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Gabrielshow24:
You said the Torah is about two brothers the burden of proof is on you to show it.

Show that Jacob and Esau are indeed Enki and Enlil.

So with all the burden of proof you have been asked to provide, you have brought none!

Let's see how this one plays out👀

I don't have to prove a negative as the case of Jesus...

As per the Ea and Enlil connections to the Bible I will suggest you read this book.. very interesting.

Gabrielshow24:
Stop with the lies, Ezra didn't write Torah he only recompiled it!

From where?

There was no Torah before him.

Ezra was the one who created Judaism as the national religion of the Jews. He was asked to write it(probably by Cyrus) who God/Marduk used to free all the captives...

You are still in kindergarten when it comes to this matters..

LordReed:
Just like the people pestering today to heal amputees. LoLz.

God PROMISED Israelites that's why Jesus told the woman it's the fulfillment of God's promise to the Israelites and because the Messiah who will fulfill the promise was around the woman seized the opportunity but today Jesus is not here neither did God promised anyone such in our time!

MaxInDHouse:
God PROMISED Israelites that's why Jesus told the woman it's the fulfillment of God's promise to the Israelites and because the Messiah who will fulfill the promise was around the woman seized the opportunity but today Jesus is not here neither did God promised anyone such in our time!

When did God promise the Israelites that the Messiah will perform miracles?
Compare with Deuteronomy 13.

sonmvayina:
When did God promise the Israelites that the Messiah will perform miracles?
Compare with Deuteronomy 13.

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

Moses was known as the greatest prophet who performed miracles among the Israelites so another prophet like Moses will also perform great signs.

That's why Jesus told the woman that whatever power he has is strictly for the Israelites! Matthew 15:24-26

FxMasterz:
You're the liar guy. Tell me where I claimed I have a god!

Bwahahahahaha! Look at this comedian. You want to use semantics to deny your lying. OK lemme close that gap. You claimed your God has healed amputees and you later denied making that claim. You want to now twist it because I didn't capitalise god. You're a freaking joke. LMAFO!

Using lies to defend your beliefs. What a shame. LMAO!

MaxInDHouse:
God PROMISED Israelites that's why Jesus told the woman it's the fulfillment of God's promise to the Israelites and because the Messiah who will fulfill the promise was around the woman seized the opportunity but today Jesus is not here neither did God promised anyone such in our time!

LMAO! The god didn't promise but Jesus still purportedly healed her because she pestered, ehen the god should still do the same for the pesterers now na. LoLz.

sonmvayina:
I don't have to prove a negative as the case of Jesus...

As per the Ea and Enlil connections to the Bible I will suggest you read this book.. very interesting.

This is pure hocum!
You still haven't brought any burden of proof!

You are have no proof! nothing!, no evidence. Just straight up self delusion!

Is this what you have as proof for the connection between ea/Enlil and Jacob/Esau? 👀

I can even draw out more similarities than this.
When the blind lead the blind this is what you get!

"I don't have to prove a negative as the case of Jesus" - says the madman

In educational engagement when you bring a claim you substantiate it with evidence.

So far you have brought none and I repeat as a disclaimer someone should tag you as a self defeating liar and monger of lies!

By yourself you have no proof of what you say and when asked to provide proof you try to dodge by saying I don't have to prove anything!

LordReed:
LMAO! The god didn't promise but Jesus still purportedly healed her because she pestered, ehen the god should still do the same for the pesterers now na. LoLz.

So you can see that it happened for a reason not that God promised there will be miracles everywhere it was mainly for the Israelites and to happen during the time of the Christ.

THE ATHEISTS ARE BUILDING AI TO BANKRUPT THE HUMAN RACE.

IT IS INDISCIPLINE TO BE AN ATHEIST.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Look at this comedian. You want to use semantics to deny your lying. OK lemme close that gap. You claimed your God has healed amputees and you later denied making that claim. You want to now twist it because I didn't capitalise god. You're a freaking joke. LMAFO!

Using lies to defend your beliefs. What a shame. LMAO!

Yeah, now you're talking. I have a God. I don't have a god. No Christian has a god. We have a God. He does all things. He is The Almighty. The God who raised my brother to life in 1982 when he died after falling from a storey building. The God who delivered my life from death in 1988 when Cholera struck my body. The God who miraculously delivered us from a fatal accident in 1988 when we were face to face with a trailer as we returned from Lagos after attending a Deeper Life retreat. The God who reassigned the tooth of my daughter when she grew one in very odd places. I ordered the tooth to correct itself in the name of Jesus and it did. The God who helped my fiancee (now my wife) to pass a paper after she had submitted an empty answer sheet. She returned home to tell me she couldn't write anything because that paper was tough. I said "Lord, you wrote the 10 commandments for Moses, write this paper for her." She miraculously had a 'B' in that paper. The God who delivered my 2 children from death when they were young. My children were always within my gated compound but this very day, they opened the gates to go take a closer look at a passing train. I was in the room when the Lord said to me "Go to the sitting room and look out the window". I looked out the window and saw my two children aged 4 and 2 running towards the rail to go see the train whose coming sound they have heard. The train was already in view and my kids were just 2 meters away from the rail still running when I yelled out their names. They immediately halted, and God delivered us from a great tragedy. How many would I talk of His goodness and grace and the great deliverances which He has wrought for me and through me? The fool looking for amputees should keep searching. Testimonies abound. He'll surely find. The Eternal God of Israel lives.

Gabrielshow24:
I'm beginning to align myself with the community talk of you not being logically reasonable!

It is becoming clear to me that you don't know what you are talking about!

You say "Jesus is fictional" then bring out evidence for such a bold claim!

Throughout you have brought none👀

The existence of jesus is a hotly debated topic. However, scholars like the Josephus you mentioned earlier stated that a Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth did exist in the 1st century AD. The baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate are widely accepted as historical events. However, there is no evidence of his divinity or deity. If you have, please provide them

Gabrielshow24:
Are you a fool?
dele giwa that was blown to pieces have you met him?

Do you see your logical flaws?
You're conceding using the motte and bailey fallacy; moving your defense from his historic evidence to "those that saw him"

Which you think you can defend easily?
But you are mistaken because in fact most of all those that lived in the lifetime of Jesus, his disciples wrote about him.

Not only that historical writers dated to Jesus' time such as Josephus and Tacitus wrote of him.

Not only that years after the Babylonian Talmuds also record of Jesus.

No sire, the disciples didn’t write about him.
The authors of the books Matthew, Luke, Mark, John are all anonymous and they were written ages after Jesus supposedly lived. So how can they be first hand accounts?
This fact is common knowledge but for a dvmmy like you, its news

Gabrielshow24:
Your argument is self defeating!
Show me anyone that is 2000+ years old!

If anyone wanted to preserve anything what will they do?

Won't they not write?

You are truly as they say you are!
You are daft and hypocritical



All his disciples saw him in flesh!
What are you trying to get at exactly?
Or are you just parading your foolishness for the world to see?

Lol. They didn't. Those 'disciples' never existed either. Do a little bit of research, dvmmy

kingxsamz:
Sad thing is that he doesn't know that he's running mad. Or at least refused to believe it.

Many psychotic cases lack insight, sadly

kingxsamz:
No bro, you got it wrong. You believe in a creator called god, I believe in a creator called Unicorn. It's that simple. There's enough room for both of our imaginations to thrive.

in proof of what the thread is saying in that you atheists are stupid just like those who belief in elephants, and stones and wood.

Gabrielshow24:
🙃Witty but foolish

First of all, Mathematicians know their stuff and so far debating with you guys the contrary is obvious!

Under scientific scrutiny Noah's animal gathering seems implausible.

Secondly Noah didn't gather the animals bible records they came to him!

A difference which suggests some unexplained method or process whereby animals were made aware of their impending doom and somehow came to seek shelter.

There is no scientific basis for this exhibited character.

But time and again some certain animals have been known to seek shelter from external sources seeking human aid either due to some force majeure circumstances.

Irrespective of how it played it out!
It doesn't diminish the potency or capability of the Lord's power to do all things.

1. So now the animals came to Noah. Well, how the fvck did the polar bears in Antarctica, the llamas in South America, the gators in North America fly/jump all the way to a boat in the middle east? How?
2. The story of the Flood is so bleeped up, that its risible
Here's part of it…

19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

Chapter 7
The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth

Two sets of confusing instruction given by a supposedly omniscient being
The whole bible is replete with these kinda birdbrain instructions from your all-knowing Yahweh, but I'll stick to those related to the flood

jaephoenix:
1. So now the animals came to Noah. Well, how the fvck did the polar bears in Antarctica, the llamas in South America, the gators in North America f...

See how you prove you are very stupid as the thread says?

So as Mr. Toyoda has created the Camry and he destroyed it, he cannot create it again?

Gabrielshow24:
Don't be foolish if we had a common ancestor we will get the same effect with some slight variations.

It might have been common pseudo knowledge passed down by the sons of Noah.

Also The boat or ark built in the bible is more likely to float than the one talked about in the eluma elish!

Although current scientific consensus suggests a regional flood as opposed to global flood.

That lends credence to its historical validity and scientific inquiry.

It might not be global because for instance if Nigeria were to experience tsunami whosoever that lives will perhaps from his pov suggest the entire world was flooded because from his horizon he can only see rushing movements of water.

That's not the take home of the bible.
Just one of its numerous exemplary stories to draw out Godly moral values from!

1. What do you mean by the bolded? The Epic flood happened before the story of Noah. Besides, the Bible didn’t state that a previous global flood has already occurred

2. The story of the biblical flood was supposedly related by Yhwh to Moses. Its not humanly inspired. So all those your talk about a regional flood seeming global is all bullshit. No supernatural being would goof like that
3. How can credentials be lent by a global flood becoming local? There was even no such evidence of such flood
4. Assuming the flood was global or even local, what happened to all the dead bodies, animals etc? The ecosystem would be turned upside down. The decay would cause massive disease spread, the stench would persist for decades. Noah and his offspring wouldn't even be able to bury the corpses
5. And finally, where did all the water on the surface of the earth go to? The amount of sunlight needed to evaporate it would require decades of sun exposure. There is no way Noah and his folks would see land to live in after just one year of sunlight(according to the bible)
Even if you agree all the water evaporated, then there would be serious condensation and it would be raining for decades, cos the water vapor would overwhelm the cloud


Noah's flood is one of the most recognized Bible stories. According to the Old Testament, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11, English Standard Version).
As the text recounts, God saw wickedness within humans and sent a global inundation. Because Noah was righteous, God instructed him to build an ark for his family and save two of every beast, bird and creeping thing. But did Noah's flood really happen?
"The one thing we know for sure from geology is that a global flood never happened," said David Montgomery, a professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington in Seattle and author of "The Rocks Don't Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah's Flood" (W. W. Norton & Company, 2012). "If you look at it as literally a global flood that covered the world's highest mountains, I'm sorry, there's just not enough water on Earth to do that," he told Live Science.
If the "heavens" opened and all of the water in the atmosphere came down at once as rain, the planet would be submerged — but only to a depth of about 1 inch (2.5 centimeters), according to the U.S. Geological Survey. That's not enough water to justify a canoe, let alone a massive ark.
But what if more than the water in the "heavens" were considered? If all the world's glaciers and ice sheets were to melt, then sea levels would rise by more than 195 feet (60 meters), according to NASA, which would add a bit more water. Moreover, a 2016 study published in the journal Nature Geoscience estimated that there's 5.4 million cubic miles (22.6 million cubic kilometers) of groundwater stored in the upper 1.2 miles (2 km) of Earth's crust, which is enough to cover the land to a depth of 590 feet (180 m). That's a lot of water, but there are cities thousands of feet above sea level, and Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth, is more than 29,000 feet (8,849 m) above sea level. On top of that, geologists don't see evidence for a global flood in the rock record.
The biblical tale has other questionable sections. For example, Noah was 600 years old when the flood started — we know humans don't live that long — and most species wouldn't survive being reduced to just two animals as they wouldn't have enough genetic diversity to create a viable population. What's more, it's unclear how every animal would be capable of making it to the ark in the first place — imagine penguins waddling from Antarctica to the Middle East

The above is from LifeScience, a scientific and academic site

jaephoenix:
1. What do you mean by the bolded? The Epic flood happened before the story of Noah. Besides, the Bible didn’t state that a previous global flood has already occurred

2. The story of the biblical flood was supposedly related by Yhwh to Moses. Its not humanly inspired. So all those your talk about a regional flood seeming global is all bullshit. No supernatural being would goof like that
3. How can credentials be lent by a global flood becoming local? There was even no such evidence of such flood
4. Assuming the flood was global or even local, what happened to all the dead bodies, animals etc? The ecosystem would be turned upside down. The decay would cause massive disease spread, the stench would persist for decades. Noah and his offspring wouldn't even be able to bury the corpses
5. And finally, where did all the water on the surface of the earth go to? The amount of sunlight needed to evaporate it would require decades of sun exposure. There is no way Noah and his folks would see land to live in after just one year of sunlight(according to the bible)
Even if you agree all the water evaporated, then there would be serious condensation and it would be raining for decades, cos the water vapor would overwhelm the cloud


Noah's flood is one of the most recognized Bible stories. According to the Old Testament, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11, English Standard Version).
As the text recounts, God saw wickedness within humans and sent a global inundation. Because Noah was righteous, God instructed him to build an ark for his family and save two of every beast, bird and creeping thing. But did Noah's flood really happen?
"The one thing we know for sure from geology is that a global flood never happened," said David Montgomery, a professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington in Seattle and author of "The Rocks Don't Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah's Flood" (W. W. Norton & Company, 2012). "If you look at it as literally a global flood that covered the world's highest mountains, I'm sorry, there's just not enough water on Earth to do that," he told Live Science.
If the "heavens" opened and all of the water in the atmosphere came down at once as rain, the planet would be submerged — but only to a depth of about 1 inch (2.5 centimeters), according to the U.S. Geological Survey. That's not enough water to justify a canoe, let alone a massive ark.
But what if more than the water in the "heavens" were considered? If all the world's glaciers and ice sheets were to melt, then sea levels would rise by more than 195 feet (60 meters), according to NASA, which would add a bit more water. Moreover, a 2016 study published in the journal Nature Geoscience estimated that there's 5.4 million cubic miles (22.6 million cubic kilometers) of groundwater stored in the upper 1.2 miles (2 km) of Earth's crust, which is enough to cover the land to a depth of 590 feet (180 m). That's a lot of water, but there are cities thousands of feet above sea level, and Mount Everest, the highest mountain on Earth, is more than 29,000 feet (8,849 m) above sea level. On top of that, geologists don't see evidence for a global flood in the rock record.
The biblical tale has other questionable sections. For example, Noah was 600 years old when the flood started — we know humans don't live that long — and most species wouldn't survive being reduced to just two animals as they wouldn't have enough genetic diversity to create a viable population. What's more, it's unclear how every animal would be capable of making it to the ark in the first place — imagine penguins waddling from Antarctica to the Middle East

The above is from LifeScience, a scientific and academic site

1.
Whether epic happened before only suggests that the knowledge is more regional stemming from a common ancestor Incase you are not familiar the supposed book has more correlation with the tablets of atrahasis and even older book.

So what's your basis?
On some little correlation between two books.

Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation.

It's all over history.
I could as well draw correlation between the Vikings and the Aztecs they both did human sacrifice have similar forms of torture.

Or I can conclude the pyramids elsewhere were copied from Ancient Egypt!?

Do you know how foolish that sounds?
Hence you don't take some parts of the book and start crying plagiarism.

From your logic, I can the leopard must have been so fascinated that he copied the stripes of the cheetah.

Once again:
CORRELATION DOESN'T MEAN CAUSATION!

Even from the womb when you were 1-3months you looked no different from a baboon's embryo but are you a baboon?

2) it doesn't matter that in that region there are geological proofs that it occurred in that region!

Also "the great flood" is filled across all ancient civilizations!

But present scientific basis suggests that it was most likely regional!

It doesn't change the fact that it occurred no matter how you argue!

4) are you that dumb🤦?
It's a flood that persisted for days. 👀
Read the scientific implications of this your childish statement!

5) Are you foolish🤦?
Where does the matter of Tsunamis go to👀?

You keep exposing your folly

jaephoenix:
1. So now the animals came to Noah. Well, how the fvck did the polar bears in Antarctica, the llamas in South America, the gators in North America fly/jump all the way to a boat in the middle east? How?
2. The story of the Flood is so bleeped up, that its risible
Here's part of it…

19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

Chapter 7
The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth

Two sets of confusing instruction given by a supposedly omniscient being
The whole bible is replete with these kinda birdbrain instructions from your all-knowing Yahweh, but I'll stick to those related to the flood

How are they confusing? 👀
The second is more specific than the first!

Like I said am aware of the scientific absurdity but once again.
I say that it's not impossible.
There are multiple occasions of animals seeking shelter in human abodes.

Whether it happened on a larger scale there is no scientific evidence to it.

But the fact that the individual Characteristics of animal coming to man either for shelter, protection it's well tabulated and formulated in science!

jaephoenix:
Lol. They didn't. Those 'disciples' never existed either. Do a little bit of research, dvmmy

Now the burden of proof is on you.
Prove to me that these disciples don't exist! 🧐.

Since you and your colleagues like making baseless claims without any substantial evidence.

I have plethora of evidence to validate the existence of Jesus' disciples.

jaephoenix:
The existence of jesus is a hotly debated topic. However, scholars like the Josephus you mentioned earlier stated that a Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth did exist in the 1st century AD. The baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate are widely accepted as historical events. However, there is no evidence of his divinity or deity. If you have, please provide them

Now you are shifting your goalpost once again.
A colleague of yours believes Jesus doesn't even exist at all but you have now implied that he exists but your basis of argument has shifted to his divine nature!

At least we are getting somewhere🤭

Gabrielshow24:
It's my personal bias to debate mathematicians instead of you lot.
I find our conversations rather boring and repetitive with huge leaps and assumptions flying here and there.

If you feel offended, I understand it's not everybody that has the stomach to study mathematics in uni talk less of owning higher degrees in it!

I apologize if it sounds belittling but one thing you must have inferred from me is that I call a spade a spade!

I don't mince word if it's logical enough then it's true.
I don't beat around the bush, I tell you straight there is no scientific basis for this.
But it doesn't limit the theoretical capacity of an infinite God!

How do you know that such a god exists and why do you think he/she/they/it have an infinite capacity?

jaephoenix:
How do you know that such a god exists and why do you think he/she/they/it have an infinite capacity?

Can you see how your circular reasoning exhibits itself? 🤦

How then does he not have infinite capacity?
If the singularity is infinitely dense! 🧐

Why are you this foolish?
Simple reasoning confirms that if science claims the "universe" is infinite then whosever/whatsoever that brought about this has infinity has it(infinity) as one of its characteristics!

Or are we to use the judgement of Jae to decide whether God is infinite or not?

God forbid!
The elements/laws of truth, are sufficient to prove the pseudo existence of God!

LordReed:
LMAO. So the African giant snail slimed its way to the Middle East? What of the North American slug, how did it cross the ocean? Whatever magic you think your god used to get the animals from the far reaches of the earth to the middle east could have preserved all the animals without a boat. This is monumental plot hole just shows that the story is nothing but a story.

Why bother with all that magic?
He coulda just snapped his fingers Thanos-esque and all the world would be wiped out, instead of the boring, time-consuming exercise of magicking animals from all the earth, sending down rain over days, sending wind to blow the water etc etc. Heck, Thanos is even smarter than Yhwh. He did his in seconds. Yhwh's was weeks

jaephoenix:
Why bother with all that magic?
He coulda just snapped his fingers Thanos-esque and all the world would be wiped out, instead of the boring, time-consuming exercise of magicking animals from all the earth, sending down rain over days, sending wind to blow the water etc etc. Heck, Thanos is even smarter than Yhwh. He did his in seconds. Yhwh's was weeks

Abi o.

FxMasterz:
Yeah, now you're talking. I have a God. I don't have a god. No Christian has a god. We have a God. He does all things. He is The Almighty. The God who raised my brother to life in 1982 when he died after falling from a storey building. The God who delivered my life from death in 1988 when Cholera struck my body. The God who miraculously delivered us from a fatal accident in 1988 when we were face to face with a trailer as we returned from Lagos after attending a Deeper Life retreat. The God who reassigned the tooth of my daughter when she grew one in very odd places. I ordered the tooth to correct itself in the name of Jesus and it did. The God who helped my fiancee (now my wife) to pass a paper after she had submitted an empty answer sheet. She returned home to tell me she couldn't write anything because that paper was tough. I said "Lord, you wrote the 10 commandments for Moses, write this paper for her." She miraculously had a 'B' in that paper. The God who delivered my 2 children from death when they were young. My children were always within my gated compound but this very day, they opened the gates to go take a closer look at a passing train. I was in the room when the Lord said to me "Go to the sitting room and look out the window". I looked out the window and saw my two children aged 4 and 2 running towards the rail to go see the train whose coming sound they have heard. The train was already in view and my kids were just 2 meters away from the rail still running when I yelled out their names. They immediately halted, and God delivered us from a great tragedy. How many would I talk of His goodness and grace and the great deliverances which He has wrought for me and through me? The fool looking for amputees should keep searching. Testimonies abound. He'll surely find. The Eternal God of Israel lives.

LMAO! So you lied that the god has healed amputees. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

MaxInDHouse:
So you can see that it happened for a reason not that God promised there will be miracles everywhere it was mainly for the Israelites and to happen during the time of the Christ.

The god should heal amputees for a reason too na. Abi e too hard for am? LoLz.

LordReed:
LMAO! So you lied that the god has healed amputees. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

You act so naive!
is it based on ability; that you assume God can't do this? 🤦

The very nature that is prevalent in some reptiles🥱 so What's your point?

For an infinite God then it's not impossible!
It's very plausible contrary to your statement and there are accounts and reports of extraordinary healing taking place!

Theoretically, a lot of things are so and so but in reality they are not always so.

Does that diminish the fact that theoretically it's well laid out?

The theoretical stance of infinity includes all procedures and concepts both the ones discovered and the ones unknown!

It's all encompassing!

Gabrielshow24:
You act so naive!
is it based on ability; that you assume God can't do this? 🤦

The very nature that is prevalent in some reptiles🥱 so What's your point?

For an infinite God then it's not impossible!
It's very plausible contrary to your statement and there are accounts and reports of extraordinary healing taking place!

Theoretically, a lot of things are so and so but in reality they are not always so.

Does that diminish the fact that theoretically it's well laid out?

The theoretical stance of infinity includes all procedures and concepts both the ones discovered and the ones unknown!

It's all encompassing!

You LIED! Why did you lie?

Edit: This wasn't for you.