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Zahra29:
European men of a certain age who are profiled when visiting certain South Asian islands because of the likes of Gary Glitter = racism

White British football fans who are profiled or even banned when visiting an European city due to previous occurrences of football hooliganism by other white British football fans = racism

Eastern Europeans who are subjected to greater scrutiny because of offending benefit fraudsters from Poland and Bulgaria = racism

All the above, and many more, are regular occurrences. You're right, it's all racism. Unfortunately, the above is also a fact of life. And most profiling is covert in any case. Most people don't even know that they are being scrutinised unless they are stopped, and the majority will not be stopped.

To the bolded, nobody said they shouldn't speak out and protest. If innocent, you have every right.

Correct. Unfortunately, this is real life.

Goodenoch, is this discrimination against the Ghanians?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFC3Il8scMf/?igsh=ZG9sMm9wODhwNDEx

No disrespect to anybody, but I just want to understand your argument.

When data shows that there is a particular set/group of people are disproportionately committing a particular offence, to curb it, isn't it prudent to put that particular set under greater scrutiny to reduce the problem?

Grfront:
Hello everyone. I have few questions to ask.

1. I’m in my late 20s, what are the chances of getting admission for a BSC degree program? I don’t have any degree certificate.

2. I want to study Computer Science, what are the chances of getting admission when I don’t have computer science in my Weac?

3. Which university/city do you think is affordable,
including living expenses?

4.I’m a web developer, technical writer and a video editor,can that sustain me over there, or is there any other job you’ll advise i learn so I can fund my 2nd year tuition?

5. Is getting a car important for day to day activities?

I will gladly appreciate any kind response

1. Age doesn't matter as long as you meet the entry requirements. You're not expected to have a degree certificate prior to your BSc (unlike an MSc) so it's fine.

2. For entry onto a UK BSc programme, you usually have to have GCSEs and A levels (or their equivalent) in certain subjects, some of which would be mandatory such as Maths for computer science. I think WAEC is accepted as equivalent to GCSE but for A levels, you might be asked to attend a conversion course such as a foundation year. (That used to be a common requirement but it may have changed in recent times so it's best to check directly with the universities what their requirements are).

3. Cities up north are typically much cheaper to live in than the south/south east (with some exceptions such as Edinburgh and parts of Manchester).

Check the league table - universities with lower rankings usually have lower fees than their higher ranked counterparts or those in the Russell Group. But also look at their performance in Computer Science to make sure that it's at least adequate.

Look out also for universities that offer relatively generous discounts and/or scholarships.

4. Realistically, there is no job you can legally do that will self fund your second year tuition fees + living expenses. You're not allowed to be self employed as a student and you can only work temporary hours which might not be consistent or easily available.

To avoid putting enormous pressure on yourself, best to have your tuition fees covered and then it might be possible to work on the side to fund your living expenses.

5. It depends on the city and its transport network, but even then I would opine that a car is a completely unnecessary expense as a student. Most undergraduate students do not drive around at uni due to the cost, plus most campuses are usually set up to allow easy navigation around various departments and halls of residence.

Viruses:
Expatriate is different from migrant, they are not even synonymic so it's pointless trying to blur one into the other. They are as different as temporary and permanent

I'm yet to see a consistent difference between the two. Length of residence does not qualify in any definitive manner. Many 'expats' relocate longterm (some to retire) and many 'migrants' move temporarily.


This is a clear example of how the synonymous words can be used to drive different narratives - something the british media is very good at. Lastly, also realise that this has been discussed extensively in many ways going back decades. Its nothing new- reason why I was surprised when I saw the first hole being dug.

Zahra29:
...

I'm all of the following: anchor baby, Windrush descendant, expatriate farm worker, international student, Nigerian immigrant, Yardie...
- pick whichever you fancy.

Stop dillydallying
You don't sound very proud of your Caribbean heritage. For me (and most of us), our stories are quite inscribed on our posts here through the years- it's our journey afterall.
Again I'm keeping it simple- how did you/family stumble upon a British passport?


P.s. if you are asking whether I consider myself migrant or expat. From previous responses, the answer should be obvious. I consider both words synonymous hence I'm both as most here are.

Grfront:
Hello everyone. I have few questions to ask.

Have you looked at the school fee for international undergrad programmes in the UK?
Except you have deep pockets or are awarded a scholarship, its an uphill task. Also following that pathway to migrate is full of uncertainties as it's difficult to say what the economic/political situation wiuld be in 5yrs.

It's my understanding that many parts of IT are skill-based though you need a degree to help with certain things incl migration.

Have you considered enrolling for a computer/IT- based degree locally? During your programme, you could upskill + do jobs on the side. By the time you're done, you should be past 30 with good experience under your belt and exempt from NYSC. You may decide to remain in 9ja and benefit from opportunities or look at a masters route to migrate which is more predictable in an ever-changing world. Your might even get a remote or international offer right from 9ja if you have the relevant experience.

deept:
Correct. Unfortunately, this is real life.

Goodenoch, is this discrimination against the Ghanians?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFC3Il8scMf/?igsh=ZG9sMm9wODhwNDEx

No disrespect to anybody, but I just want to understand your argument.

When data shows that there is a particular set/group of people are disproportionately committing a particular offence, to curb it, isn't it prudent to put that particular set under greater scrutiny to reduce the problem?

I don't get. Are you really arguing in favour of profiling? That some parts of a system are still that way is well different from speaking in its favour.

Not to long ago it was revealed the home office it was revealed the home office had same approach and many African nationals were on the reveiving end of vague requirements inappropriate visa refusals. Unsurprisingly, they were quick to abandon this following the expose. It wasn't difficult to see how this self-reinforcing system became increasingly unfair.

With profiling first you have the issue of reinforcing a negative spiral with resultant far-reaching effects. Secondly, it creates a gaping blindspot which is almost always taken advantage of.

Recently, whether its black lives or end-SARS riots or police brutality, or going father back and you have senseless killings, apartheid e.t.c. Many recent genocides always started on that narrative until they blew out of proportion. As a black person, we have enough experience of certain things to know what to oppose.

jedisco:
I don't get. Are you really arguing in favour of profiling? That some parts of a system are still that way is well different from speaking in its favour.

Not to long ago it was revealed the home office it was revealed the home office had same approach and many African nationals were on the reveiving end of vague requirements inappropriate visa refusals. Unsurprisingly, they were quick to abandon this following the expose. It wasn't difficult to see how this self-reinforcing system became increasingly unfair.

With profiling first you have the issue of reinforcing a negative spiral with resultant far-reaching effects. Secondly, it creates a gaping blindspot which is almost always taken advantage of.

Recently, whether its black lives or end-SARS riots or police brutality, or going father back and you have senseless killings, apartheid e.t.c. Many recent genocides always started on that narrative until they blew out of proportion. As a black person, we have enough experience of certain things to know what to oppose.

Profiling in reality is what happens. Instead of getting angry at the 'profilers', as a black man, I would rather educate and encourage our set to do better because it is the same brush that we will all be painted with. If you don't give anybody any weapon to to use against you, there would be nothing to profile against

deept:
Profiling in reality is what happens. Instead of getting angry at the 'profilers', as a black man, I would rather educate and encourage our set to do better because it is the same brush that we will all be painted with. If you don't give anybody any weapon to to use against you, there would be nothing to profile against

That it happens in certain areas (and is actively fought against) is not an excuse to perpetuate that or speak in its favour. Afterall, same could have been said if homophobia, apartheid e.t.c
I remember speaking quite strongly about the recurrent theme of posting any crime commited by a Nigerian here under the guise of 'warning us' to do better. Thankfully, it died down. We dont need it. There are over 200million Nigerians and over 1billion black folks. The activity of a random black person somewhere does not weigh on my psyche is thesame way I do not except every white person to be remourseful or 'warning themselves' beacause of crime commited by random whites.

Lastly, this appears isolated. Is there any evidence to show that this crime is a systemic issue and if so, is there an overrepresentation of Nigerians? If the answer to both is yes, my concern would first be how to guard against profiling and then how to address underlying drivers in a decent manner.

jedisco:
That it happens in certain areas (and is actively fought against) is not an excuse to perpetuate that or speak in its favour. Afterall, same could have been said if homophobia, apartheid e.t.c
I remember speaking quite strongly about the recurrent theme of posting any crime commited by a Nigerian here under the guise of 'warning us' to do better. Thankfully, it died down. We dont need it. There are over 200million Nigerians and over 1billion black folks. The activity of a random black person somewhere does not weigh on my psyche is thesame way I do not except every white person to be remourseful or 'warning themselves' beacause of crime commited by random whites.

Lastly, this appears isolated. Is there any evidence to show that this crime is a systemic issue and if so, is there an overrepresentation of Nigerians? If the answer to both is yes, my concern would first be how to guard against profiling and then how to address underlying drivers in a decent manner.

We all have some bias and I believe it is inherent in everyone of us as humans based on environment,information or experiences. I was profiled recently. I was on a project in another country with people from different nationalities, we went to the football field at the end of the day to relax. It was time to pick teams and I was one of the first to be selected, why because I am a Nigerian, tall and look atlethisc. most of the guys there grew up watching kanu, okocha and the rest. In my circle,I am always the last to be picked or never even picked because I cannot play football to save my life. However, I represented as a naija guy, I did not let the country down they even asked me to come back the next day. There are 200 million Nigerians but they had a positive perception of Nigerians being good footballers based on their experience/knowledge of a dozen Nigerians that did represented well in the area of football.

In my line of work, if a particular tool/part fails, the whole batch is quarantined and each tool from that batch is investigated to prevent failure. Even the bible says a little yeast ruins the whole batch. I am for judging people based on their merits, but we are from the same batch. It's Not a good place to start from but I believe by your actions in your environment, you have probably changed people's mind about how they perceive us.

jedisco:
I'm yet to see a consistent difference between the two. Length of residence does not qualify in any definitive manner. Many 'expats' relocate longterm (some to retire) and many 'migrants' move temporarily.


This is a clear example of how the synonymous words can be used to drive different narratives - something the british media is very good at. Lastly, also realise that this has been discussed extensively in many ways going back decades. Its nothing new- reason why I was surprised when I saw the first hole being dug.

I believe if you travel to a new country to settle down permanently, you are an immigrant. Whether you eventually settle down or move about for various reasons is a different issue.

Except you're inferring that those on tier 2 for instance are expatriates and will only become immigrants after ILR.

Interesting to see people here strenuously defending racial profiling. Young black men like Trayvon Martin (shot because he had on a hoodie, cf. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/13/david-lammy-on-why-theres-nothing-scary-about-a-black-man-in-a-hoodie), Ahmaud Arbery (shot while jogging in a white area), etc. will doubtless sleep easier in their early graves if they could see some of the misguided utterances on here.

As will the average black youth stopped for a search in London, or somewhere in the Midlands, ostensibly because other people of the same skin colour have carried a bladed implement.

Incidentally, we celebrated a couple of days ago what would have been the 80th birthday of the world's most famous Yardie, Bob Marley, and one of his best known injunctions comes to mind here: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. "None but ourselves can free our minds."

jedisco:
I don't get. Are you really arguing in favour of profiling? That some parts of a system are still that way is well different from speaking in its favour.

Not to long ago it was revealed the home office it was revealed the home office had same approach and many African nationals were on the reveiving end of vague requirements inappropriate visa refusals. Unsurprisingly, they were quick to abandon this following the expose. It wasn't difficult to see how this self-reinforcing system became increasingly unfair.

With profiling first you have the issue of reinforcing a negative spiral with resultant far-reaching effects. Secondly, it creates a gaping blindspot which is almost always taken advantage of.

Recently, whether its black lives or end-SARS riots or police brutality, or going father back and you have senseless killings, apartheid e.t.c. Many recent genocides always started on that narrative until they blew out of proportion. As a black person, we have enough experience of certain things to know what to oppose.

I;m with deept on this though i totally understand your argument against profiling and the danger of it but if a certain group of people are into certain crime and every time you turn on the news is always about young black boys/men and women stabbing each other..you don't expect the police to start stopping young white men for stop-and-search .

Sadly profiling/stop and search is a necessary evil because (i'm sorry to say this) black community is not doing enough to clean up our negative image, we are too focused on carrying race card and blaming the society than dealing with the core issue here

If the news is about romance scam before the name of the perpetrator is mentioned you can bet your last £ that it will be a Nigerian.

If you hear about 'Crash for cash' is most likely to be an Asian or Romanian involved, you will be shocked to hear a Nigerian name mentioned.

If this is about call centre scam then Indian will be number one and two on the list.

The black community will be quick to print t-shirts when one young man/woman is stabbed to death than putting in more work to stop the next stabbing incident .

I'm sick to my back teeth about this as we blacks constantly focused on the race rather dealing with our demon.

Yes yes and yes profiling can be abused by the police and the authority no doubt, i accept that part but we need to deal with the enemy within

deept:
Profiling in reality is what happens. Instead of getting angry at the 'profilers', as a black man, I would rather educate and encourage our set to do better because it is the same brush that we will all be painted with. If you don't give anybody any weapon to to use against you, there would be nothing to profile against

How does this change anything? Can we begin to go to every black family home to help bring up their children? Human behaviour can never be controlled and that's why we have laws in every society as deterrents no matter which race is involved as the law and justice are assumed to be blind. It's like asking white nationalists to do better so we don't see every white person out there as racist. All these excuses we give as a justification for modern-day stupidity will only help those who will continue to paint all immigrants as criminals and use that as a basis for unlawful and unfair policies against humanity.

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Lexusgs430:
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NIUK group don scatter, mass resignations everywhere...... 😂😎🤣

There is no money to share here, that's why na where money dey things dey scatter

jedisco:
Stop dillydallying
You don't sound very proud of your Caribbean heritage. For me (and most of us), our stories are quite inscribed on our posts here through the years- it's our journey afterall.
Again I'm keeping it simple- how did you/family stumble upon a British passport?

P.s. if you are asking whether I consider myself migrant or expat. From previous responses, the answer should be obvious. I consider both words synonymous hence I'm both as most here are.

Finally, many many posts and ramblings later, a semblance of an answer, albeit a confused one. At least you tried - well done.

You don't sound very proud of your Caribbean heritage

- Ha ha 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the laugh. Which Udemy Psychology course are you putting into practice here? Is it supposed to work on over 15 year olds cos yeh...😬

- I've actually spoken a few times about my heritage and bits of my life growing up. If you're that interested, you can use the NL search function.

Again I'm keeping it simple- how did you/family stumble upon a British passport?

- Make it complicated if you like - use cap locks and red font even
You can't bully me into responding to YOUR ill-intended and negative questioning.

- I will however help enlighten you a little as it's obvious you don't mix outside your circle much.
Not everyone "stumbled" on a British passport (whatever that means). There are thousands of families (such as the Windrush generations and others from the Empire) who came to help rebuild Britain post WW2 under the Nationality Act of 1948.

This Act recognised them as British subjects and automatically granted them the status of Citizen of the UK and Colonies (CUKC). They had the same rights of abode and unrestricted freedoms to live and work in the UK as the white British. They were also eligible for a British passport (although applying for a passport wasn't mandatory). They were just British and their descendants have been so ever since.

Goke7:
There is no money to share here, that's why na where money dey things dey scatter

Biko, let's not monetise this thread...... 😁😂

justwise:
I;m with deept on this though i totally understand your argument against profiling and the danger of it but if a certain group of people are into certain crime and every time you turn on the news is always about young black boys/men and women stabbing each other..you don't expect the police to start stopping young white men for stop-and-search

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I'm sick to my back teeth about this as we blacks constantly focused on the race rather dealing with our demon.

Yes yes and yes profiling can be abused by the police and the authority no doubt, i accept that part but we need to deal with the enemy within

Well said.

To add to the bolded, very few black boys are actually stopped and searched by the police in recent years.

The main targets are those suspected of having participated in or about to commit a crime, or being in possession of a weapon or other illegal material, particularly within specific locations.

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Lexusgs430:
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Lexusgs430:
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This is ridiculous honestly.... I'm not British and I'm pissed!

Goke7:
😂 they are already asking baba Trump to give them (SA white farmers) refugee status in the US. Funny people.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-signs-executive-order-aimed-south-africa-white-house-official-says-2025-02-07/

Request made, Done, and delivered.

Lexusgs430:
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You are not a very person lol

Zahra29:
Well said.

To add to the bolded, very few black boys are actually stopped and searched by the police in recent years.

The main targets are those suspected of having participated in or about to commit a crime, or being in possession of a weapon or other illegal material, particularly within specific locations.

Yea because the police is afraid of the accusation of racism but immediately any young black is stabbed to death you call the same police and blame them for not arresting the perpetrator on time and at the same time some black gang leaders will be warning people not to corporate with the police.

Zahra29:
Lol, you don't want some people to relax and enjoy this cold Saturday 😂

Are you saying people are getting triggered..... 😂

justwise:
You are not a very person lol

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Regex:
This is ridiculous honestly.... I'm not British and I'm pissed!

You might think you're not British(yet), but you're a British taxpayer...... 🤔😉

Zahra29:
That's exactly how I feel when you, Jedi Jedi and your unmerry gang pile up against me

I saw what you did there….Jedi Jedi and pile up in one sentence.

🤣

Lexusgs430:
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Omo, I'm so pissed ngl.

Lexusgs430:
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British are compassionate and caring people 🤣

Heyyy investment and financial gurus.

Please i would like to start organising my finances.

After bills i have like about 600 pounds to save. Instead of just putting the 600 in my llyods savings account to sit there (1.15% yearly interest) and do nothing i think its best to get my money to work.

After my research i realised rhe 3 safest thing to do will be to split yhe money into a life time investment ISA (to be ablt to buy a property in the future), put some in a cash isa and then a little bit into stocks and shares ISA.

Please gurus what are your thoughts on this?? Does anyone have any tips, advifes or even suggestions of great platforms i can use for any of the 3 isa areas i mentioned.

Viruses:
I believe if you travel to a new country to settle down permanently, you are an immigrant. Whether you eventually settle down or move about for various reasons is a different issue.

Except you're inferring that those on tier 2 for instance are expatriates and will only become immigrants after ILR.

The line of thought here is clear- what's the difference between an expat and a migrant? It's not really about what you believe- these are distinct words with clear meaning.

Migrant
Immigrant
Emigrant
Expatriate

Migrant= expat. Both immigrants and emigrants fall under the umbrella term of migrant. Regarding duration, it's also catered to. There is a reason why 'temporary migrant' is a commonly used phrase to qualify migrants who are not moving permanently.