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Sladem05:
It’s marginally higher than India in HDI. But there is a lot more to QOL than HDI.

Again comparing a diamond extracting economy to an economy that produces finished goods is the dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen. The Botswana economy is an absolute joke. It’s growing only because of Diamond sales. It has a very high unemployment, some of the highest income inequality, inconsistent power supply (it’s crazy that you tried to compare the power situation of sub Saharan Africa to the rest of the world when sub Saharan Africa is distinct In not having access to constant electricity as the rest of the world does, Sub Saharan Africa was the only region to be almost entirely black) you now tried to compare it to a region with 3 times less the population which. I’ve never seen so much Afrocentric cope in my life 🤣🤣. Africa is clearly distinct in that regard with its population centres having little to no electricity. Botswana economy is nothing compared to India. India’s economy has been growing at an average rate of 6-7% annually, making it one of the fastest-growing major economies. This growth is fueled by its young population, technological advancements, and industrial reforms.
• Botswana: Botswana’s growth rate has slowed to around 4-5% annually, with challenges in diversifying its economy and overreliance on diamonds. Thus botswna doesn’t usually outgrow India and how it’s growing its economy is not impressive. An economy that’s just solely based on raw material extraction is ass.

Economic Diversification
• India: India has a highly diversified economy, including manufacturing, technology, pharmaceuticals, agriculture, and services. This diversification provides stability against economic shocks.
• Botswana: Botswana’s economy is dominated by diamonds (roughly 70% of export revenue), making it vulnerable to fluctuations in commodity prices. Efforts to diversify into tourism and financial services are ongoing but slow.

5. Population and Workforce
• India: With over 1.4 billion people, India has a massive workforce that contributes to its economic dynamism. However, unemployment and underemployment remain challenges.
• Botswana: Botswana has a population of just 2.6 million, limiting its labor market and domestic consumption, which impacts economic growth potential.

6. Infrastructure and Development
• India: India’s infrastructure is improving rapidly with investments in roads, railways, and digital connectivity. However, urban-rural disparities persist.
• Botswana: Botswana has better infrastructure relative to many African nations but still light years behind India in terms of scale, sophistication, and connectivity.

7. Foreign Investment
• India: A top destination for foreign direct investment (FDI), especially in tech, manufacturing, and renewable energy sectors.
• Botswana: Attracts some FDI in mining and tourism but struggles to compete with larger, more diversified economies

India receives $70 billion a year in FDI compared to punywana at $360 million 🤣🤣🤣🤣


India: Far stronger in terms of overall economic strength, growth potential, and global influence.
• Botswana: Performs better in GDP per capita and stability but is far more limited in growth potential and economic diversification compared to India.

And now we move onto crime and safety, most Nigerians or at least any decent person would view you as a fool for comparing a country that is more dangerous than Nigeria. People are scared of Nigeria as it is yet it’s not as dangerous as Botswana. Even Nigerian roads that people make fun of are still safer than Botswana. And you have overlooked this. Looking at the data, Things like armed robbery, homicides etc is the order of the day in Botswana as is car accidents. But it’s fine I know that Africans/blacks are known for encouraging and glorifying criminal behaviour. People complain all the time about Nigeria’s insecurity issue yet they are countries more insecure than it in Africa like Botswana. But insecurity is a sign of poor quality of life. If the government can’t provide security for its citizens, how is that a good place to live? You need a safe environment for prosperity and Botswana is not safe, higher homicide and traffic fatality rates than Nigeria is crazy. GDP per capita aside,safety is a crucial factor in determining the quality of life in a country. A safe environment allows people to live without constant fear of crime, violence, or instability.When assessing quality of life, safety often works alongside other factors like healthcare, education, and infrastructure, but it’s undeniably one of the most fundamental.

And it’s why I keep on telling that how you measure success depends on perspective, and why is that when talking about the success of the US. You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received. You’d be absolutely nuts to think the US has higher quality of life than other developed countries simply because its citizens are richer. The US fails woefully in all other categories against other wealthy countries whether that’s education, health, crime etc. it’s the least developed, developed country on earth. The US is a third world country wearing PRADA.your entire argument of Botswana being better is just centred on them having a higher per capita. Everything else about the country is just as bad as any other African country whether that’s the infrastructure, crime, healthcare, quality etc. it’s just as much as primitive, wasteland as any other African country. Nigeria is even better in many aspects than Botswana. That’s something you constantly overlook. Botswana is one of the most unequal countries on earth. Your actually safer in Nigeria than Botswana.

India has lifted more people out of poverty than Botswana or any African nation can imagine. I said this once and I won’t stop saying it. But Africa will never meaningfully industrialise. That includes all of sub Saharan Africa. Geopolitical pundits like Peter Zeihan have said things like this. It’s never going to do a China. The factors that allowed China and to a lesser extent India to become what they are today doesn’t exist in Africa and never will. I already told you that Africa is so irrelevant that if Sub Saharan Africa literally disappeared, it won’t shake the world. The continents GDP is like $3.4 trillion which is still lower than India which has like 30 million. The differences between all of Africa and India is crazy.

India: India’s GDP is around $3.7 trillion (nominal).
• Africa: The entire continent of Africa has a combined GDP of about $3.4 trillion (nominal)

India has 30 million less people.As of 2024:
• India: 1.46 billion people
• Africa: 1.49 billion people

So, Africa’s population is approximately 30 million higher than India’s.

But yet the GDP Gap is $300 billion? 30 million less people but then $300 billion additional economic activity 😂. Gap between Sub Saharan Africa and India is even greater. How can one country out muscle an entire continent? 😂

Sladem05:
Looking at those satellite images of the world, I just realise as to how crazy you are.

South America:
• Population: Approximately 434 million people

Africa:
• Population: Approximately 1.55 billion people

Population Gap:
• Africa’s population is about 1.12 billion larger than South America’s

Yet South America is actually more lit up on satellite images than Africa is in spite of its small population. There is almost nothing in Nigeria or west Africa or Southern Africa (which Includes your precious Botswana)

Approximately 80% of South America’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast. This includes major urban centers like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Lima, Caracas, and Bogotá (even though Bogotá is inland, its economic ties are strongly with the coast) And the vast majority of the coast which is where the citizens reside was lit up.

With Africa (and a specific emphasis Botswana) the complete opposite is true, only 40-50% of Africa’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast.The remaining population of Africa, which is around 50-60% of the total, lives in the inland areas of the continent. Thus, most of Africa should be lit up. But even in the population centres, there is almost no light. Northern Nigeria where most of the Nigerian population resides is pitch , Southern Africa which includes Botswana is also pitch black. All satellite images show all of afriva to be literally the dark continent and most of the population lives inland. 98%+ of Africa is black and that image is from NASA Observatory. Most of South American population is costal. Most of Africa is inland. You wouldn’t think that by looking at Africa at night. It’s literally the dark continent.

It was already concluded on another nairaland thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2668093/photo-africa-europe-night-space

The backwardness of that continent is actually crazy. Africa is a crime scene.

Sladem05:
Looking at those satellite images of the world, I just realise as to how crazy you are.

South America:
• Population: Approximately 434 million people

Africa:
• Population: Approximately 1.55 billion people

Population Gap:
• Africa’s population is about 1.12 billion larger than South America’s

Yet South America is actually more lit up on satellite images than Africa is in spite of its small population. There is almost nothing in Nigeria or west Africa or Southern Africa (which Includes your precious Botswana)

Approximately 80% of South America’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast. This includes major urban centers like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Lima, Caracas, and Bogotá (even though Bogotá is inland, its economic ties are strongly with the coast) And the vast majority of the coast which is where the citizens reside was lit up.

With Africa (and a specific emphasis Botswana) the complete opposite is true, only 40-50% of Africa’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast.The remaining population of Africa, which is around 50-60% of the total, lives in the inland areas of the continent. Thus, most of Africa should be lit up. But even in the population centres, there is almost no light. Northern Nigeria where most of the Nigerian population resides is pitch , Southern Africa which includes Botswana is also pitch black. All satellite images show all of afriva to be literally the dark continent and most of the population lives inland. 98%+ of Africa is black and that image is from NASA Observatory. Most of South American population is costal. Most of Africa is inland. You wouldn’t think that by looking at Africa at night. It’s literally the dark continent.

It was already concluded on another nairaland thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2668093/photo-africa-europe-night-space

The backwardness of that continent is actually crazy. Africa is a crime scene.

Sladem05:
Looking at those satellite images of the world, I just realise as to how crazy you are.

South America:
• Population: Approximately 434 million people

Africa:
• Population: Approximately 1.55 billion people

Population Gap:
• Africa’s population is about 1.12 billion larger than South America’s

Yet South America is actually more lit up on satellite images than Africa is in spite of its small population. There is almost nothing in Nigeria or west Africa or Southern Africa (which Includes your precious Botswana)

Approximately 80% of South America’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast. This includes major urban centers like São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Lima, Caracas, and Bogotá (even though Bogotá is inland, its economic ties are strongly with the coast) And the vast majority of the coast which is where the citizens reside was lit up.

With Africa (and a specific emphasis Botswana) the complete opposite is true, only 40-50% of Africa’s population lives within 100 kilometers of the coast.The remaining population of Africa, which is around 50-60% of the total, lives in the inland areas of the continent. Thus, most of Africa should be lit up. But even in the population centres, there is almost no light. Northern Nigeria where most of the Nigerian population resides is pitch , Southern Africa which includes Botswana is also pitch black. All satellite images show all of afriva to be literally the dark continent and most of the population lives inland. 98%+ of Africa is black and that image is from NASA Observatory. Most of South American population is costal. Most of Africa is inland. You wouldn’t think that by looking at Africa at night. It’s literally the dark continent.

It was already concluded on another nairaland thread
https://www.nairaland.com/2668093/photo-africa-europe-night-space

The backwardness of that continent is actually crazy. Africa is a crime scene.

Derekmiles:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDZarFsTgoN/?igsh=MWRiamJmZGU2Mnl3dA==

Just tired of texting... 66% is crazy, i mean Nigeria should definitely be higher, we are beyond corrupt; but 66% is crazy.

Sladem05:
I’m also getting tired of texting but what’s 66%?

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, Crime scene... This dude always forgets that he's talking about India. What really sweet me the most is when you started talking about Primitiveness and using certain systemic issues like Open defecation, Genital Mutilation. India had every single one, open defecation was even worse off, nearly half the population. Botswana had almost none... So if you're saying Botswana is primitive due to this issues, which there are almost none in comparison, what is India then please?.

Sladem05:
High violent crime
Dangerous roads
No constant electricity
Is a sign of primitiveness and Botswana has all 3.
Open defacation is a rural issue in India, albino killings is worse in Botswana.

Cousin9999:
This discussion:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1orofSXTAYQ

Derekmiles:
Hmm, it's actually not more dangerous than Nigeria;

"India has lifted more people out of poverty than Botswana or any African nation can imagine. I said this once and I won’t stop saying it".

India also has more 7× more people than the closest most populated African country... Why wouldn't they have more people lifted out of poverty.

"Everything else about the country is just as bad as any other African country whether that’s the infrastructure, crime, healthcare, quality etc. it’s just as much as primitive, wasteland as any other African country"

Most of what you've used to describe primitiveness since, India has in abundance... Botswana barely has any... So this your primitive rhetoric makes me laugh. Botswana Infrastructure is very adequate for its population.

"You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received. You’d be absolutely nuts to think the US has higher quality of life than other developed countries simply because its citizens are richer"

Nobody thinks that, and since QOL is barely ranked, and even when ranked, it has relatively few countries. You can go and read about India's QOL.

"And it’s why I keep on telling that how you measure success depends on perspective, and why is that when talking about the success of the US. You only focused on the power of the US not the QOL it received".

That wasn't a measurement of success, i was stating your claim of Success being subjective... That wasn't even close to a measurement of success😂😂😂.

😂😂😂, never even compared Sub-Saharan african power supply... You are the one that tried to compare the power issues faced by India to the West; India faces everyday power issues in a lot of Cities bro.

😂😂😂, Anytime the dude stats. something that is India has relatively higher, he makes it sound massive... But state the HDI, oh, it becomes Marginal. the economic growth % though? massive😂😂😂.

Do you know were i knew you were deluded, when you said the countless analysts were lying... I was like, yea, i gave up at that point. Botswana QOL stipulates the country as having a relatively high standard of living on average; India is not even there... You talk about Gini, Nigeria has a lower Gini than the U.S, i laughed at that wack criteria a long time ago.

If you are the exception in a consensus, trying to force a narrative is then seen as delusional... You saying several things from today to tomorrow isn't going to change the narrative of how Botswana is viewed by Analyst, and it's definitely not going to change my Narrative, because i will take the words of the analysts over yours anyday.

Derekmiles:
So i gave you actual factual videos, and you spill anecdotal BS😂😂😂.

The conversation has not gone your way at all... You delusionally said countless analysts were wrong, that's delusion... You made original claims on Primitiveness, i showed you how India has most of it, and Botswana doesn't; you still deny... You've been destroyed in this argument for a long time. You outrightly lie, twist, and i just chill... You should watch Rocky 4, you'd be Apollo getting killed by that Dolph.

Cousin9999:
Calm down, bro. I'm on your side. You're Clubber Lang, and Sla is Rocky.

Derekmiles:
Dangerous roads which is even traffic related deaths is a sign of primitiveness?, yea, there are so many developed countries that proves that wrong... It is definitely an issue, but saying primitiveness is laughable.

A rural issue😂😂😂. The 28% of Botswanans without Electricity access are in rural areas like the San people who preferably live nomad. But i guess that will be twisted... India has constant power cuts in major Cities.

Open defecation is an issue, don't twist, i didn't twist the 28% ever since, don't twist narratives... Almost all your main points that you originally used as a sign of primitiveness almost doesn't happen in Botswana, bar the Electricity 28%; almost all your main points you used as a sign of Primitiveness largely occurs in India. I remember actually specificying all the things you used to deem "primitiveness" at the beginning, and showed how India had almost all of them, and Botswana had almost none.

We've not even started talking about the Dalit issues, and so many others, but i will just let those be because i'm actually tired of texting.

Sladem05:
Rural areas of India are electrified even of lesser developed countries than India. I already told you that Africa is rural India 😂😂
Not having constant power in 2024 is crazy 😂

So lack of safety is not primitive?

The US is the only ‘developed’ country with a traffic fatality rate that is high. And it’s still like half of botswna. African countries have the most dangerous roads because they are the most primitive.

Again just ingorw that Nigeria has safer streets and less crime than Botswana 😂

‘Open defecation is an issue, don't twist, i didn't twist the 28% ever since, don't twist narratives... Almost all your main points that you originally used as a sign of primitiveness almost doesn't happen in Botswana, bar the Electricity 28%; almost all your main points you used as a sign of Primitiveness largely occurs in India. I remember actually specificying all the things you used to deem "primitiveness" at the beginning, and showed how India had almost all of them, and Botswana had almost none’

You’re the one that twists the narratives and looks for ways to undermine stats. It’s not just that almost a third of the population has no electricity but high crime and dangerous roads. Botswana is more dangerous than Nigeria. People call Nigeria primitive because of how violent it is in large part. The mroe ciolent a country is, the more primitive it is. Extremely High crime and dangerous roads is something found in Botswana but not India. Swallow that pill. The people your shilling yourselves for are more violent than Nigerians which is crazy 😂😂

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂... Nairaland user Sladem, the greatest analysts of them all😂😂😂, better than every other single analysts out there😂😂😂... When projections like Open defacation doesn't go his way, just deflect and find more nitpicking excuses😂😂.

Sladem05:
Rural areas of India are electrified even of lesser developed countries than India. I already told you that Africa is rural India 😂😂
Not having constant power in 2024 is crazy 😂

So lack of safety is not primitive?

The US is the only ‘developed’ country with a traffic fatality rate that is high. And it’s still like half of botswna. African countries have the most dangerous roads because they are the most primitive.

Again just ingorw that Nigeria has safer streets and less crime than Botswana 😂

‘Open defecation is an issue, don't twist, i didn't twist the 28% ever since, don't twist narratives... Almost all your main points that you originally used as a sign of primitiveness almost doesn't happen in Botswana, bar the Electricity 28%; almost all your main points you used as a sign of Primitiveness largely occurs in India. I remember actually specificying all the things you used to deem "primitiveness" at the beginning, and showed how India had almost all of them, and Botswana had almost none’

You’re the one that twists the narratives and looks for ways to undermine stats. It’s not just that almost a third of the population has no electricity but high crime and dangerous roads. Botswana is more dangerous than Nigeria. People call Nigeria primitive because of how violent it is in large part. The mroe ciolent a country is, the more primitive it is. Extremely High crime and dangerous roads is something found in Botswana but not India. Swallow that pill. The people your shilling yourselves for are more violent than Nigerians which is crazy 😂😂

Cousin9999:
I'm waiting to see how long this dude will keep going. Like, wtf. This is why nonblacks are lame af. They're constantly trying to convince themselves of all kinds of lies. And when the facts smack them, they just spam denial. This is what happens when someone's entire identity is based on bullshit. This is also why they'll burn everything down to protect racism. They have and are nothing else.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂... Nairaland user Sladem, the greatest analysts of them all😂😂😂, better than every other single analysts out there😂😂😂... When projections like Open defacation doesn't go his way, just deflect and find more nitpicking excuses😂😂.

Derekmiles:
So you ain't even Black?😂😂😂... Someone entire identity is based off bullshit; are the analysts entire identity based off bullshit?.

Cousin9999:
I'm waiting to see how long this dude will keep going. Like, wtf. This is why nonblacks are lame af. They're constantly trying to convince themselves of all kinds of lies. And when the facts smack them, they just spam denial. This is what happens when someone's entire identity is based on bullshit. This is also why they'll burn everything down to protect racism. They have and are nothing else.

Derekmiles:
You trying to call statements by Analysts as wrong is more than bullshit and delusional... Given the corruption rates of India, the projections made by Analysts is wrong.

Derekmiles:
I still don't get were you get this more dangerous than Nigeria, Botswana Murder rate is at 11, Nigeria is at 22 or so.

So i guess Saudi Arabia is not developed with a traffic fatality rate of about 22... I guess India is more developed than Malaysia😂😂😂, there are so many more😂😂😂.

Sladem05:
I never said I’m the better analyst. I don’t just read what someone says and mindlessly believe it like you do. And why is that you’re still quiet on the Botswana vs Nigeria issue? You called Nigeria a shithole but at the same time Nigeria is also quite a bit safer than the country you call ‘successful’ 🤣🤣🤣

Cousin9999:
I'm waiting to see how long this dude will keep going. Like, wtf. This is why nonblacks are lame af. They're constantly trying to convince themselves of all kinds of lies. And when the facts smack them, they just spam denial. This is what happens when someone's entire identity is based on bullshit. This is also why they'll burn everything down to protect racism. They have and are nothing else.

Sladem05:
BS it’s 2x higher than Nigeria

Based on the most recent data available, here’s a comparison of violent crime statistics between Botswana and Nigeria:

Murder Rate:
• Botswana: The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) reported a homicide rate of 20.4 per 100,000 people in 2019. 
• Nigeria: According to the UNODC, Nigeria had a homicide rate of 9.3 per 100,000 people in 2021. 

Organized Crime Index:
• Botswana: Botswana has a relatively low organized crime index compared to many African countries. The ENACT Organised Crime Index, which measures the level of countries’ criminality and their resilience to organized crime, places Botswana in a lower category, indicating less prevalence of organized crime. 
• Nigeria: Nigeria has a higher organized crime index, reflecting more significant challenges with organized criminal activities. The ENACT Organised Crime Index places Nigeria in a higher category, indicating a greater prevalence of organized crime. 

Other Violent Crimes:
• Botswana: While specific statistics on other violent crimes like armed robbery and assault are limited, Botswana has been identified as a transit and destination country for human trafficking, with vulnerable groups such as the San community being particularly at risk. 
• Nigeria: Nigeria faces significant challenges with various forms of violent crime, including insurgent violence, kidnappings, and armed robberies. The U.S. Department of State’s 2023 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Nigeria notes credible reports of arbitrary and unlawful killings, including extrajudicial killings, and torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. 

Conclusion:

While Botswana has a higher murder rate per capita compared to Nigeria, Nigeria faces a broader range of violent crimes, including insurgent violence and organized crime. Both countries have unique challenges related to violent crime, with Botswana’s issues being more concentrated in specific areas and Nigeria’s being more widespread.

Here’s the most up-to-date comparison of the murder rates between Botswana and Nigeria:

Murder Rate (per 100,000 people):
• Botswana:
• Murder rate: 20.4 per 100,000 people (2019) (UNODC).
• Nigeria:
• Murder rate: 9.3 per 100,000 people (2021) (UNODC).

Conclusion:
• Botswana has a significantly higher murder rate compared to Nigeria. The murder rate in Botswana is more than twice as high as in Nigeria, indicating a higher level of homicide-related violence per capita in Botswana.

Sladem05:
Yeah all black societies are failures, blacks are inherently more violent and dumber than the rest. It’s a failed race. You say I’m spamming denial when I’ve hit this dude with so many facts that he tries and fails to undermine. Afrocentrism is not reality. Blacks is just poverty and violence everywhere. The world 🌎 is controlled and ruled by Europeans and Asians.

Derekmiles:
Nigeria is literally not safer, Nigeria's murder rate is 22, Botswana's is around 11... Where in the world is that more dangerous, i have told you this countless times before, don't you have eyes or what?.

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂, Nigeria's murder rate has not been 9 since like 2015, were do you even get this stats. from😂😂.

Sladem05:
Yeah all black societies are failures, blacks are inherently more violent and dumber than the rest. It’s a failed race. You say I’m spamming denial when I’ve hit this dude with so many facts that he tries and fails to undermine. Afrocentrism is not reality. Blacks is just poverty and violence everywhere. The world 🌎 is controlled and ruled by Europeans and Asians.

Derekmiles:
Nigeria is literally not safer, Nigeria's murder rate is 22, Botswana's is around 11... Where in the world is that more dangerous, i have told you this countless times before, don't you have eyes or what?.

Sladem05:
Is it that you can’t read? It literally says it right there from UNODC. But you’re right, it is higher but still lower than Botswana.
Botswana:
• Murder rate: According to the World Population Review, Botswana has a homicide rate of 23.6 per 100,000 people as of the latest available data from 2021. This is relatively high compared to global averages.

Nigeria:
• Murder rate: As of the latest data available from Macrotrends for 2019, Nigeria’s murder rate is 21.74 per 100,000 people, showing a decrease from previous years.

Comparison:
• Botswana’s homicide rate (23.6 per 100,000) is higher than Nigeria’s (21.74 per 100,000) according to the most recent available statistics.
• Both countries have experienced fluctuations in violent crime rates over the years, with Nigeria’s homicide rate decreasing since 2016, while Botswana’s rate has remained relatively stable at higher levels.

Thus, based on the most up-to-date data, Botswana has a higher homicide rate compared to Nigeria, indicating more violent crime in terms of murder per capita in Botswana at the moment.

That’s honestly the latest data I can find.