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Nachmonides:
Yes I wrote it. What about it?

It doesn't change anything, he wasn't exalted to a place of authority above his nature, he simply "un-emptied" himself.

Paul provides a framework for understanding Jesus’ exaltation in Philippians 2:5-11:

Humiliation:

Jesus "emptied Himself" (kenosis), not by ceasing to be divine, but by taking on human form and submitting to the limitations of humanity.

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:6-8 ).


Exaltation:

After His resurrection, God exalted Him and gave Him "the name that is above every name" (Philippians 2:9).

This exaltation is not about increasing Jesus' divine nature but about affirming His work as the Messiah.


Jesus’ exaltation primarily pertains to His human nature and His role as the Messiah, not His divine nature.

Nachmonides:
It doesn't change anything, he wasn't exalted to a place of authority above his nature, he simply "un-emptied" himself.

Paul provides a framework for understanding Jesus’ exaltation in Philippians 2:5-11:

Humiliation:

Jesus "emptied Himself" (kenosis), not by ceasing to be divine, but by taking on human form and submitting to the limitations of humanity.

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:6-8 ).


Exaltation:

After His resurrection, God exalted Him and gave Him "the name that is above every name" (Philippians 2:9).

This exaltation is not about increasing Jesus' divine nature but about affirming His work as the Messiah.


Jesus’ exaltation primarily pertains to His human nature and His role as the Messiah, not His divine nature.

Note that I have been saying he has 2 natures.

100% man and 100% God


His divine nature always is static, his human nature was exalted to a place, or position above, a position of authority.


Signifying man's restoration to glory, which man conceded to the evil one in the beginning.

Basically, man fell in the First Adam, man rises in the Second or Last Adam.

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A global flood.



Maybe i can find one for you that attests to a global flood, since you seem to want an expert.

The good thing about science is you don't need to have experienced a phenomenon to be able to predict what effects it will have.

Find one and let's examine their expertise and their submissions.

Nachmonides:
Yes I wrote it. What about it?

or you were quick to respond this time, why are you avoiding the other posts 😁😀

Nachmonides:
Hebrew (Masoretic Text)

יְהוָה נְאֻם לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד־אָשִׂית אֹיְבֶיךָ הֲדֹם לְרַגְלֶיךָ
> Transliteration
Yahweh ne'um la'Adoni shev limini ad ashit oyvecha hadom leraglecha
> Literal Translation
"The LORD said to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.'"
Comparison Between KJV and NWT
King James Version (KJV)
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
New World Translation (NWT)
"Jehovah declared to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.'"



+ Divine Name (YHWH):

KJV: Uses "The LORD" (in all caps), the traditional way of representing the Hebrew name Yahweh without pronouncing it.

NWT: Explicitly uses "Jehovah," which is the transliteration of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH).


++ Second "Lord" (Adoni):

Both versions translate Adoni as "my Lord," recognizing it as a title of respect and authority.



+++ Action of Sitting:

Both agree on the command to "sit at My right hand," representing honor, authority, and exaltation.



++++ Enemies as a Footstool:

Both convey the same imagery of God making the enemies of the Lord (Messiah) subordinate, though the NWT phrases it slightly differently ("a stool for your feet" instead of "thy footstool".


The main difference lies in the rendering of the divine name. The NWT prioritizes the use of "Jehovah" to reflect God's personal name, while the KJV follows traditional Jewish reverence by substituting it with "LORD."

The overall meaning remains consistent between both translations, emphasizing God's promise to exalt the Messiah and subdue His enemies.

Do you support the rendering of the divine name as Lord?
If so how do you pronounce the two lords @ Psalm 110:1 differently?

Nachmonides:
It doesn't change anything, he wasn't exalted to a place of authority above his nature, he simply "un-emptied" himself.

Paul provides a framework for understanding Jesus’ exaltation in Philippians 2:5-11:

Humiliation:

Jesus "emptied Himself" (kenosis), not by ceasing to be divine, but by taking on human form and submitting to the limitations of humanity.

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:6-8 ).


Exaltation:

After His resurrection, God exalted Him and gave Him "the name that is above every name" (Philippians 2:9).

This exaltation is not about increasing Jesus' divine nature but about affirming His work as the Messiah.


Jesus’ exaltation primarily pertains to His human nature and His role as the Messiah, not His divine nature.

Think about it, God, Jesus, the Son of God, emptied himself.

If he can empty himself, don't you think he can un-empty himself?

Jesus explicitly claimed that He would raise His own body:

John 2:19-21:
“Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.’ But the temple He had spoken of was His body.”

Here, Jesus clearly states that He will raise His own body after His death.


John 10:17-18:
“The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Jesus emphasizes His divine authority to both lay down His life and take it up again, pointing to His active role in His resurrection.




If you want, we can also see where the Father and the Holy Spirit also had a hand in his resurrection. Yet Jesus said he will raise it up HIMSELF.

gohf:
or you were quick to respond this time, why are you avoiding the other posts 😁😀

I said I will respond to you on that.

I responded to this one because it is directly related to what Max and I are discussing and I felt I should touch it.

The others I didn't feel like it.

Nachmonides:
I said I will respond to you on that.

I responded to this one because it is directly related to what Max and I are discussing and I felt I should touch it.

The others I didn't feel like it.

you think you can confuse people by saying restoration is exaltation to mask the fact that Jesus was exalted and honored. Now not because he lacked honor but he was given greater honor but you don't want to accept that Jesus was given greater honor

MaxInDHouse:
Do you support the rendering of the divine name as Lord?
If so how do you pronounce the two lords @ Psalm 110:1 differently?

That's a question of the English language.
If I were Hebrew you wouldn't ask me.

Since I speak English, I would ask; is one person speaking to himself or another.

It's not a matter of support, JW's use of Jehovah is not wrong or bad.


What I'm saying is that in the Hebrew there's a distinction;
The distinction between "LORD" (YHWH) and "Lord" (Adoni) in Psalm 110:1

gohf:
you think you can confuse people by saying restoration is exaltation to mask the fact that Jesus was exalted and honored. Now not because he lacked honor but he was given greater honor but you don't want to accept that Jesus was given greater honor

I agree he was given greater honour; his human nature was.

That's why we humans have the possibility of getting saved when we believe in his death burial and resurrection.

I, however do not accept that his divine nature was exalted.

Do you see the difference now?

It all boils down to whether you see him as God or not from the scriptures
Back to square 1.
If you don't see it, you'll forever argue it.

LordReed:
The good thing about science is you don't need to have experienced a phenomenon to be able to predict what effects it will have.

Is global flood science? i thought it was divine judgment.

Find one and let's examine their expertise and their submissions.

Can't waste such time without specs.

Nachmonides:
I agree he was given greater honour; his human nature was.

That's why we humans have the possibility of getting saved when we believe in his death burial and resurrection.

I, however do not accept that his divine nature was exalted.

Do you see the difference now?

It all boils down to whether you see him as God or not from the scriptures
Back to square 1.
If you don't see it, you'll forever argue it.

so his human nature was honored so who is at the right hand of God his human nature or his divine nature?
🤣

gohf:
so his human nature was honored so who is at the right hand of God his human nature or his divine nature?
🤣

Jesus is.

gohf:
so is God now one or is He three

If you say God is both one and three, then in what realm does he exist as one and in what realm does he exist as three

If you say in the same realm, then doesn't that count has four, God who is one and God who is three

Now if you say it is Godhood or Godship, it means there is no God but a title shared by three entities, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The question now is how did they attain the title since you say it is just one title, God?


Guy the reason you also run as nothing to do with my understanding that rubbish and nonsense called trinity, but your reaction as darkness to light, as the blind to God's revelation and to a wisdom you cannot gainsay on.

You want to ignore that you believe of John 1:1 that the word was God and John 1:14 the word became flesh. Means God became flesh, so did he lose his godhood so as to die but then, he doesn't change but you believe he did... meaning he is a false god, a lying one you believe in.

Those questions I asked above you will ignore and run as usually but it's okay.

Nachmonides since yesterday you run o

This one is 1.

Nachmonides:
Jesus is.

but you said he has two natures right, one was honored while the other was restored, so which of the two is at the right hand of God or it both of them 😁

Nachmonides:
That's a question of the English language.
If I were Hebrew you wouldn't ask me.

Since I speak English, I would ask; is one person speaking to himself or another.

It's not a matter of support, JW's use of Jehovah is not wrong or bad.


What I'm saying is that in the Hebrew there's a distinction;
The distinction between "LORD" (YHWH) and "Lord" (Adoni) in Psalm 110:1

So to help someone who is not Hebrew let's put the original words there:

Psalms 110:1

YWHW said to Adonai "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Check Joel 2:32
For everyone who calls on the name of YWHW will be saved.

Who is the Lord Paul talked about @ 1Corinthians 2:16 that we can't know His mind but we can have the mind of Christ?

Is it YHWH or JESUS?

gohf:
all the one you heard, what did you do with it, you ignored it, and yoh want a repeat again.

Heb 11:3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word....

So from the beginning the word was with God and in God was the word which is life, and that life WAS light to men, not because the word stopped being light but because the light had returned back to God. And while the light was here, John the Baptist bore witness to it, that he John wasn't the light but Jesus.
Now though God created the world through Jesus, the world did not know him nor receive him but to all who believed him, accepted him he gave them the power to become children of God. Children not born carnally but born of God and so the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Nachmonides since yesterday you run o

This one is 2, after all your nonsense noise for many days you ignored my first response and lied for many days that i never responded to you. Now just like I predicted you are avoiding it

gohf:
but you said he has two natures right, one was honored while the other was restored, so which of the two is at the right hand of God or it both of them 😁

This is what I said:

His exaltation after His earthly mission was a restoration of glory, not a promotion beyond His nature.

MaxInDHouse:
So to help someone who is not Hebrew let's put the original words there:

Psalms 110:1

YWHW said to Adonai "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Check Joel 2:32
For everyone who calls on the name of YWHW will be saved.

Who is the Lord Paul talked about @ 1Corinthians 2:16 that we can't know His mind but we can have the mind of Christ?

Is it YHWH or JESUS?

Psalms 110:1 is not Adonai but Adoni

There's a difference.

Let's not go to other scriptures first but focus on this one, if we go, we'll digress much.

Yes we'll talk about the others but let's look at what the Psalms 110:1 says.

Do you see that in the Original Hebrew it is Adoni used?

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Is global flood science? i thought it was divine judgment.



Can't waste such time without specs.

The effects of a global flood would be very scientifically detectable.

Get an expert in geology that has geological evidence for the flood. Next get a biology expert that can show how plants survived the flood with the way the flora is set up now. Let's start with those.

Nachmonides:
This is what I said:

His exaltation after His earthly mission was a restoration of glory, not a promotion beyond His nature.

This is you Nachmonides who wrote and I quote
"I, however do not accept that his divine nature was exalted."
🤣🤣👍

LordReed:
The effects of a global flood would be very scientifically detectable.

Get an expert in geology that has geological evidence for the flood. Next get a biology expert that can show how plants survived the flood with the way the flora is set up now. Let's start with those.

It's no normal flood, right? It's a global divine flood. The type that covers mountains and has rains for 40days.
Again, who is an expert in geology? i don't need you questioning his university or nationality or experience after my efforts. So,let's see your criteria for expert. One man's expert is another man's apprentice.

gohf:
This is you Nachmonides who wrote and I quote
"I, however do not accept that his divine nature was exalted."
🤣🤣👍

Yes I wrote both of them.

What's the error there, he wasn't exalted to a position above his divine nature doesn't mean his divine nature wasn't there and he had to be exalted to the position of his divine nature.


He is 100% God and 100% man.

His human nature was exalted to the position of his divine nature.
His human nature is now without limitations, blemish, weakness.

Modified:

[s]What's the error there, he wasn't exalted to a position above his divine nature doesn't mean his divine nature wasn't there and he had to be exalted to the position of his divine nature.
[/s] (Strike through)
To avoid confusion

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It's no normal flood, right? It's a global divine flood. The type that covers mountains and has rains for 40days.
Again, who is an expert in geology? i don't need you questioning his university or nationality or experience after my efforts. So,let's see your criteria for expert. One man's expert is another man's apprentice.

Why won't we question his credentials? What if he is a fraud how would we know? I am not sure why you don't want me to question, are you uncertain of their expertise?

Nachmonides:
Psalms 110:1 is not Adonai but Adoni

There's a difference.

Let's not go to other scriptures first but focus on this one, if we go, we'll digress much.

Yes we'll talk about the others but let's look at what the Psalms 110:1 says.

Do you see that in the Original Hebrew it is Adoni used?

What is the difference between Adonai Adonis?

Look the divine name YHWH was never shared with anyone else except the most high God which means it belongs to only one person but the title Adonai/Adonis means Lord or Master so David said:

YHWH said to my Adonai/Adonis "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Therefore the divine name that KJV replaced with title "LORD" is WRONG as any listener can't distinguish who is who when the reader says
"the Lord said to my Lord"

That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses are unitedly doing what JEHOVAH says without arguing, insulting, abusing or cursing one another because the spirit of Jehovah is WORKING with us!

LordReed:
Why won't we question his credentials? What if he is a fraud how would we know? I am not sure why you don't want me to question, are you uncertain of their expertise?

What academic qualification makes one an expert in geology then?

MaxInDHouse:
What is the difference between Adonai Adonis?

Look the divine name YHWH was never shared with anyone else except the most high God which means it belongs to only one person but the title Adonai/Adonis means Lord or Master so David said:

YHWH said to my Adonai/Adonis "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet"

Therefore the divine name that KJV replaced with title "LORD" is WRONG as any listener can't distinguish who is who when the reader says
"the Lord said to my Lord"

That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses are unitedly doing what JEHOVAH says without arguing, insulting, abusing or cursing one another because the spirit of Jehovah is WORKING with us!

The difference between "Adonai" and "Adoni" is that:

Adonai: This term is used in the Old Testament, predominantly in reference to God, and it can be translated as "My Lord" or "Lord" in the sense of acknowledging God's sovereign authority. It is a title of divine reverence and is often used when referring to God.

Adoni: This word, on the other hand, is used in the Bible to refer to a human "lord" or "master," as in "my lord" or "my master." It refers to a person with authority or rulership but not in the divine sense that "Adonai" does.


Do you see the difference?
Do you know the implications of this word used in Psalms 110:1 and the implications of Jesus quoting it in Matthew 26:44 and in Mark and Luke?

MaxInDHouse:
Therefore the divine name that KJV replaced with title "LORD" is WRONG as any listener can't distinguish who is who when the reader says
"the Lord said to my Lord"

I'm not loyal to the KJV, I'm loyal to the original text.

Leave the KJV, the original says Yahweh and Adoni.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why only Jehovah's Witnesses are unitedly doing what JEHOVAH says without arguing, insulting, abusing or cursing one another because the spirit of Jehovah is WORKING with us!

What has Jehovah called the Jehovah Witness to do according to scriptures?

Let's even look at it.

LordReed:
Why won't we question his credentials? What if he is a fraud how would we know? I am not sure why you don't want me to question, are you uncertain of their expertise?

Frauds will be known by their failure to yield positive results regarding God's purpose {Matthew 7:16-18} followers of fraudulent religious leaders can never meet up with the requirement of end time religion.

True religion in the end time must gather people throughout the earth and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while the rest in falsehood will be fighting and killing themselves {Revelations 6:3-4} ruining the planet with their weapons! Revelations 11:18

Nachmonides:
The difference between "Adonai" and "Adoni" is that:

Adonai: This term is used in the Old Testament, predominantly in reference to God, and it can be translated as "My Lord" or "Lord" in the sense of acknowledging God's sovereign authority. It is a title of divine reverence and is often used when referring to God.

Adoni: This word, on the other hand, is used in the Bible to refer to a human "lord" or "master," as in "my lord" or "my master." It refers to a person with authority or rulership but not in the divine sense that "Adonai" does.


Do you see the difference?
Do you know the implications of this word used in Psalms 110:1 and the implications of Jesus quoting it in Matthew 26:44 and in Mark and Luke?

Guy both means the same thing.

Nachmonides:
I'm not loyal to the KJV, I'm loyal to the original text.
Leave the KJV, the original says Yahweh and Adoni.

So is YHWH and Adoni the same?