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ichuka:
Hi bro.
U have great revelation by His Grace.same as others.christainity or the works of God are very complex and multi-demisional, depending on one's constitute.one can't give things he/she don't have.an orange tree can't bear mango fruit.though orange and mango fruits are good for the body, they still have different principles to produce the same result at the end.u get?
We are all learning and will continue to learn till the end.
Because our constituents can't grasp 1% of what God have prepared for us.in the Godhead.we just can't grasp it because of our limitations.even the angels are adamant regarding salvation.
His Grace on us is same, same as His Spirit.
May we continue to work in Him in Jesus name amen

Amen Brother!

Even with all these explanations, God is still infinitely greater than what our minds can comprehend even if God shows us everything about Himself.

Till tomorrow, we shall know in part and our comprehension would be miniscule with respect to knowing about the fullness of God

Phil 3:10-12:
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death; If by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus."

Shalom!

IYANGBALI:
I dont have time for kids especially those seeking for attetion,so beat it.thanx for your response,but how would you react to what is written in Genesis Chapter 1 verse 26-27 "  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Man was created as a Trinity just as God is a Trinity.
No other creatures in the heavens or the earth is a Trinity. They are all Dualities!

ichuka:
Lol

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IYANGBALI:
I was just going through my holy bible some couple of minutes ago,Genesis to be precised and chapter 1 verse 1 says " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." a question now came to my mind,where was God living before he created heaven,honestly i am not trying to play any pranks here i just want to be enlightened and i would be grateful if anyone out there could help me out.

Before the creation of heaven and earth, God existed in His eternal and infinite nature. He is not confined by space or time, as He is the One who created them. To understand this more fully, let’s examine how the Bible describes His existence in various ways.

1. God Exists Beyond Creation

The Bible makes it clear that God existed before the universe and is not bound by physical space.

Psalm 90:2 – "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

Isaiah 57:15 – "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy."


These verses reveal that God is eternal and exists beyond human understanding of time and space. He inhabits eternity, not a specific location.

2. God Is Spirit (Not Limited by Space)

God’s nature is spiritual, meaning He is not confined to physical dimensions.

John 4:24 – "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


Since places and physical locations were part of creation, God did not "reside" in a specific place before creation. Instead, He existed in His own divine, infinite being.

3. Heaven Was Created by God (It Is Not His Original "Home"

Heaven, like earth, was created by God and had a beginning.

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Since heaven itself was created, God did not dwell there before its existence. His presence is not dependent on a created place.

4. God’s Presence Fills Everything

Even after creating heaven and earth, God remains limitless and cannot be contained by any space.

Jeremiah 23:24 – "Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

1 Kings 8:27 – "Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you."


God’s presence is everywhere, transcending all space and time. He does not "live" in a particular place but rather fills and sustains all creation.

Thankgod89:
Before the creation of heaven and earth, God existed in His eternal and infinite nature. He is not confined by space or time, as He is the One who created them. To understand this more fully, let’s examine how the Bible describes His existence in various ways.

1. God Exists Beyond Creation

The Bible makes it clear that God existed before the universe and is not bound by physical space.

Psalm 90:2 – "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

Isaiah 57:15 – "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy."


These verses reveal that God is eternal and exists beyond human understanding of time and space. He inhabits eternity, not a specific location.

2. God Is Spirit (Not Limited by Space)

God’s nature is spiritual, meaning He is not confined to physical dimensions.

John 4:24 – "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


Since places and physical locations were part of creation, God did not "reside" in a specific place before creation. Instead, He existed in His own divine, infinite being.

3. Heaven Was Created by God (It Is Not His Original "Home"

Heaven, like earth, was created by God and had a beginning.

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Since heaven itself was created, God did not dwell there before its existence. His presence is not dependent on a created place.

4. God’s Presence Fills Everything

Even after creating heaven and earth, God remains limitless and cannot be contained by any space.

Jeremiah 23:24 – "Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

1 Kings 8:27 – "Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you."


God’s presence is everywhere, transcending all space and time. He does not "live" in a particular place but rather fills and sustains all creation.

Way to go!

MightySparrow:
cc: maximumSide
Olaadegbu
TenQ
Every brother
Every sister on this platform

I am not one of your brothers!

MaxInDHouse:
I am not one of your brothers!

You are correct, however
Even the Samaritan knew better!

Luk 10:36:
"Which now of these three, think you, was neighbor to him that fell among the thieves?"


Of course, we know you are right about this because

Mat 7:21-22:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?"

Have a nice day!

EVERYWHERE !!!

TenQ:
You are correct.
Luk 10:36:
"Which now of these three, think you, was neighbor to him that fell among the thieves?"

Thanks jàre!

You guys often amuse me instead of you to humbly learn from JWs you want to be arrogant in your ignorance.
Well Jesus was talking about NEIGHBOUR in that illustration not BROTHER o!
That's exactly what i've been telling that your brother for years now that you guys are my NEIGHBOURS not BROTHERS!

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks jàre!

You guys often amuse me instead of you to humbly learn from JWs you want to be arrogant in your ignorance.
Well Jesus was talking about NEIGHBOUR in that illustration not BROTHER o!
That's exactly what i've been telling that your brother for years now that you guys are my NEIGHBOURS not BROTHERS!

Using the JW interpretation of the word brother


Mat 10:21:
"And the brother JW shall deliver up the brother JW to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death."

Too bad for you!

Have a nice day

TenQ:
Using the JW interpretation of the word brother Mat 10:21:
"And the brother JW shall deliver up the brother JW to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death."
Too bad for you!
Have a nice day

Olódo churchgoer!

Jesus said RELATIVES will turn against one another because of difference in faith:

Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household (family). Matthew 10:36

Regarding families in the flesh Jesus said to someone who called Mary "Jesus' mother" and his siblings "Jesus' brothers"

“Look! My mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:49-50

So if you are not doing the will of my God you can only be my NEIGHBOR not my BROTHER!

MaxInDHouse:
Olódo churchgoer!

Jesus said RELATIVES will turn against one another because of difference in faith:

Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household (family). Matthew 10:36

Regarding families in the flesh Jesus said to someone who called Mary "Jesus' mother" and his siblings "Jesus' brothers"

“Look! My mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:49-50

So if you are not doing the will of my God you can only be my NEIGHBOR not my BROTHER!

Cry me a river!

TenQ:
Cry me a river!

You no be my brother, period!

MaxInDHouse:
I am not one of your brothers!

Saying the truth for the first time.

MaxInDHouse:
I am not one of your brothers!

Have you shunned us?

OLAADEGBU:
Saying the truth for the first time.

This one doesn't even know anything at all nah only Kumuyi dey in head.

Ask your brothers, that has always been my stand from day one on Nairaland!

MightySparrow:
Have you shunned us?

Have i ever agreed being your brother?

TenQ:
The answer is extremely simple and built into the Trinity. What did Jesus teach?

God is SPIRIT (the infinite Spirit) who is EVERYWHERE.
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

As the Holy Spirit, God is INVISIBLE either on the earth (Physical Realm) or the heavens (Spiritual realm). The Holy Spirit is like AIR (RUACH) whose Presence through His actions can only be felt. In other words, the Holy Spirit is the Omnipresent existence of God.

Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE

Psalm 139:7-10:
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me."
Jeremiah 23:24:
"Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."


Acts 17:28a kills it by telling us that we LIVE inside God (as the Holy Spirit).
Act 17:28
"For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.'"

The Word (The Son , Jesus) on Earth is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God, the Messanger of God's presence.

Colossians 1:15:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation"

The Father is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God in the Heavens who sits on the throne in heaven to preside over it.


This is why in Genesis 19:24, Yahweh on earth could rain down fire from Yahweh in heaven.

Genesis 19:24
"Then Yahweh (on earth with Abraham) rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the heavens."


This is why in the Throne room of the FATHER in Heaven, you cannot SEE the Holy Spirit. You can only see the Father and the Word (the Lamb, the Son) because ALL EXISTENCE are inside Him


So the question of WHERE was God is misinformed because ALL existence physical and spiritual is INSIDE God.


The whole Universe physical and spiritual are all a tiny subset WITHIN God as the Holy Spirit.



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The answer isn't built into any false unscriptural and not from God term like trinity, the answer falls more in line with what MightySparrow wrote.

Which I have shared some scriptures in light to that here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

But considering what you have written here that because God is Spirit therefore God is everywhere? Have you not made an incorrect assumption that because God is Spirit, He is the Spirit He sent everywhere? Is God confused or trying to confuse us by revealing He sent His spirit whereas if what you believe to be true is true that God sent Himself, then He should have clearly revealed that not just to the prophets who wrote but most especial to Jesus who said, our Father who art in heaven and that he goes back to the Father and he physically ascended to his right side...


If you base your answer upon a lie, how can your answer be true?

You make statements like, "Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE"

Whereas what is written in Genesis 1:2 is that the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

The trinity lie has blinded many it seems. Can you not differentiate when scripture refers to God's person and to God's presence and even the presence of God isn't manifested everywhere even though his spirit and eye is there.

Acts 17:28 for it is in God that we have our life,... not outside of it, that's why in verse 29 God is not an idol made by men but He made us and is the reason we live and exist. Did you not read the verse 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands...

Then your mistake of saying Jesus on earth whereas Jesus is not on earth but at the right side of God our Father. Then the mistake of you calling our Father and image of himself, whereas it is Christ Jesus who is the image of God. You speak about God raining fire from the heavens and not realize that he who was upon the earth speaking to Abram wasn't God but His representative. Or is the fire that spoke to Moses God as well? Even scripture called the fire the angel of God.

Realize therefore the difference between where God is, and where his eyes and spirits are

Thankgod89:
Before the creation of heaven and earth, God existed in His eternal and infinite nature. He is not confined by space or time, as He is the One who created them. To understand this more fully, let’s examine how the Bible describes His existence in various ways.

1. God Exists Beyond Creation

The Bible makes it clear that God existed before the universe and is not bound by physical space.

Psalm 90:2 – "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

Isaiah 57:15 – "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy."


These verses reveal that God is eternal and exists beyond human understanding of time and space. He inhabits eternity, not a specific location.

2. God Is Spirit (Not Limited by Space)

God’s nature is spiritual, meaning He is not confined to physical dimensions.

John 4:24 – "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


Since places and physical locations were part of creation, God did not "reside" in a specific place before creation. Instead, He existed in His own divine, infinite being.

3. Heaven Was Created by God (It Is Not His Original "Home"

Heaven, like earth, was created by God and had a beginning.

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Since heaven itself was created, God did not dwell there before its existence. His presence is not dependent on a created place.

4. God’s Presence Fills Everything

Even after creating heaven and earth, God remains limitless and cannot be contained by any space.

Jeremiah 23:24 – "Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

1 Kings 8:27 – "Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you."


God’s presence is everywhere, transcending all space and time. He does not "live" in a particular place but rather fills and sustains all creation.

tenq did you read this response?

gohf:
The answer isn't built into any false unscriptural and not from God term like trinity, the answer falls more in line with what MightySparrow wrote.

Which I have shared some scriptures in light to that here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

But considering what you have written here that because God is Spirit therefore God is everywhere? Have you not made an incorrect assumption that because God is Spirit, He is the Spirit He sent everywhere? Is God confused or trying to confuse us by revealing He sent His spirit whereas if what you believe to be true is true that God sent Himself, then He should have clearly revealed that not just to the prophets who wrote but most especial to Jesus who said, our Father who art in heaven and that he goes back to the Father and he physically ascended to his right side...


If you base your answer upon a lie, how can your answer be true?

You make statements like, "Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE"

Whereas what is written in Genesis 1:2 is that the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

The trinity lie has blinded many it seems. Can you not differentiate when scripture refers to God's person and to God's presence and even the presence of God isn't manifested everywhere even though his spirit and eye is there.

Acts 17:28 for it is in God that we have our life,... not outside of it, that's why in verse 29 God is not an idol made by men but He made us and is the reason we live and exist. Did you not read the verse 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands...

Then your mistake of saying Jesus on earth whereas Jesus is not on earth but at the right side of God our Father. Then the mistake of you calling our Father and image of himself, whereas it is Christ Jesus who is the image of God. You speak about God raining fire from the heavens and not realize that he who was upon the earth speaking to Abram wasn't God but His representative. Or is the fire that spoke to Moses God as well? Even scripture called the fire the angel of God.

Realize therefore the difference between where God is, and where his eyes and spirits are

Summarize please

MaxInDHouse:
Have i ever agreed being your brother?

Have you ever disgreed shunning me?

MightySparrow:
Have you ever disgreed shunning me?

So in a nutshell i've always maintained that i'm not one of your brothers so stop tagging me as one of your people!

God is not a thing
god is everything

orisa37:
EVERYWHERE !!!

And you are inside "THE EVERYWHERE" ? isn't it?

If yes, is it safe to say you are part of GOD?

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell i've always maintained that i'm not one of your brothers so stop tagging me as one of your people!

Okay, I will in a topic not related to religion.

sonmvayina:
And you are inside "THE EVERYWHERE" ? isn't it?

If yes, is it safe to say you are part of GOD?

U ARE EITHER A CHILD OF WONDER OR WIZARDRY.

gohf:
The answer isn't built into any false unscriptural and not from God term like trinity, the answer falls more in line with what MightySparrow wrote.

Which I have shared some scriptures in light to that here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

But considering what you have written here that because God is Spirit therefore God is everywhere? Have you not made an incorrect assumption that because God is Spirit, He is the Spirit He sent everywhere? Is God confused or trying to confuse us by revealing He sent His spirit whereas if what you believe to be true is true that God sent Himself, then He should have clearly revealed that not just to the prophets who wrote but most especial to Jesus who said, our Father who art in heaven and that he goes back to the Father and he physically ascended to his right side...


If you base your answer upon a lie, how can your answer be true?

You make statements like, "Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE"

Whereas what is written in Genesis 1:2 is that the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

The trinity lie has blinded many it seems. Can you not differentiate when scripture refers to God's person and to God's presence and even the presence of God isn't manifested everywhere even though his spirit and eye is there.

Acts 17:28 for it is in God that we have our life,... not outside of it, that's why in verse 29 God is not an idol made by men but He made us and is the reason we live and exist. Did you not read the verse 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands...

Then your mistake of saying Jesus on earth whereas Jesus is not on earth but at the right side of God our Father. Then the mistake of you calling our Father and image of himself, whereas it is Christ Jesus who is the image of God. You speak about God raining fire from the heavens and not realize that he who was upon the earth speaking to Abram wasn't God but His representative. Or is the fire that spoke to Moses God as well? Even scripture called the fire the angel of God.

Realize therefore the difference between where God is, and where his eyes and spirits are

I don't know what you believe but obviously your comprehension of the scripture is not okay. Learning is best with ask and answering questions.
Note that here I didn't talk trinity at all

I will assume that you are JW until I know what you believe

I will handle this with you one at a time and I hope you would be truthful in responding to my questions
1. Do you agree with the fact that God is SPIRIT ?
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


2. Can God as a spirit be seen?
Col 1:15:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

1Tim 1:17:
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
3. Can the Father be seen by men or Angels?


4. Is God Omnipresent!
Jer 23:24
"Can any man hide in a concealed place where I cannot see him?” declares Jehovah. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares Jehovah

Psalm 139:7-10
"Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, you are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me"

5. Does Jehovah fill the heavens and the earth?

7. If Jehovah fills the heavens and the earth, is he not Omnipresent?



The questions are for short answers please!
From what we agree with and the ones we disagree with , we can chat a path to understanding

TenQ:
I don't know what you believe but obviously your comprehension of the scripture is not okay. Learning is best with ask and answering questions.
Note that here I didn't talk trinity at all

I will assume that you are JW until I know what you believe

I will handle this with you one at a time and I hope you would be truthful in responding to my questions
1. Do you agree with the fact that God is SPIRIT ?
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


2. Can God as a spirit be seen?
Col 1:15:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

1Tim 1:17:
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
3. Can the Father be seen by men or Angels?


4. Is God Omnipresent!
Jer 23:24
"Can any man hide in a concealed place where I cannot see him?” declares Jehovah. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares Jehovah

Psalm 139:7-10
"Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, you are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me"

5. Does Jehovah fill the heavens and the earth?

7. If Jehovah fills the heavens and the earth, is he not Omnipresent?



The questions are for short answers please!
From what we agree with and the ones we disagree with , we can chat a path to understanding

Did I ask you if you knew what I believe?

Since according to you, my comprehension of scripture is not okay, why are you asking me questions concerning scriptures?

Did the basis of your reply not begin from your believe in the Trinity?

Why then did you claim that 'you didn't talk trinity at all'?

If one lies about an obvious truth should there assumptions be taken as true as well?


What have you learnt from what you read?

Are your questions based upon what you read?

In my response did I contradict that God is spiritual?

Does that which is invisible translate automatically to that which is Omnipresent?

What are you trying to prove by your questions?

Why could you not clearly state where the comprehension you claimed was not okay?

And as you stated, ask in regard to that and learn, or did you not find fault in what you read?

Are you ignoring with your mighty comprehension that answers have not already been given by the link I shared, or did you not bother reading since yesterday when you saw the message?

Are you here to reaffirm you are correct by quoting that which is true from scripture to back up a lie that you believe?

Is you lie not that God is Spirit therefore He is everywhere whereas scripture says He is above the heavens, while His eyes and spirit are everywhere?

Did I not clearly tell you where you are wrong?

Did you not read my explanations even in the link I shared about the eyes of the LORD and where the LORD himself is?

Have I not given answers already to the question concerning God's omnipresence?

Or is it that your comprehension is in absence of you actually reading?


Can you answer any of these questions I have asked you honestly without pride or deviation?

gohf:
Did I ask you if you knew what I believe?

Since according to you, my comprehension of scripture is not okay, why are you asking me questions concerning scriptures?

Did the basis of your reply not begin from your believe in the Trinity?

Why then did you claim that 'you didn't talk trinity at all'?

If one lies about an obvious truth should there assumptions be taken as true as well?


What have you learnt from what you read?

Are your questions based upon what you read?

In my response did I contradict that God is spiritual?

Does that which is invisible translate automatically to that which is Omnipresent?

What are you trying to prove by your questions?

Why could you not clearly state where the comprehension you claimed was not okay?

And as you stated, ask in regard to that and learn, or did you not find fault in what you read?

Are you ignoring with your mighty comprehension that answers have not already been given by the link I shared, or did you not bother reading since yesterday when you saw the message?

Are you here to reaffirm you are correct by quoting that which is true from scripture to back up a lie that you believe?

Is you lie not that God is Spirit therefore He is everywhere whereas scripture says He is above the heavens, while His eyes and spirit are everywhere?

Did I not clearly tell you where you are wrong?

Did you not read my explanations even in the link I shared about the eyes of the LORD and where the LORD himself is?

Have I not given answers already to the question concerning God's omnipresence?

Or is it that your comprehension is in absence of you actually reading?


Can you answer any of these questions I have asked you honestly without pride or deviation?

Please refer back to my questions then I will take you serious. Otherwise, please have a good day!

orisa37:
U ARE EITHER A CHILD OF WONDER OR WIZARDRY.

P

How about both...they are not mutually exclusive...or are they?

MaxInDHouse:
The KJV has done it again throwing up the confusion that'll blind many.
Well the correct rendering is:
In the beginning God created the HEAVENS and the earth!
The heavens here are visible planet and stars we are seeing not the spirit realms where God lives!

When the Bible said:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

It was referring to the planets and stars not the spiritual realm.

The spiritual realm is invisible and not accessible to humans so if humans built a space ship faster than the speed of light they can never ever travel to the spiritual realm because it's no part of the visible planets and stars in the Milky Way.

So there are two different places the Bible use that name for the first that is mentioned in Genesis 1:1 is "HEAVENS" and it means other planets and stars we can see in the sky the verse means:

In the beginning God created the Stars and planets including our planet home EARTH. Genesis 1:1

The second is the spiritual realm where God dwells Himself with other spirit beings {John 14:2-3 compare to Job 38:7} no human can travel to this place unless such a person is given a spiritual visa according to Jesus there is no gender case there because dwellers in heaven are all the same. Luke 20:34-36

This is where God dwells before creating the planets and stars we know today as either solar system or universe!

sonmvayina:
P

How about both...they are not mutually exclusive...or are they?

YOU ARE EITHER A SAINT OR A SINNER; RIGHTEOUS OR SATANIC, THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
LUCIFER IS A SON OF OLODUMARE. CHRIST IS TOO.
OLODUMARE IS THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION, GOD.
A WONDER IS A MIRACLE. A WIZARD IS A MAGICIAN.
THE TWO ARE SEPARATE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS OF THE CEO(MD) GOD.