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lost fraud jw janosky

you have run away yet again, of course:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was CREATED in the beginning and that's

GothamCities:
Lol.
Thanks for shutting them up using their own doctored Bible. They know they have no answers

gohf:
I built the whole table with a hammer, without my hammer I wouldn't have built the table, all my furnitures were built with it.

Aemmyjah:
Your brain needs small polishing walahi 😂

Janosky:
Confused Trinitarian denying Nicene Creed dey yarn GIBBERISH.

sonmvayina

Steep:
Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings.

I think this will be my last post on this thread.

No matter what you quote, no matter how you parse biblical words, no matter who changed or manipulated the Bible, we are left with these two questions:
1) WHAT IS CHRIST IF NOT EXTENTION OF GOD??
If you say he was created and wasn't always with God, why would God create somebody to then help him create the universe - doesn't make sense and doesn't agree with Genesis.

2) WHY WOULD GOD RAISE HIM, KNOWING HE'D BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD??
And have it going on for 2000+ years, prospering those doing it??

Anytime you're tempted to say Christ is NOT God, think of those questions.
Consider also this below.

DaddyCoool:
1) WHAT IS CHRIST IF NOT EXTENTION OF GOD??

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29
The Almighty God is One person who sent many messengers to mankind after man's fall and Jesus is one of his MESSENGERS:
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3
SELF EXPLANATORY!

DaddyCoool:
2) WHY WOULD GOD RAISE HIM, KNOWING HE'D BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD??

God created Satan knowing he will be worshiped by many, God created stone knowing it will be worshiped by many, God created gold knowing it will be worshiped by many, God created tree knowing it will be worshiped by many.
All these creatures were made for man's use yet unreasonable humans worshiped them as God so if God never stopped them from worshiping creatures but chose few ones who grasped what is happening to tell them then as many as are worshiping anything else apart from the only true God are on the broad way! Matthew 7:13-14

DaddyCoool:
I think this will be my last post on this thread.

No matter what you quote, no matter how you parse biblical words, no matter who changed or manipulated the Bible, we are left with these two questions:
1) WHAT IS CHRIST IF NOT EXTENTION OF GOD??
If you say he was created and wasn't always with God, why would God create somebody to then help him create the universe - doesn't make sense and doesn't agree with Genesis.

2) WHY WOULD GOD RAISE HIM, KNOWING HE'D BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD??
And have it going on for 2000+ years, prospering those doing it??

Anytime you're tempted to say Christ is NOT God, think of those questions.
Consider also this below.

It's because
1. God didn't create Jesus to help him
2. God didn't create Jesus to be worshipped as a god

It is better you correct yourself or you remain silent so the devil stops using your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:
“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29
The Almighty God is One person who sent many messengers to mankind after man's fall and Jesus is one of his MESSENGERS:
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3
SELF EXPLANATORY!



God created Satan knowing he will be worshiped by many, God created stone knowing it will be worshiped by many, God created gold knowing it will be worshiped by many, God created tree knowing it will be worshiped by many.
All these creatures were made for man's use yet unreasonable humans worshiped them as God so if God never stopped them from worshiping creatures but chose few ones who grasped what is happening to tell them then as many as are worshiping anything else apart from the only true God are on the broad way! Matthew 7:13-14

1) You really think Christ is just another messenger, another prophet? WOW!!!
At least Muslims who believe so don't read the Bible but you do!
After studying your Bible and taking everything together, you came to that conclusion? WOW!!!
How many of the prophets said "Why do you ask me to show you God? Haven't you seen me? Once you've seen me you've seen God"
"...the only true God, and the PART OF YOU you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

2) which ONE of those things you mentioned was foretold as God comming to stay with us thousands of years in advance, "Everlasting Father" , "Mighty God" , " Immanuel" (God.with us). How many of them confirmed with their own mouths that they were the God being awaited?
How many of them was raised from DEAD to be worshipped interchangeably with God? Raised by God who knew all these things and knew he was already being worshipped.
Only ONE entity in the entire history of the universe has these attributes!

DaddyCoool:
"...the only true God, and the PART OF YOU you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

Please where do you find this o! Revelations 22:18-19

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was CREATED in the beginning and that's

GothamCities:
Lol.
Thanks for shutting them up using their own doctored Bible. They know they have no answers

gohf:
I built the whole table with a hammer, without my hammer I wouldn't have built the table, all my furnitures were built with it.

Aemmyjah:
Your brain needs small polishing walahi 😂

Janosky:
Confused Trinitarian denying Nicene Creed dey yarn GIBBERISH.

sonmvayina

Steep:
Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings.

This will definitely be my last post on this thread. Please don't feel bad if I don't respond to your post after this.

(Continuing)
3) Christ is the ONLY entity in the entire history of the universe who was foretold as God coming to stay with us, when he came said he was the long-awaited God, and thousands of years later is proven right.
a) He was foretold as God comming to stay with us thousands of years in advance - "Everlasting Father" , "Mighty God" , " Immanuel" (God.with us).
b) When he came, he confirmed with his own mouth that he was the God they were awaiting - "Why do you ask me to show you God? Haven't you seen me? Once you've seen me you've seen God"
c) Was raised from the dead to be worshipped as God, (after already being called God and worshipped as God), indicating God's approval of such worship.
a) Has been vindicated by time. 2000+ years later he has turned out to be truly who he and the prophets said he was - "God with us". No such else has ever arisen that even comes close.
Today he's being worshipped as God by a huge chunk of humanity, with powerful testimonies and powerful movements of God's Spirit, all indicative of God's approval of such worship!

DaddyCoool:
"...the only true God, and the PART OF YOU you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

Which version did this?

DaddyCoool:
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This will definitely be my last post on this thread. Please don't feel bad if I don't respond to your post after this.

(Continuing)
3) Christ is the ONLY entity in the entire history of the universe who was foretold as God coming to stay with us, when he came said he was the long-awaited God, and thousands of years later is proven right.
a) He was foretold as God comming to stay with us
!

Did John the Baptist or any Jews said they awaited God coming to stay with them?

Emphatic no!

You always invent your own script & pretend it's in your Bible.

DaddyCoool:
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a) thousands of years in advance - "Everlasting Father" , "Mighty God" , " Immanuel" (God.with us).

When Isaiah wrote chapter 9:6 Jesus was NOT bearing any title.
Your Bible says "he will become Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace etc., referencing a futuristic event that is yet to occur when Isaiah wrote the Bible book.

Every Prince have a King superior to the Prince.
Emmanuel meaning "with us is God.
Elijah meaning "Jehovah is he."

Is Elijah Jehovah God?

Madam, look for other baseless excuse.

DaddyCoool:
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b) When he came, he confirmed with his own mouth that he was the God they were awaiting - "Why do you ask me to show you God? Haven't you seen me? Once you've seen me you've seen God"

You ADDED your own words into John 14:9 .
The Greek word Theos (meaning God) is not in John 14:9 you misquoted.

John 14:24
"The one who doesn’t love me will not keep my words. The word that you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me"
Jesus said you don't keep his words, you prefer to coin your own words and pretend as if it's in your Bible.

DaddyCoool:
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c) Was raised from the dead to be worshipped as God, (after already being called God and worshipped as God), indicating God's approval of such worship.
a) Has been vindicated by time. 2000+ years later he has turned out to be truly who he and the prophets said he was - "God with us". No such else has ever arisen that even comes close.

Matthew 27:46 , was Jesus was crying to himself "my God my God"?

Matthew 4:10, Jesus worship Jehovah the God Almighty that can not die.

DaddyCoool:
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Today he's being worshipped as God by a huge chunk of humanity, with powerful testimonies and powerful movements of God's Spirit, all iindicative of God's approval of such worship !

You are paying lip service to Jesus Christ instructions @ Matthew 4:10.

Madam,Did Jesus instruct you to worship 2 persons?
You are proven disobedient to Matthew 4:10.

Janosky:
You always invent your own script & pretend it's in your Bible.

My brother na wah for the guy o.
Please ask him which version of the Bible he found this?

DaddyCoool:
"...the only true God, and the PART OF YOU you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

MaxInDHouse:
My brother na wah for the guy o.
Please ask him which version of the Bible he found this?

Her Bible nah Oluwole confam product.
Daddy version,Deluxe edition.

jwfacts..com

Mental Illness Amongst Jehovah's Witnesses - continue

John Spencer
The Mental Health of Jehovah's Witnesses by John Spencer is widely quoted though the findings are dubious. This found that in the 3 year period from 1971 to and including 1973, 7,546 inpatients were admitted to the West Australian Mental Health Service Psychiatric Hospitals, of which 50 were active Witnesses. This represents a rate of 2.54/1000 for the general population and 4.17/1000 for Jehovah's Witnesses. Particularly high was the rate of Schizophrenics amongst Witnesses.

Jerry Bergman
The following excerpts are summarized quotes from PARADISE POSTPONED...AND POSTPONED: Why Jehovah's Witnesses Have a High Mental Illness Level. Jerry Bergman has researched and written extensively about Jehovah's Witnesses. As a former Witness his findings may be considered biased, however the reasoning he provides merits consideration.

Rylander's Study
In 1946, Gosta Rylander investigated a sample of conscientious objectors imprisoned in Sweden. About four percent of the eligible Swedish population was judged psychologically "unfit" for military service, and the corresponding figure for Witnesses was 21 percent, or five times greater. This is close to the same ratio later found by John Spencer, whose diagnosis of "psychotic" or "neurotic" was made on the basis of mental hospital admission screening.

The First American Study
In 1949, in the first study on American Witness mental health, M. J. Pescor diagnosed as psychotic over seven percent of his total sample of 177 young males imprisoned due to obeying the Watchtower's prohibition against complying with military regulations. The level of Witness psychosis in his sample was about 17 times higher than that for the population as a whole.

Montague and Other Researchers
Havor Montague (another name Jerry Bergman publishes under) monitored the admissions to state and private mental hospitals and local mental health clinics in Ohio from 1972 to 1976. From this study of 102 cases, he estimated, "The mental illness rate of JWs is approximately 10 to 16 times higher than the rate for the general, nonWitness population... From his intensive interviews with Witness patients and others, Montague concluded that persons who had emotional problems were attracted to the Witnesses, but involvement also caused many of the emotional problems that they suffered. This is evident from the fact that many with problems reported they were far happier after they left.

DaddyCoool:
This will definitely be my last post on this thread. Please don't feel bad if I don't respond to your post after this.

(Continuing)
3) Christ is the ONLY entity in the entire history of the universe who was foretold as God coming to stay with us, when he came said he was the long-awaited God, and thousands of years later is proven right.
a) He was foretold as God comming to stay with us thousands of years in advance - "Everlasting Father" , "Mighty God" , " Immanuel" (God.with us).
b) When he came, he confirmed with his own mouth that he was the God they were awaiting - "Why do you ask me to show you God? Haven't you seen me? Once you've seen me you've seen God"
c) Was raised from the dead to be worshipped as God, (after already being called God and worshipped as God), indicating God's approval of such worship.
a) Has been vindicated by time. 2000+ years later he has turned out to be truly who he and the prophets said he was - "God with us". No such else has ever arisen that even comes close.
Today he's being worshipped as God by a huge chunk of humanity, with powerful testimonies and powerful movements of God's Spirit, all indicative of God's approval of such worship!

Succinctly said.

Janosky:

Nah so this kid dunce?
Have you edited John 14:28 in your Bible?
You are embarrassing yourself defending your delusion.

Ask your friends to show you how many persons you mentioned in your post.

👉👉GothamCities:
"He (Jesus) is the Aloha and Omega, just as Jehovah Himself.
He is the Beginning and the Ending, just as Jehovah Himself. He (Jehovah) is the Everlasting Father just as Jesus Himself"

It's actually useless discussing the scriptures with you. Have a nice day!

Janosky:
There's no length Gotham won't go to twist the holy scriptures in imitation of his Trinitarian mentors.
They don't want first born to mean first born.



Have you removed Hebrew 1:5-6 from your Bible that Jesus is the first born of God his Father?

Have you removed 1 Corinthians 11:3 & 1 Timothy 2:13 from your Bible that Eve is the last born of God?

Have you removed God's hierarchical structure from your Bible at 1 Corinthians 11:3?

Jesus Christ is a creature.
You can not change the holy scriptures

No matter what you say, it doesn't stop Jesus from being from everlasting.

gohf:
so according to you God did not lay the foundations of the world?!!
Job.38.4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Isa.51.13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Ps.104.5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

What do you understand by the word "I am the Begining and the End"?. It means I am the Foundation and Finishing.

gohf:
Jesus is not God.

According to you, and not according to the Scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaah, there no firstborn that's not part of those been born!

He's the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

MaxInDHouse:
Can Christians be soldiers?

Give me scriptures that say Christians can't.

GothamCities:
He's the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God.

Adam supposed to live forever as the father of all mankind but lost his life and passed sin and death to all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus came to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} and bought us with his blood making us his own children so that all those that believe him as their foster father by faith and live by his teachings as a child learns from his father {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} are no longer Adam's descendants but have become children of an obedient father who will last forever unlike Adam our former but dead father. John 1:11-12
He is also one of the mighty Gods {Psalms 82:1, 6} like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but not the Almighty! Psalms 83:18

GothamCities:
Give me scriptures that say Christians can't.

Jesus condemned the use of physical weapons among his disciples! Matthew 26:52
Jesus told his disciples never to retaliate when they are wronged! Matthew 5:38-39
Jesus told his disciples to be cautious like serpents and HARMLESS like doves! Mathew 10:16

Can a soldier be harmless?
Emphatically not!

GothamCities:
According to you, and not according to the Scriptures.

please enlighten us where did Moses and the prophets tell us that Jesus is their God?

GothamCities:
What do you understand by the word "I am the Begining and the End"?. It means I am the Foundation and Finishing.

so according to you God did not lay the foundations of the world?!!
Job.38.4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Isa.51.13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Ps.104.5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

gohf:
so according to you God did not lay the foundations of the world?!!
Job.38.4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Isa.51.13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Ps.104.5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

God Himself is the Foundation.

gohf:
please enlighten us where did Moses and the prophets tell us that Jesus is their God?

Moses didn't know Jesus. He was an old testament saint.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus condemned the use of physical weapons among his disciples! Matthew 26:52
Jesus told his disciples never to retaliate when they are wronged! Matthew 5:38-39
Jesus told his disciples to be cautious like serpents and HARMLESS like doves! Mathew 10:16

Can a soldier be harmless?
Emphatically not!

And that's kept by all christians.

You're yet to provide scriptures that say that Christians cannot be soldiers.

MaxInDHouse:
Adam supposed to live forever as the father of all mankind but lost his life and passed sin and death to all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus came to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} and bought us with his blood making us his own children so that all those that believe him as their foster father by faith and live by his teachings as a child learns from his father {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} are no longer Adam's descendants but have become children of an obedient father who will last forever unlike Adam our former but dead father. John 1:11-12
He is also one of the mighty Gods {Psalms 82:1, 6} like Moses {Exodus 7:1} but not the Almighty! Psalms 83:18

There's only one Mighty God

If Adam is one of the mighty God's according to you, why do you deny Jesus's Godship? What makes Adam one one of the mighty God's? Are you s pagan? Jesus is not one of the mighty gods. Jesus is the Might God.

GothamCities:
And that's kept by all christians.
You're yet to provide scriptures that say that Christians cannot be soldiers.

You don't know what being a Christian means.
If anyone deliberately disobey any order from Jesus he or she is no longer on the road to everlasting life:

"You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you" John 15:14

Disobedience to the order coming from the mouth of God's only begotten son makes a person WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:23

GothamCities:
There's only one Mighty God

There are many mighty Gods!
Psalms 82:1 compare to 1Corinthians 8:5

But only one God is ALMIGHTY! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

GothamCities:
If Adam is one of the mighty God's according to you, why do you deny Jesus's Godship? What makes Adam one one of the mighty God's? Are you s pagan? Jesus is not one of the mighty gods. Jesus is the Might God.

Where did i count Adam as one of the mighty Gods?
The rebellious angels that turned to demons and are worshiped by humans are mighty spirit beings including human kings who sits as Gods in their respective positions are all mighty Gods that's why the Almighty said they will all perish because they never gave Him the glory but ascribed glory to themselves! Psalms 82:6 compare to Act 12:21-23
Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods too but they both gave the Almighty all the glory!

MaxInDHouse:
There are many mighty Gods!
Psalms 82:1 compare to 1Corinthians 8:5

But only one God is ALMIGHTY! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18


Where did i count Adam as one of the mighty Gods?
The rebellious angels that turned to demons and are worshiped by humans are mighty spirit beings including human kings who sits as Gods in their respective positions are all mighty Gods that's why the Almighty said they will all perish because they never gave Him the glory but ascribed glory to themselves! Psalms 82:6 compare to Act 12:21-23
Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods too but they both gave the Almighty all the glory!

There's nothing in those scriptures that supposes that there are any mighty gods. There are the mighty, which ordinarily are people. There are the gods,not mighty gods. The Bible does not recognize any other mighty God apart from The Mighty God. The definitive 'The' even shows that there's only one Mighty God recognized by scriptures. You guys are full of demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods, yet you keep disputing the Godship of Jesus. Aren't you confused? Jesus is not A Might God, He is The Mighty God. The only Mighty God. Moses was never a god. God made him a god unto pharaoh, not for pharaoh ho worship him but for pharaoh to be at his command. Did pharaoh or anyone ever worship Moses? You must have been bewitched to even say Moses was a might God. Haha!

GothamCities:
There's nothing in those scriptures that supposes that there are any mighty gods. There are the mighty, which ordinarily are people. There are the gods,not mighty gods. The Bible does not recognize any other mighty God apart from The Mighty God. The definitive 'The' even shows that there's only one Mighty God recognized by scriptures. You guys are full of demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods, yet you keep disputing the Godship of Jesus. Aren't you confused? Jesus is not A Might God, He is The Mighty God. The only Mighty God. Moses was never a god. God made him a god unto pharaoh, not for pharaoh ho worship him but for pharaoh to be at his command. Did pharaoh or anyone ever worship Moses? You must have been bewitched to even say Moses was a might God. Haha!

Moses was a God just as Jesus was a God nobody worshiped the two of them because they both refer people to the God they worshiped.
Some translations rendered Obeisance as worship so i can't blame you the error came from translators who infused their philosophy into their translations.

MaxInDHouse:
Moses was a God just as Jesus was a God nobody worshiped the two of them because they both refer people to the God they worshiped.
Some translations rendered Obeisance as worship so i can't blame you the error came from translators who infused their philosophy into their translations.

"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God 's angels worship him." Hebrew 1:6.

All creations worshiped God and the Lamb in the book of Revelation. Can you provide any similar verse for Moses?