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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:13pm On Sep 04, 2023
Steep:
John 1 vv 1
Can you quote it here?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Dtruthspeaker: 5:17pm On Sep 04, 2023
Janosky:
MUMU LYING DSPEAKER,who is your "future Zechariah!"

Prophet Zechariah ,writer of the book of Zechariah is NOT your "future Zechariah!"

MUMU LIAR grin
See all the howling and cursing and pretence of lack of understanding because stupid jw has been caught in his lie showing that Arc Michael cannot be copying zechariah from Moses time and death where he was fighting for Moses body because Zechariah has not yet been born.

So it is inpossible for Arch Mich to copy Zechariah as lying jw lienosky said!
grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:20pm On Jan 29, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
See all the howling and cursing and pretence of lack of understanding because stupid jw has been caught in his lie showing that Arc Michael cannot be copying zechariah from Moses time and death where he was fighting for Moses body because Zechariah has not yet been born.

So it is inpossible for Arch Mich to copy Zechariah as lying jw lienosky said!
grin

Go and argue with your fellow Trinitarian devotees in the screenshots evidences..

They knew that Jesus is archangel Michael.
The Geneva Bible 1599 Bible is older than your 1611 KJV deceiving you.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:49pm On Jan 29, 2025
Steep:
If Jesus has always being a servant why then does he need to humble himself and take the form of a servant?
Philippians 2

See Hebrew 12:7-9 & Psalms 8:5. Luke 24:26.

(Jehovah) You made him (Jesus ) a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honour, and did set him over the works of thy hands"

God brought His servant from a glorious exalted heavenly realm to the lower earthly realm where Jesus would experience every sort of maltreatment and eventual death in the hands of men, did the tasks given to Jesus require humility?

Psalms 103:20 & John 3:16,Acts 3:13, Jesus Christ is a servant.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14am On Jan 30, 2025
Michael will lead God's people to salvation! Daniel 12:1
Jesus is the spirit we must follow to gain salvation! 1Peter 2:21
Michael is the spirit leading the heavenly armies of God's faithful loyal angels! Revelations 12:7
Jesus is the spirit leading the heavenly armies to battle! Revelations 19:11-14
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MightySparrow: 4:19pm On Jan 30, 2025
cornelboy:
No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly says Jesus is not angel Michael.
Indeed there are clues in the Bible that show that archangel Michael could be the one sent as Jesus Christ by God.
So, the doctrine is born out of prejudiced guesses?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 5:36pm On Jan 30, 2025
cornelboy:
No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly says Jesus is not angel Michael.
Indeed there are clues in the Bible that show that archangel Michael could be the one sent as Jesus Christ by God.
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:41pm On Jan 30, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!
Cornelboy is in school and not so much regular on Nairaland but i will give him a call to discuss with you! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 5:46pm On Jan 30, 2025
Janosky:
Continue WAILING & LYINGgrin grin

1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28 imprint it into your brain.
The voice of Archangel Michael the person of Jesus Christ raises the dead.
This is illogical as you are conflating two different things.

The passage is written as "voice of an Archangel" not voice of Archangel Michael.

Secondly "with" soils your ideology; you can as well replace voice of Archangel with another phrase e.g. a pen - he descended with a pen🤔.

And it(the clause) will make sense.
It also shows an association of that particular thing with Jesus not necessarily a direct identity of Jesus.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 5:47pm On Jan 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Cornelboy is in school and not so much regular on Nairaland but i will give him a call to discuss with you! smiley
Michael the conqueror, it's nice to hear from you.

Happy belated New Year.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m):
Gabrielshow24:
Michael the conqueror, it's nice to hear from you.
Happy belated New Year.
Michael is the same as Jesus to me but i will call Cornelboy to discuss with you!
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by sonmvayina(m): 6:46pm On Jan 30, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
So are you not saying 2 People are there?
1) Big Papa God and

2) He Pikin God wey Papa God dey Send "make light, make toy house, decorate the house eel well, make toys and put them inside the house make dem live for the house (and now our toy story don start be dat.)
What is the process by which God becomes one of the toys??
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by sonmvayina(m): 7:57pm On Jan 30, 2025
Thanks God I left Christianity..
So full of controversies and paradox.

Lies upon lies....


I am really really grateful to my creator for saving me from its destructive doctrines and dogmas.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 8:13pm On Jan 30, 2025
Janosky:

See Hebrew 12:7-9 & Psalms 8:5. Luke 24:26.

(Jehovah) You made him (Jesus ) a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honour, and did set him over the works of thy hands"

God brought His servant from a glorious exalted heavenly realm to the lower earthly realm where Jesus would experience every sort of maltreatment and eventual death in the hands of men, did the tasks given to Jesus require humility?

Psalms 103:20 & John 3:16,Acts 3:13, Jesus Christ is a servant.
Read carefully Jesus was not originally in the form of a servant but in the form of God, he is not a mere exalted servant but he is originally in same form with the father but take a servant form.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:25pm On Jan 30, 2025
Steep:
Read carefully Jesus was not originally in the form of a servant but in the form of God, he is not a mere exalted servant but he is originally in same form with the father but take a servant form.
This means taking the form of lower beings (humans) as he is one of higher beings (angels)
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Steep(m): 8:29pm On Jan 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This means taking the form of lower beings (humans) as he is one of higher beings (angels)
If Jesus was an angel how come Hebrews said that Jesus is great than angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:40pm On Jan 30, 2025
Steep:
If Jesus was an angel how come Hebrews said that Jesus is great than angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
He obtained this position that's higher than his brothers in the spirit realms after his successful earthly mission {John 19:30} that's why all powers was GIVEN him in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} no angel has reached such a lofty position before then so all creatures must do Obeisance to him! Philippians 2:5-11
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 10:55pm On Jan 30, 2025
Steep:
Read carefully Jesus was not originally in the form of a servant but in the form of God, he is not a mere exalted servant but he is originally in same form with the father but take a servant form.
Jesus said " I am ascending to my God and your God".
John 20:17


John 20:17 & Psalms 103:20, Oga which realm did Jesus receive his Father's instruction to fulfill John 3:16?

In what realm did Jesus receive & Obey Jehovah's instructions @ Psalms 110:1 (Aramaic Bible/ASV)?

In heaven,Jesus Christ is a servant of his God & Father.
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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:03pm On Jan 30, 2025
Steep:
If Jesus was an angel how come Hebrews said that Jesus is great than angels?

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent nam

Hebrew 1:4,9
"The God your God anointed you ( Jesus) above your peers"
As he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than the angels (your peers)"

After Jesus concluded his earthly life & ascended to heaven.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:21pm On Jan 30, 2025
MightySparrow:
So, the doctrine is born out of prejudiced guesses?
"
Prejudiced guesses in your fellow Trinitarian 1599 Geneva Bible.

Prejudiced guesses by your fellow Trinitarian pastors Charles Spurgeon and reformer, Martin Luther to name a few?

Your ghost deity. guiding them found you unworthy of such high level Intel.
Your gods of men no reach the level to know.
grin grin grin grin


Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 10:34am On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This means taking the form of lower beings (humans) as he is one of higher beings (angels)
So technically to you angels are in the form of God🤔.

Think wisely before you reply
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 10:37am On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
He obtained this position that's higher than his brothers in the spirit realms after his successful earthly mission {John 19:30} that's why all powers was GIVEN him in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} no angel has reached such a lofty position before then so all creatures must do Obeisance to him! Philippians 2:5-11
😂😂😂😂😂
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 10:40am On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:

Hebrew 1:4,9
"The God your God anointed you ( Jesus) above your peers"
As he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than the angels (your peers)"

After Jesus concluded his earthly life & ascended to heaven.
🤔🤔🤔The way you interpret scriptures dey muzz me👀.

Your lack of context is disheartening.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:16pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
🤔🤔🤔The way you interpret scriptures dey muzz me👀.

Your lack of context is disheartening.
Your MUMU is disheartening.

What you label "lack of context" is in your own Bible you hide in your shelf.

Hebrews chapter 1 from verses 4 to 14, the subject matter is Jesus Christ anointing and inheritance (superiority) above his peers (the angels).

God's anointing of king David made David superior above his peers/brothers.
God giving David inheritance of the throne of Israel from Saul made David superior above his subjects.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:18pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
So technically to you angels are in the form of God🤔.
Think wisely before you reply
If they are not why are humans worshiping Satan and demons who are fallen angels? smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 3:27pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
So technically to you angels are in the form of God🤔.

Think wisely before you reply
Is everyone resident in your apartment in human form?
God is a spirit, (John 4:24) resident in heaven.
Everyone God sees in heaven is in the form of God, the form of spirits.


Please allow your brain to function nau.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:31pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Is everyone resident in your apartment in human form?
God is a spirit, (John 4:24) resident in heaven.
Everyone God sees in heaven is in the form of God, the form of spirits.
Please allow your brain to function nau.
I wonder o!

God lives in heaven with angels yet this man is asking if God's spirit sons have the form of their father who is also a spirit! huh
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 6:28pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Is everyone resident in your apartment in human form?
God is a spirit, (John 4:24) resident in heaven.
Everyone God sees in heaven is in the form of God, the form of spirits.


Please allow your brain to function nau.
Maybe I didn't properly clarify the context of "form" and you are mistaken.

That's not the form I allude to.
It's evident even in scriptures that angels are spirits and likewise God himself.

But the substance or nature of God is what I asked of.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 6:29pm On Feb 01, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I wonder o!

God lives in heaven with angels yet this man is asking if God's spirit sons have the form of their father who is also a spirit! huh
You did this same thing with mich547 and you know how that ended for you. 👀
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 6:32pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Your MUMU is disheartening.

What you label "lack of context" is in your own Bible you hide in your shelf.

Hebrews chapter 1 from verses 4 to 14, the subject matter is Jesus Christ anointing and inheritance (superiority) above his peers (the angels).

God's anointing of king David made David superior above his peers/brothers.
God giving David inheritance of the throne of Israel from Saul made David superior above his subjects.

I have no issue with the biblical verse but rather with your tangential interpretation made to fit your narrative.

You have in now way justified that indeed "peer" fits the angelic bill.

It could as well be said of Israel or even mankind as a whole; it could as well be metaphorical.

But as usual you jumped right in by making an "absolute statement".
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 6:33pm On Feb 01, 2025
That's why I like JW'S.
Always making absolute statements.

I wonder how this will end.
You are beginning to give Michael the conqueror vibes!!! 😂😂😂
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:42pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
You did this same thing with mich547 and you know how that ended for you. 👀
If someone left you does that mean you have convinced him?
Angels are spirit sons of God and God is a Spirit so they are more related to Him than any other creature!
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