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DaddyCoool:
I said EVEN IF there was. Sometimes you just need to ask questions, like what were the lions, hoppos, and crocodiles eating inside an ark for 40 days?!

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah sent Jesus, his role is to support his son by sending other angels to help him anytime he needs such support and encouragement {Matthew 4:11; Luke 22:43} at times Jesus needs to hear his father's direct words of encouragement! John 12:27-28

The Holy Spirit is God's active force that's used in so many ways whatever we are using technology to achieve today God have used His active force to do greater in times past and today, for instance when Christians are about to do what Jesus taught them in situations that's not palatable God uses His active force to supply them with power beyond what is normal {2Corinthians 4:7} it's also this spirit that's used to remind or teach them what to do in tight situations! John 14:26-27; 16:12-13

Jehovah is the Almighty God, Jesus is the human who perfectly reflects all the good qualities we need to know about our heavenly Father and God's Holy Spirit is the Active force God uses to help and support all His worshipers.

Whoever knows this is qualified to get baptized as one of us! Matthew 28:19

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah sent Jesus, his role is to support his son by sending other angels to help him anytime he needs such support and encouragement {Matthew 4:11; Luke 22:43} at times Jesus needs to hear his father's direct words of encouragement! John 12:27-28

The Holy Spirit is God's active force that's used in so many ways whatever we are using technology to achieve today God have used His active force to do greater in times past and today, for instance when Christians are about to do what Jesus taught them in situations that's not palatable God uses His active force to supply them with power beyond what is normal {2Corinthians 4:7} it's also this spirit that's used to remind or teach them what to do in tight situations! John 14:26-27; 16:12-13

Jehovah is the Almighty God, Jesus is the human who perfectly reflects all the good qualities we need to know about our heavenly Father and God's Holy Spirit is the Active force God uses to help and support all His worshipers.

Whoever knows this is qualified to get baptized as one of us! Matthew 28:19

gohf:
why are you mentioning me?

MaxInDHouse:
To alert Nachmonides that you're not of our faith!

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah sent Jesus, his role is to support his son by sending other angels to help him anytime he needs such support and encouragement {Matthew 4:11; Luke 22:43} at times Jesus needs to hear his father's direct words of encouragement! John 12:27-28

The Holy Spirit is God's active force that's used in so many ways whatever we are using technology to achieve today God have used His active force to do greater in times past and today, for instance when Christians are about to do what Jesus taught them in situations that's not palatable God uses His active force to supply them with power beyond what is normal {2Corinthians 4:7} it's also this spirit that's used to remind or teach them what to do in tight situations! John 14:26-27; 16:12-13

Jehovah is the Almighty God, Jesus is the human who perfectly reflects all the good qualities we need to know about our heavenly Father and God's Holy Spirit is the Active force God uses to help and support all His worshipers.

Whoever knows this is qualified to get baptized as one of us! Matthew 28:19

Nachmonides:
Regarding Jehovah’s Witness Doctrine

7. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses say the Trinity is unbiblical when their doctrine of an impersonal Holy Spirit is not clearly taught in Scripture?

The Bible consistently presents the Holy Spirit as a Person, not a force.



8. If God is love (1 John 4:, how can love exist without relationship? Doesn’t the eternal relationship within the Trinity explain this better than a solitary God?

This highlights the relational nature of God within the Trinity.

DaddyCoool:
Don't know who you people are trying to fool. You are BOTH obviously JW.
What I don’t understand about you folks is:
It was prophesied thousands of years in advance that "Everlasting Father, Mighty God" was comming to dwell with us. When he came he himself said he was that God, he accepted worship, forgave sins, etc. Then despite being killed which ought have been the end, he was raised from the dead and ended up being worshipped as exactly that God he and the prophets said he was! And not just for 2 or 3 years but for thousands of years till today and his worship getting stronger everyday.

My question is, what would it take to convince you people that he indeed is God??!!

Nachmonides:
While the diagram is helpful, it is not exhaustive and serves as a tool to aid understanding rather than a complete explanation of the Trinity.

Image123:
Food, what else? Do you assume Noah couldn't afford to get food after a 120 year preparation with God? Or you think he got caught up in Nigeria's inflation challenges? Is it not commonsense enough that the event had the hand of the DIVINE/MIRACULOUS?

Nachmonides:
If you were told all that you knew that you held dear to you was false, how would you react?, knowing it'll affect your life, relationships both with those who taught you the same false ideas and those whom you have taught—Your friends, ideas, parents, loved ones, yourself.



Typical case is the stages of grief




One thing I would have said acting on my sensual nature would be that they (JWs) are good since they believe that Christ died for Sins and Rose the third day (I'm not really sure on this though but most I've engaged with say they do), however I've had to repent of that thought, because half a truth is no truth at all. It's a lie.


God's word is clear.

Image123:
Lol, it's not my work, you asked me to produce Snelling's work that says there was a global flood. Then you somehow gave the excuse that Answersingenesis.org is not a scientific journal. You initially asked for an expert in geology. Snelling is an expert in Geology with a Ph.D and published articles in scientific journals which you claimed to be the usual benchmark for experts. A si,ple google or wikipedia search will show you some of his scientific words.
Are you saying that he is not an expert, or that anything he says outside scientific journals is not expert enough?

Nonetheless, i will give you links to his works published in a scientific journal, although i know your rigmarole.
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Andrew-A-Snelling-2009962514

Nachmonides:
If you were told all that you knew that you held dear to you was false, how would you react?, knowing it'll affect your life, relationships both with those who taught you the same false ideas and those whom you have taught—Your friends, ideas, parents, loved ones, yourself.



Typical case is the stages of grief




One thing I would have said acting on my sensual nature would be that they (JWs) are good since they believe that Christ died for Sins and Rose the third day (I'm not really sure on this though but most I've engaged with say they do), however I've had to repent of that thought, because half a truth is no truth at all. It's a lie.

God's word is clear.

Truthseeker10:
So what is missing in the diagram?

Nachmonides:
It's not so much as a diagram issue itself but that the diagram is too simplified; it tells us what the author of the diagram intended.

Things to consider for a fuller explanation:

Include scriptural references.

Emphasize the eternal nature and relational unity of the Trinity.

Highlight the distinct roles in creation, redemption, and sanctification.


If with arrows one can include scriptures explaining the "is"s and "is not"s, it'll give clarity.

It risks interpretation of modalism or subordinationism into the diagram.

Truthseeker10:
Let's take the point one by one.
Does the diagram contain the point in your bolded statement?

Nachmonides:
No it doesn't emphasize the bolded.

Some errors or misinterpretation can come in;
For example:
It tells us (if I'm to assume because there's no arrow pointing to show us direction for interpretation) that the Father is God and that God is the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the interpretation that the Holy Spirit is the Father because there's no stopper in the interpretation of it.

Truthseeker10:
So can you draw us a diagram that contains the stopper?

Nachmonides:
Yes. I can.
But it's much work as I'll have to put the scriptural references to, so as not to do an incomplete job, so I'll have to decline any requests for it.

I can however come up with a code (in Python programming language) with a much more better explanation of it.

LordReed:
Nope. YOU trudged me through what an expert would look like for me and I gave toyou. Choosing to ignore what I said is on you.

Nachmonides:
Regarding Jehovah’s Witness Doctrine
7. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses say the Trinity is unbiblical when their doctrine of an impersonal Holy Spirit is not clearly taught in Scripture?
The Bible consistently presents the Holy Spirit as a Person, not a force.

Image123:
i never ignored what you said. i gave you an expert in your books. A Ph.D in geology with articles in scientific journals.

LordReed:
You were bellyaching because I said Answersingenesis isn't a scientific journal.

Image123:
You have a Ph.D in geology with articles in scientific journals. i have given you link to his scientific journals. What's your next excuse?

MaxInDHouse:
What indisputable work will Holy Spirit do in the midst of believers?

Those having this surely knows the truth about the Holy Spirit!

Truthseeker10:
Please a simple sketch of a diagram would be appreciated. Not everyone can read a code. Just simply show us How the Father is God and God is the Holy spirit and how Father and holy spirit are not the same person.

DaddyCoool:
Thanks 4 your response.
Maybe you missed the crux of the question. Here it is again:
Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue?

Nachmonides:
You must first of all see if it is true that the Holy Spirit is a person, or an impersonal force before we can ask how he performs the work he will do/ is doing/ does in the midst of believers.
All according to scriptures.
The Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. The Bible doesn't teach the Holy Spirit as impersonal.
The Holy Spirit is clearly a person, the Bible is clear. A person doesn't mean a "physical" entity, just in case it is confusing.

MaxInDHouse:
Well going by our understanding the Holy Spirit is NOT a person but the active force of our God.
Scriptures personalized many things and we understand why it's so but if you are so sure we are wrong it's OK please get to work with Mr or Mrs Holy Spirit and let him or her help you people achieve what God promised you.

Then we will agree with you that you truly know Holy Spirit than we do!

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to waste my time on Hebrew grammatical argument with U because none of us speak ancient Hebrew.

The word ehye is pronounced as YHWH. AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID- I AM.
THE Septuagint Translates 'ehye to ego eimi'.
The original John manuscript wrote I am as ego eimi'.

Janosky:


Please do you mean that the Most High God Yahweh resurrected ,restored a dead Person to the position of being worshipped as God?

According to your Bible, @ Matthew 4:10,did Jesus Christ believe in your claim?

In heaven,@ Revelation 19:10, did Jesus Christ believe in your claim?
Which Person did Jesus instruct you to worship at Revelation 19:10?

The Most High God Yahweh never instructed anyone to worship another Person in heaven or earth.
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MaxInDHouse:
Well going by our understanding the Holy Spirit is NOT a person but the active force of our God.
Scriptures personalized many things and we understand why it's so but if you are so sure we are wrong it's OK please get to work with Mr or Mrs Holy Spirit and let him or her help you people achieve what God promised you.

Then we will agree with you that you truly know Holy Spirit than we do!

Nachmonides:
Something very interesting I must tell you. I am a witness of Jehovah, sharing His message with the world, but I am not affiliated with the Jehovah's Witness denomination. I am a Jehovah Witness and, at the same time, not a Jehovah's Witness.

Nachmonides:
Okay, Sir.