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| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 11:01am On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:There's a huge difference between critique from someone who identifies as Nigerian and has served the country despite all the difficulties. It is clear to all that it's from a desire to influence make change, and that's a marked difference from Badenoch who has publicly disclaimed Nigeria and ONLY references it in disparaging terms to prop up her "good, not-like-them immigrant" image. NOI has a huge, supportive following among Nigerians and her book has been publicized in Nigeria and by Nigerians (look up reviews of the book and discussions about it on social media). She did go on a tour of sorts as well, and has delivered speeches about the book in several fora (including interviews with Nigerian top media platforms) over the years. Search YouTube for those. To say very few Nigerians know of the book, is frankly ignorant. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 11:06am On Dec 17, 2024 |
Chukwuka16:Where we differ on this is realism and how to practically get from point A to B. Certain things take time and wouldn't be majicked up by twiddling ones fingers. Pre-2019, much fewer Nigerians came in, these folks were also more significantly disadvantaged as they were restrained by visa rules to be below not just Brits but all Europeans when it came to many things. Brexit helped open more opportunities. First ask yourself what are the limitations of running a business for one on a visa. Are they going to leave their visa sponsor to fully run one? I owned a business on a visa and know the significant limitations that exist. Secondly, what is the general economic trend in the UK and how do you expect a disadvantaged group that is more highly taxed to superceed that? Do you expect them to not get a mortgage, pay their visa fees e.t.c so they can raise capital to take risk with venture funds? I'm well aware of social determinants of attainment but many kids of immigrants would perform better than their parents. The trend is quite clear on this and my personal experience has not been any different. I'm also quite heavy on everyday limitations that significantly limit attainment. A while back, the government lifted the 20hr cap mommetarily. That simple move meant an over 90k differential for me per year as I was able to structure my work better. Now the cap is back, those in similar positions do not have that leeway. I'm not going to go down the salary vs business speak. That has been long laboured. There is room for both. People would choose what their temperament/skills alight with. In many fields those who have conquered both do it better. The UK is heavily regulated and not a hugely capitalist society. My question to you is how does one go from being a masters student on psw to raising 300k to 'take risk' as you put it? You mention 300k like its some money you go out and pick on the street. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 11:09am On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:I see your fondness for strawman arguments is alive and well. Nobody ever said the bolded. As to your other comment about me having righteous indignation about each one of her comments, it it just my indignation though? You should ask yourself why there has been so.much backlash against her comments (and not just the ones about Nigeria) even in the UK. It may be that all of those comments are perfectly fine (as you believe and have said) and everyone who has questioned them is unreasonable, or that she frequently says nonsense that people are rightfully indignant about. Good thing is that she's now in a much bigger spotlight so I'm confident time will make clear which one it is. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:14am On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goodenoch:Quite rich coming from you who boldly claimed that Boko haram has no ethnic bias or ethnic grouping and has never killed anyone based on their ethnicity 🙄 and yes, very few Nigerians know of the book , especially compared to the numbers that have heard of Kemi's comments. Biko, e jo, let's dead the topic/ move on. You, Shettima and others are free to continue hating Kemi and seeing her as the problem. Others also, both in the UK (even Oluomo of Derby stated that he is very supportive of Kemi) and Nigeria are free to look past the messenger and accept that there is some truth in her comments. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 11:16am On Dec 17, 2024 |
Chukwuka16:Are you really saying that the millions of Nigerians living in Nigeria are useless to humanity except they move to a 'top 20 global city' within the next 24 months? The stuff people say... |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:20am On Dec 17, 2024 |
willyede:💯 And it's not just Nigerians who don't read enough, you know the famous quote from Malcolm x: "if you want to hide something from a black man, put it in a book" (Generally speaking) |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:26am On Dec 17, 2024 |
seyejohn94:Hi @justwise, just checking if it's okay to post the details of the NIN agent (not a personal contact, just a business service whose information is also online)? - otherwise I can DM the details to the poster. Thanks |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 11:30am On Dec 17, 2024 |
willyede:You say it quite well, I shouldn't have bothered with a response if I had seen yours beforehand. I didn't engage the first part as there was an obvious knowledge gap (which can't be filled here) of what it means to 'own' and run a GP practice in the UK and the financial realities of that. It's like saying being an academician does not count unless you own a string of universities or being a hospital consultant means nothing unless you own a string of hospitals. How does one begin to engage that? I wonder if its all an 'aspire to acquire to expire' speak. Chap is beginning to sound like some YouTube videos I stumble upon. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by stephoye: 11:50am On Dec 17, 2024 |
I have a question oooo my people. One of the conditions given by SSSC registration is to have SVQ3 (Scotland)latest by 2027. I thought it should be SVQ2 . Is this applicable to every care assistant/carer? |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m): 12:10pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
lavida001:Hehe... e no easy. Thought it was old until I delved in and saw it had just happened. Japan remains a case study for western nations. Regarding birth rates, every year for them is a new low. They have thrown in almost everything to arrest their demographic decline and resultant economic stagnation. From overworking their populace to astronomical debt e.t.c. Next it would be to heavily tax contraception and mandate 'nakis'. They continue to be an evident example that it's not the migrants taking our lunch. You can be rest assured that once they hit a breakthrough that doesn’t rely on migration, most western nations would follow suit. But wait oooo... even dating app... 😆. I wouldn't mind the UK govt subcribing to Hinge/Tinder for me though. Just imagine what the media would say if the UK govt did that... The founders of 4 Day Week Global described the step taken by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government as “extraordinary, in a country that has such a reputation for non-flexibility in this area and has an actual word [karoshi] for death by overwork”.
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| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 12:25pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:Stop the lies, that book was well published with so much awareness and support in Nigeria because of the kind of persona involved and her diligence in the Nigeria polity just like Goodenoch said. I know you’re working so hard to validate Kemi’s divisive comments but it won’t change anything as there’s so much spotlight on her now especially as Igboho has gotten big validation now for his separatist ideology and yes there’s a followership for that too who will continue to agree with Kemi’s comments for obvious reasons. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 1:21pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:At the bolded, thank you and no, I wasn't a paid wordsmith or scribbler of sorts, just happened to have gotten myself a good education. At the italicised, there is another angle to the analogy you've given. Let's take a hypothetical child from a dysfunctional home, father's lying around drunk, mother's a slattern. The child comes to school with all the signs of the household whence they came, empty lunchbox, commensurate appearance, etc. They don't talk about their situation to their classmates and colleagues, not out of pride, but out of basic pragmatism and self-preservation - if you do tell your classmates, they're more likely to make fun of you, shun you, run you down, etc. than genuinely sympathise or be of support. And finally, at the last set off part of your comment, I'm curious as to why you inserted that. Yes, the majority of Black brits were unaffected, but your tossing that in there does seem to connote (this may not be what you mean) that in the event of a rerun the same will be the case? Anyway, as you've rightly said above, this issue has been thrashed out to death, so let's give it a rest. Allow me to wish you Happy Holidays and all the best in 2025, if we don't speak (or cross swords) before. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by willyede(m): 1:24pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:At this rate, it appears you are unwilling to embrace the much-needed change in the country. It seems you are focusing on criticizing the messenger rather than the message itself. Have you seen the latest news that the Inspector General of Police has banned the Nigerian police from arbitrary arrests, detention of youths, and the collection and checking of phones? This is one of the positive outcomes we are beginning to see, thanks to Kemi's advocacy. Let’s hope this momentum continues, as it seems our solutions may eventually come from external pressure. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:25pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:Lies are the comments Goodenoch made about BH. Yup sure, almost every Nigerian has read Iweala's book. In fact it's even been added to the school curriculum. Whatever pretence keeps you happy 😂 I'm not working hard oh, I'm in full wind down mode now for Christmas and the new Year. You can follow up with Oluomo of Derby and the many other non-separatist Nigerians who support/ don't mind Kemi 😊 |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 1:29pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
willyede:But it’s a book and not a podcast that got Dele Farotimi an human rights activist or lawyer into his current predicament of his hard stance against the Nigerian judiciary. Where is this assumption that Nigerians don’t read coming from? |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 1:33pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 1:36pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:Luxuriating in the tepid bath of managed decline. ![]() |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:36pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Cyberknight:To the bolded, I would hope that the child would speak to a teacher, well meaning friend or friend's parent or anyone who could help? Really the teachers should be trained to spot the signs of child neglect which is what this is. It's a hot topic at the moment as you know due to the neglect and death of Sara at the hands of her parents. I would certainly not advocate for the poor child to continue to suffer in silence when help is available. Keeping quiet rarely brings about positive change. Happy Holidays and New Year to you too. May we have a lovely break and return in 2025 healthy and well to continue our friendly discussions/sparring 😊 |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:36pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:Ignorance and eagerness to buy into any and every negative stereotype about Nigerians, a la Badenough. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:42pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:My last post about this, only for the record. I didn't lie. I was mistaken that there was no ethnic dimension to their attacks but it doesn't change the fact that their primary motivation isn't ethnic. Either way, it's tangential to the issue of whether Boko Haram could possibly have been what Badenough was referring to. It isn't, as I and others have explained. It simply doesn't add up. If you ask 100 Nigerians, no one will say she meant just Boko Haram were her ethnic enemies. Even from a grammar standpoint thy interpretation doesn't make sense. It's extremely clear that she me at Northerners in general. You can choose to believe whatever you it or take what you hear from the office as the honest truth. Na you sabi. I don taya abeg. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:49pm On Dec 17, 2024*. Modified: 2:17pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:The police said they arrested Farotimi following Babalola’s petition accusing him of defamation of character and cyberbullying. How many Nigerians had bought or read Farotimi's book before he was arrested and went viral with the likes of Obi and Atiku speaking out against his arrest. Try being honest. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Chukwuka16: 1:55pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
The brevity of time and the ruthlessness of "good" statistics I divert. @jedisco, as per your question on raising money – let me offer this. If you have a product or service that you sell and can solve any problem a small software/hardware business like ours faces (excluding HR, accounting, communication, project management, etc.), if it is comparably priced and under £1.5k/year, I would purchase and get two of my network’s businesses to also purchase. Now, if you had a network of 5 people each selling something, it begins to make sense how such funds could be raised. The bottom line is this – if you don’t have anything to sell of some value (relative to people), you can’t make money. To give you some context, our software stack is the usual – talentHR, Microsoft for Business, Slack, Click Up, Cliq, Notion, OrangeHR (another sub), etc. Nothing serious. What we need now are AI based tools to manage compliance – tracking and notifying PoC when checks are due, etc or other problems we don’t even know exist. If it is AI-powered then even better, you can add a premium. Back to my thoughts. As Nigerians, we like hope. We engage with hope and it drives us. Don’t get me wrong, hope is good. Even the Bible admonishes that hope maketh not ashamed. However, that same Bible raises two very crucial points – the importance of time (there is time for everything) and the need for work (faith without work is death). While hope should keep us alive, active and eager to try again, it does not obviate from hard truths. One of such hard truths is time and its fleeting nature. I have seen the impact of buying back time and the luxuries it affords one. When I completed my PhD, I still had 2.5 years of time remaining (assuming 4 years for a PhD). These 2.5 years enabled me try and fail and learn. By the time my colleagues were finishing their PhD’s years later, I had won a couple funding and built capacity in project management, grant applications, recruitment, team management, report and deliverables writing, and tested product development. I have also been able to offer my network similar opportunity – roles, training and development, travel, increased salaries and profile, etc. That ecosystem today has generated excellent opportunities for us in managing way bigger projects and now preparing for the launch of our flagship product. It took only 1 person to buy back time to build an ecosystem that has allowed others to scale my limited ideas. I would never have earned or had access to what I have today were it not for that ecosystem. It didn’t just happen, it took time. Today, that ecosystem has enabled me to bring to life all I have been working on since undergrad – demand side management. If I didn’t finish my PhD early, I would never have had the opportunity to try, fail and learn. When I speak of what I do today, never assume it was spontaneous, it took time. As immigrants, we have lost time and so we find it risky to make such investments now. It is better we think to be safe in what we think works now than try new things – I am just laughing remembering the book, “who moved my cheese”. We don’t have a choice than to start now. Yes, we have run out of time, but can we start something today. I will in my later epistle talk about labour and value and how inversely related they are in today’s world. Secondly, is the issue of “good” statistics. I was very intentional in qualifying statistics because of the popular saying – “lies, damned lies and statistics”. I currently as a side hustle function as the chief AI officer for a US AI start up (they are in stealth mode so village people can forget knowing them till they raise). You will think I write code, no. I function as a solutions architect. I possess very rare skillsets and competence in first principles (engineering, computer science and policy), and I have experience in building products which made them approach me. I am also friendly with the CEO as well as a few other staff of the company. Now, don’t get me wrong – the folks here who are Nigerians are like the top 0.1% of Nigerians – Stanford, MIT, UPenn, etc. They are running a company of over 15 staff with angel investment and are also generating revenue. Working with them has made me attend meetings with some global c-suite executives pitching our solutions. I can have these opportunities because someone in my network built an ecosystem. They are also leveraging our successes as part of theirs, and the cumulative impact is amazing. I am not denigrating immigrants, just stating facts – there is so little our current approach will do to help us build the ecosystems that will enable our offsprings thrive. The stat is simple, most of the wealth going forward will be created in the major cities of the world. What will take our kids there and thrive are the businesses we build today. It is those businesses that will equip them to function in the new world. I could write lengthy stuff, but the summary remains the same – hope has no role to play in helping us combat the poverty facing us as Nigerian immigrants. We need to start thinking systems. If we don’t the poverty later will remind us daily as we see our offsprings recolonised and utilised as fodder for keeping the system running and as sport for the major players. The worst kind of life to live is one of regret – hopeless and aware that things could have been different. Life is brutal, so also are the stats. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 1:58pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goodenoch:For the record, the bolded is still untrue/ignorant. I posted (but it sounds like you conveniently decided not to read my post) independent reports that investigated BH's operations and killings and concluded that their primary composition and motivation is ethnic, even amounting to ethnic cleansing, the report found. Smh |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by willyede(m): 1:58pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:As of 2018, Nigeria's adult literacy rate was approximately 62%, indicating that a substantial portion of the population lacks basic reading and writing skills.
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| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 1:59pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:Thanks to kemi for dividing Nigerians both at home and in the diaspora just after few weeks or months as Torries Leader. It’s a worthy achievement to be celebrated and we are very grateful. There’s no book written in any Nigeria on any issue that impacts the polity that does not get traction. The former president obasanjo wrote a book called ‘my watch’ where he lambasted his VP Atiku. Till today that book is still a talking point. Okonjo Iweala in her book wrote how risky it was fighting corruption in Nigeria which still forms a major highlight in the fight against corruption today. Try and get more educated with things that happens in Nigeria if you’re interested so you don’t come here and quoting Malcom x for us in an era that does not make sense anymore. The same Nigerians that spend huge fortune all over the world in academics and people say they don’t read must be greatest fallacy that only exists in the Stone Age. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:04pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:You have just shot yourself in the leg, If Nigerians don’t read, the book will never be written. Lots of Nigerians have made huge fortunes as authors. Your Malcom x quote is stale. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:13pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
willyede:That’s not even too poor for a developing country and the huge population and we know the areas or regions which keeps it that low especially when you compare to other developing nations. Am even surprised it hits 60% |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 2:14pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:The charges brought against Farotimi state: “That you Dele Farotimi ‘m’ on 28th August 2024 knowingly and intentionally transmitted communication in an online interview on Mic On Podcast by Seun Okinbaloye on your YouTube Channel (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4USuxB…) in respect of a book authored and published by you titled: ‘Nigeria and its Criminal Justice System’ wherein you stated in the interview that: ‘Aare Afe Babalola corrupted the judiciary" It was the podcast that led to the petition being brought by Babalola, not because masses read the book. If Farotimi had not done/shared that interview, he would likely not have been arrested despite the existence of the book. I stand by my original comment that very few Nigerians have read Iweala's book ,and probably even Farotimi's, in spite of his arrest. I'll let you return to hiding your head in the sand that you love so much lol |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:26pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:What you’re implying is that Nigerians would never have read that book and am saying it’s not true cos Nigerian authors make huge fortunes so how will they if Nigerians don’t read. Even your darling Kemi’s father was also a publisher and you expect me to accept and believe that Nigerians don’t read abi for you to prove Malcom x as true? Noooooooo! |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 2:32pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goodenoch:If she come out tomorrow to say Nigerian doctors are killing people, they will tell us she is speaking the truth and they support her, that’s how ridiculous things have become. |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:56pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Zahra29:You can keep banging this drum as long as you like, and I know you will because it's a convenient distraction from the absurdity of your original claim that Badenough was referring to Boko Haram only in her statement. I did see the reports you cited. Clearly, some studies have said BH is driven by ethnicity, but most that I have seen acknowledge that it is religious primarily, and that tracks with what they've been saying and how they've operated since the beginnings in the Shekau days to the current JAS, IS-WA composition. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Brookings-Analysis-Paper_Alex-Thurston_Final_Web.pdf https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/01/boko-haram-glance/ https://www.usip.org/publications/2014/06/why-do-youth-join-boko-haram https://scholarworks.waldenu.edu/dissertations/10698/#:~:text=The%20results%20indicated%20that%20BH,mosques%20and%20Islamic%20teaching%20centers. https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/resources/Final%20Nigeria%20Factsheet%20%20August%2019,2013.pdf Point is, there are studies and reports for both viewpoints but it's immaterial to my point above so again, believe what you will. 👍🏿 |
| Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 2:57pm On Dec 17, 2024 |
Goke7:cos Nigerian authors make huge fortunes so how will they if Nigerians don’t read. Erm because they also sell to an international readership? 🤨 You do love to miss the point. My original comment was that very few Nigerians, including yourself I might add lol , have read NOI's book about the systemic corruption in Nigeria. I didn't say none, I said very few (in relative terms). |
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