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Lexusgs430:
This is commonplace...... Wise investment, the trust would have an additional asset + avoid bedblockers...... 😁

Would only happen in extreme cases......

Finally, was extreme. It was a mental health trust though, and it's not uncommon for folks to spend months on end which causes more backlog higher up.

ehizario2012:
Really? It seems some social workers are paid bonuses for withdrawing kids at the earliest opportunity.

Hehe.. so it seems.. Good number of times, its not. There are red lines that shouldn't be crossed though.

I have once seen a case where a lady was telling social services to come carry her pikin- say she no do again and they can't live together. Social services were begging her to keep him, even promising to provide support as they knew housing him was proper work. Sad experience.

PMKeirStarmerer:
Talking about Snips.
I’ve been reasoning that thing ohhh.
Can I get it on the NHS?
Is it very expensive?

But I would like to freeze some of my tadpoles before the snip (just in case). Anyone knows how expensive (or cheap) it is to freeze my sperm, please?

Yes, a fairly quick procedure too. Just need to be certain its what you want. Most areas would have a pathway to provide this on the NHS. It's considered 'permanent'. Reversals are not NHS funded and there's no guarantee it works.

jedisco:
Finally, was extreme. Was a mental health trust though and it's not uncommon for folks to spend months on end which causes more backlog higher up.

From cradle to grave...... 😂😁

Gerrard59:
None whatsoever. But I believe the lady in the UK is stunned by the one-time per consultation she received even when she had other medical issues. Also, the scarcity of dentists at a point last year or earlier this year got be befuddled.

Your inflationary explanation is excellent.

It see why it can be surprising to someone new to the system. I get time today so let me put some context. Long post.

First off, comparing healthcare access in Nigeria to the UK is not like for like as its free in the UK (except prescriptions for certain groups which is a base fee). In Nigeria except in limited instances, folks pay (sometimes subsidised). Here, if you are willing to pay for healthcare, you can spend 1hr talking to a doctor.

A GP surgery is also not a direct comparison to the local hospital back home. In the UK, theres no limit to how many issues you want to bring up if you think your issues are serious enough to attend a minor injuries, walk in centre or emergency dept. You only soon realise its not the place for longterm issues.

Coming to access, a doctors surgery serves lots of functions and I can say most would see more people in a day than the local church sees on sundays. Unlike 9ja, GPs and routine hospital appointments are timed. So you have an appointment at a given time and should be in and out within 20mins. No one expects to sit in a waiting room spending all morning waiting to be seen as is the case with PHCs or gen hospitals back home.
With access, you can request an appointment via different means. Typically, a clinician on the other end decides how quickly you need to be seen. If routine, you are given a regular appointment. If urgent (and there's room), you're given a same day appt, certain people are visited and seen in their house. If deemed urgent and they've run out of same day appointments or its after hours/weekend, you can also call 111 - discuss with someone and possibly get seen or visited overnight. If an emergency, then its 999 and where if deemed serious enough an ambulance could be with you (if lucky) before you hang up the phone. There are also minor injury clinics where you could walk in to for minor issues or A&E for major issues. You can contact all these services as many times as you want - all free. I've seen someone call out an ambulance over 100 times in a year. With such access, tell me why you'd want to discuss 2 unrelated issues in a particular consult? The average Brit would not want that cos it'd mean others would get to wait longer and appointment times would be less predictable.

In real terms, the main difference between both healthcare systems is not the access for those paying but the fact that a homeless person on the streets in UK may be unwell, call an ambulance (which should arrive promptly), get taken to hospital, treated and discharged (sometimes housed) and if any of those processes brings undue harm, that person can complain/sue and be rewarded plenty. In my years here, I have heard sirens manytimes, but can't remember any being because VIPs were en route. It's almost always because an ambulance or police were responding to emergencies. Infact certain deaths are investigated regionally and almost every unexpected death is forwarded to the coroner. Many people have had huge sums paid out due to failures during care. I talk about entitlement here alot. It'd marvel you the kind of things people formally complain about.


Same also with dental care- the only difference is that this is largely run privately. If paying from pocket and you want to see a dentist today, there are many options. There is also a 111 dental service (though sketcy) which aims to sort out urgent dental problems after hours. There are also specific pathways for certain vulnerable groups to get free care. The long waits you see are for those seeking free NHS dentists. Ask yourself why dental access appears to be a more significant issue in the UK with a smaller population and much more dentists than Nigeria. The odd/good thing is that the expectation of good free service means private healthcare tends to be relatively cheaper in the UK than most similar western nations.

Finally, I would always stand up for 9ja and have seen colleagues go back for certain procedures as they couldn't be stressed with the NHS. They are doing that from a position of knowledge. From a system-wide perspective, the NHS is quite remarkable.

jedisco:
Remember this? We are still waiting for the benefits of Brexit. I remember telling you how trust who set up desks to 'catch/bill illegal migrants' fared and why the idea was thrown out.

I don't disagree with some of your writeup, but to borrow one of Good Enoch's favourite phrases, it's a bit a of a whataboutism.

Your pp claimed that immigrants hardly use the NHS and that most were not even registered with their GP (though in a later post you referenced your experience in your "locality" as the basis of your claim).

I don't agree that the majority of immigrants hardly/never use the NHS , nor is this a target that anyone has advocated for. Immigrants/UK residents, just like citizens, are encouraged to make use of the NHS when needed and within the guidelines. As a GP you obviously recognise the importance of NHS health checks e.g. cervical smear tests, the PSA test for prostate cancer (for which black men are in a high risk group), over 40 health check for diabetes, heart disease etc and other critical screenings which can save lives if caught early- but require the individual to be registered at their GP practice to access them.

The appropriate action should be for migrants in your community to be informed of the importance of these tests and to ensure they are up to date with them - and not to make/defend assertions that most immigrants are not registered with their GPs.

Zahra29:
I don't disagree with some of your writeup, but to borrow one of Good Enoch's favourite phrases, it's a bit a of a whataboutism.

Forget round-about tok... can we at least agree on two things?

1. The NHS is not under pressure because many migrants come with 'poorly treated' ailments from Africa to burden the NHS as you previously liked to chorus.

2. The reason why we can access health and care to the good standard the NHS and social care give is partly thanks to the many African, Asian and European healthcare workers who come here.

ehizario2012:
Abstaining increases the chances of prostate cancer

This is NOT true. Just to correct the record.

There are 3 risk factors for prostate cancer:
getting older – it mainly affects men aged 50 or over

having a family history of prostate cancer

being Black.

I m happy we are discussing health issues and reproductive rights here. It looks like quite a few people have had a good experience with vasectomies aka the snip

GP Jedisco, kindly tell us how to arrange a prostate check or does it kick in automatically like the PAP smear?

Ebenezer2021:
Hello ma'am. Greetings.
Please I'd like to communicate with you on an inactive thread please.
I need your insights and assistance

Sure . Just mention me

PMQs today was another skinning for Madam Maternity leave. Its like the dog who finally caught the car and doesn't know what to do with it.

Good good...she ll soon be out never to darken our doorways again. Muhahaha

In other news Canada is ending their default visit visa which was multi-entry and up to 10 yrs. @Zahra29 u didn't update us.

The interesting thing about migration into the English speaking West is that sometimes, dem dey follow themselves.

See me that was planning to tell my parents to go renew their passport so they can apply at at least come for summer most years with less stress.

I'm sure someone in their immigration department must have brought this up and ask why they charge £55 for a 10 year multi-entry visa when they could earn loads more by laddering it out. Moreso, given they welcome alot of permenent residents from developing nations who'd be keen to also have family visit. The money they could earn by commoditising the process is unreal and I wouldn't be surprised they start doing so.

missjekyll:
Jedisco, kindly tell us how to arrange a prostate check or does it kick in automatically like the PAP smear?

All true. There is good advise on NHS website and prostate cancer uk.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

https://prostatecanceruk.org


The only thing I'd add is that alot is changing in this area. In the past, the simple blood test and an unwelcome physical exam (rectal) were not reliable enough to make them a blanket screening tool as many people with abnormal blood tests went on to have procedures looking for cancers that were not there or of little concern. Infact the rectal exam has been fingered in putting many groups (especially black men) off from asking for a screen. The routine use of MRIs as part of the investigative process has been a game changer. With good data from the process and uptake in AI, I believe there'd soon be a blanket form of screening which would a combination of a blood test and scan. Until then, folks over 50 would need to ask.

jedisco:
All true. There is good advise on NHS website and prostate cancer uk.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

https://prostatecanceruk.org


The only thing I'd add is that alot is changing in this area. In the past, the simple blood test and an unwelcome exam were not reliable enough to make them a blanket screening tool as many people with abnormal blood tests went on to have procedures looking for cancers that were not there or of little concern. The routine use of MRIs as part of the investigative process has been a game changer. With good data from the process and uptake in AI, I believe there'd soon be a blanket form of screening which would a combination of a blood test and scan. Until then, folks over 50 would need to ask.

Many thanks,Jedisco.

You ve heard it ,guys.
Follow that link and book in for a check. Cancer is really nasty

missjekyll:
PMQs today was another skinning for Madam Maternity leave. Its like the dog who finally caught the car and doesn't know what to do with it.

Good good...she ll soon be out never to darken our doorways again. Muhahaha

I agree, she’s out of her depth IMHO. Liz Truss 2.0

Oh my God.

Matt Gaetz to be attorney General of the United States.

Am I f***ing dreaming?!

EGBAMI O! ANWUOLA MU O! Jesus I thank you that I chose the UK all those years ago. It was a toss up and I nearly chose the US but I changed my mind. Thank the Universe for me Ooooo!

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extra cost, post NI deductions.

Finally, it’s not just me who thinks this—remember, the Tories got a good shellacking partly because of the NHS crisis & public services decline in general. Labour hasn’t missed a day reminding them of the 14years of failure etc.

jedisco:
In other news Canada is ending their default visit visa which was multi-entry and up to 10 yrs. @Zahra29 u didn't update us.

The interesting thing about migration into the English speaking West is that sometimes, dem dey follow themselves.

See me that was planning to tell my parents to go renew their passport so they can apply at at least come for summer most years with less stress.

I'm sure someone in their immigration department must have brought this up and ask why they charge £55 for a 10 year multi-entry visa when they could earn loads more by laddering it out. Moreso, given they welcome alot of permenent residents from developing nations who'd be keen to also have family visit. The money they could earn by commoditising the process is unreal and I wouldn't be surprised they start doing so.

You just like to trouble our dear Aunty Z sha, lol 😂 please let her breathe o, so much is going on in our world today, as some are increasing visa fees others are preparing for mass deportations, gbas gbos everywhere, can’t wait for 2025, so much in store for everyone.

missjekyll:
Oh my God.

Matt Gaetz to be attorney General of the United States.

Am I f***ing dreaming?!

EGBAMI O! ANWUOLA MU O! Jesus I thank you that I chose the UK all those years ago. It was a toss up and I nearly chose the US but I changed my mind. Thank the Universe for me Ooooo!

No, you must relocate, They say it’s a cabinet of disruptive transformation, even the Secretary of defence is another banger. And you now add Elon Musk in charge of govt efficiency, the president general among the nations, omo this US govt must favour me o where is my visa, I need to port 😂. You’re coming with me no way!

Goke7:
No, you must relocate, They say it’s a cabinet of disruptive transformation, even the Secretary of defence is another banger. And you now add Elon Musk in charge of govt efficiency, the president general among the nations, omo this US govt must favour me o where is my visa, I need to port 😂. You’re coming with me no way!

God forbid.
It's a catastrophic disaster of monumental proportions.

Brace for impact everyone, there ll be an influx of Americans in the next few months. Brush up your CV o. Mk dem no come collect person job.
Ehen

jedisco:
In other news Canada is ending their default visit visa which was multi-entry and up to 10 yrs. @Zahra29 u didn't update us.

The interesting thing about migration into the English speaking West is that sometimes, dem dey follow themselves.

I saw the news but there were other nairaland threads on the topic so I didn't feel the need to raise it here as well.

I guess it goes to show that every country has a limit and it's not racist to want to control the numbers of people coming in as you've been claiming the last few years.

Thank goodness you're moving to Canada soon to convince the govt that their indigenous birth rate is declining and therefore they need much more immigration, not less.

jedisco:
Forget round-about tok... can we at least agree on two things?

1. The NHS is not under pressure because many migrants come with 'poorly treated' ailments from Africa to burden the NHS as you previously liked to chorus.

2. The reason why we can access health and care to the good standard the NHS and social care give is partly thanks to the many African, Asian and European healthcare workers who come here.

Prevarication and strawman at its finest. I'm sure your previous post claimed that immigrants hardly/never use the NHS, where did the above points appear from?😂

Since we're making requests, can I also ask that we agree that:

1. Your claim that the majority of immigrants never use the NHS is untrue

2. As stated in my previous post, you should be encouraging those in your community to register with their GP for essential health checks such as cervical smears, PSA test for prostate cancer, over 40 health checks for diabetes, heart disease etc.

I see you've posted some information above about some of the above tests 👍
Early screening saves lives.

Goke7:
You just like to trouble our dear Aunty Z sha, lol 😂 please let her breathe o, so much is going on in our world today, as some are increasing visa fees others are preparing for mass deportations, gbas gbos everywhere, can’t wait for 2025, so much in store for everyone.

Lol I'm breathing great. Unlike some,I was bracing myself for Trump 2.0 so I'm not shocked at all.

On a serious note, Trump's new border tsar sounds ruthless, Elon and Vivek are going to make sweeping cuts to their civil service, Obamacare might not survive or might get slashed to bare bone, tariffs might end up pushing prices of consumer goods sky high while the rich get even richer, and the country is likely to become even more divided. I'm thankful as always that I don't live in the US.

Zahra29:
Lol I'm breathing great. Unlike some,I was bracing myself for Trump 2.0 so I'm not shocked at all.

On a serious note, Trump's new border tsar sounds ruthless, Elon and Vivek are going to make sweeping cuts to their civil service, Obamacare might not survive or might get slashed to bare bone, tariffs might end up pushing prices of consumer goods sky high while the rich get even richer, and the country is likely to become even more divided. I'm thankful as always that I don't live in the US.

No o, taxes are going to be lower and high wages will become a reality making citizens more wealthy that's what the Americans said they voted for, don’t let them accuse you of supporting the deep state o. They have left communism behind according to them.

missjekyll:
God forbid.
It's a catastrophic disaster of monumental proportions.

Brace for impact everyone, there ll be an influx of Americans in the next few months. Brush up your CV o. Mk dem no come collect person job.
Ehen

Uncle Farage will be happier, he had told us to roll out the red carpet when the Americans come to town, no fear

missjekyll:
God forbid.
It's a catastrophic disaster of monumental proportions.

Brace for impact everyone, there ll be an influx of Americans in the next few months. Brush up your CV o. Mk dem no come collect person job.
Ehen

They're already coming....

Goke7:
No o, taxes are going to be lower and high wages will become a reality making citizens more wealthy that's what the Americans said they voted for, don’t let them accuse you of supporting the deep state o. They have left communism behind according to them.

Cakeism US style.
Lower corporate taxes and it certainly doesn't "trickle down" in higher pay - companies simply book higher profits.

jedisco:
While I manytimes cut her some slack for at least coming here to interract and learn from our views, her ignorance of our lived experience is manytimes evident. I sometimes curious on why she's here (with my tinfoil hat on).

Oddly, that's how populism works - blame visibly different folks for every societal ill and chorus how all issues can be solved by 'just' chucking them away. It's been a recurring decimal in many nations - one that has hardly worked. Take U.S for example- a nation that has of late done stupendously well and due to add more wealth over the next year that all of Europe put together. Yet the many average Americans believes the reason why they are not as rich as they want is not because of the social structure but cos of some immigrants crossing the border. Yes, they could secure their border but that would not adress the underlying inequality.

Capitalism has failed us.

90% of global wealth is owned and controlled by 5% of the population.

Lexusgs430:
From cradle to grave...... 😂😁

Somebody once said this on another platform. It's indeed from cradle to grave. Imagine goiyto social workers from an earlier age, globetrotting from one care home to another till old age. It's a vicious circle.

What do you do when a stranger messages you out of the blue to ask for

1. Money for burial
2. A job( he makes 30000 at his current job)
3.Psychological counselling for depression

#scratchingmyheadvigorously
Any advice or help for this gentleman ? I m batting a big fat zero on all counts.

Sorry if this is not the thread for it but I m stumped,honestly.

missjekyll:
Oh my God.

Matt Gaetz to be attorney General of the United States.

Am I f***ing dreaming?!

EGBAMI O! ANWUOLA MU O! Jesus I thank you that I chose the UK all those years ago. It was a toss up and I nearly chose the US but I changed my mind. Thank the Universe for me Ooooo!

Matt Gaetz appointment was a shocker but I think I know why he was appointed. His first job is to clean up ALL the criminals investigations himself and Trump are under. All J6 prisoners will be freed then they will go after their own political enemies.

Zahra29:
Lol I'm breathing great. Unlike some,I was bracing myself for Trump 2.0 so I'm not shocked at all.

On a serious note, Trump's new border tsar sounds ruthless, Elon and Vivek are going to make sweeping cuts to their civil service, Obamacare might not survive or might get slashed to bare bone, tariffs might end up pushing prices of consumer goods sky high while the rich get even richer, and the country is likely to become even more divided. I'm thankful as always that I don't live in the US.

Elon appointment is a reward for spending $200M of his own money to get Trump elected. He will make 10x more than that because he will benefit from tax cuts for the rich and removal of environmental regulations put in place by Joe Biden administration

justwise:
Matt Gaetz appointment was a shocker but I think I know why he was appointed. His first job is to clean up ALL the criminals investigations himself and Trump are under. All J6 prisoners will be freed then they will go after their own political enemies.

If I was American, I would be dusting off my passport right about now. All bets are off at this point. Trump will ram him through.Gaetz already resigned from Congress.

I was shocked to my marrow. Wtaf!?