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| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 7:57pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Having to utilise history proves my point 😂. Europeans don’t as much crime as black. The western countries with higher black populations like France, UK, USA have more crime. Blacks are like 50% of the homicides in the US😂😂 continue defending killers That list showed the countries were largely black. Look at the tally |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:00pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:Oh, now the Carribeans are successful Uncle Tom?, i thought they were not originally... The fact is that those Nations are been long successful after being largely controlled by a Black majority for a long time, this goes against all your narrative, the Nations didn't stagnant, they grew even better, so shut up Uncle Tom. I guess Brain Drain is an issue in India too, who could have thought... Now, i'm definitely expecting an askewed rhetoric again, about why Indians braindrain is not like the Carribeans😂😂😂, the stats. are coming round in circles buddy
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| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:01pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Alright, let’s keep this super casual and straight to the point: 1. “India’s growth is only happening because it has a billion people.” Yeah, India has no choice but to grow with its huge population—but actually pulling it off is the impressive part. Managing 1.4 billion people isn’t easy. • Think about it: India lifted 415 million people out of poverty—that’s more than the entire U.S. population. Getting electricity to almost everyone, building roads, and scaling up industries at this size is a massive task. • And it’s not just about India—it’s shaping the world. Its IT industry runs global businesses, its pharmaceutical sector makes affordable medicine, and it’s literally keeping supply chains moving. Key Point: Just because they have to grow doesn’t mean it’s easy. It takes real work to pull off progress at this scale. 2. “India’s global presence feels underwhelming with such a big population.” This argument doesn’t really hold up. Global influence isn’t just about per capita income—it’s about how a country impacts the world: • India’s IT industry powers companies everywhere. Need tech support or software? Chances are an Indian company is behind it. • India’s pharma industry supplies vaccines and medicines globally—when the world needs affordable healthcare, they look to India. • On the diplomatic stage, India is in groups like the G20 and BRICS, helping shape global policies and partnerships. Key Point: India’s global presence might not look flashy, but its impact on industries and international systems is massive. 3. “India’s progress isn’t impressive when you consider its size.” Let’s be real—managing 1.4 billion people isn’t the same as running a small country. India started out in 1947 with: • A drained economy thanks to British colonial rule. • Millions displaced by partition, plus violence and chaos. • No industrial base, no infrastructure, and an agrarian economy. Despite all that, India has built a diverse economy that spans agriculture, manufacturing, tech, and more. It’s building infrastructure for cities, towns, and villages at a scale most countries can’t even imagine. Key Point: India’s size doesn’t make its progress less impressive—it makes it a way bigger deal. Growing at this scale is a whole other challenge. 4. “It’s not spectacular because they have to grow due to their size.” Just because India needs to grow doesn’t mean it’s easy. Plenty of big countries haven’t managed it: • Nigeria has 220 million people but struggles with poverty and inequality. • Pakistan has 240 million but faces constant economic instability. • Even Brazil with 215 million people hasn’t made the same kind of impact globally. India’s ability to take its size and turn it into an advantage—like building a massive workforce and creating industries that matter globally—is what makes its growth stand out Yeah, India has a huge population, but that’s exactly why its progress is so impressive. Lifting millions out of poverty, becoming a global leader in industries like IT and pharma, and managing this kind of scale isn’t just “expected.” It’s a massive achievement, and calling it underwhelming doesn’t really hold up when you look at the reality But whether or not you want to accept it, there is no successful black society out there. Like it or not, blacks are only violent and poor. most Caribbean nations are not doing well overall, despite some having specific areas of strength like tourism or high GDP per capita. Here’s why: 1. Overreliance on Tourism • Most Caribbean nations, like Jamaica, Barbados, and the Bahamas, rely heavily on tourism, which makes their economies fragile. • Global events like the COVID-19 pandemic showed how easily these economies collapse when tourism dries up. Hurricanes and climate change are also constant threats. 2. High Debt Levels • Many Caribbean nations struggle with crippling public debt. For example: • Barbados has public debt over 100% of its GDP. • Nations like Jamaica have faced financial crises, requiring international bailouts. 3. Brain Drain • A lot of the brightest talent from Caribbean nations moves abroad for better opportunities. • For example, Jamaica and Guyana rely heavily on remittances from citizens living in the U.S. and UK, which highlights the lack of domestic economic opportunities. 4. Inequality and Limited Growth • Even in countries with higher GDP per capita, like the Bahamas or Barbados, wealth is often concentrated in certain sectors, leaving large portions of the population struggling. • Growth in many nations is slow and doesn’t translate into broad-based prosperity. While some Caribbean nations might seem successful on paper, their heavy reliance on tourism, high debt, and structural weaknesses show that most are not truly thriving. Their economies are fragile and lack the resilience or diversification needed for long-term success |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:05pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:You know, they actually also said that Barbados have a diversified economy, Oh, Sugar exports, Tourism, and Finance, seems they're doing pretty well for their size, can't say the same about the other country compared to its size... That is not on paper dude, shut on, that is just stats., what?, stats. are just analytical papers now?😂😂😂🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️🙆🏾♂️, this guy actually biasely twist things more than some White supremacists that i've seen. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:07pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:No wrong again, most carribean nations aren’t doing well. The ones that are either western territories or have that development because of the west. 1. “These nations have been successful under Black leadership for a long time.” Yeah, countries like Barbados and Jamaica have been run by Black leaders for decades, and they’ve definitely made progress. But let’s not forget—they started with a head start thanks to what the British left behind. • Stable Governments: The British handed them functioning parliamentary systems that gave them political stability right from the start. A lot of post-colonial nations didn’t get that luxury. • Education: The British emphasis on education left these countries with high literacy rates, which helped them build better societies. • Tourism Infrastructure: Ports, roads, and systems built during colonial times became the backbone of the tourism industry that Caribbean nations rely on today Black leadership never does well. It’s like saying SA is black sucess. The carribean and SA are white succes. I’m not an uncle tom because I recognise Asian and Latin sucess. Black sucess doesn’t exist. Get that into your skull. 2. “These nations didn’t stagnate—they grew even better.” True, many Caribbean nations have grown since independence, but their progress is still tied to what the British left behind. • Tourism: Their biggest moneymaker—tourism—depends on the infrastructure and global connections set up during British rule. Without those foundations, building a tourism-based economy would’ve been much harder. • Trade Networks: The British integrated these nations into global trade systems, and even now, a lot of their tourists and investors come from Commonwealth countries like the UK and Canada. • Commonwealth Perks: Staying in the Commonwealth gives them access to trade deals, aid, and cultural ties that help boost their economies. 3. “The British are largely responsible for their success.” You can’t deny how much of the Caribbean’s success ties back to the British: • Governments: They inherited stable political systems and functioning legal frameworks. That’s a huge advantage compared to countries that had to figure out governance from scratch. • Tourism: The British laid the groundwork for ports, resorts, and tourism-friendly infrastructure. Caribbean countries built on this, but the base was already there. • Education: Literacy rates and solid public schooling didn’t appear overnight—they came from systems the British set up. Key Point: The British influence is mostly why Caribbean nations were able to grow. And they still ain’t succesful.Sure, they’ve built on it, but they didn’t start from zero. The Brits did most of it. I’m tired of having to prove that. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:07pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:The U.S public debt is about the same as their GDP, many countries are like this, stop this rubbish.
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| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:11pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:1. “The U.S. debt is about the same as its GDP, and lots of countries are like this.” Yeah, the U.S. debt is high—it’s around 100% of its GDP. But here’s the thing: not all debt is equal, and the U.S. is in a completely different league compared to most countries. • The Dollar is King: The U.S. dollar is the world’s reserve currency. That means other countries and investors actually want to hold U.S. debt because it’s seen as super safe. The U.S. can borrow money at super low interest rates without people panicking. • Strong Economy: The U.S. has the biggest economy in the world and a crazy amount of global influence. That gives it the confidence and ability to manage its debt without falling into crisis. Key Point: High debt isn’t a problem for the U.S. like it might be for other countries because people trust its economy and its currency. You’re comparing apples to oranges. The U.S. Can Handle Its Deb where The Caribbean Struggles • U.S. Debt (~100% of GDP): The U.S. borrows in its own currency (the dollar), which is the global reserve currency. Countries and investors want to buy U.S. Treasury bonds because they’re seen as the safest asset in the world. • The U.S. can afford high debt because its economy is massive and diversified, with industries like tech, defense, energy, and finance driving global markets. • Even with a lot of debt, the U.S. still gets low-interest loans because everyone trusts it to pay back. • Caribbean Debt: Many Caribbean nations also have debt levels close to or exceeding their GDP, but the situation is much riskier for them: • Borrowing in Foreign Currency: Caribbean countries often borrow in dollars or euros because their local currencies aren’t trusted globally. This means they’re vulnerable to exchange rate fluctuations and rising interest rates. • Small Economies: Countries like Barbados or Jamaica rely heavily on tourism, which is highly unpredictable. When global travel stops (like during COVID-19), their economies collapse, but the debt still needs to be paid. • High Interest Rates: Because they’re seen as riskier borrowers, Caribbean nations pay much higher interest rates on their loans compared to the U.S. Key Point: The U.S. has the resources and global trust to handle its debt. Caribbean nations don’t, which makes their debt far more dangerous Debt in the Caribbean = A Fragile Economy • Many Caribbean nations have public debt levels exceeding 100% of GDP, just like the U.S. But the difference is how it impacts their economies: • Barbados: Debt was over 120% of GDP before restructuring in 2018. The country required an IMF bailout, which came with austerity measures that hit its citizens hard. • Jamaica: At one point, Jamaica’s debt was over 140% of GDP, leading to severe cuts in public spending and a reliance on remittances from its diaspora. • Tourism Dependency: Caribbean nations rely heavily on tourism (30–50% of GDP in some cases). If tourism dips, they have no fallback to generate revenue and pay down debt. • In contrast, the U.S. has a diverse economy that isn’t dependent on a single sector. Even during global crises, it continues to generate revenue from industries like tech, pharmaceuticals, and finance. Key Point: Caribbean economies don’t have the flexibility or resilience of the U.S. economy, making their debt a much bigger problem. When Caribbean nations can’t handle their debt, they often turn to international lenders like the IMF, which impose austerity measures. What Happens? Austerity measures mean cutting public spending on things like healthcare, education, and infrastructure to free up money for debt payments. This slows economic growth and makes life harder for citizens. • Example - Barbados: To restructure its debt in 2018, Barbados had to cut public sector wages, freeze pensions, and introduce new taxes, which hit the average citizen hard. The U.S. doesn’t face these issues because it has more control over its debt and the global economy. Key Point: Caribbean nations are stuck in a cycle where high debt leads to austerity, which makes it harder for their economies to grow. Why the U.S. Debt Is Less Risky • Global Trust: The U.S. dollar is the backbone of global trade, and U.S. debt is seen as one of the safest investments worldwide. Caribbean nations don’t have that kind of trust—most investors see them as risky. • Economic Size and Diversity: The U.S. has a $26+ trillion economy driven by a mix of industries, while most Caribbean nations rely on one or two sectors, like tourism or banking Thus stop talking out of your ass |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:13pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:Hmm, many Asian colonies started with stable government... Bro, a stable government is not left behind by the colonists, it is started by the Natives. "Tourism: The British laid the groundwork for ports, resorts, and tourism-friendly infrastructure. Caribbean countries built on this, but the base was already there. Education: Literacy rates and solid public schooling didn’t appear overnight—they came from systems the British set up." All colonies had this groundwork, they were all left behind by the colonists... This systems are all things colonists left behind in their colonies, what the f*ck are you even on about right now. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:14pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:😂😂😂, shut the Bleep up, a public debt on par with the GDP is not an expection, it's the norm in a lot of countries... Idiot... Barbados even managed to reduce theirs by 6% last year, the U.S has only kept soaring. Many countries are like this, it's the opposite of astute reason from you, you should know what the opposite of astute means😂😂😂. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:15pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Facts is not white supremacy. I will not stop telling your until you realise that black success is a myth. It only exists in the minds of delusional Afrocentrists like you. It doesn’t, has never existed and will never exist. , Barbados’ economy might seem “diversified” on the surface—sugar exports, tourism, and finance—but let’s be real: it’s not as balanced as it sounds. Tourism dominates everything, making up 30–50% of their economy. That’s not true diversification. If tourism takes a hit, like it did during COVID-19, the whole economy struggles. As for sugar exports, it’s barely a thing anymore. The industry’s been in decline for decades, and it doesn’t contribute much to the economy today. Finance? Sure, it brings in money through offshore services, but it’s a fragile sector that depends on staying competitive in a world where low-tax havens are constantly being scrutinized. Now, Barbados is doing alright for its size, but let’s be honest—when you’re managing an economy for just 300,000 people, it’s way easier to keep things running smoothly. Compare that to India, which has to deal with 1.4 billion people. That’s a whole other league of challenges. And let’s not forget, Barbados has almost no global impact. Its economy might work for its small size, but it doesn’t drive industries or influence global markets the way India does. India, on the other hand, is shaping entire sectors like IT, manufacturing, and pharmaceuticals that affect the entire world. As for the “stats are just paper” argument—come on, that’s just nonsense. The numbers matter because they tell the story. Barbados’ GDP is around $5 billion, while India’s is $3.7 trillion. Barbados’ exports? About $450 million, mostly rum, sugar, and tourism services. India? $770 billion, spanning everything from tech services to pharmaceuticals to machinery. It’s not even close. Managing a tiny population like Barbados’ is impressive in its own way, but it’s a completely different game than running a massive, complex economy like India’s. So yeah, Barbados might look good for its size, but it’s heavily reliant on a few fragile industries and doesn’t have the kind of global influence or impact that India does. Comparing the two is like comparing a small business to a multinational corporation—they’re just playing on totally different levels. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:19pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Yeah, having public debt around the same level as GDP might seem normal because a lot of countries have high debt-to-GDP ratios, but the difference is how that debt is managed and what backs it up. The U.S., for example, can handle it because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency—everybody wants to hold U.S. debt. They also have a massive, diverse economy that can absorb shocks and still keep growing. Now, compare that to the Caribbean. Countries like Jamaica or Barbados have similar debt ratios, but they don’t have the same safety net. They borrow in foreign currencies, so if their exchange rate tanks, their debt becomes way harder to pay back. Plus, their economies are heavily reliant on fragile industries like tourism. One bad hurricane or a global crisis like COVID-19, and they’re scrambling for IMF bailouts with austerity measures that hurt their citizens. Debt isn’t just about the numbers—it’s about who can afford to carry it. The U.S. can keep borrowing because the world trusts its economy. The Caribbean? Not so much. Their debt is way riskier, and that’s the key difference. Carribean countries can’t handle their debt 😂 Alright, let’s keep this simple and real: Caribbean countries, for the most part, struggle to handle their debt, and when things get bad, they often have to turn to the IMF or world bank for help. Take Barbados, for example. In 2018, their debt hit over 120% of their GDP, and they couldn’t keep things running. They had to go to the IMF for a bailout, which came with tough conditions—cutting public sector wages, freezing pensions, and adding new taxes. It wasn’t pretty, and people felt the squeeze. Their heavy reliance on tourism didn’t help either, because if tourism dips, like during COVID-19, their economy basically crumbles. Jamaica’s another case. They’ve gone to the IMF several times, like in 2010 and 2013, because their debt was out of control—at one point over 140% of GDP. To stay afloat, they had to make huge cuts to public spending. Even now, their economy leans heavily on remittances from Jamaicans living abroad, which shows how limited local opportunities really are. Smaller nations like Grenada and St. Kitts have also needed IMF bailouts because their economies are so fragile. The problem is, many of these countries borrow in foreign currencies like the dollar or euro, so if their own currency weakens, paying back that debt becomes a nightmare. Add to that their dependence on tourism or a single export, and they don’t have much room to recover when something goes wrong. So yeah, Caribbean nations often struggle to manage their debt. Unlike bigger, more diversified economies like the U.S., they don’t have the same global trust or financial stability. When trouble hits, they’re stuck scrambling for help, and it’s a cycle that’s hard to break. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:20pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:"So yeah, Barbados might look good for its size, but it’s heavily reliant on a few fragile industries and doesn’t have the kind of global influence or impact that India does. Comparing the two is like comparing a small business to a multinational corporation—they’re just playing on totally different levels." Shut the Bleep up bro, for their size, it's not f*cking fragile and they're doing very well with it... Like i told you before, it's not the fault of smaller Nations that India couldn't curve their high population a long time ago... Estonia is categorically better than India, Barbados is better, Barbados is better, Namibia is better, Botswana is better, Singapore is better, and whatever smaller Nations out there. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:21pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Saying that “all colonies had stable governments or systems left behind” is just not true. Most colonizers weren’t interested in leaving their colonies in good shape—they built systems to exploit resources, not to create functioning societies. Take India, for example. The British left behind railways and bureaucracy, but those weren’t for the benefit of Indians—they were to extract resources and control the population. When they left, India had to rebuild almost everything: a fractured society, a devastated economy, and no real industrial base. Stable government? They had to figure that out themselves post-independence, while dealing with the chaos of partition. Now, the Caribbean’s case is different. Colonies like Barbados and Jamaica had smaller, more focused populations, which made it easier for the British to set up governance systems that lasted. They introduced parliamentary frameworks and education systems that were less about extraction and more about managing these smaller territories effectively. When these countries gained independence, they didn’t have to completely reinvent the wheel like India or African nations did—they already had functioning political and legal systems to build on. Tourism is another example. The British didn’t just leave random ports in the Caribbean—they built infrastructure specifically designed to tie these islands into global trade and tourism. The Caribbean didn’t start from scratch; they expanded on what was already in place. Sure, other colonies got ports too, but they weren’t tailored for long-term economic success the same way. In short, not all colonial legacies are the same. The Caribbean inherited a stronger foundation—governance, education, and infrastructure—than many other colonies, which is why their progress looks smoother. It doesn’t mean they didn’t work for their success, but the starting point made a huge difference.The British did Most of it for the Carribeans |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:22pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:Let that trouble hit first, until then, they are better, this is a very stupid argument from you, the fact is from all statistical merits, they are better, they have a better standard of living for their Citizens than India has ever thought to have; give it a rest, or are you no longer the stats. guy anymore?... I am done with you. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:24pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:First off, small nations have way fewer people to manage, which makes it way easier to keep things running smoothly. Barbados, with its 300,000 people, doesn’t have to worry about creating jobs, housing, and healthcare for 1.4 billion people. It’s like managing a small company vs. running a global corporation—it’s just not the same scale or complexity. For their size, yeah, Barbados and others are doing well. But that doesn’t make them “better.” It just means their challenges are easier to handle. Now, the argument that “it’s not smaller nations’ fault India didn’t control its population” is irrelevant. India’s population isn’t a “failure”—it’s a fact of history. India didn’t inherit a stable system like some smaller nations did. After independence, they had to rebuild from scratch while managing a billion people and lifting millions out of poverty. What’s impressive about India is the scale of what it’s achieved. It’s not just running its economy for its own population—it’s shaping global industries like IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing. Estonia or Botswana don’t have that kind of global impact, no matter how well they manage their size. And let’s talk “fragility.” Sure, small countries like Barbados look stable, but their economies are incredibly vulnerable. They rely heavily on tourism or single industries, which makes them fragile when crises hit—like COVID-19 shutting down travel or climate change impacting island nations. India, on the other hand, has a diversified economy. Even when one sector struggles, others keep the country moving forward. So no, small nations aren’t “better” just because they have higher per capita numbers or seem more stable. Their success is limited to their size. India’s progress, despite its challenges, impacts billions of lives and shapes the global economy. Comparing them is like saying a boutique café is better than a multinational corporation because it has fewer problems—it’s just not the same playing field. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:27pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:The British didn't do most of it, are you dumb... you talk about Infrastructure, go and take a look at the Philippines under Colonial rule... This Nations became independent, and majorly strived on their own, you must be a fool not to realise that... I do agree with you that some colonies were left better of than others, but to say the reason they are were they are right now is majorly because of the White Man is outright lunacy. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:28pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:"Their success is limited to their size. India’s progress, despite its challenges, impacts billions of lives and shapes the global economy" 1.43 Billion people, if this isn't the minimum, that country is completely in the gutters. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:28pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Alright, let’s talk about this honestly. Yes, smaller countries like Barbados or even Botswana have better statistical averages for things like GDP per capita or standard of living. I’m not denying that. If you’re just looking at numbers on paper, sure, they might seem “better.” But let’s dig a little deeper because that surface-level comparison doesn’t tell the whole story. First off, those stats are easier to achieve when you’re dealing with tiny populations. Barbados has about 300,000 people. India has 1.4 billion. Managing quality of life, public services, and infrastructure for a population that small is on a totally different level than trying to lift hundreds of millions out of poverty while running one of the largest economies in the world. India’s challenges are massive because of its scale, and it’s unfair to compare that to countries that don’t even have to worry about those issues. And let’s not pretend that these smaller nations are invincible. Barbados and other Caribbean countries rely heavily on fragile industries like tourism. If tourism takes a hit—whether from a pandemic, a hurricane, or global economic shifts—those “better” stats can collapse overnight. India, on the other hand, has a diversified economy. It’s not just depending on one sector to survive. It has IT, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, manufacturing—you name it. That’s why India can take hits and keep moving forward. Now about the standard of living. Sure, Barbados or Botswana might have a better average. But you can’t compare lifting millions of people out of extreme poverty to tweaking the quality of life for a small population. India’s progress is monumental, even if it doesn’t look perfect on paper. It’s not about being “the stats guy” or not—it’s about understanding scale and impact. Thinking India and the Caribbean are on the same level is just wild. The Caribbean might look good now, but they don’t have the same resilience or global influence. India, for all its challenges, is shaping industries, lifting millions, and playing on a global stage in a way the Caribbean can’t even begin to match. It’s not about dismissing the Caribbean’s success—it’s about understanding that “better” on paper doesn’t mean “better” in the big picture. COVID-19 exposed this big time. Most of these countries rely heavily on tourism to keep their economies afloat, and when global travel shut down, their main source of income completely dried up. Barbados, for example, saw its economy shrink by 18% in 2020 because tourism collapsed. That’s almost one-fifth of their entire economy gone in a single year. People lost jobs, businesses shut down, and the government had to scramble for solutions. Now compare that to India. Did India get hit hard by COVID? Of course—it’s a massive country, and the pandemic caused real suffering. But the economy didn’t completely fall apart because India doesn’t rely on one fragile sector like tourism. Even during the pandemic, its IT industry kept thriving, global pharmaceutical companies kept running, and agriculture kept feeding millions. By the time things started bouncing back, India was already moving forward again because its economy is diversified and built to withstand shocks like this. And this brings us to the “better standard of living” argument. Sure, Barbados might have a higher GDP per capita, but it’s not like they’re pulling people out of poverty at the scale India is. India lifted over 400 million people out of extreme poverty in just a couple of decades. That’s a level of progress no small country like Barbados or Botswana could even attempt because they don’t face challenges of that magnitude. Managing the quality of life for 300,000 people is one thing—doing it for 1.4 billion is a whole other story. So yeah, smaller nations might seem “better” when you just glance at the stats, but their economies are way more fragile. COVID showed us that their whole system can collapse with one global crisis. India, for all its challenges, keeps moving because it’s built to handle shocks like that. Thinking Barbados or Botswana are truly “better” just ignores the scale and complexity of what India is dealing with—and the massive progress it’s made despite it all. But I’ve already you told that neither Botswana, SA or the carribean count as they are white successes. Just accept it that blacks can’t build a civilisation. This is a fact well accepted. And you just don’t want to accept it. I’ve already explained that the British are responsible for the carribean’s development and as to how unique the carribean was to other colonies. Much of the carribean is still under western control. Bermuda is the richest but that’s a UK territory. Black ‘success’ is non existent😭😂 Accept it |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:30pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Nigeria and Pakistan should also have the same GDP😭😂 First off, just having a huge population doesn’t automatically mean progress happens. If anything, it makes things harder, not easier. Look at other populous countries like Nigeria (~220 million) or Pakistan (~240 million). They’re struggling with poverty, economic instability, and governance issues on a much smaller scale than India. A big population isn’t some cheat code for success—it’s a massive logistical and economic challenge. Now let’s talk about what India’s actually achieved. Over the last few decades, it’s lifted over 400 million people out of extreme poverty. That’s more than the entire population of the U.S. It’s not just the bare minimum—it’s an enormous task that most countries with smaller populations haven’t even come close to pulling off. Add to that, India’s managing to do this while building industries that matter globally, like IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing. These aren’t just local wins—they’re reshaping global markets. It’s doing china numbers And let’s not ignore what happens when a large population isn’t handled well. If India were “in the gutters,” you’d see widespread chaos—failing institutions, food insecurity, or economic collapse. Instead, you have a country that’s become the 5th largest economy in the world, delivering goods and services that the entire globe depends on. That’s not “minimum effort”—it’s a massive feat. The argument that population alone should guarantee progress doesn’t hold water. A large population is just as much a risk as it is a resource, and India has done the work to turn it into an advantage. Managing 1.43 billion people while lifting millions out of poverty, building a diverse economy, and leading in global industries is anything but th |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:34pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:I agree that colonies like the Philippines, or others under colonial rule, often had to rebuild and strive on their own post-independence. But the Caribbean’s case is different because the British influence shaped a lot of the foundation that those nations built on. Saying the British “didn’t do most of it” misses the mark when you look at the specifics. Take infrastructure. The Philippines, like many colonies, was exploited under colonial rule, with systems designed solely for extraction. Post-independence, they had to essentially start from scratch to create a functioning, self-reliant economy. The Caribbean, however, was left with a stronger setup. The British established ports, roads, railways, and legal frameworks that weren’t just for extraction but tied these nations into global trade and tourism networks. Barbados didn’t have to invent tourism infrastructure—it inherited it. That’s not to say they didn’t innovate, but the groundwork was there. Governance is another big one. The Philippines gained independence after a long period of conflict and instability, with no proper systems of governance handed over. Caribbean nations like Barbados and Jamaica, on the other hand, inherited parliamentary systems and stable legal frameworks from the British. These systems gave them political stability right out of the gate, which is a massive advantage when you’re trying to grow an economy. And education—let’s not forget that. Caribbean nations benefited from the British emphasis on literacy and public schooling. By the time they gained independence, countries like Barbados already had some of the highest literacy rates in the region, giving them a huge head start in workforce development and economic growth. Compare that to colonies that had to build education systems from scratch post-independence, and the difference is clear. Look, I’m not saying the British did everything or that Caribbean nations didn’t work hard post-independence. They absolutely did. But to deny that the British influence—through governance, infrastructure, and education—didn’t do most of the work in shaping their success is just ignoring the facts. The British left them in better shape than most colonies, and that foundation made it a lot easier for them to succeed. It’s the same reason with South Africa, it’s only successful because of the whites. If not it would be worse than Nigeria. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:34pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:Do you notice as you never mentioned Estonia or the rest i called, i purposely added them to that list, wow, you never fight off that bias huh. When Sir Seretse Goitsebeng Maphiri Khama took over as President of Botswana, the Country was literally a destitute Nation, the literacy rate was at 6% or so... He started the total Revamp of the entire country... But i guess to you, it's the white man😂😂😂, this guy is truly the embodiment of an Uncle Tom. The Carribbeans were just like any other Colonised country, Britain didn't leave a stable government, they did their own stable government... No colonist can predict how a form of government will be; Netherlands leaves Indonesia and they immediately renegade on the Papua issue... All these Nations have majorly been successful since their sovereignty, and thats thanks to themselves Uncle Tom... Countries like Indonesia, Philippines were one of the better left off colonies, i guess their success is due to the White man then. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:40pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:When i said look at the Philippines, the Philippines were actually one of the most striving South-East Asian colonies during their colonial rule... There was Infrastructures, and everything. That's why i asked you that i guess that their decent success is actually due to the white man then.
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| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:42pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Estonia? Sure, it’s a small country that’s done incredibly well for its size, but comparing Estonia with 1.3 million people to India or even a Caribbean nation like Jamaica is just not the same. Its challenges were totally different—it’s in Europe, surrounded by wealthy, stable nations, and it joined the EU, giving it access to massive economic support and markets. So yeah, Estonia deserves credit, but let’s not pretend it’s the same playing field. Now, Botswana. Yes, when Sir Seretse Khama became president, Botswana was in rough shape—low literacy, little infrastructure—but the country struck gold with its diamond reserves. That income funded its development, and Khama’s leadership deserves praise for managing it well. But here’s the thing: not every country gets lucky with resources like diamonds. It’s not that “the white man” deserves credit here, but Botswana’s success is very specific to its resource wealth and smart leadership—it’s not some universal blueprint for success that applies to every country. Botswana is tiny as it has just over 2 million people. Managing a small population is way easier than running a country with 1.4 billion people. It’s like comparing running a small family business to managing a global corporation. The challenges are completely different The Caribbean, though, is where you’re oversimplifying. Britain didn’t leave those islands in chaos like they did in some colonies. The Caribbean inherited parliamentary systems, legal frameworks, and functioning institutions. Were those systems perfect? No. But they gave these nations a level of stability that countries like Indonesia didn’t get. Yes, Caribbean leaders built on that foundation, but the foundation mattered. It did most You can’t just say they “did it all themselves” because the truth is, the British did most of it. They laid the groundwork. And about the “all colonies were the same” argument—come on. Every colony didn’t inherit the same conditions. Indonesia and Papua renegotiating deals is an example of chaos left behind by the Dutch, but that’s not what happened in Barbados or Jamaica. The Caribbean’s relatively smooth transition was helped by systems the British put in place, like functioning parliaments and high literacy rates. That doesn’t mean the people didn’t work hard post-independence—they absolutely did—but it’s not the same as rebuilding from scratch like other nations had to. They had most of the work done for them So no, this isn’t about being an “Uncle Tom” or crediting the colonizers for everything. It’s realising that’s its latency down to British involvement. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:46pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Again apple to oranges comparisons 😂 The Philippines during colonial rule had infrastructure and some development under the Spanish and later the Americans, sure, but all of that was built for the benefit of the colonizers, not the Filipinos. The Spanish exploited the land and people, and the Americans built infrastructure mostly to serve their own military and economic needs. When the Philippines gained independence, they were basically starting from scratch. Their success today comes from their own efforts—rebuilding, innovating, and figuring it out on their own, not from any solid foundation left by the colonizers. The Caribbean, though, is a totally different story. When the British left, they handed over functioning systems—parliamentary governments, legal frameworks, and a solid education base. By the time they gained independence, places like Barbados already had high literacy rates and trade systems set up that they could actually use. Ports, roads, and even the beginnings of tourism were already in place, making their transition much smoother. The Philippines is more like India in this sense—they had to do the heavy lifting themselves after independence. The Caribbean, on the other hand, got a mostly done by the British whom left them with tools and systems they could build on. That’s the difference—one had to start from scratch, and the other had a foundation to work with. It doesn’t take away from the work Caribbean nations have done, but it’s clear they had advantages that countries like the Philippines and India didn’t. The British did most of the work vs the Philippines and South Asia that had to do it from scratch. It’s an apples and oranges comparison 😭🤣 |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:47pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:"Now, Botswana. Yes, when Sir Seretse Khama became president, Botswana was in rough shape—low literacy, little infrastructure—but the country struck gold with its diamond reserves. That income funded its development, and Khama’s leadership deserves praise for managing it well. But here’s the thing: not every country gets lucky with resources like diamonds. It’s not that “the white man” deserves credit here, but Botswana’s success is very specific to its resource wealth and smart leadership—it’s not some universal blueprint for success that applies to every country. Botswana is tiny as it has just over 2 million people. Managing a small population is way easier than running a country with 1.4 billion people. It’s like comparing running a small family business to managing a global corporation. The challenges are completely different" But you literally acknowledged the White man for Botswana's success, do you see how much of a changing hypocrite you are?, i'm actually loving the hypocrisy... You are not beating the Uncle Tom allegations anytime soon, the narrative changes that fast with you, now it's gone from "Botswana's success was due to the White Man", to "It's not that the White Man deserves Credit here".🤦🤦🤦😂😂😂... I can do this all day, this is the holidays. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:51pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:"The Philippines during colonial rule had infrastructure and some development under the Spanish and later the Americans, sure, but all of that was built for the benefit of the colonizers, not the Filipinos". I think you lack understanding, read that picture i sent to you again of how colonialism actually brought wealth to several islands... These were for the white man for the Philippines, but not for the white man for the Carribeans😂😂😂... All infrastructures made by the White men were for the White men during Colonialism, they were all just left behind😂😂😂. Philippines were left in a good shape, by your rhetoric their success were from the White Man too, because the foundations were started by them. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:52pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Sorry I confused the carribean and Botswana in my response but having diamond wealth and solid leadership under Seretse Khama—played a huge role in Botswana’s growth. The British influence? It was there, but it wasn’t the driving factor admittedly. If anything, Khama and his government deserve the majority of the credit for using those diamonds wisely and not falling into corruption like many resource-rich nations. The point is, I’m not being hypocritical—I’m recognizing that every country’s post-colonial story is different. Botswana succeeded largely because of how it managed its resources and leadership post-independence, while places like the Caribbean benefited more directly from the systems the British left behind and just throwing “Uncle Tom” around doesn’t change the facts And as I said before botswanna is not what you think Botswana gets a lot of credit for being one of Africa’s success stories, and sure, it’s done well managing its diamond wealth and maintaining political stability. But let’s not pretend it’s some universal blueprint for success or that its growth is as impressive as people make it out to be. The reality is that Botswana’s small population—just over 2 million—and its diamond reserves gave it a huge head start that most countries simply don’t have. It’s a lot easier to manage growth when you’re working with a small population and a steady stream of money from a valuable resource like diamonds. And here’s the thing: Botswana’s reliance on diamonds is a double-edged sword. While it’s been managed better than in many other resource-rich countries, the economy is still heavily dependent on those diamonds. If the global diamond market takes a hit or the reserves run out, Botswana’s economy doesn’t have much else to fall back on.it’s screwed It’s not exactly a diversified economy driving global innovation or manufacturing—it’s largely resource-based. That’s not sustainable long-term, and it’s not on the same level as countries that have built complex, diversified economies from the ground up. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:57pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:So let me indulge you for a moment, if i go with your rhetoric, it still means they are false of No successful Black Society... Because even by your Uncle Tom rhetoric, there's clearly been one that is still striving, always having great Economic growth, and all that🤷🤷🤷, so which means your rubbish ever since is false. As for the Uncle Tom, you are actually the first person i'm purposely using this word on, and by every account, you deserve it. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:58pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Yeah, colonial powers like Spain in the Philippines and Britain in the Caribbean built infrastructure during their rule—roads, universities, ports, all of that. But here’s the thing: in the Philippines, all that infrastructure was built for the colonizers, not for the Filipinos. Spain used the Philippines as a hub for their own trade and profit, with no real intention of setting up the country for success after independence. When Spain and later the U.S. left, the Philippines was politically unstable and economically weak, with no real systems in place for self-rule. They basically had to start from scratch and figure everything out on their own. Now look at the Caribbean. Yes, the British exploited the region, but when they left, they handed over systems that actually helped these countries after independence. They had functioning parliamentary governments, legal systems, and even a pretty educated population. Those things gave Caribbean nations a head start—they didn’t have to rebuild governance or basic infrastructure from the ground up like the Philippines did. That’s a huge difference. The idea that “colonialism was just for the White man” is true to an extent—colonial powers didn’t build things out of generosity. But what they left behind mattered. In the Philippines, the infrastructure and systems were mostly useless for independence. In the Caribbean, what the British left behind—like education and governance—ended up being crucial for the progress they’ve made since. That’s why you can’t just lump them together. The Philippines grew despite its colonial past, while the Caribbeans is just because of the British. That’s the key difference. Get in your thick skull. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Derekmiles: 8:59pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Sladem05:Let that happen first?, just the same way your projections hasn't happened, let it happen first... So the question remains are they successful or not, the answer is yes... Case closed, shutup. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 9:02pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:act like it’s some miracle story. Most of their success comes from hitting the jackpot with diamonds, and while they’ve managed that wealth better than a lot of countries, it’s still just luck meeting decent leadership. Without those diamonds, the story would be very different. And here’s the kicker—it’s still a developing country and a middle income one at that’s High unemployment, inequality, and a heavy reliance on one resource make it clear they haven’t fully figured it out yet. For all the hype, they’re still working through the same struggles as many other nations, just on a smaller scaleThis is why I said you can’t compare impoverished and poor black regions to the rest of the world. All their economics are rubbish. It’s just natural resources or tourism. They don’t produce or export anything meaningful other than terrorism and violence and degenerate culture. |
| Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 9:04pm On Dec 14, 2024 |
Derekmiles:It already did😭😂😂 Thus Saying “let that happen first” doesn’t make sense because it already has happened. COVID was the perfect example. The Caribbean nations that rely on tourism, like Barbados and Jamaica, got hit hard. When global travel shut down, their economies basically collapsed overnight. Tourism makes up 30–50% of GDP for some of these countries, so when it disappeared, they were left scrambling. That’s not a hypothetical—it’s real, and it exposed how fragile their success is. Meanwhile, countries like India—despite being hit just as hard by COVID—managed to keep moving because their economy isn’t built on one single industry. Even during the worst of the pandemic, sectors like IT and pharmaceuticals were still running and even growing in some cases. That’s the difference. India’s economy, while far from perfect, has the resilience to handle global shocks like that. The Caribbean? Not so much So cry with your usesless black pride 😭😂 |
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