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Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

I can relate to your story.

Thank you for writing this.

Goodlyhrt:
No sir.

Stopped at senior WAEC level

Let me know when you secure admission.

What we have is people socializing without the fear of God and good upbringing!

Those who have high social skills still laments of irreparable betrayals by men. Don't be fooled, reliance on man is the biggest mistake, let God open the doors and see how you will attract men who will help you

Image123:
Not forgetting that physics is asking for photos and reels here, in this case it needs to sleep deeply. Spirits don't take photos.

If they can be seen with the eyes, eat suya and fry bread then yes they can be photographed.

geoworldedu:
He makes sense more than you do. All gods are heard from men. We have evidences that men exists, but we only get to know that God exists from hearsays from men.

Saying God is invented by men and saying that he exists independently of men are two different things.


He may make sense to you because you and him have never had any experience of God.

Your type are the " my pastor says" kind of church goers.

What i did not know before now is that so many of you go to church knowing fully well
that you believe that God is a fairy tale, a figment of men's imagination and have other motives for coming to church.

This mindset explains why there is so much religious activities in Nigeria that does not translate to righteous actions.So much wickedness in the land.

I have had this suspicions for long but could not bring myself to accept that people actually go to church and sing and dance and pray to something that they actually believe does not exist.

How pathetic !!!

otipoju:
I understand what you are saying....nevertheless I will tell you the only ground worth standing on is God.

All other grounds is sinking sand.

Nigeria is not working because we have endemic corruption from top to bottom.

Europe and America works for business because of access to credit. As long as your credit score is good, you will have banks and other financial institutions to lend you money.

If your worship of God is based solely on what you can get from him then you have not started. Paul was not healed of his deformity, yet he loved God. Moses, David, Joseph ,Stephen even Jesus Christ all faced debilitating trials, yet they did not abandon God.

The key to being relevant in this world is to add value to yourself continually. Make money , save for rainy days and plan for your children's future and enjoy yourself with your family.

But placing your trust in fellow human beings will bring you more misery long term wether in church or socially.

I have friends everywhere but still keep my circle very very very small.

ok oga

So what shud the worship of God be based upon?

durentboi:
ok oga

So what shud the worship of God be based upon?

You Worship God because of who He is and What He has Done, is Doing and will Do

To be fair, you didn't attend a church. DLCM is run like a cult, and I strongly believe it's done more harm to the faith than it has profited.

There are too many unlearned individuals (in the true gospel) running corporate-like ministries and revered as "daddy G.Os". If you spoke against their teachings you will be judged as speaking against the fathers of the faith.

Yet these ones are not fathers but children who need to be taught themselves. Running large ministries for decades does not qualify one as a father of faith. Are their teachings faith-based or they rely on qualifications based on works?

A few of them have come to the realization of the folly of their past teachings. But how can they turn around decades of indoctrinations and not sound like a heretic themselves to their members lies the dilemma!

A rather dumb conclusion based on nothing.

I was reading an interview with a Nobel Prize winner for Chemistry, the man said a blood cell is more complex than a city.

Also, the process of our sight is one of the most advanced processes known to man.

It was only recently that engineers were able to create a robot that can walk upright unaided, something that children have been doing for thousands of years. And even till now, no robot can walk as elegantly as a child can.

Scientists have confirmed that if the Earth was a few thousand kilometres closer to the sun, Life as we know it could not exist due to heat and if the Earth was a few thousand kilometres further away from the Sun, life as we know it, could also not exist because of cold.

All these are signs that an Intelligence for greater than our greatest living scientists created man and the universe.

Just because you were unable to manipulate God to do your bidding, you became an atheist.

How silly.

God works with Principle, every prayer that gets answered is due to the right application of the invisible principles that he laid down and every unanswered prayer is due to the violation of said principles.

Humble yourself and admit you are ignorant of these Principles and sincerely request that He open your eyes to see the Proof not just of His existence but also of His love for you.

richmond500:
God does not exist, if u put ur hope on him, u won't be better than the average man on the street.
Next Sunday go to church and look at the person near u if he is any better than the non church goers

Oyerinde16:
My parents brought me up in a strict christian way of life that, every opportunity that came, I scrutinized it to see if it was Godly or not... I threw away clean money making opportunities because I felt it had one form of deciet or the other...

I refused to gamble for a long time, I even refused to do MMM, I once picked 2m inside my boss vehicle after we had being robbed, boss tot, robbers took it but I found n returned it...

I gave some guys work they made almost 100m each and I refused to take money from them, when I needed the money, they did not give me... The first service I rendered, though I felt bad cos I wasn't a house agent, I made 4m... Now my eyes are wide Open... Deal no de...

I wish I knew and took all those opportunities earlier in life, I would be swimming in nothing less than 2b... But here I am struggling with less than 5m in aza... Now I gamble, flirth drink and do crazy stuffs ..

Wish I knew earlier...

wow. Congrats on the development.

Pls which opportunities that the guys made over 100m?

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

Get in touch, there are still things you don't know. Churchy teachings has actually made us weaker and even vulnerable to stronger powers.

LordReed:
If they can be seen with the eyes, eat suya and fry bread then yes they can be photographed.

2Ki 6:16 KJV And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 KJV And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Evidently, you need special eyes to see the heavenly beings. Many other times, they appear as men, they don't come wearing capes or whatever you watched on nta.

Image123:
And humans have not been captured flying like birds on videos, they were not created to.

But Jesus was created specially to fly into heaven straight from Israel

emmyseg:
I can actually help link you up with some military guys if you need some meanwhile it depends on your location

Abeg link me up to, i dey south south Nigeria

But I don't smoke or drink

Image123:
2Ki 6:16 KJV And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 KJV And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Evidently, you need special eyes to see the heavenly beings. Many other times, they appear as men, they don't come wearing capes or whatever you watched on nta.

You need special eyes to see someone devouring suya before you? You need special eyes to see someone frying bread?

The only thing I observed is that you have a good command of written English grammar for just a WAEC holder.

Perhaps, there were benefits to not keeping friends and focusing on your studies. It wasn't entirely a loss.

Do as that toprealman guy had advised cos you have potentials I believe that further exposure to education could help tap.

Vawulence120:
Op


I think we have same idealogy, I am also brought up in a strong christian home( deeper life bible church in Owerri) that even discouraged me to follow my friends in Yahoo.

Many things you said here is true


I have stop attending the church for a year,

I have stop following and worshipping what top pastors, general overseas said and follow what the bible says

I stop following any church doctrine and follow what bible says

'Attend seminars and be active in the society.'
'Join a political party'

This is my plan next year

'The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.' .... True

This is exactly what happened to my father last year and my brother this year

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those. True likewise my parents.


avoid secret societies or cult groups. That true I like this advice secret group is not good no matter what.


Can we connect I am from Owerri imo state

how far I'm from Owerri imo state

Peterrio:
But Jesus was created specially to fly into heaven straight from Israel

Do you believe in miracles?

LordReed:
You need special eyes to see someone devouring suya before you? You need special eyes to see someone frying bread?

Possibly, if the someone doesn't appear as a man or allow you see him. Remember, these someones are not Gen Z.

Image123:
Possibly, if the someone doesn't appear as a man or allow you see him. Remember, these someones are not Gen Z.

So suya will just be disappearing into thin air and you think that still can't be captured on camera. This one is not special eyes, its special blindness. LoLz.

LordReed:
So suya will just be disappearing into thin air and you think that still can't be captured on camera. This one is not special eyes, its special blindness. LoLz.

i have no idea of neither do i understand your suya fascination, i am referring to angels and devils and people's ability to take pictures and videos of them. If by chance you heard about angels eating, they must have appeared as men not as spirits.

richmond500:
God does not exist, if u put ur hope on him, u won't be better than the average man on the street.
Next Sunday go to church and look at the person near u if he is any better than the non church goers

God does exist. The world is too complex to exist on its own.

Goodlyhrt:
This is my last reply to you dear sir.

I don't believe in your biblical God anymore as believing in that fable has caused Africa a great deal, backwardness and poverty to mention a few.

I now believe through evidence that there is no God in the sky or anywhere who can influence man but man himself who can influence himself to do good or not. Humanity/man is the God we think in our head and has all the power to influence and not some spiritual all father.

the TV you have at home was created by somebody, the car you drive in was created by someone. Life is too complex to exist on its own. God exists.

Mandate1:
the TV you have at home was created by somebody, the car you drive in was created by someone. Life is too complex to exist on its own. God exists.

I will make another thread to address this one day to tell you that man is the architect of everything you know or don't know because man is that powerful.

Image123:
i have no idea of neither do i understand your suya fascination, i am referring to angels and devils and people's ability to take pictures and videos of them. If by chance you heard about angels eating, they must have appeared as men not as spirits.

Oh they transform to men to eat suya and fry bread. LoLz. Tell me the angel that made fire come out of a stick was he appearing as a man or an angel?

durentboi:
wow. Congrats on the development.

Pls which opportunities that the guys made over 100m?

It's related to sales of diesel... Every day for 3 months, they were making roughly 1.5 - 1.6m

Interestingly, when I read this post half way, I paused to call a Muslim girl I've been assisting in a little way recently. Just to let her know I always care about her. Nothing between us. I just like her energy and effort to make it, and I promised to be a part of her success story.

No one knows tomorrow. You don't know who will save you or your children in days of trouble.

otipoju:
Yes ooo, it is God that caused backwardness for Africa... it is not your government officials and civil servants stealing funds meant for development of infrastructure and social amenities.

It is not your citizens that are tribalistic and selfish and don't mind stealing from their bosses at work and destroying everything else as long as they and their family are good.

I been think sey you get sense before but your words have revealed that nothing dey inside your head.

You're such a foolish entity for insulting the O.P.
Idiot like you claim to serve God and do his bidding, let me ask you, did Jesus tell you to go about insulting others like you just did up there, why not be like Jesus and say, father forgive him for he knows not what he is doing...
Useless Christians, always resorting to insults when people don't share in their perspectives or God or Satan....
U no go end well...werey ..

otipoju:
Gbaam. Daniel and Mordecai were learned. And the had the spirit of excellence. They pursued excellence and it opened doors for them.

You rise in life by acquiring relevant marketing place skills. I have developed myself to the point that I don't apply for jobs anymore. I update my resume and recruiters begin to contact me.

I learnt this from my friend a Chemical Engineer who was offered $ 20,000 to leave his current job and come to Raytheon.

This guy had all the top certifications and degrees in that field.

It is sacrilegious for me to imagine that I am going to church on Sunday not to worship God, but to make human connections and network.

If my friendship or association with you is based on what you have to offer me, then you are not my friend. I am merely using you.

Nuff said.

Mumu, even the God in your head is using you...
He wants you to serve and worship him in a bid to give you eternal life....
I say again to you again mumu man.... nothing is free....

otipoju:
Saying God is invented by men and saying that he exists independently of men are two different things.


He may make sense to you because you and him have never had any experience of God.

Your type are the " my pastor says" kind of church goers.

What i did not know before now is that so many of you go to church knowing fully well
that you believe that God is a fairy tale, a figment of men's imagination and have other motives for coming to church.

This mindset explains why there is so much religious activities in Nigeria that does not translate to righteous actions.So much wickedness in the land.

I have had this suspicions for long but could not bring myself to accept that people actually go to church and sing and dance and pray to something that they actually believe does not exist.

How pathetic !!!

You have been brainwashed from your childhood which includes the language you speak today. Your thoughts are not original but what has been placed into you through repetition by your environment. No need to resort to insult if you have nothing reasonable to contribute.

Seunomobo:
Mumu, even the God in your head is using you...
He wants you to serve and worship him in a bid to give you eternal life....
I say again to you again mumu man.... nothing is free....

Don't be like him, the church goers are the most aggressive and love to insult everyone.

Goodlyhrt:
I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

PDLBB