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| Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by AntiChristian(op): 1:04pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi Christmas is demonic - Pastor Olukoya So why are Christians still celebrating it?  |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by budaatum: 1:19pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Not all Christians listen to Kumuyi and Olukoya. They are not the Christian gods. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by MadamVanessa(f): 1:22pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Why is it that the Quran speak against murder but Muslims will not stop tying bombs to themselves and others just to kill multitudes with the aim of going to heaven to shag virgins. Any explanation to this? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by AntiChristian(op): 2:01pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
MadamVanessa:You sabi tell lies! This is in one of the banners! Na only Jesus own you see! Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!. Qur'an 5:32. Demon of bloodshed below: Na this spirit of blood shed they worry you and your people! Samson kills 30 with the spirit of the Lord Boko haram spirit! "Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon him in power, and he went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men..."Judges 14:19: Spirit of the Lord made Samson kill 1000! Judges 15:14-15: "When he came to Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him, and the ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men." Samson go carry Olosho later! Judges 16:1: "One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her." |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by DiamondsAreFore: 2:07pm On Dec 21, 2024 |
Surah 5:32 was plagiarised from The Talmud by allah. The Talmud is not the Torah or the Tanakh. It is the Rabbinical literature of Jewish Scribes, but allah still plagiarised from it and included portions of it in the koran!😂😂😂 AntiChristian: |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 10:08am On Dec 26, 2024 |
AntiChristian:You have not responded to my complaints. If the Law i.e the Torah, is supreme by virtue of its authority and the circumstances surrounding its revelation, why should any sane person shove it aside for new laws? If you say that God gave the Torah to the Jews then you just lied. That is a lie. What then should be the guiding principles for non-Jews who lived at the time the Torah was given? And if God didn't deem it unfair to monopolise himself then by revealing his revelations to only the Jews (of the time) and not all nations as you say of the Torah, this, of course, raises many questions about his justice and character. If it right to reveal himself to only one nation at a point in history where there were many nations, don't you think God's actions are always right since he neither learns nor improve upon his knowledge. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Zaheertyler(m): 6:25pm On Dec 26, 2024 |
Their imaginations |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Kingsempires(m): 7:24pm On Dec 26, 2024 |
MadamVanessa:Lol |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by AntiChristian(op): 7:49am On Dec 27, 2024 |
Baldwretch:This is because Moses was sent to a particular people and not to the world. Some Prophet were sent to their people, some a nation and the last Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam was sent to the world of mankind and Jinn. While the previous messages were not meant to be used till the world ends.The Qur'an is meant to be till the world ends! If you say that God gave the Torah to the Jews then you just lied. That is a lie. What then should be the guiding principles for non-Jews who lived at the time the Torah was given? And if God didn't deem it unfair to monopolise himself then by revealing his revelations to only the Jews (of the time) and not all nations as you say of the Torah, this, of course, raises many questions about his justice and character.God did send messengers to all nations. We are only informed of a few of them. And Torah is a major scripture with laws. There are other revealed scriptures to Abraham, Jacob, Ishmael, Isaac and others! Abraham and Noah were not Jews! If it right to reveal himself to only one nation at a point in history where there were many nations, don't you think God's actions are always right since he neither learns nor improve upon his knowledge.Allah sent messengers to the nations of the world at particular times. It is clear Allah is just as He would not punish anyone without prior message. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” [Al-Isra 17:15] |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:37am On Dec 27, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Idolatry has an indepth meaning than what most people think but it's OK since majority of humans love IDOLATRY!  |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Truvelisback(m): 12:14pm On Dec 27, 2024 |
AntiChristian:It's their opinion. I wanna ask you. If you celebrate something on a specific day every year and idol worshippers chose that same day for their celebration, does it make your Celebration evil? |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Petalss(m): 8:31pm On Dec 27, 2024 |
MadamVanessa:Why does the Bible speak against the worship of graven images or statues, yet some Christians continue practices such as bowing before statues of Mary, saints, or even showing excessive reverence toward their pastors? Is there a theological or cultural justification for this? If you have an explanation for this apparent act, it would also be helpful to provide an explanation to clarify the explanation you requested for above. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 6:59am On Dec 30, 2024 |
AntiChristian:I have it sorted (device issue) so you can always count on as faster response time. I am back online. Give it to me hot-hot! Now, I hope that your circular train of thought that allows Muhammad to declare as scripture whatever he thinks is true without using previous revelation of God to validate his claims would not hold here. I hope this discussion would not turn into another whatever Muhammad-says-is-the-truth because Muhammad said it. Now in my secondary school days, while I was a student, I had teachers renowned for dishing handouts with longer handwritten notes. Usually, the class rep or one of the most intelligent students in the class gets these teachers' handwritten notes. The intelligent student or the rep then copies the note with his friends. He (as well as his friends) pass their copied note on to others who also do the same. In a span of a day or two or maybe three, all students have the notes copied already. Who is to say that the teacher wronged the students getting his notes copied this way if he spends a large chunk of his classroom period explaining the contents thereof? Who is to decide how the teacher is to get his note across to the students? Who can actually call the teacher to question for this teaching method? Is he not still the teacher? Is God not still GOD and even more sovereign than a classroom teacher? What if I told you that you're WRONG. Actually, you're wrong because half-truths can still contextually pass off as lies. Where did you get the idea that Moses was sent only to the people of Israel and not to the world at large? He was sent to deliver the people of Israel, but does that mean he wasn't sent to the world too. And WHO TOLD YOU THAT YAHWEH WOULD NOT BE PREACHED, GLORIFIED, AND MANY DISCIPLES MADE FOR HIM BY THOSE KNOWN AS CUSTODIANS OF THE LAW (AS HIS MESSENGERS) WHEN THEY WAGE AND WIN WARFARE BY HIS ASSISTANCE? Just because some student would, for various reasons, complain that they couldn't copy the given handwritten note does not in anyway speak of inefficiency on the teacher's part. Does a teacher have to give each of the students his handwritten notes to get it across? Does he have to? Does God have to? Does he have to come down with attendant fire, smoke, cloud, trumpets, leery eyes, trembling joints to make his laws known? Shouldn't testimony from those he has covenanted with suffice for those who sincerely want to seek him (just as Faith in the existence of GOD is) since his goodness, power, justice, his laws, his being and many more speak with much volume and with incontrovertible evidence. Would a witty manufacturer be any less just, good, fair, kind, honest, and patient if he chooses to deal with one big dealer as opposed to many small buyers for his wares? Would you call his character to question for that? Looking at this from a purely financial prudential point of view, what should be termed wiser: To deal with a million twenty-five Naira buyers of a particular ware or to deal with a single billion Naira buyer? Meditating on God's character, do you think that if God were a manufacturer, he would want to deal with many small buyers as opposed to one big trusted dealer? God almost never deal with all of mankind (or all nations) otherwise he would have to come down every time to correct, reward, or scold his creatures on an individual basis and that is why he has representatives. We call them the prophets. If it is not unrighteous of God to use his prophets from antiquity vis-a-vis a direct communication with many small buyers (which, in this case, are the rebellious ones) then it stands to reason that God wanting the world of mankind to know and feel their way to him through a tribe he has chosen - which, in this case, is the Jewish tribe is perfectly in line with sound reasoning. You need to explain why God, dealing with people on a case-by-case basis, individually, is not a more balanced, fairer, and better approach than using representatives and why God doesn't use that approach. If it is okay to use representatives to call the people to order. These representatives whom we call prophets, then it should be okay, too, to use a kind of representatives for the whole of the human race. We call this kind of representatives the Jews. In the history of the human race, we have not had another documented people who are known as custodians of the Law of God. The manner, circumstances, and events surrounding how they received the law speaks with loud decibel that they are the chosen ones, or class rep. I ask you, what if God wants the class (the world) to get the note (the law) from their class rep (a chosen tribe, which in this case, is Jewish)? Your take on Muhammad being the last prophet is also wrong. When Moses was sent to the people of Israel and not to the world at large as you're insinuating, who, then, was sent to the world at large, or are you saying mankind had no need for a prophet sent to it at that time? Tell me his name and where he lived. I want to know what laws he preached and how he received it. You cannot, for the life of you, exonerate God for not taking responsibilities for misguidance if he had to wait till the 7th century when thousands and thousands of people had roamed the earth and died without a clue to his laws before sending a prophet for the benefit of all of mankind. If you say none was sent, should God be blamed for misguidance since for a large part of humanity until the 7th century when Muhammad came, mankind had no laws or may I say a prophet. And even the very idea that Muhammad is even a prophet of God is extremely nonsensical: were the Arabs at any point in their history custodians of the law, or given the Law of God? I hate to use the Bible to prove that the Bible is true. I prefer to rely on reasoning and logic, but let me enter the waters a bit. Your assertion that prophets were sent to their own people and not the world at large is laughably false. In the book of Deuteronomy, we read about instructions for admittance of non Jewish nations - the Egyptians, the Edomites, the Moabites, the Ammonites, etc, etc - into the designated temple where God is worshiped. If the law as given to Moses is not intended for the world at large, then there should be no provisions for these nations. Please read Deu. 23: 3 - 7. God does not need to give each student (nations, in this case) the Law to get them to worship him. His intention as I stated earlier is that the nations feel their way towards him through his representatives especially the Laws he has given them.[/quote] 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:15am On Dec 30, 2024 |
Their hearts are troubled because the light of the world (Jehovah's Witnesses) have spoken so their conscience is disturbing them they're only trying to play safe because they know that Christmas is pagan festival but only Jehovah's Witnesses stood our ground on the matter as for Kumuyi or Olukoya It's only within their headquarters that they pretends their members are celebrating the pagan festival in their homes. Check the screenshot below abeg what is happening? 
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| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 9:21pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Continuing: 1. The Jews entered the Promised Land through warfare and would almost certainly expand by the same act. It seems logical then to infer that God's tool of propagating the Torah and himself (by implication) is a very effective strategy at the time - warfare. Conversion happens by force, not by some flowery words. Preaching to conquered territories would come naturally. They wouldn't have to be instructed to do it. After all, the nation that propagates the ideas of its God and its religion is not the one that is commanded by its holy books to do so, but the one that succeeds quite well in the act of warfare. That should be quite obvious. Fighting wars in ancient times is almost inevitable. There would always be reasons to fight. And the more successful you are in the battlefield, the more likely you are to proselytize people and get nations to your God. God already promised and guaranteed victory to the Jewish nations if they obeyed his laws, so it is not true at all that Moses was sent to only Israel and not to the world at large. If God was going to give them a Land through wars, he would almost certainly keep them and expand their territories through the same act. It seems it's only a matter of time before subjugated nations and people worship the one true God even though they would not willingly worship initially. God does not have to spell out an obvious truth (in the Torah) on how he was going to use the Jews to draw mankind to himself after giving the Law. If the Jews expanded and conquered territories, wouldn't people be forced to accept their religion? The point I am making is that Muhammad's claim that he Torah was sent through Moses for the benefit of the Jews is gross error. The Torah is supposed to benefit all of mankind for all ages. 2. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by tctrills: 11:41pm On Dec 30, 2024 |
AntiChristian:That is his personal opinion. No day of the year is demonic. And celebrating the birth of our Saviour is the opposite of idolatry. If the argument is that it is not scriptural then we all can agree. No one will go to heaven for celebrating it or for not celebrating it. Christianity is not as difficult as we sometimes make it. 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by AntiChristian(op): 8:26am On Dec 31, 2024 |
tctrills:It's not a personal opinion! The origin is idolatrous! Even moreso you still follow what lack evidence from your so-called scripture! Anyways, no so Christianity be. You just follow others' whims and desires! |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by AntiisIam(m): 8:31am On Dec 31, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Bobo you no carry Paul's matter for head again na Christmas matter you carry now for head abi? Who is more demonic and idolatrous than those celebrating mawlud and circumbulating kaaba the shrine of allah half naked 2 Likes
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| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:49am On Dec 31, 2024 |
AntiChristian:I came across this so i decided to respond! There are many religions on planet earth each having it's headquarters in one country or another so we can liken these religions to money that we need to purchase what we need. What happens when we want to talk about FAKE MONEY? The Original money: • Should be available everywhere. • Able to buy what we need anywhere we go. • Hardworking citizens should feel cool with it. • Fraudsters can't earn it, its only by hardwork. But in all places fraudsters will try to imitate it and spend it for unsuspecting individuals so lots of fake money will be found in circulation having the resemblance of the original. Christianity is the only true religion but since many don't care to figure out how to identify true Christianity Satan initiated lots of fake religions all in the name of Jesus Christ! Matthew 13:25 |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by tctrills: 9:54am On Dec 31, 2024*. Modified: 11:37am On Dec 31, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Again you are wrong. The origin of every day is Holy. God made the days so no day belongs to the devil or to idolatry. Just because some idol worshiper chose a particular day doesn't make that day evil. Remember Psalm 118: 24 This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. No day was made by or for the devil. The beauty of Christianity is our freedom. We are not slaves. We keep God's commandments as stated in the scriptures; beyond that, we can decide what we celebrate or don't. For Christians as long as an action isn't against God's will as stated in the scriptures and taught by his spirit, we would not be condemned for it. Anyway, I don't blame you. I completely understand why this will be difficult for a Muslim to comprehend. Do you get it now? If for example, I choose to celebrate Jesus Christ's walking on water every Eid al-Fitr day, as long as I am not breaking any commandment and I am observing the word of God, it will not be counted as a sin unto me. God created us to be different and he understands that we will worship him in our different ways. That's why we don't have a central time for prayer. One more thing. Now this is my opinion. Remember that the angels in heaven celebrated the birth of Christ? So it's not a very crazy idea for humans to do the same. Or what do you think? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 11:55am On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:God revealed Himself to ALL Nations of the World. Research it. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 1:48pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Lukuluku69:Good! Good one. Welcome to the party. I am more than pleased to serve you breakfast and lunch. Okay, so it jollof rice, fried rice, or both you want for breakfast, or maybe you wanna eat one of my favourite snacks Dankwa made from tiger nuts, or maybe it's big-big tiger nuts, or Nkwoba, or Isi Ewu (goat head), or spaghetti and all sorts of assorted added, or...... DO you want? You want? Just tell me what you want to eat I am more than ready to have you served chicken wings, friend potatoes, toasted shawarma, baked shit, camel legs or whatever (served on your very table) for lunch? What do you want to eat sef? Well, newsflash. God did not. God didn't even reveal himself to MOST nations of the world and here you are, here you are talking of God revealing himself to ALL nations of the world. HA! What a bold, bold, audacious claim. You said what again? Do you have one, not two, even one, not two, I need just one documented evidence that the Abrahamic God (who revealed himself to Moses in the burning bush) revealed himself to another human race, tribe, or ethnicity and gave them his laws at any point in their history? Can you prove it? DO you have one? The burden of proof is on you to show that God revealed and covenanted himself to at least one other nation besides the Jews. It's on you to prove, not on me to disprove because the glaring evidence before us says there is none. At least we have no documented record of any. See, if you can prove it, then I would believe you and retract my claims, but the truth is, YOU CAN'T. Not that I have excess but for the sake of this discussion, I can even motivate you with a little wads off naira note to get you to do your research and share it here with me. I guess God revealed himself to the Yoruba race before we embraced African Traditional religion too. Lol. I'd tell you what God said through Amos the the third chapter and second verse of his book: From among all the families on the earth, I have been intimate with you alone. That is why I must punish you for all your sins.” Moses asked the Israelite in the book of Deuteronomy: "Has any nation ever heard the voice of God speaking from fire—as you did—and survived?" Of course, none.  |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 2:08pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:Lol God did but of course you won't see that if you take the Bible alone as God's word and the Israelites His Children. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 2:18pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Lukuluku69:I am ready to see it from your point of view, that is why I am asking you to prove it. I am begging - begging with tears of blood - for you to prove it. If you say God revealed himself to ALL nations of the world, then you should be able to prove that he revealed himself to at least one other nation besides the Jews. The truth is, no, he didn't. From the time God made the first man until now, God has not revealed himself to any other nation, covenanted himself with them, and gave them his laws EXCEPT the Jews. Of course, I am talking about the timeline of human history that excludes humans who lived before the great Flood. Can you prove it, if yes, please do. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 2:33pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:I like your open minded approach but the truth you seek can only be gotten if you research ALL. I am Yoruba and it wasn't the Missionary or the Arabs Muslims that gave my Culture the idea of God. The Quran in Chapter 13:36 talked about a Messenger amongst all Nations. You won't see that emphatic statement in any other Book but evidence abounds that before many cultures of the World met, the idea of God has been amongst many Nations. Abraham was at one point in his Life before a certain Priest in Salem, Moses was taught how to judge by Jethro despite having the Laws from God. The Persians had Zarathustra, so was Bhudda, Ballam etc. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 2:45pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:Ballam was not a Jew nor from Israel. Jonah, Job, Jethro were not Jews nor Israelites yet God revealed Himself to these guys. The Mistake you are making is that you take the Bible alone as the only revealed book. Google Search for the Zoroastrian Holy Book and read. Their is an Hammurabi Code. Find it and read. The Wise Men at babe Jesus crib were looking for a Deliverer as prophesied by Zarathustra in the Magi/Zoroastrian Faith, I ask you, was it the Devil that revealed that to them 600 years before Christ? |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:04pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:The advantage the Jews/Israelites had was that God raised MANY Messengers amongst them which still proved useless in their case because they remain a Reprobate people till date. There are many places even in the Bible that God said he will abandon them and would make them jealous too as they made God jealous by going after other gods. How would God make one Nation Jealous? By raising another Nation doing the Right thing and that can only happened thru inspiration. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 3:06pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Lukuluku69:Thank you. I like your open-mindedness to discuss about this too.  . I have shake (abi na shaked, shook) your hands! Lukuluku69:No sir, this is very incorrect. They were the ones who gave your culture the idea of an Abrahamic God. Before then, you had none. The idea of a god is the fetish ones you worshiped. You need to understand that before the Islamic missionaries came, our people were neck-deep in fetishism and worshiped these gods. These gods gave them their laws and they had prophets, we call them - herbalist or babalawo. It was still very rife and practiced deep into the 20th century. The stories, which are actually myths and folklore, of Oya, Obatalla, Sango and all the other gods were either a part of the tales propagated by these gods or they were conjured up stories to explain our origin. Man always wants to know where he came from - the chicken or the eggs which came first - kind of thoughts. Before the advent of the christian and Islamic missionaries, our culture never held onto an all-powerful, monotheistic God who created, oversees, and recompensed his creatures. They held onto their own gods which the bible calls Spirit Prince. These gods had their limits and had laws that were not always in tandem with the Abrahamic ones. If thoughts of the Abrahamic deity is not held, then well may we say that no belief in God is held whatsoever. You need to believe in a supreme, all powerful deity to have a solid belief in a deity at all. Lukuluku69:There you go, using the Quran to prove that the Quran is true. What kind of circular argument is this. Can Muhammad prove that God instructed these nations in his Laws before making another bold claim that God sends messengers to these nations when they go astray? No, of course, he can't. The truth is, Muhammad lied. It is not true at all that there is a messenger amongst nations. God would have to be known by the people before he sends messengers to them. That is not true of any nation besides the Jews. God would have to covenant himself to the people and they'd have to do likewise before he sends messengers to them. I could go on and on, but the truth is, we don't have even a tiny shred of evidence that there is a messenger from the Abrahamic god to the nations in times past. No, I am not talking of a babalawo or one of Bhudda's prophet. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:26pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Baldwretch:1. The Yorubas believed in a Creator God. He has others Orishas (The Chosen) who run errands or assist in Creation. 2. The same way you are quoting Amos that God never revealed Himself to others is The same Right I have to quote from the Quran nah. Quran 13:36 says other Nations have benefited from God's inspiration at one time on their history. |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 3:44pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Lukuluku69:You are misunderstanding me. I did not say that the Jews are the only righteous people in human history because they had the law of God. I said the Jews were the only ones in human history to have received a law from God and to be to be in a covenant with this same God, the Abrahamic god. No other nation on the face of the planet has had this privilege. There is no record of any. Not that I or even you know. Yes, there might be extremely few humans, definitely outnumbered, and yes it may so happen that in an ancient city, we find one, two, or three people God is particularly pleased with despite never having received his laws, but I am thrusting on the words of Muhammad because he is piggybacking on a false claim of being a messenger, on being the last messenger, and on the fact that he is a prophet from the line of Abraham. His claim falsely argues that people can be instructed, scolded, and warned by a prophet when they have not received God's law and they are not in a relationship with him or even know him. That is error. Now, on Balam - Balaam is not Jewish, granted, but the nation of which he is resident neither received, nor know the one true God. They were eventually destroyed, you know, and there is no record that God bonded with them at any point which tells a lot. God does not destroy the nation he loves and has bonded with unless they become very rebellious. We can't even tell that he pleased God. Job is not Jewish, yes, but how does one righteous person amidst the multitude negate my statement. A man can still be righteous even if he has not received God's law, but that is speaking statistically, like winning Royal Flushes in a game of Poker. Jonah is a Jew. He is mentioned in the book of 1 or 2 Kings 14 after prophesying about an event that eventually happened. Jethro isn't, but we can't tell if lived well or not. And all I have mentioned thus far does not in anyway give conclusive evidence or even indicate in the slightest way that these "righteous ones" were sent to their own people by the same Abrahamic God that instructed Moses in the Burning Bush. You see the problem. I hope you see it. Did he send them? Actually, the question should be, did he give these ones or the lands where they lived in his life-giving laws? there is no Judgment without a constitution, after all. The judgment is read from the constitution. God is not an unjust judge, sir. The Mistake you are making is that you take the Bible alone as the only revealed book. Lukuluku69:I need to ask you the more important question. Is the Zoroastrian holy book inspired by the same God that appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush? Clearly, the answer is no. I don't even have to read the book to give a definite answer. The book is a document myth and folklore passed down the ages and so also are all the others you mentioned or think of. We don't know where the wise men came from or what nationality they are in. All we know is that they came from the East. There is no correlation between the Magi/Zoroastrian Faith and the Christian God. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Did Some Pastors Say Christmas Is Demonic Or Idolatrous? by Baldwretch: 4:02pm On Dec 31, 2024 |
Lukuluku69:No, you don't have the rights to quote from the Quran because the Quran claims that 1. The Quran, claiming to emanate from the Abrahamic God, has not substantially proven the authority it claims it has. As an authority and the first on the matter, the Torah proves itself. The Quran needs to be proven to be true since it came after, but sadly, it has not been proven so. 2. Its prophet is from the line of Abraham, but earlier revelations makes no such claim. In addition, there is nothing like a prophet without a law, and since the Arabs were never at any point in their history given the law of God, the Abrahamic God would not send a prophet to them to promise a great reward or to warn of his judgment. As I said earlier, the judgment is read from the constitution ,sir. No constitution (law), no judgment and hence no prophet. God is not unjust. 3. The Quran cherry picks earlier revelation as truth. It scuttles through the whole revelation; dismissing some, modifying others, and accepting a few as truth. This does not look like a book to take seriously if you would be thought of as coming from the Abrahamic God. I would not have problems with Muhammad at all if he claims to be a prophet from the line of Zoroaster or Hindi . |
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