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Kingsempires:
this is why someone I just suggest that is it better for a person to be a self christian like many church are discriminated; catholic,Jws,RCCG, Winners,MFM etc.

I always wonder if their is any true religion?

As long as you know true religion is not a religious denomination

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote any publication where God's people gave a specific date?

Thanks in advance!

The one your lying and manipulating brains avoid on your thread is still available.

Dtruthspeaker:
i don't know what you mean by "self christian" but if you mean a person not attached to any chiurch, yet believes God, then, no problem.

I don't know why you chose to use the word "discriminated" rather, any church that has parted from God's Command, will be condemned, and all these churches you named have their own lies they sold and corpses in wardrobes.

I can not fathom how any grown up, person would imagine that his church would save him. If you are already not savable, then no one or chiurch can save you.

He who has eyes can see

johnw47:
oh duh most dum lost false jw mad max

i have posted so many specific failed dates given by your false jw org publications, once again talk about being blinded, you certainly are

3 specific date failures:

1. watchtower claimed that Jesus returned in 1874,
2. watchtower claimed that the rapture would be in 1878,
3. watchtower claimed that the end of the world was to occur in 1914





2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

Let him go to his thread and bring it here. Where in the Bible did they get the 1914 date? His lying and manipulating brains still asking for dates. Who taught him 1914. That's the height of his delusion.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote a publication of JWs that mentioned a specific date and say RAPTURE will take place that day!

Running helter skelter as usual. He is even using the word rapture

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

you can look up the publications for yourself, i believe the quotes i have read and posted are accurate,
and i believe jwfacts..com and carm..org etc. have honestly quoted jw publications,
you are just fearfully running from the truth, of course:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

He has to run

Kingsempires:
mister maxindhouse don't be angry at my question;


So how do you know that Jesus started ruling heaven since 1914 ?


Is it prove from the bible?

Proof from the Bible . You will only reap lies and manipulations regarding that

MaxInDHouse:
His disciples asked him saying:

“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" Matthew 24:3

In some translations the highlighted in red is rendered sign of your coming but the Greek word they translated is closely related to presence than coming.

According to that verse Jesus' presence as King of God's Kingdom in heaven is what they are asking for since no human on earth can see what is happening in heaven but the sign is what we will feel here.

Jesus' response at Matthew 24:4-14 began happening on earth since the year 1914 just as the Bible said that Satan was ousted in heaven and the earth will be in trouble. Revelations 12:7-12

Just plug 1914 into the scripture that's the proof

MaxInDHouse:
Every eyes here doesn't mean the literal eyes rather seeing what Jesus stood for through the activities of his (real) disciples on earth. Act 1:8

Today throughout the earth people are seeing the real Jesus as they are now treating his real disciples exactly the way they treated him and his disciples in the first century!

Awon masters of telling us what is literal and figurative

Kingsempires:
but there are so much things that have happened even before the 20th century

I tire oooo

MaxInDHouse:
That's a lie!
People may deceive themselves thinking they are smart but there has never been a time the Good News of PEACE about Jesus' Kingdom was preached by peace loving people to this extent globally! Matthew 24:14

So don't allow anyone to continue deceiving you!

Paul said MaxInDHouse is a liar and manipulator

But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God’s servant to proclaim it.

Collect the receipt of your lies

Kingsempires:
I always wonder if their is any true religion?

That's exactly what Satan designed to piss you off from identifying the true Christian group!

Petalss:
If you had unquestioningly accepted the interpretation given to you by your Alfa from the beginning, you likely wouldn’t be the person you are today.

Let’s consider it this way: I’ve consulted with three different individuals on a particular interpretation, and each confidently claimed theirs was the correct one. Eventually, I encountered you, who provided what I now recognize as the absolute and true interpretation. If I had accepted the very first person’s interpretation without questioning or even engaging others, I would have never been open to considering yours, no matter how truthful or accurate it is.

You might think I’m merely trying to entertain myself or create a situation where two Christians argue with one another. But I say to you, from such debates or even entertainment, the truth often emerges. It is through questioning, discussion, and sometimes disagreement that we can uncover what is genuinely true.

If truthfully that's what you are doing then you don't have to mention my name when taking ideas from others because i will prove to you that only Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth.

Instead of allowing them to dribble you just ask of the name of the church that's practicing what each person believes at least that should tell you whether it's each person's personal idea or the result of a research made by a team of believers! Matthew 18:20

achorladey:
Paul said MaxInDHouse is a liar and manipulator

But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God’s servant to proclaim it.

Collect the receipt of your lies

If you don't want the truth there's no reason to waste my precious time on you but to make everyone know that you don't understand what Paul meant answer these two questions:

When did Paul die?
When did the Bible reach America?

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus is saying here means perfection is what we need to gain everlasting life remember that scriptures said:
ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
It's sin that made us fall short of God's glory so we must become perfect in other to regain the lost glory but that's not possible unless we are given a long time to learn from Jesus and know where we are lacking in order to completely put away that old personality and put on the new one {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's what the thousand years reign of Christ will make possible.
Most of you don't know and instead of asking {Matthew 7:7-8} you just feel that claiming you believe in Jesus or shouting his name makes you a believer.
For your information Jesus will reign for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:1-5} and he must hand over back to his God and Father {1Corinthians 15:26-28} it means within that thousand years everyone living on planet earth must become like Jesus in thoughts, words and actions during that time whoever feels he or she doesn't need Jesus will only live as a youth for a hundred years after their resurrection and such ones will die without getting sick or growing old {Isaiah 65:20} why? Because such ones despised God's purpose for everlasting life! John 3:16

So for now nobody can become perfect within the short lifespan we have what God requires of us now is MEEKNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS {Zephaniah 2:2-3} with that we will be granted a Visa to be in the Kingdom of Christ under his 1,000 years reign {Luke 23:43} where we will not be troubled by sickness, death, criminals or confusion of false religions because by then Satan would have been completely rendered inactive! Revelations 20:1-3

You could have misquoted and misinterpreted ipreaching assuming I preached to you on the possibility of being perfect if I analyzed and :-highlighted the selfsame in line with what Jesus [/b]taught as Matthew 5 has its account. My preaching would have been invalid and of no effect if I derailed or deviated from the selfsame and on the SERMON I prepared. However, Jesus

MaxInDHouse:
What Jesus is saying here means perfection is what we need to gain everlasting life remember that scriptures said:
[b]ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
It's sin that made us fall short of God's glory so we must become perfect in other to regain the lost glory but that's not possible unless we are given a long time to learn from Jesus and know where we are lacking in order to completely put away that old personality and put on the new one {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's what the thousand years reign of Christ will make possible.
Most of you don't know and instead of asking {Matthew 7:7-8} you just feel that claiming you believe in Jesus or shouting his name makes you a believer.
For your information Jesus will reign for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:1-5} and he must hand over back to his God and Father {1Corinthians 15:26-28} it means within that thousand years everyone living on planet earth must become like Jesus in thoughts, words and actions during that time whoever feels he or she doesn't need Jesus will only live as a youth for a hundred years after their resurrection and such ones will die without getting sick or growing old {Isaiah 65:20} why? Because such ones despised God's purpose for everlasting life! John 3:16

So for now nobody can become perfect within the short lifespan we have what God requires of us now is MEEKNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS {Zephaniah 2:2-3} with that we will be granted a Visa to be in the Kingdom of Christ under his 1,000 years reign {Luke 23:43} where we will not be troubled by sickness, death, criminals or confusion of false religions because by then Satan would have been completely rendered inactive! Revelations 20:1-3

You could have misquoted and misinterpreted preaching assuming I preached to you on the possibility of being perfect if I analyzed and highlighted the selfsame in line with what Jesus taught as Matthew 5 has its account. My preaching would have been invalid and of no effect if I derailed or deviated from the selfsame and on the SERMON I prepared. However, Jesus CONCLUDED the possibility of being perfect having highlighted ways through which it could be achieved in that passage.

CONCLUDED the possibility of being perfect having highlighted ways through which it be achieved.
One, man's righteousness is no way compared to
God's for He is Our Sun of righteousness; our righteousness is like a dirty rag(Isa. 1:18). Yet, Isaiah informs us we should learn to do good in verse 17. Doing that good involves loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and your neighbors which is the first law of God not man's. Pursuit of peace with all men and being a peacemaker is another criterion of which without no one can see God(Heb 12:14). The fruit goes on like this in conformity with living above the flesh. Absence of anyone or deliberate act of not striving to have all the fruit is 100% in harmony with James word:

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2 : 10


Jesus himself says John 8:51 thus:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
John 8 : 51

The main point which I am emphasising and according Jesus word is that we should STRIVE AND STRUGGLE TO have the fruit of the spirit x until death. Being Christ-like in this world of sin involves constant fight with the flesh. A servant can't tell or instruct his master what to do_he can't tell his master he would do 2 out of 10 works he gives him. I remember when I was in primary school when my extracurricular teacher gave us 6 Mathematics problems which involved steps to solve in which I struggled to score 5 over 6. The teacher, a Hausa man flogged me six strokes of cane for not getting the sixth right. So, what are we talking about!

It's unacceptable to say no human can't be perfect. It's not man's righteousness that would save him, it's God's. DO YOUR BEST IN TRUTH AND LEAVE THE REST. SHALOM.

Petalss:
➜Your point raises an interesting perspective, but I believe there's a distinction between translation and interpretation. Even with a translation in one’s native language, interpretation can still be necessary because languages often carry nuances, idioms, cultural contexts, and historical backgrounds that may not be immediately clear to a modern reader.
➜However, I must admit that it’s quite concerning how different people interpret scripture, especially when some claim that one needs the Holy Spirit to properly understand it. While that may hold little truth, I firmly believe that not every word in Scripture is meant to be taken literally. By using common sense and examining the context of each chapter, it becomes clearer what should be interpreted literally and what should be understood metaphorically. This approach helps in developing a balanced and meaningful understanding of the text.

If I were speaking to a group of students without much exposure to the terms and terminologies associated with a particular area of expertise, then, yes, an interpretation would be required in the same language. For instance, while giving a talk to a bunch of non-marine scientists, a marine scientist would need to engage in extensive interpretation of marine science-related materials to get his particular message across. If I were trying to convince a five-year-old of how eating his vegetables and fruits is essential to keeping his body healthy and strong, I would need to interpret the information I have to suit his particular level of understanding. This points to an interpretation of this kind being, much like an opinion, personal or of private understanding. It is to this end that it becomes necessary to value it against the original message which is what should instead matter.. An interpretation's value,/worth should be based on how much it conforms/fits with the beginning/ original message. If the end message does not mirror— 100%— the original message then the interpretation is worthless and meaningless and should be tossed out completely.

Another thing I notice is that same-language interpretations seem only necessary when there are disparities in the informational comprehension levels of those to receive the message. A marine biologist is on a level different from his non-marine biology audience, and an adult is on a whole different level from his 5-year-old student. Those at the higher levels are left providing interpretations to those lower on the scale. Do such scales exist when it comes to Scripture? 🤔

2. You mention the use of figures of speech such as metaphors in language expressed in Scripture. Isn't this common sense though since the use of figures of speech is found in literally every language on the planet? Why does the existence of them in language — since the very first languages even —need to be made to seem as though it changes the meaning of what was written? 🤔

Here's an example metaphor translated from the Greek language to English found in John 21. Jesus Christ used the metaphor "Feed my sheep..., take care of my sheep." Does the existence of this metaphor in the original language which was then translated to English change the as-is interpretation of the message in some way? How does one go about comprehending what is written even in that passage as-is if not by paying close attention to everything else contained in the same book and context provided by the speaker? 🤔

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK now who is the liar?

Please next time don't run after Max because i am a million times more intelligent than you.

Goodbye!

Self righteousness and praise

Petalss:
➜ This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I’m not seeking contradictions or attempting to challenge anyone unnecessarily; rather, I am genuinely interested in understanding various perspectives on this matter. Hearing and considering different points of view enriches the conversation and helps us grasp the full context of the topic at hand.
See how interpreting the phrase "every eye shall see him," is literally explained by ....and he cite Matthew 24:27, which states, "For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

But here's the obvious problem with the interpretation he gave you, lighting cannot be seen everywhere. If I am in the Humboldt Park area of Chicago for example, and lightning strikes in the Irving park area of the same Chicago, or even somewhere up in somewhere in Harwood, chances are almost 100% that I will not see it, even if at night.

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't want the truth there's no reason to waste my precious time on you but to make everyone know that you don't understand what Paul meant answer these two questions:

When did Paul die?
When did the Bible reach America?

Lies packed into your brains exposed. That's what you call truth

The agenda before you preaching has not reached every part of the world since the existence of God's people. Had you removed lies and manipulations packed into your brains you will know that the world does not revolve round that your religious organization and that the people that you know as America today didn't disappear into the world in 1914

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what Satan designed to piss you off from identifying the true Christian group!

We know that your true Christian group don't exist in your lying and manipulating brains

Petalss:
Thank you for your response. However, I believe it's important to approach this question logically. How would people across the entire Earth be able to see Jesus descending from the clouds simultaneously?

Using basic logic, even the Sun–which is approximately 1.3 million times larger than Earth–cannot be seen by everyone on Earth at the same time due to the planet's curvature and rotation.

So, how plausible is it for Jesus to literally descend from the clouds and be visible to people on opposite sides of the globe?

Would this require a supernatural phenomenon beyond human comprehension, or could it be symbolic rather than literal? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this since you said it literal.

If one believes in God's supremacy for God is Almighty, then know one wouldn't limit Him to human thinking, logic( even some logical statements seem to be foolish sometimes; arrival at the conclusion having examined their
premises without being biased would make them valid),and philosophy (the love of study) of this present age. First of all, we were taught in Geography that the Sun rises and sets but I IN REALITY, THE SUN NEITHER RISES NOR SETS. The Sun releases its enormous energy NON-STOP to the earth. The Sun DOES NOT MOVE OR ROTATE AS DO ALL OTHER PLANETS; IT STANDS STILL though scientists have made us to believe that in spite of non-drifting, it rotates on its axis. Geographical locations induces one to think in the direction of the likelihood of the the race of man, I mean the peoples of the earth not to see Jesus when he comes in the cloud the second time.

Instances of power and existence of the living God defiling processes of nature:
Moses parted the red sea. He struck a rock and water gushed out.
Elijah commanded fire should consume the captains and their fifties, it was so. He prayed unto YHWH, fire consumed both water and before the prophets of Baal.

Joshua prayed that the moon and Sun should stay. His voice was heard and it was so.

Jesus commanded the storm of the sea be still. It was so.

If sons of men prayed to Almighty God and natures' processes and functions were defied, how would the Creator Himself who gave boundaries to all natural forces not able to do more supernaturally.


Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
Psalm 104 : 9

In Isaiah 34:4, we have:

And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
Isaiah 34 : 4

There is now possibility of a large number of peoples of the earth to communicate with one another at the same time using videoconferencing and telepresence in real time. If this is practical in technology and with man, it is also possible with God who gives man the wisdom in real time. So, it not symbolic but literal:

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Acts 1 : 11

Captain4Jehovah:
It's unacceptable to say no human can't be perfect.

Please mention one perfect man in the Bible!

achorladey:
Lies packed into your brains exposed. That's what you call truth

The agenda before you preaching has not reached every part of the world since the existence of God's people. Had you removed lies and manipulations packed into your brains you will know that the world does not revolve round that your religious organization and that the people that you know as America today didn't disappear into the world in 1914

When did Paul die?
When did the Bible reach America?

achorladey:
😂🤣😂🤣😂😂 and not about a religious organization calling itself Jehovah's organization aka God's organization the only channel God is using to dispense truth

Which is actually one of the many organizations like Catholic church which Satan uses to dispense Lies and death.

Petalss:
Thank you for your response. However, I believe it's important to approach this question logically. How would people across the entire Earth be able to see Jesus descending from the clouds simultaneously?

Using basic logic, even the Sun–which is approximately 1.3 million times larger than Earth–cannot be seen by everyone on Earth at the same time due to the planet's curvature and rotation.

So, how plausible is it for Jesus to literally descend from the clouds and be visible to people on opposite sides of the globe?

Would this require a supernatural phenomenon beyond human comprehension, or could it be symbolic rather than literal? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this since you said it literal.

What else is the meaning of miracles, and the statement, nothing is impossible with God?

Wait till that Day then after all it would soon be here.

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention one perfect man in the Bible!

See how you prove that, jws are devils in pretendng at your pleasure not to know bible again.

Not surprising after all you people even believe that it is right to Lie

https://www.nairaland.com/7822145/jws-believe-it-right-lie#125455243

God mentioned 3 perfect man, Noah, Daniel, Job

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you prove that, jws are devils in pretendng at your pleasure not to know bible again.
Not surprising after all you people even believe that it is right to Lie
https://www.nairaland.com/7822145/jws-believe-it-right-lie#125455243
God mentioned 3 perfect man, Noah, Daniel, Job

Always calling everyone devil for having faith that differs from your self-centered thinking.

Just quote where it's written.
Thanks!

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is actually one of the many organizations like Catholic church which Satan uses to dispense Lies and death.

😂🤣😂😂

MaxInDHouse:
When did Paul die?
When did the Bible reach America?

Year 2020

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention one perfect man in the Bible!

The Jesus in your Bible is not perfect don't ask me the when in the Bible it was stated so

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you prove that, jws are devils in pretendng at your pleasure not to know bible again.

Not surprising after all you people even believe that it is right to Lie

https://www.nairaland.com/7822145/jws-believe-it-right-lie#125455243

God mentioned 3 perfect man, Noah, Daniel, Job

No be the same religious organization told members can believe the lie to preserve unity at all cost

MaxInDHouse:
Always calling everyone devil for having faith that differs from your self-centered thinking.

Just quote where it's written.
Thanks!

When you were calling others all sorts of names for not dancing to the tune of your lies and manipulations your brains don't know it is SELF CENTERED THINKING.