrants) hasn’t changed and if anything, with the recent changes, it’ll likely trend toward increasingly younger people with no spouses/family.

Zahra29:
Lol true. Lammy just needs to bend the knee and kiss the ring and he's all good 😂

In public. Then he'll have to release an abject statement repudiating all formerly held views in that connection and then he just might be in with a chance of keeping his job. Otherwise Starmer might carry out a Kim Darroch on him.

jedisco:
You do have a habit of tying your self in knots by saying things that come back to bite you.

You do realise I'm a GP and at least I can appreciate the demography of the people I see.
For my first 2 years in this country, despite spending over 40hrs weekly working in the NHS, I was not registered at a practice. In over 5 years I've been here, I've never been to see my GP. Among Nigerian immigrants, my usuage of health services is not an exception as many of us grew up in a different health system and are inclined to use services less.

In my locality, the population of Nigerians has risen significantly over the last 3yrs. Some of us have our parents visit and i see them socially in the community. If their parents were routinely going on to register at a GP or even contacting NHS 111 regularly, I'd be about the first to know.

Was waiting for somebody to pick her up on this.
I only registered in the NHS to get my vaccines. My Doctor is back in Nigeria. I really should move but I haven't.

We pay for our parents checkups here. To the last penny. I did . At the Nuffield

Some people have no idea of our experiences apart from what they ve read in books. But they ll want to comment on those experiences. That they have no lived experience of.

It will always amaze me how people look at this person and see anything but a grifter who will say anything she needs to and throw anyone under the bus that she can to advance herself.

Goodenoch:
It will always amaze me how people look at this person and see anything but a grifter who will say anything she needs to and throw anyone under the bus that she can to advance herself.

Honestly am beginning to feel for her if the torries dump her in the long run, the way Nigerians will mock her with our huge social media presence it won’t be funny.

Nigeria may be a shithole to some but it’s still the largest black nation on earth. If you’re a person of colour no matter how high you rise, you need to pay attention and be more sensitive.

Goodenoch:
Do you have newer stats/reports? Anything at all, other than anecdotes?

Demographic patterns are unlikely to have changed during the period. The factors influencing the trend (primarily the age of the immigrants) hasn’t changed and if anything, with the recent changes, it’ll likely trend toward increasingly younger people with no spouses/family.

Jedisco made a claim based on his anecdotal view(s). I responded that there would be other anecdotal views to counter his.

None of us have full facts and figures until the NHS releases a comprehensive healthcare utilisation report.

Migration patterns and numbers have in fact shifted significantly since 2020 - hence the recent furore and policy changes under the last Tory government. For example, net migration stood at approx 184,000 in 2019 before the pandemic. In 2022 it was approx 750,000. The demography of international post graduates also changed from mostly single students to mature students with families. Facts, not personal views or user surveys lol

Goke7:
Honestly am beginning to feel for her if the torries dump her in the long run, the way Nigerians will mock her with our huge social media presence it won’t be funny.

Nigeria may be a shithole to some but it’s still the largest black nation on earth. If you’re a person of colour no matter how high you rise, you need to pay attention and be more sensitive.

But how will Nigerians mocking her on Twitter affect her quality of life in North London as a former Tory leader?

They've trolled her already and would have mocked her mercilessly if she had lost the race, but that didn't seem to faze her.

Zahra29:
But how will Nigerians mocking her on Twitter affect her quality of life in North London as a former Tory leader?

They've trolled her already and would have mocked her mercilessly if she had lost the race, but that didn't seem to faze her.

Is this kind of thinking that’s making black politicians even in America to look stupid, the I don’t care attitude of whatever my people think

But don’t you think it’s an opportunity for her to grow up? Is it not time for politicians of colour in privileged places to be more circumspect and diplomatic in their approach to issues in the polity? I have actually heard from Africans in her constituency of the nice things she did for them, is that not enough for her act more wisely and win more people she thinks don’t like her?. Politics is a game of numbers, the more numbers you have the better, reason why more crooked politicians look more intelligent cos they win more folks to boost their numbers

Lexusgs430:
Removal/withdrawal technique, is NEVER a guarantee..... 😁

Condom is the safest and considerate option, especially for the women. The side effects of those family planning techniques on women can be terrible. I'd rather use condom rather than make her risk family planning.

jedisco:
Hehe...
Generally, taking kids off their parents should be the last resort. Most intervention is aimed at preventing that. Exceptions are in certain cases

Really? It seems some social workers are paid bonuses for withdrawing kids at the earliest opportunity.

Goke7:
Is this kind of thinking that’s making black politicians even in America to look stupid, the I don’t care attitude of whatever my people think

But don’t you think it’s an opportunity for her to grow up? Is it not time for politicians of colour in privileged places to be more circumspect and diplomatic in their approach to issues in the polity? I have actually heard from Africans in her constituency of the nice things she did for them, is that not enough for her act more wisely and win more people she thinks don’t like her?. Politics is a game of numbers, the more numbers you have the better, reason why more crooked politicians look more intelligent cos they win more folks to boost their numbers

Genuinely curious which black American politicians you are referring to here lol.

I'm not an advocate of politics of division and I agree with the circumspect and diplomatic approach that you referenced. But does that mean that she cannot air her views or give a candid response when asked? Because she is of Nigerian origin, is she expected to only say nice things about Nigeria when there is a myriad of problems that are glaringly obvious?

I think her delivery can be improved but unless the content is untrue, she shouldn't draw such ire.

Zahra29:
Genuinely curious which black American politicians you are referring to here lol.

I'm not an advocate of politics of division and I agree with the circumspect and diplomatic approach that you referenced. But does that mean that she cannot air her views or give a candid response when asked? Because she is of Nigerian origin, is she expected to only say nice things about Nigeria when there is a myriad of problems that are glaringly obvious?

I think her delivery can be improved but unless the content is untrue, she shouldn't draw such ire.

India, Pakistan and other Asian nations has a lot of problems in fact they are the number 1 japa proponents but politicians of Asian origins in the diaspora hardly remind anyone of the huge challenges there or is it that they are not aware? Self righteousness is the issue here. Delivery is not the only thing kemi should improve on, she should just learn to focus on more relevant messages rather on things she herself has no interest or solutions o.

In North Carolina the republican governorship candidate a man of colour lost, why? His past on irrelevant messaging caught up with him. The same time the Republican Party won the presidential vote there. Same state different outcomes due to approach.

Zahra29:
Genuinely curious which black American politicians you are referring to here lol.
I'm not an advocate of politics of division and I agree with the circumspect and diplomatic approach that you referenced. But does that mean that she cannot air her views or give a candid response when asked? Because she is of Nigerian origin, is she expected to only say nice things about Nigeria when there is a myriad of problems that are glaringly obvious?

I think her delivery can be improved but unless the content is untrue, she shouldn't draw such ire.

Ben Carson and Tim Scott... the list goes on..

ehizario2012:
Condom is the safest and considerate option, especially for the women. The side effects of those family planning techniques on women can be terrible. I'd rather use condom rather than make her risk family planning.

For a single, player or married person...... 👰😂

Goke7:
India, Pakistan and other Asian nations has a lot of problems in fact they are the number 1 japa proponents but politicians of Asian origins in the diaspora hardly remind anyone of the huge challenges there or is it that they are not aware? Self righteousness is the issue here. Delivery is not the only thing kemi should improve on, she should just learn to focus on more relevant messages rather on things she herself has no interest or solutions o.

In North Carolina the republican governorship candidate a man of colour lost, why? His past on irrelevant messaging caught up with him. The same time the republican won the presidential vote there. Same state different outcomes due to approach.

If you were Asian, you would probably feel very strongly about politicians such as Suella and Priti.

Suella is on record as Home Sec as saying that she had reservations about the then proposed Britain’s trade deal with India because it could increase immigration to the UK. She of Indian origin herself. Braverman also said that Indian migrants made up the largest number of visa overstayers in the UK. I'm sure the Indians loved her lol. She also made inflammatory comments about Pakistanis in the UK, claiming that UK child grooming gangs were "almost all British-Pakistani men"

In 2022, over 150 Sikh organizations came together to demand the then Home Sec Priti Patel be sacked for her anti-Sikh rhetoric and activities. Priti is of Indian origin, Sikhs are an Indian religious minority. Priti also signed a deal with India to increase the number of UK illegal migrants and overstayers returned to the country.

I rather think that the Asians would prefer our Kemi over their Suella and Priti 😂

The North Carolina gov candidate, Mark Robinson, lost ,despite heavy Trump backing, because he was found to have made several lewd and inflammatory comments on a p**n site years ago - a bit more serious than "irrelevant messaging". Not many candidates, with the exception of Trump, would have survived that negative exposure.

Lexusgs430:
For a single, player or married person...... 👰😂

Married. It's been working for over 8 years, and I pray it doesn't fail. It's a small sacrifice to make, oral/injection/other contraceptives have side effects which I wouldn't want to subject my woman to.

Zahra29:
If you were Asian, you would probably feel very strongly about politicians such as Suella and Priti.

Suella is on record as Home Sec as saying that she had reservations about the then proposed Britain’s trade deal with India because it could increase immigration to the UK. She of Indian origin herself. Braverman also said that Indian migrants made up the largest number of visa overstayers in the UK. I'm sure the Indians loved her lol. She also made inflammatory comments about Pakistanis in the UK, claiming that UK child grooming gangs were "almost all British-Pakistani men"

In 2022, over 150 Sikh organizations came together to demand the then Home Sec Priti Patel be sacked for her anti-Sikh rhetoric and activities. Priti is of Indian origin, Sikhs are an Indian religious minority. Priti also signed a deal with India to increase the number of UK illegal migrants and overstayers returned to the country.

I rather think that the Asians would prefer our Kemi over their Suella and Priti 😂

The North Carolina gov candidate, Mark Robinson, lost ,despite heavy Trump backing, because he was found to have made several lewd and inflammatory comments on a p**n site years ago.

And where is suella and co today including their boss sunak. They are all gone due to irresponsible and irrelevant messaging. It’s up to kemi to do whatever she likes.

Goke7:
And where is suella and co today including their boss sunak. They are all gone due to irresponsible and irrelevant messaging. It’s up to kemi to do whatever she likes.

Both ladies are doing very well politically.

Suella is still an MP, she survived the last GE when so many of her colleagues lost their seats. Could be a future leadership contender.

Priti was honoured with a damehood and is now the shadow Foreign Secretary.

Zahra29:
Both ladies are doing very well politically.

Suella is still an MP, she survived the last GE when so many of her colleagues lost their seats. Could be a future leadership contender.

Priti was honoured with a damehood and is now the shadow Foreign Secretary.

It remains to be seen especially when kemi is now their leader.

Goke7:
It remains to be seen especially when kemi is now their leader.

Kemi appointed Priti as Shadow Foreign Secretary last week.

ehizario2012:
Married. It's been working for over 8 years, and I pray it doesn't fail. It's a small sacrifice to make, oral/injection/other contraceptives have side effects which I wouldn't want to subject my woman to.

The same woman I would HAPPILY french kiss, then when need arises, I come wear balloon..... NEVER...... 😂😁

A SNIP is much easier/better, then I can swim happily without restrictions, fear or favour...... 🏊😂

Lexusgs430:
The same woman I would HAPPILY french kiss, then when need arises, I come wear balloon..... NEVER...... 😂😁

A SNIP is much easier/better, then I can swim happily without restrictions, fear or favour...... 🏊😂

Talking about Snips.
I’ve been reasoning that thing ohhh.
Can I get it on the NHS?
Is it very expensive?

But I would like to freeze some of my tadpoles before the snip (just in case). Anyone knows how expensive (or cheap) it is to freeze my sperm, please?

PMKeirStarmerer:
Talking about Snips.
I’ve been reasoning that thing ohhh.
Can I get it on the NHS?
Is it very expensive?

But I would like to freeze some of my tadpoles before the snip (just in case). Anyone knows how expensive (or cheap) it is to freeze my sperm, please?

NHS no longer undertakes cosmetic surgery...... 😁


It would cost you under £700..... And yes, those tadpoles could be frozen...... 😁😂

To freeze those tadpoles, is like buying Netflix subscriptions...... You would pay about £600 for the initial year, then about £200 per year going forward...... 😊

Imagine freezing them for 6 years, the cost implications would build a small house in my village..... 😁