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sonmvayina:
Forget those people....I don't believe they existed..

Prove to me that Jesus existed.

Mention one person that actually saw him.

He fed 5000+ and nobody in the crowd could write to record it...

Common man
I know your passionate about it, but you are wasting your life on a lie...

Now let's establish a base point.
From your initial statement above you stated you don't believe they(Cleopatra and Caesar) existed hence you invariably deny external history.

Any thing that doesn't happen in your time or specifically you don't see it then you don't believe in it!

That's good!👀

Hence you shouldn't be scientific neither enjoy the privileges of the democracy because those that supposedly invented them do not exist or according to you!

You don't believe they existed.

But truth is absolute whether you believe they existed or not.

And if all evidence points to the truth - that they existed then you are a liar and a denier of truth!

I don't follow your ideology!
I follow the truth

and whether you believe it or not that's your business.
There are methods; scientific of methods of determining the truth!

And the bible passes such methods!
It passed the historical validity test, it passes internal composition test!

Hence if I were to use your beloved example of Harry Potter, it will never pass the historical test hence it will always and forever more be a work of fiction!

My dear brother you are confused!

Gabrielshow24:
Now let's establish a base point.
From your initial statement above you stated you don't believe they(Cleopatra and Caesar) existed hence you invariably deny external history.

Any thing that doesn't happen in your time or specifically you don't see it then you don't believe in it!

That's good!👀

Hence you shouldn't be scientific neither enjoy the privileges of the democracy because those that supposedly invented them do not exist or according to you!

You don't believe they existed.

But truth is absolute whether you believe they existed or not.

And if all evidence points to the truth - that they existed then you are a liar and a denier of truth!

I don't follow your ideology!
I follow the truth

and whether you believe it or not that's your business.
There are methods; scientific of methods of determining the truth!

And the bible passes such methods!
It passed the historical validity test, it passes internal composition test!

Hence if I were to use your beloved example of Harry Potter, it will never pass the historical test hence it will always and forever more be a work of fiction!

My dear brother you are confused!

I don't care about those people..

Whether they existed or not is not our argument here..

Prove to me that Jesus existed.
Tell me one person who saw him and what he wrote. I need a first person narrative...

Not a third person.....story. I need an eye witness evidence...of none. Then we will both agree that he was created later one ...by the Romans /Greeks..
The Jewish Messiah, will be a man with both father (from the line of David through Solomon his son ) and a mother who is Jewish..
Not God impregnating another man's wife. That is the greatest ever on the creator of heaven and earth....
Jesus was created to insult the God of the Jews just as Daniel prophesied in 9:25.

Come out of it and follow the commandments of your creator..

dinomcjohn:
Who is the greatest person that walked the face of the earth?

Ánobi Yisa Sofoluwe.

sonmvayina:
I don't care about those people..

Whether they existed or not is not our argument here..

Prove to me that Jesus existed.
Tell me one person who saw him and what he wrote. I need a first person narrative...

Not a third person.....story. I need an eye witness evidence...of none. Then we will both agree that he was created later one ...by the Romans /Greeks..
The Jewish Messiah, will be a man with both father (from the line of David through Solomon his son ) and a mother who is Jewish..
Not God impregnating another man's wife. That is the greatest ever on the creator of heaven and earth....
Jesus was created to insult the God of the Jews just as Daniel prophesied in 9:25.

Come out of it and follow the commandments of your creator..

How do you expect God to send his holy one?
Do you expect God to send his holy one through the union of man and woman?

Or perhaps you think God too unclean that he should have coitus with his own creation in order to create a son?

If the very same concept exists abundantly in nature don't you think it plausible it should be the optimal route of sending his "holy one"

Also even if he decided to send his messiah through the union of man and woman; whosoever that is will always be referred to as the son of so so and so!

You also seem to forget that the gospel is an eye witness account of Jesus based on his disciples!

Gabrielshow24:
That's rather harsh to say.
Claiming to be the real disciples and relegating others as false. You have your views and interpretations which may or may not be wrong.

What is the name of your own church?

If you can't mention then know that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christian group!

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your own church?

If you can't mention then know that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only true Christian group!

One thing I know for sure is that all christian sects claim to be "the only true" Group or followers.

Even Islam has such claim "true followers of Jesus"

But under scrutiny it falls apart.
Taking a cursory look at JW one thing stands out your relegation of Jesus to the corner which undermines core christian doctrines and some over the top posits.

Mind you when all write an exam, all believe they are going to do well.

But the matter is not for them to judge but their markers but there are schemes or methods that allows us to check the credibility of a statement!

While JWs have some outstanding characteristics as regards evangelism and others that doesn't diminish some of the flaws in your doctrines!

I tolerate my fellow brothers, I don't say whether Catholic, Pentecostals, JW's, Mormons etc are the true Christian group.

Because in the first place all(christians) should be true but doctrinal differences and interpretations have caused this divide.

And to answer your question I attend kingsword

Gabrielshow24:
One thing I know for sure is that all christian sects claim to be "the only true" Group or followers.

Even Islam has such claim "true followers of Jesus"

But under scrutiny it falls apart.
Taking a cursory look at JW one thing stands out your relegation of Jesus to the corner which undermines core christian doctrines and some over the top posits.

Mind you when all write an exam, all believe they are going to do well.

But the matter is not for them to judge but their markers but there are schemes or methods that allows us to check the credibility of a statement!

While JWs have some outstanding characteristics as regards evangelism and others that doesn't diminish some of the flaws in your doctrines!

I tolerate my fellow brothers, I don't say whether Catholic, Pentecostals, JW's, Mormons etc are the true Christian group.

Because in the first place all(christians) should be true but doctrinal differences and interpretations have caused this divide.

And to answer your question I attend kingsword

What is the name of your own church?

If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's a big problem o!

Gabrielshow24:
How do you expect God to send his holy one?
Do you expect God to send his holy one through the union of man and woman?

Or perhaps you think God too unclean that he should have coitus with his own creation in order to create a son?

If the very same concept exists abundantly in nature don't you think it plausible it should be the optimal route of sending his "holy one"

Also even if he decided to send his messiah through the union of man and woman; whosoever that is will always be referred to as the son of so so and so!

You also seem to forget that the gospel is an eye witness account of Jesus based on his disciples!

Prove to me Jesus existed and somebody actually saw him..

I don't need you to insult the creator of the universe....

sonmvayina:
Prove to me Jesus existed and somebody actually saw him..

I don't need you to insult the creator of the universe....

How then did you expect someone to see him in this generation and even though they saw him your fallacy of "Exactness" will still not let you to believe!

What's your conclusive proof that all the records that depicts and confirms Jesus is hoax when it is only based on your "hunch👀"?

You can see how your foolishness is being displayed for all to see!

Gambling away your destiny without empirical proof.


All modern day historians have come to a logical fact that the character named Jesus existed!

But some wannabe self made theologian/historian in some remote parts of Nigeria says otherwise🤦

Gabrielshow24:
How then did you expect someone to see him in this generation and even though they saw him your fallacy of "Exactness" will still not let you to believe!

What's your conclusive proof that all the records that depicts and confirms Jesus is hoax when it is only based on your "hunch👀"?

You can see how your foolishness is being displayed for all to see!

Gambling away your destiny without empirical proof.


All modern day historians have come to a logical fact that the character named Jesus existed!

But some wannabe self made theologian/historian in some remote parts of Nigeria says otherwise🤦

You are finding it hard to believe you are wasting your life over a lie. So you are fighting tooth and nail to insult me...

My guy, Jesus was created by the Roman cabals to control people as emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire...

sonmvayina:
You are finding it hard to believe you are wasting your life over a lie. So you are fighting tooth and nail to insult me...

My guy, Jesus was created by the Roman cabals to control people as emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire...

Without an iota of proof you just made a baseless claim!

Bring out your burden of proof that Jesus never existed!

Gabrielshow24:
With an iota of proof you just made a baseless claim!

Bring out your burden of proof that Jesus never existed!

That's the problem..

There is no proof to present that he existed.....
I don't have to prove a negative...

You are the one saying he existed....present it..

I can't provide evidence for the existence of Harry Potter except the books by JK Rowling's.

There is no evidence for Jesus except the gospel stories...

Do you understand now?

sonmvayina:
That's the problem..

There is no proof to present that he existed.....
I don't have to prove a negative...

You are the one saying he existed....present it..

I can't provide evidence for the existence of Harry Potter except the books by JK Rowling's.

There is no evidence for Jesus except the gospel stories...

Do you understand now?

Shut up guy!
You are just committing circular reasoning.
Going in circles.

Bring out one single proof.
I have Tacitus, Josephus, The letters of Mar🤔 Bar, lucian, Thallus, phlegon and lots of letters from 1st and 2nd century.

Now bring out yours!

Gabrielshow24:
Shut up guy!
You are just committing circular reasoning.
Going in circles.

Bring out one single proof.
I have Tacitus, Josephus, The letters of Mar🤔 Bar, lucian, Thallus, phlegon and lots of letters from 1st and 2nd century.

Now bring out yours!

Which of those people met him? Did they mention he was born by a spirit and all the miracles he performed..
I want somebody who met him...not second hand information. Those do not count...
You want me to believe those who created him.

Or you are talking because you don't want your mouth to smell.

Or they are talking about a religion

sonmvayina:
Which of those people met him? Did they mention he was born by a spirit and all the miracles he performed..
I want somebody who met him...not second hand information. Those do not count...
You want me to believe those who created him.

Or you are talking because you don't want your mouth to smell.

Or they are talking about a religion

First of all, there goes your pathetic statement of Jesus being fictional!

Secondly, the historian Josephus and Tacitus were contemporaries of Jesus!

So what's your point?
Or because you and I have not met physically that's why I can't record of your insanity? 🤷🏾‍♂️

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, there goes your pathetic statement of Jesus being fictional!

Secondly, the historian Josephus and Tacitus were contemporaries of Jesus!

So what's your point?
Or because you and I have not met physically that's why I can't record of your insanity? 🤷🏾‍♂️

So are you saying that among the 5000+ men he fed, nobody could write?
I want something like...
Jesus fed us with fish and bread today...I ate to my satisfaction...I was among those who gathered the remnants..."
Something like this or with similar words.. and such works preserved for us....it will put people like Kenneth Humphreys out of business.....and I will go from mythicist to knower(not believer) it means it is now fact and becomes part of my knowledge. Just as I know that the locus of points equidistant from a point is a circle.

Compliments of the season Sir. Merry Christmas. It's a day of joy. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is born today. Glory be to God.

Luke 2: 11,14

And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

sonmvayina:
So are you saying that among the 5000+ men he fed, nobody could write?
I want something like...
Jesus fed us with fish and bread today...I ate to my satisfaction...I was among those who gathered the remnants..."
Something like this or with similar words.. and such works preserved for us....it will put people like Kenneth Humphreys out of business.....and I will go from mythicist to knower(not believer) it means it is now fact and becomes part of my knowledge. Just as I know that the locus of points equidistant from a point is a circle.

🤦🤦🤦your pathetic fallacy of ignorance(argumentum ad ignorantiam) is alarming!!!

The same way survivors of 9/11 have made thousands of books about it 🤔.

You see how stupid you sound?

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🤦🤦your pathetic fallacy of ignorance(argumentum ad ignorantiam) is alarming!!!

The same way survivors of 9/11 have made thousands of books about it 🤔.

You see how stupid you sound?

Are you comparing Jesus to the survivors of 9/11?

Are you saying that the son of god made an appearance and nobody knew about it.

Did the gospel story not say his stories went as far as Syria. So no one even kept anything for us. All we have are stories written by anonymous authors...

Common man...don't tell me you are dumb. Because that's the vibes I am getting.

sonmvayina:
Are you comparing Jesus to the survivors of 9/11?

Are you saying that the son of god made an appearance and nobody knew about it.

Did the gospel story not say his stories went as far as Syria. So no one even kept anything for us. All we have are stories written by anonymous authors...

Common man...don't tell me you are dumb. Because that's the vibes I am getting.

Evident to the contrary, you are.

I haven't read hundreds of books written by 9/11 survivors and it's in this millennia how be it a further time from this.

Your oversimplification failed to take a lot of things into account.

All were not historians in that age, not all kept records; most kept oral traditions!

Only scribes and learned could write and create records.

So your point is baseless.
The same way many people didn't write books about knowing Obama or Trump.

Gabrielshow24:
Evident to the contrary, you are.

I haven't read hundreds of books written by 9/11 survivors and it's in this millennia how be it a further time from this.

Your oversimplification failed to take a lot of things into account.

All were not historians in that age, not all kept records; most kept oral traditions!

Only scribes and learned could write and create records.

So your point is baseless.
The same way many people didn't write books about knowing Obama or Trump.

So are saying that God could not raise anybody to follow Jesus around to document his message, at least now, we would have had only one denomination. No, all we have are contradictions and thrash written by anonymous authors..they did not even tell us where they got their information from.
Common boy...your brain is not for decoration. Use it

sonmvayina:
So are saying that God could not raise anybody to follow Jesus around to document his message, at least now, we would have had only one denomination. No, all we have are contradictions and thrash written by anonymous authors..they did not even tell us where they got their information from.
Common boy...your brain is not for decoration. Use it

Now this is foolishness and arguing from ignorance once again!!!

His disciples such as Peter, Paul and other apostles documented his message!!!

There are only two reasons why they was no written records about Jesus during his life time.
1. Either he was an unknown Jewish wanderer who wanted some radical changes to Orthodox Judaism. And his stories was exaggerated after his death with a little myth thrown in here and there...
2. He never existed.

Only 2 seems plausible...and I am leaning towards it.

Gabrielshow24:
Now this is foolishness and arguing from ignorance once again!!!

His disciples such as Peter, Paul and other apostles documented his message!!!

Hahahahahaha...very funny.

Those names where added by the Catholic Church.
Why are they no written in the first person?

And Paul's Jesus was never on earth, no mention of anything in the gospel. Apart from the evening meal, which probably was added by a redactor..as it disturbs the flow of the story.

Gabrielshow24:
Now this is foolishness and arguing from ignorance once again!!!

His disciples such as Peter, Paul and other apostles documented his message!!!

Those people never existed too...
They were all made up by the Roman Catholic Church

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Jesus says we should put out trust in God. Our Father in heaven knows all we want and He will take care of all our needs.

Come to Jesus today. It's a decision will be forever glad you made. God bless us all. Amen

harqinhola:
Even as a Christian , I can argue that Jesus was not the greatest man to walk the surface of earth . Google is your friend . Do your research .

then you are not a Christian