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MaxInDHouse:
Mr Tirimisiu, no verse specifically said Jesus is Michael just as no verse say Jesus is not Michael but there is an angel that often stands as God's spokesman {Genesis 18:1-4} or WORD of God {John 1:1; Revelations 19:13} he is the head of all the angels in heaven or Archangel.

That is what the OP can't refute when he met Jehovah's Witnesses that's why he came to ask for scriptures to tackle what was presented to him by the JWs.

After many scriptural points this is what he has to say before running away:



So he can never ever find anything to say against what God's people teaches other than running away from facts!

https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

So basically, we are into guesswork again. Because Angel Michael often stands as God's spokesman, he is Jesus Christ? Moses was God's spokesman and every prophet bringing us His words were his spokes man.
You don't become Jesus Christ by being God's spokesman, it takes a whole lot more.
Lastly, if the scriptures never revealed that Angle Michael was Jesus Christ, it is for a reason.
It is always wise to stick to the already revealed truth than to create our own truths which are often times false.
Mr Tirimisiu as Christian, let's learn to ask, where was it revealed and when the person gets into complex theorizing instead of pointing us to the revelation in the scriptures, do not take such a person serious.
We believe in every word that processes from the mouth of God and not in the guesswork of man.

MaxInDHouse:
To understand God look at Jesus and his mode of operation! Colossians 2:9

Jesus began preaching and teaching also he calls people to join him but after they have increased in number Jesus selected twelve out of his numerous disciples {Luke 6:13} these set he called "apostles" they are all like his children {John 13:33; 21:5} yet there are first set among them who were first engaged in the work he later gave millions earth wide {Act 1:8} so the first set he assigned to rule over the rest! Matthew 19:28

Now do you think all the twelve are of the same age?

😂😂😂 Don't you know they were all called in the same timeframe😂😂😂.

You truly don't think.
Now to poke holes in this useless premise of yours!

While your "first set " fits men greatly how does it fit angels?

I will point out two implications: the Angels' creation date was not equal hence those made first engaged first, the second is rather far off, given hints that if all the angels were made together then what resulted in this - FIRST SET - is nothing but a byproduct of individual zeal and motivation.

Choose the lesser evil between this two implications and let's consider its slippery slope to show; you will be damned in both ways!!!

In order for you to reconcile the fact that your so called Michael, Jesus, is one of the chief princes, you are forced to create a "FIRST SET" work around as the renowned mathematician that you are!!!

tctrills:
So basically, we are into guesswork again. Because Angel Michael often stands as God's spokesman, he is Jesus Christ? Moses was God's spokesman and every prophet bringing us His words were his spokes man.
You don't become Jesus Christ by being God's spokesman, it takes a whole lot more.
Lastly, if the scriptures never revealed that Angle Michael was Jesus Christ, it is for a reason.
It is always wise to stick to the already revealed truth than to create our own truths which are often times false.
Mr Tirimisiu as Christian, let's learn to ask, where was it revealed and when the person gets into complex theorizing instead of pointing us to the revelation in the scriptures, do not take such a person serious.
We believe in every word that processes from the mouth of God and not in the guesswork of man.

As God's spokesman among the angels that's what qualifies Michael to be called "the WORD"

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂 Don't you know they were all called in the same timeframe😂😂😂.

You truly don't think.
Now to poke holes in this useless premise of yours!

While your "first set " fits men greatly how does it fit angels?

I will point out two implications: the Angels' creation date was not equal hence those made first engaged first, the second is rather far off, given hints that if all the angels were made together then what resulted in this - FIRST SET - is nothing but a byproduct of individual zeal and motivation.

Choose the lesser evil between this two implications and let's consider its slippery slope to show; you will be damned in both ways!!!

It's not compulsory you agree all you need to do is present your own church and let's examine the WORKS of your faith {James 2:18-26} your argument is of no relevance now! 1Timothy 6:4

MaxInDHouse:
As God's spokesman among the angels that's what qualifies Michael to be called "the WORD"

lost false jw mad max

those are just words made up in your head

show from scripture that michael is God's spokesman among the angels
as far as i've seen other angels speak for God as well

show from scripture that michael is qualified to be called the Word

gabriel spoke to mary for God, so according to your reasoning
gabriel must be qualified to be called the Word

false jw, u r so dum and a fraud, aren't you, making up lies and then preaching them

MaxInDHouse:
It's not compulsory you agree all you need to do is present your own church and let's examine the WORKS of your faith {James 2:18-26} your argument is of no relevance now! 1Timothy 6:4

I am beginning to see that you have nothing logical to say.

You are more concerned with my "church" than over the sanity and truthiness of your posits!!!

As far as I am concerned, my church is not the subject topic, whatever you chip in about that is irrelevant🤨

Face the problem at hand and stop running like your Father the Devil!!!!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

those are just words made up in your head

show from scripture that michael is God's spokesman among the angels
as far as i've seen other angels speak for God as well

show from scripture that michael is qualified to be called the Word

They can't show from scripture, what they have or hold onto is "the correlation" of the personalities!!!

And they failed to accommodate for the fact that "correlation doesn't mean causation"!!!!

And this posit of theirs fails woefully as it doesn't pass the law of non-contradiction.

You can see the great length he is currently going to, just to defend or reconcile the supposed superiority of Michael to the fact he is ONE OF the chief princes.

CREATING SET Theory afresh🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
As God's spokesman among the angels that's what qualifies Michael to be called "the WORD"

That's your opinion. The scriptures never says being God's spokesman among angels makes you Jesus Christ.
Your argument makes some sense but you are depending on human wisdom and not revealed truths.
Let's learn to base our argument on what God has revealed and not what we think even if it makes sense.

Gabrielshow24:
I am beginning to see that you have nothing logical to say.
You are more concerned with my "church" than over the sanity and truthiness of your posits!!!
As far as I am concerned, my church is not the subject topic, whatever you chip in about that is irrelevant🤨
Face the problem at hand and stop running like your Father the Devil!!!!

Your faith based on arguments on what is written in God's word without visible works of evidence backing it is DEAD! James 2:18-26

tctrills:
Your argument makes some sense!

OK!

Gabrielshow24:
They can't show from scripture, what they have or hold onto is "the correlation" of the personalities!!!

And they failed to accommodate for the fact that "correlation doesn't mean causation"!!!!

And this posit of theirs fails woefully as it doesn't pass the law of non-contradiction.

You can see the great length he is currently going to, just to defend or reconcile the supposed superiority of Michael to the fact he is ONE OF the chief princes.

CREATING SET Theory afresh🤣🤣🤣

gabriel spoke to mary for God, so according to false jw mad max's reasoning
gabriel must be qualified to be called the Word

they are dum frauds

MaxInDHouse:
Your faith based on arguments on what is written in God's word without visible works of evidence backing it is DEAD! James 2:18-26

🤦You keep showing your idiocy for the word to see.

Am talking about your posits, you are concerned about my Faith producing works!!!

Maybe when the subject matter is on Faith producing works then I will honor your reply until then dance to the tune of your own making 🤤.

Gabrielshow24:
Am talking about your posits, you are concerned about my Faith producing works!!!

That's what the scripture teaches!

Two persons are debating on God's word to find out who is on God's side so both of them kept quoting the scriptures but while one is presenting the WORKS of his FAITH {James 2:18} the other just arguing based on his PERSONAL opinion! 1Timothy 6:4

So suit yourself my guy!

MaxInDHouse:
That's what the scripture teaches!

Two persons are debating on God's word to find out who is on God's side so both of them kept quoting the scriptures but while one is presenting the WORKS of his FAITH {James 2:18} the other just arguing based on his PERSONAL opinion! 1Timothy 6:4

So suit yourself my guy!

😂😂😂😂
You should really take up stand up comedy.

Guy you are too funny🤤.
Foolishness indeed make men funny😂😂😂.

Even the blind can see that while yet he calls "Michael, Jesus" based on THE WORKS OF HIS FAITH that he is indeed the one saying his PERSONAL opinion🥲.

johnw47:
gabriel spoke to mary for God, so according to false jw mad max's reasoning
gabriel must be qualified to be called the Word
they are dum frauds

Ọ̀dẹ̀!

Michael is God's spokesman among the angels not just angels speaking to humans but one who is always speaking as the Holy one of God among the angels!

Despite putting on the appearance of a lesser being {Hebrews 2:9} a demon could still recognize him:

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. Mark 1:24

Why?

Jesus/Michael is God's spokesman among the angels in heaven: the WORD!

Gabrielshow24:
"Michael, Jesus" based on THE WORKS OF HIS FAITH that he is indeed the one saying his PERSONAL opinion🥲.

Ọmọ do understand English?

Between you and i who has failed to present an organization that is working due to his faith? James 2:18-26

You can't even mention a church/group that's sharing your thoughts.

So is that not what makes everything you think PERSONAL?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ do understand English?

Between you and i who has failed to present an organization that is working due to his faith? James 2:18-26

You can't even mention a church/group that's sharing your thoughts.

So is that not what makes everything you think PERSONAL?

History is filled with how people separated by time and space arrive at the same mathematical truth or concept!!!

The truth is objective!!!
It doesn't matter whether you have 1.3billion people as JW, appeal to population doesn't guarantee truthiness!!!

That's why no intellectually sane person will take you seriously when you mention things like this as a defense to your statement!!!

It's really appalling when you catch a thief and the first thing he mentions is the existence/normalization of thieves!!!

That's exactly what you are doing right now.
You make people infer that the reason you do these things is because your family does them!!!

And you have been so imbibed into this family that there's no self thought and reasoning - and that bears a remarkable resemblance to a cult!!!

Consequently why you are part of a cult!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀dẹ̀!

Michael is God's spokesman among the angels not just angels speaking to humans but one who is always speaking as the Holy one of God among the angels!

Despite putting on the appearance of a lesser being {Hebrews 2:9} a demon could still recognize him:

Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. Mark 1:24

Why?

Jesus/Michael is God's spokesman among the angels in heaven: the WORD!

😂😂😂From Holy one to Michael!!!

What a logical leap!!! 🤦

Gabrielshow24:
History is filled with how people separated by time and space arrive at the same mathematical truth or concept!!!

The truth is objective!!!
It doesn't matter whether you have 1.3billion people as JW, appeal to population doesn't guarantee truthiness!!!

That's why no intellectually sane person will take you seriously when you mention things like this as a defense to your statement!!!

It's really appalling when you catch a thief and the first thing he mentions is the existence/normalization of thieves!!!

That's exactly what you are doing right now.
You make people infer that the reason you do these things is because your family does them!!!

And you have been so imbibed into this family that there's no self thought and reasoning - and that bears a remarkable resemblance to a cult!!!

Consequently why you are part of a cult!!!

Ọmọ Jesus PRAYED for his disciples to have the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

So if you can't present an organization with which you share the same line of thought then it means you're not connected to Jesus in any way!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂From Holy one to Michael!!!
What a logical leap!!! 🤦

YES!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus PRAYED for his disciples to have the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

So if you can't present an organization with which you share the same line of thought then it means you're not connected to Jesus in any way!

Always an "organization" 🤦
Nothing more

🤖-It doesn't matter what is True, it doesn't matter what is real all that matters is what the organization says!!!

Prime definition of Brainwashing!!! 😈

MaxInDHouse:
OK!

Yes you make some sense but for gospel truths you need more than that. You need God's revealed word.
The goal here isn't to make sense but to point people to the word of God.

My intent was to show all how intellectually dishonest you are!!!

How it's nothing but gigo with you!!!
All the questions I asked; neither you nor your colleagues have been able to provide a response.

The other tried but was quickly logically trapped but you on the other hand just make it easy, your foolishness showcases your logical incompetence for the world to see!!!

And it goes to show how your "organization" does nothing but conflate ideas together.

Nothing but observer of signs turned christians that's why they are so obsessed with dates👀.

The self same logic he refuses to adhere to is what his leaders used to equate Jesus to Michael🤣🤣🤣, now using that self same logic their posits doesn't pass the law of non-contradiction.

What other way to savage the situation than to use sets - mathematical concept of sets!!!
That leader of theirs that came about this must have seen himself as a Genius but he was indeed foolish, as the FIRST SET theory crumbles quickly like the rest, having unintended implications and consequents!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Always an "organization" 🤦
Nothing more
🤖-It doesn't matter what is True, it doesn't matter what is real all that matters is what the organization says!!!
Prime definition of Brainwashing!!! 😈

Say what is in your mind nah, definitely Jesus must have brainwashed all his disciples for them to have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

tctrills:
The goal here isn't to make sense but to point people to the word of God.

So that each of them may face different direction and continue arguing against themselves {1Corinthians 14:33} or so that they may have the same line of thought? John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
So that each of them may face different direction and continue arguing against themselves {1Corinthians 14:33} or so that they may have the same line of thought? John 17:22

Now he goes off to another topic. I see how these verses teach you that Angle Michael is Jesus Christ.
If 2 or more people have the same line of thought regarding nonsense, does that suddenly make it sensible?
All Muslims believe Mohammed is a prophet of God, does that make him God's prophet?
No need to start saying meaningless things now. I already praised you that you initial argument made Sense.

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

those are just words made up in your head

show from scripture that michael is God's spokesman among the angels
as far as i've seen other angels speak for God as well

show from scripture that michael is qualified to be called the Word

gabriel spoke to mary for God, so according to your reasoning
gabriel must be qualified to be called the Word

false jw, u r so dum and a fraud, aren't you, making up lies and then preaching them

That arrogance of a so called Bible knowledge is cause of all this problem

tctrills:
Now he goes off to another topic. I see how these verses teach you that Angle Michael is Jesus Christ.
If 2 or more people have the same line of thought regarding nonsense, does that suddenly make it sensible?
All Muslims believe Mohammed is a prophet of God, does that make him God's prophet?
No need to start saying meaningless things now. I already praised you that you initial argument made Sense.

When cornered he go run away.

tctrills:
Now he goes off to another topic. I see how these verses teach you that Angle Michael is Jesus Christ.
If 2 or more people have the same line of thought regarding nonsense, does that suddenly make it sensible?
All Muslims believe Mohammed is a prophet of God, does that make him God's prophet?
No need to start saying meaningless things now. I already praised you that you initial argument made Sense.

Jesus gave his faithful disciples a global assignment {Act 1:8} they have to go to all the earth in search of peace lovers {Luke 10:6} and TEACH them all the things he commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} so that they can form a global family of peace loving worshipers due to the teachings they got from Jesus.

Oya tell me the way any expert can take to make that work if they don't have the same line of thought?

Gabrielshow24:
My intent was to show all how intellectually dishonest you are!!!

How it's nothing but gigo with you!!!
All the questions I asked; neither you nor your colleagues have been able to provide a response.

The other tried but was quickly logically trapped but you on the other hand just make it easy, your foolishness showcases your logical incompetence for the world to see!!!

And it goes to show how your "organization" does nothing but conflate ideas together.

Nothing but observer of signs turned christians that's why they are so obsessed with dates👀.

The self same logic he refuses to adhere to is what his leaders used to equate Jesus to Michael🤣🤣🤣, now using that self same logic their posits doesn't pass the law of non-contradiction.

What other way to savage the situation than to use sets - mathematical concept of sets!!!
That leader of theirs that came about this must have seen himself as a Genius but he was indeed foolish, as the FIRST SET theory crumbles quickly like the rest, having unintended implications and consequents!!!

What a response to committee of worst fools parading themselves as Jehovah’s witnesses in Jehovah's organization.


Well, when they were asked what do they identify as. Their response was, they are worst fools on Nairaland.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus gave his faithful disciples a global assignment {Act 1:8} they have to go to all the earth in search of peace lovers {Luke 10:6} and TEACH them all the things he commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} so that they can form a global family of peace loving worshipers due to the teachings they got from Jesus.

Oya tell me the way any expert can take to make that work if they don't have the same line of thought?

Before your lies and manipulations filled religious organization you know as Jehovah’s organization came into existence +/- 150 years ago that so called global assignment had reach all the distance part of the earth.

Just a year or two back your GODS of men said your package good news associated with Jehovah's Witnesses those living close to your headquarters are not aware you are here competing with those who taught your founding fathers who Jesus Christ was.