₦airaland Forum

missjekyll:
What do you mean doing worse? Do you have anything against people with no right to be in the country being deported?
Then you are very very wrong.

What was worse was your friends the tories seeking to transport asylum seekers to Rwanda without even processing their claims. Labour does not do that. Every single one of those 13000 did NOT deserve to be here

Jamesclooney:
Kemi is atrociously bad but I agree with your general point.

Labour doesn’t feel any different these days with figures like Keir Starmer, Rachel ‘from Accounts’ Reeves, David Lammy and Angela Rayner, to name a few. Perhaps it’s nostalgia, but I miss the era of truly formidable politicians on both the left and right. The same issue exists across the pond (Trump & Kamala). Or is it that the internet has stripped away the mystique surrounding politicians/leaders? Just feels like the bar has been lowered drastically.

Jamesclooney:
Kemi is atrociously bad but I agree with your general point.

Labour doesn’t feel any different these days with figures like Keir Starmer, Rachel ‘from Accounts’ Reeves, David Lammy and Angela Rayner, to name a few. Perhaps it’s nostalgia, but I miss the era of truly formidable politicians on both the left and right. The same issue exists across the pond (Trump & Kamala). Or is it that the internet has stripped away the mystique surrounding politicians/leaders? Just feels like the bar has been lowered drastically.

Zahra29:
Kemi makes an offhand comment in a personal interview about her experience growing up in Nigeria

Goodenoch:
On a different note - What do you think about Kemi's comments about how Northern Nigerians are her ethnic enemies?

Just curious ó. Not asking you to hold brief for her but just interested in seeing what you think about a potential UK prime minister thinking in terms of ethnic enmity about half of Nigeria, based on her decade or so of experience living there.

Does it concern you that she might have such bigoted views about UK ethnic groups or do you think that it's only Nigerians she sees in such reductive terms?

Jamesclooney:
Kemi is atrociously bad but I agree with your general point.

Labour doesn’t feel any different these days with figures like Keir Starmer, Rachel ‘from Accounts’ Reeves, David Lammy and Angela Rayner, to name a few. Perhaps it’s nostalgia, but I miss the era of truly formidable politicians on both the left and right. The same issue exists across the pond (Trump & Kamala). Or is it that the internet has stripped away the mystique surrounding politicians/leaders? Just feels like the bar has been lowered drastically.

Zahra29:
I haven't read/seen said interview. I mentioned previously that I don't follow all Ms Enoch's comments.

Let me find a link to the interview or article with her direct comments and I'll come back to you.

Zahra29:
I, and the rest of the world, saw and heard many Nigerians complain very bitterly about the Nigerian police during #endsars. It's not some kind of family secret that Kemi has exposed

There are lots of comments on X and YouTube from Nigerians supporting Kemi's comments about the police. The Nigerian police may have been good to you but many have far worse stories to share than stolen shoes.

I'm not sure what the issue is here - that she lied or that she had the temerity to speak about her own experiences in Nigeria?

Like one poster said, "Kemi isn't Nigeria's problem. Nigeria is Nigeria's problem"

Your anger should be directed towards the Nigerian police and government, and not towards people who speak out against their corrupt actions and brutality. Learn to hold your government to account. Smh

Zahra29:
Lol 🤣 so Ms Enoch is not allowed to speak of her lived experiences?

She spoke calmly of HER negative experience with the Nigerian police to illustrate the dichotomy in her view between a bad police force and a proper one - to explain why SHE trusts and values the British police force in contrast to the police she experienced growing up in Nigeria.

She didn't lie or denigrate, she spoke plain facts which I'm sure many Nigerians can relate to, and even worse, at the hands of the police.

Link to the relevant interview clip below.

"The police in Nigeria would rob us. The police stole my brother's shoes and his watch. It's a very poor country, so people do all sorts of things."

- Kemi Badenoch pic.twitter.com/NJrro4EHKj

— @𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗷𝗼𝗯𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗯𝗼𝘆 (@OneJoblessBoy) December 14, 2024

/video/1

Zahra29:
I haven't read/seen said interview. I mentioned previously that I don't follow all Ms Enoch's comments.

Let me find a link to the interview or article with her direct comments and I'll come back to you.

AgentXxx:
You seems to be missing the point about Kemi. We both agree she was voted as the leader of Tory and she is also aiming to be Prime Minister of Uk. With this in mind kindly answer this question “How does pointing out Nigeria issues at every interview help improve the wellbeing of the people of Britain?

Goodenoch:
Everything you've said above boils down to "some people oppose some deportation flights because some deportations are unfair because some people become overstayers by error or due to no fault of their own".

Okay.... Very interesting and very obvious, but so what?

It's not news that there are edge cases that fall outside of the "most" I used in my post.

The point remains that it's false to make it seem as if people here (and immigrants generally) are opposed to immigration law enforcement or the changing of policies to restrict entry in the perceived national interest.

In fact the most popular view here recently has been that if the UK government wants to change the laws to ban any category of immigrants or even stop immigration totally, they should go ahead and do it.

Now that they've banned dependents for students and some care workers, have you seen Nigerians carry placards to protest that or suing the government to say they must admit dependents? People for whom bringing dependents is a priority simply stopped coming to study or work in those roles and the government and everyone is happy, àbí?

missjekyll:
It doesn't. But it greatly improves the wellbeing of Badenoch. For her mind o. Only for her mind.

AgentXxx:
You seems to be missing the point about Kemi. We both agree she was voted as the leader of Tory and she is also aiming to be Prime Minister of Uk. With this in mind kindly answer this question “How does pointing out Nigeria issues at every interview help improve the wellbeing of the people of Britain?

AgentXxx:
Chai!!! Can this be low self esteem? Thank God for her brown colour, People like this would 100% deny being African if they had that white colour 🥲….

Viruses:
Except that her brother's experience is different from her lived experience and this was decades ago.

What happened to not speaking bad about your previous employer in a job interview? If this was your company will you employ her based on such response?

Is better she starts seeing herself as British so that she can control her obsession about Nigeria and focus more on British affairs.

missjekyll:
She should just keep Nigeria out of her mouth and face the dispatch box. At which she is failing woefully making it harder for any other Woman of colour to get into the position.

She is 1 week ,2 trouble at this point.

Addendum: Nigeria should keep her out of their mouth too. She is not a Nigerian. Leave her alone

lavida001:
These back and forth clearly indicates that Nigerians are not angry about what the likes of Shettima and tinubu are doing to the country. They are simply angry because it’s not them or their uncle doing the stealing.

How can you possibly be angry at kemi for stating the obvious.

Carton of noodles is now 10k, people only eat once a day and you lots are hear blowing grammar.

10 years from now it will be thesame story. Why can’t we just call a spade a spade and maybe things will change .

Zahra29:
It doesn't.

But as a free citizen, she is free to speak about her past especially when it is within the context of the question or discussion.

Would you kindly answer this question? Why does Kemi speaking about her past experiences with the police, which are not uncommon to the average Nigerian, affect the wellbeing of the people of Nigerians/Nigerian diaspora?

lavida001:
These back and forth clearly indicates that Nigerians are not angry about what the likes of Shettima and tinubu are doing to the country. They are simply angry because it’s not them or their uncle doing the stealing.

How can you possibly be angry at kemi for stating the obvious.

Carton of noodles is now 10k, people only eat once a day and you lots are hear blowing grammar.

10 years from now it will be thesame story. Why can’t we just call a spade a spade and maybe things will change .

AgentXxx:
What past are you talking about? 😂 in 1980s when she doesn’t even know the present day reality. Can you please give me an example of where the context of question asked needed a Nigeria answer 😂… I hope you did watch the interviews.


It does because she is not speaking from a point of pain and wanting change but from a point of self purification that she isn’t the Nigeria reality. We both agree that it is very easy to sense genuine care when someone advises us and wants good for us but Kemi’s verbal and body attitude doesn’t show such.

Another Question for you: Why has she never mentioned about a good experience from her past in related to Nigeria or she never had one as Nigeria is just full of bad experiences?

Goke7:
Oya tell aunty kemi to loud it na 😂

Chukwuka16:
Title of my brief this evening - Can we broaden our discussions: life has changed and is leaving us far behind

I have been away from this platform minding life and business – building an ecosystem is hard work and time!

I have recently had cause to scroll through previous pages here and I must appreciate the breadth of discussions. The OGs continue to help as always and bants continue to get thrown as usual. Nairaland still remains a melting pot for Nigerians.

However, for the last 18 months, I have suffered terribly from two things (information asymmetry and the absence of a sustainable ecosystem) that have both forced me to begin to rethink a lot of things about how I build and develop business. These sufferings I argue stem from two things I have noticed are very common in our community as Nigerians – a culture of hoarding and limited ambition.

First, I have suffered from serious information asymmetry which meant I have expended huge funds utilising consultants who are not Nigerians in navigating the landscape. This has mostly been around regulation (pursuing authorisation both in the finance, energy and ISO spaces). Now, don’t get me wrong, this is not a bad thing. What is worse is that money left our business to foreigners whereas there are Nigerians I believe who either have these skillsets or run businesses that can offer these services. I even know of one who I chatted up today on consulting for us in getting PCI DSS and the feedback justified why I will continue to use foreigners in the interim. I want to pay you to get the job done and the feedback is lacklustre. It was like I am not expected to have such. I will be reaching out today to a couple of firms to get that sorted for us – another loss of revenue to our ecosystem. I am practically weeping because my experience working with our manufacturers in China and consultants in UAE and even some of these Caucasian run consulting businesses here in the UK makes me wonder if we as Nigerians don’t want to succeed.

The second thing I have suffered is the absence of an ecosystem of familiar people on which I can build on. As a business, I have no reason to pursue financial authorisation. However, being unable to secure long-term partnerships and my long-term assessment of feedback from people I approached made me rule that a major risk hence the need to pursue that. As a business set up primarily to offer software solution in the energy space – carbon credit arbitrage from DSM and trading flexibility (we are literally building a trading platform to trade flexibility outside of smart meters), I have no business in hardware. That should be something owned by another business that they sell to customers and that I can build on. Unfortunately, I have also ruled that a major risk to prevent that aspect of the value chain cutting me off customers tomorrow. This means new manufacturing contracts to design hardware that caters for different continents, conformity tests, product design, circuit diagrams, packaging, countless emails and travel! As a business, it should have been a lot easier outsourcing my legal needs to a Nigerian-run legal firm here in the UK. Unfortunately, my last experience with a Nigerian lawyer here in the UK means I have to set up one that is in-house. When your heads of legal (finance and non-finance) either have a side gig at Oxford or worked at a leading European Fintech then you know you are toast. What about IP, we have to use US law firms to pursue patent filing and copyright protection. Thank God there is at least a Nigerian in one of the firms. These things are not meant to be so. This is what I love about the US and Chinese ecosystems (that does not include Nigerians).

I have done the numbers and all I can say is unfortunate. With regards to hoarding, I shiver. Folks I consider kin will see opportunities that will be beneficial to me and them in the long-run and keep mute. I’m younger than most so naturally I will supersede them – same way I expect younger folks than myself to exceed my achievements. However, our limited ambition means we don’t mind sacrificing long-term benefits if it will make a fellow Nigerian fail. Last night I concluded with my wife that scarcity and deep-seated jealousy is our problem. Reason why even at our parties we continue to exhibit such alien attributes in a declining country of abundance.

Why my rant this evening? If I continue like this, our businesses will fail. We are lucky to have secured funds to setup for our global rollout. We can achieve more, if we focus on what matters to us. Can we within this platform encourage anonymous discussions on Nigerians and what they do? I want to know of Nigerians who can handle accounting in the middle east – I will ditch the folks I’ve signed up with asap if I get a better deal. I want to know of Nigerians who can handle compliance or digital marketing across the UK, Europe, North America and the Middle East with budgets that are affordable (make sense) and with an attitude of seriousness. I cannot forget an experience I had some months back. Our BDM set up a meeting with a company to interview them for our marketing campaign. The rep perhaps felt that an all-black team didn’t deserve his presence and so turned off his video for the entirety of the call. That was the last time they heard back from us. I have recently held back on signing off on a report from another so-called top research organisation here in the UK because of the shoddy job they have done. By the time I am through with them, when they see a black business, they will “jump and pass”. I may be black but as a researcher and scholar, “I hold ground”.

Folks, as Nigerians we are powerless if we don’t own and run thriving businesses. Forget your high paying job, it is the businesses owned by Nigerians that gives us a voice in society. However, how can we ensure we have thriving businesses that can enable us to generate an ecosystem that enables us to keep wealth within our community. I know the health and care visa folks made a mess of things. Can we move past that and talk about the things good Nigerians do in their little corners so we can patronise and utilise them?

Today, I cringe about all the software we have bought for HR, accounting, compliance, communication, project management, etc. Some I just see the debit and am like what is this? If Nigerians had them and they were suitable for use here, I would be buying them. I want to scale from buying African food to patronising Nigerian owned businesses in marketing, consulting, research, audit, compliance, AI, etc.

Today, Nigerians cannot setup businesses easily in the UAE. If we had Nigerians owning businesses in strategic sectors, that won’t be the case. Today, for our staff to visit China, our manufacturers need to obtain letters from the government backing their own invitation letters simply because they still have a single nationality – Nigeria.

Time is moving very fast and severe structural change is coming. In our business, 99% of our staff are Nigerians. We have one very excellent chartered engineer who is European. I can enforce this because I am majority owner. Same thing with other businesses. I want to go into the city and enter a Nigerian-run finance business and see Nigerians just excelling. Please, can we broaden our discussions to include talks on this. I recall reading here of someone who was exploring building a currency-exchange business based on crypto. Next year, we would be exploring launching our own coin based on the carbon credits we generate from arbitrage. That would be a partnership worth exploring for me.

As I conclude, I recall an event held in the city in 2022. Two of my businesses had won funds in climate finance out of 30 funded across the country and we needed to attend a meeting with the Oxford folks and finance players (the major institute is based in Oxford). I have never felt out of place in my life. We were only 6 blacks in that meeting. Three from my end (including myself), two from my friend’s end who also had 2 of her businesses winning funding and 1 other guy who works with a major finance institution in the city. I vowed to avoid such meetings in the future. We may think such events will help us get networks. I laugh. My experience partnering with white-run businesses has made me realise that it is safer and better to partner with your kit and kin than with foreigners. You will appreciate this when trouble arises. Only your own will bring out their necks and reputation to defend you. I want to join in building such networks.

Zahra29:
Oh really, so endSars happened in 1980 also? And present day reality is that the Nigerian police force has transformed into a global standard of professionalism and honesty? All the people coming online to share their stories of extortion and brutality at the hands of the police - all their accounts were from 1990 also, and don't matter anymore? Or it's only a problem when Auntie Kemi shares her experience?

Kemi has most probably shared positive stories about her upbringing in Nigeria. But you know, negative headlines are more exciting.

Goodenoch:
https://archive.is/zu9EG

Viruses:
Is it that some of these videos I see about Kemi are AI generated?

Question: do you trust the British Police
Kemi: I do, my experience with Nigerian police is very negative...the Nigerian police will rob us, they stole my brother's shoe and watch, it's a very poor country.

How does that relate, was it necessary?

Jamesclooney:
I just watched the video, and I have to say, this is actually fine by me. I dare say, most of us that relocated from Naija share her perspective on UK policing, 24/7 power, good roads, etc. that initial culture shock that hits you and I have no issue with her expressing that viewpoint. In fact, she even went further to say that British policing should be held to a higher standard (God forbid we compare Naija Olokpa to British police). On this particular issue, I’ll absolve Kemi of any criticism. The others, however, still stand!

lavida001:
Her next podcast will be about yahyah Bello stealing 80billion and paying 500 million to gain his freedom.