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| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 9:33pm On Jan 15, 2025 |
lexy2014:1. Hunger is not an object of attraction. I used it as an example of something that someone could feel but chose to fast instead of eating. 2. Of course there are people that don't engage in sexual act because they don't feel the urge. But the term for that is not celibate that does not mean that they too can't say that they are celibate. They sure can classify themselves under that category but my point was that the definition for it doesn't capture that. 3. You don't know who is attracted to whom you can be told by them or you can deduce that from their behaviors or motives which may be wrong or right. So in your own opinion if you want to define celibate as you understood it to be for Catholic priesthood how are you going to define it? And which assumptions are you going to make? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 9:47pm On Jan 15, 2025 |
dettolgel:if hunger is not an object of attraction, then how does your analogy fit into the discussion? how do you not yield to sexual urges? if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 10:10pm On Jan 15, 2025 |
lexy2014:I used hunger as example hoping that since you find it very difficult understanding the example I used for the celibacy that at least most people understand the concept of hunger and fasting. Which you could adapt to the concept of sexual desires and abstinence ( in this case celibacy). The relationship between both examples is ”denial ie denying yourself of something that you may want or need" I already explained to you how to yield to sexual urges- by doing it. Is your confusion from the fact I used the word "yield"? This is a very simple concept. Straight men are known to mostly go with straight women unless we are talking of bi here. So in defining celibacy I decided to use an example of a straight man that finds a straight woman attractive. How else do you make an example. NB: I have been answering your questions but you have not managed to answer not even one of my own. So I am going to repeat it here again: So in your own opinion if you want to define celibate as you understood it to be for Catholic priesthood how are you going to define it? And which assumptions are you going to make? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 4:30pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. What assumption are you expecting me to make? What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 5:59pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:If the analogy that bothers on denial ie using hunger isn't sufficient, can you give example of analogy that fits well? You asked what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting, and I said "denial" are you unable to understand the relationship? If you understand that my example is "about yielding to sexual desires" how is it difficult for you to understand the contrast? Doesn't using an example to explain a concept brings more clarity to the subject matter? So while in school/writing when you explain a concept you don't give an example to indicate to your examiner/reader that you understand the concept? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 9:22pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. What assumption are you expecting me to make? What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 9:45pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:I have answered all your questions in previous posts multiple times but it seems we are not getting anywhere. I am going to use a baby step approach one step at a time: What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 9:57pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. What assumption are you expecting me to make? What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 9:59pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:Baby step one step at a time no rush we will get through all your questions. So let start from the top: What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Once we sort it out we move to the next. I am a patient man ![]() |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 10:07pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:exactly. lets start from the top which are the claims you made. you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. What assumption are you expecting me to make? What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 10:15pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:One step at a time: What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? If I may ask what do you do for a living? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 10:18pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:exactly. one step at a time. can you address you claims? you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. What assumption are you expecting me to make? What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 10:27pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:One step at a time and you wrote epistle. Do you really understand what one step at a time means? ![]() What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Once you clear that and we both agree that we are on the same page. Then we will move to the assumptions. You can't move to it without agreeing on the basic. ![]() Trust the process ![]() |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 10:51pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 11:35pm On Jan 16, 2025 |
lexy2014:So I repeat again: 1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? There is no wrong or right answer don't be afraid ![]() |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 8:19am On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel: dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 8:58am On Jan 17, 2025 |
lexy2014:1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 9:54am On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel:do you no longer want "one step at a time"? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 11:35am On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Only when you are able to answer this simple question will you be allowed to continue to the next stage. I want to be sure that you have the prerequisite knowledge to engage. I don't have time to waste ![]() lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 11:53am On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel:are you saying that you dont have the prerequisite knowledge to go "one step at a time" as earlier demanded by you? dont you trust the process which you recommended? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 12:14pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Only when you are able to answer this simple question will you be allowed to continue to the next stage. I want to be sure that you have the prerequisite knowledge to engage. I don't have time to waste. lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 12:20pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel:I thought you said we should trust the process of "one step at a time"? is the process now too difficult for you to follow? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 12:39pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Only when you are able to answer this simple question will you be allowed to continue to the next stage. lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 3:32pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel:is this not the "one step at a time" and process you said should be trusted? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 6:50pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? Only when you are able to answer this simple question will you be allowed to continue to the next stage. lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 7:25pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel:is it now "stage" that you want? I thought it was "process" and one step at a time" you wanted? is this not the "one step at a time" and process you said should be trusted? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 7:43pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 8:18pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel: dettolgel:is it now "stage" that you want? I thought it was "process" and one step at a time" you wanted? is this not the "one step at a time" and process you said should be trusted? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 9:14pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 9:58pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
dettolgel: dettolgel:is it now "stage" that you want? I thought it was "process" and one step at a time" you wanted? is this not the "one step at a time" and process you said should be trusted? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by dettolgel: 10:58pm On Jan 17, 2025 |
1. What is the difference between celibacy and asexuality? lexy2014: |
| Re: Italian Bishops Approve Celibate Gay Men For Priesthood (photo) by lexy2014: 8:23am On Jan 18, 2025 |
dettolgel: dettolgel: dettolgel: dettolgel:is it now "stage" that you want? I thought it was "process" and one step at a time" you wanted? is this not the "one step at a time" and process you said should be trusted? dettolgel:Step1: I hope you can defend the claims you are still making? Steo2: What is the meaning of "one step at a time"? Step3: Can you show me the epistle you are referring to? Step4: Can you address you claims? Step5: you claimed that dettolgel:where did I ask you "what was the relationship between celibacy and the fasting"? Step 6: if the discussion is about sexual attraction (meaning there is an object of attraction), how then is hunger a good analogy since you have agreed that hunger is not an attraction? Step 7: The question I asked is “how do you not yield to sexual urges?” but you are talking about “how to yield to sexual urges”. Step8: if there are people who dont have the urge for sex and live accordingly, how is that not celibacy? Step 9: like I said, you are the one who made the assumption. not me if you are making an assumption, my question is based on the assumption you made. dettolgel:how do you assume a man finds a woman attractive? Not sure if I asked for an example. Step10: What assumption are you expecting me to make? Step11: What is the disagreement about the definition of celibacy that you want me to clarify? |
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Once we sort it out we move to the next. I am a patient man