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sonmvayina:
Is it not humans that committed the sin?
Are they not the ones to make the restitution?
Why ask to kill an innocent man as a sin sacrifice.
It does not even work with humans with their frailty. Why should a loving God adopt it?

You go argue tire for this matter!

I have told you countless times that the sin God is talking about is not what humans committed because that one is simple before Him {Psalms 103:12-14} but the sin that's causing death {Genesis 3:19 compare to Psalms 49:7-9} is what God is talking about.

The blood to watch that away must be that of a PERFECT man equal to Adam the one that transferred sin and death to all his descendants who was also a PERFECT man. 1Corinthians 15:45

That's why Jesus must be born sinless so that he could pay that price for obedient mankind.

So no matter how much you cry because of what your faithless Jewish landlord told you against Jesus it's not going to work, that's how they have been faithless and rebellious from the onset!

sonmvayina:
Which would you endorse?

I will endorse the sacrifice that will end it all and never to be repeated that's the blood of a PERFECT man who has no human father: Jesus Christ!

sonmvayina:
If you were a loving God which would you choose?
1: Ask people to sincerely repent of their sins and forsake their evil ways.....and you forgive them their sins and restore property to the land.(Jewish idea, see 2nd chronicles 7:14)
Or
2.impregnate another man's wife with a version of yourself by breaking all your laws and Demand that he be killed as a human sacrifice and ask people to believe the dead man. Before you forgive their sins.(Christian idea)

What is the point of repenting if they will die with the wicked and remain dead with them? Seeing as God's word doesn't change.
A loving and Just God who doesn't change his word, but send his word to deliver and save those who truly repent from their sins and seperate them from the curse of sin and death

sonmvayina:
So which will you choose...human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin or repent and forsake your evil ways and forgive(2nd chronicles 7:14?

God forgives us not because blood is shed, God forgives us because we repent that's why the gospel is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The blood which was used in the very temple mentioned in 2Chronicles 7:14 could only provide a temporary re-connection to God by cleansing the people according to the mosaic law, which was the only way for them to approach God who said, 2Chr.7.12 - Then one night the LORD appeared to Solomon and said, "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this Temple as the place for making sacrifices.
But even that temple was destroyee though a copy of the original seen by David, magnificent, it was destroyed. Now there exists the original the true temple, were the sacrifices of goats, cows and sheep do not count, so no one can actually approach God there and seek for forgiveness but Jesus offered himself to God, not his blood for God is not a bloodsucker, and God accepted him, to represent us and obtain mercy with a promise of permanent healing for a land and a nation that won't ever be destroyed.

sonmvayina:
Is it not humans that committed the sin?
Are they not the ones to make the restitution?

Why ask to kill an innocent man as a sin sacrifice.
It does not even work with humans with their frailty. Why should a loving God adopt it?

why kill an innocent animal?

sonmvayina:
Where did I mention the killing of cows?

See 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Confess and forsake your evil ways...I will forgive and restore your land.

As against
A human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.

Which would you endorse?

It doesn't matter the false dichotomy you present the so called "confess and forsake your evil ways" result in animal sacrifice.

So your ill veiled attempt to reduce the entire Jewish proceedings to "that" is dubious and shows you're intellectual dishonest.

How will they take away their sins? 🤔
Are they the ones taking away their own sins?

There is a method already prescribed for that!!
It involves soul exchange, except you want to turn a blind eye to that then it's you that has the problem because you have selectively chosen what fits you!!!

sonmvayina:
Is it not humans that committed the sin?
Are they not the ones to make the restitution?

Why ask to kill an innocent man as a sin sacrifice.
It does not even work with humans with their frailty. Why should a loving God adopt it?

Because in the first place "that man" is God in flesh that came to deliver men from their burden.

Everything alludes to the soul exchange which we can't see physically save for the shedding of blood.

Hence I beg to differ, it even shows God as a loving God that intends to save man by using an escape character even in their present framework!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Because in the first place "that man" is God in flesh that came to deliver men from their burden.

Everything alludes to the soul exchange which we can't see physically save for the shedding of blood.

Hence I beg to differ, it even shows God as a loving God that intends to save man by using an escape character even in their present framework!!!

If the man was God in flesh, explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can that verse above say that no one has seen God at anytime when they actually saw Jesus who was God in flesh according to you.


Do you agree with the diagram in the screenshot below.

Truthseeker10:
If the man was God in flesh, explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can that verse above say that no one has seen God at anytime when they actually saw Jesus who was God in flesh according to you.


Do you agree with the diagram in the screenshot below.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

Irrespective of your sentiments, I have answered this before but I will leave this to you.

If "ENERGY" the mundane creation of God can exist everywhere then I see no reason how Jehovah could be so isolated and incapacitated that he is restrained by time and space😂😂😂😂.

Maybe Jehovah created something better than him🤤, something he, himself, couldn't do🤕.

Indeed you are serving the "Living God" 🙄.

Gabrielshow24:
Because in the first place "that man" is God in flesh that came to deliver men from their burden.

Everything alludes to the soul exchange which we can't see physically save for the shedding of blood.

Hence I beg to differ, it even shows God as a loving God that intends to save man by using an escape character even in their present framework!!!

But he already gave a solution in 2nd chronicles 7 :14 and it does not involve a human/God sacrifice. Just repent sincerely, he would forgive or are you advising him that it is not enough??

Gabrielshow24:
It's like talking to a brick wall.

Irrespective of your sentiments, I have answered this before but I will leave this to you.

If "ENERGY" the mundane creation of God can exist everywhere then I see no reason how Jehovah could be so isolated and incapacitated that he is restrained by time and space😂😂😂😂.

Maybe Jehovah created something better than him🤤, something he, himself, couldn't do🤕.

Indeed you are serving the "Living God" 🙄.

You are yet to explain John 1:18.

If you say that the man was God in flesh, explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can that verse above say that no one has seen God at anytime when they actually saw Jesus who was God in flesh according to you.

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter the false dichotomy you present the so called "confess and forsake your evil ways" result in animal sacrifice.

So your ill veiled attempt to reduce the entire Jewish proceedings to "that" is dubious and shows you're intellectual dishonest.

How will they take away their sins? 🤔
Are they the ones taking away their own sins?

There is a method already prescribed for that!!
It involves soul exchange, except you want to turn a blind eye to that then it's you that has the problem because you have selectively chosen what fits you!!!

It is God's requirement..

Are you insisting it is not enough?

gohf:
why kill an innocent animal?

God's solution was confess and forsake your evil ways...I will hear from heaven and forgive and restore. Animal sacrifice was a traditional practice not a requirement from God.
A contrite hearth you will not spurn Psalm 51.

"I desire obedience and not sacrifice " says the Lord.

That is the position of God. Not animal or human sacrifice...

gohf:
God forgives us not because blood is shed, God forgives us because we repent that's why the gospel is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The blood which was used in the very temple mentioned in 2Chronicles 7:14 could only provide a temporary re-connection to God by cleansing the people according to the mosaic law, which was the only way for them to approach God who said, 2Chr.7.12 - Then one night the LORD appeared to Solomon and said, "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this Temple as the place for making sacrifices.
But even that temple was destroyee though a copy of the original seen by David, magnificent, it was destroyed. Now there exists the original the true temple, were the sacrifices of goats, cows and sheep do not count, so no one can actually approach God there and seek for forgiveness but Jesus offered himself to God, not his blood for God is not a bloodsucker, and God accepted him, to represent us and obtain mercy with a promise of permanent healing for a land and a nation that won't ever be destroyed.

So you are advising God to accept a human sacrifice?

sonmvayina:
It is God's requirement..

Are you insisting it is not enough?

It's part of the requirements 🙄.
You still have to use the sacrificial lamb!!!

gohf:
What is the point of repenting if they will die with the wicked and remain dead with them? Seeing as God's word doesn't change.
A loving and Just God who doesn't change his word, but send his word to deliver and save those who truly repent from their sins and seperate them from the curse of sin and death

You are mixing Judaism and Christianity..that's where your problem is.

God in the Tanakh echoed it very loud that he hates human sacrifice.
Jesus death has got nothing to do with God.

There is no curse of sin. Death is for everyone.
Man was never meant to stay here forever.

Gabrielshow24:
It's part of the requirements 🙄.
You still have to use the sacrificial lamb!!!

But never a human being right??

sonmvayina:
God's solution was confess and forsake your evil ways...I will hear from heaven and forgive and restore. Animal sacrifice was a traditional practice not a requirement from God.
A contrite hearth you will not spurn Psalm 51.

"I desire obedience and not sacrifice " says the Lord.

That is the position of God. Not animal or human sacrifice...

Like I said earlier, you always selectively choose what befits you from scriptures!!! 🤕

You act as if the same God didn't prescribe animal sacrifice as an atonement for sins 🤦.

sonmvayina:
But never a human being right??

You are going back and forth, I have resolved this by giving you a response.

"That man" - is the sacrificial lamb prepared by God from the beginning of the world!!!

MaxInDHouse:
I will endorse the sacrifice that will end it all and never to be repeated that's the blood of a PERFECT man who has no human father: Jesus Christ!

Lol...That's why you belong to a satanic cult.
Human sacrifice is an abomination in the real God's eyes...
He created human life ...why would he ask you to kill anyone for him? Those it make any sense?

Truthseeker10:
You are yet to explain John 1:18.

If you say that the man was God in flesh, explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can that verse above say that no one has seen God at anytime when they actually saw Jesus who was God in flesh according to you.

JEHOVAH, the incapable 🤔.

Now I ask you is God greater than "Energy"?
You will be quick to say yes🤣🤣🤣.

But energy is omnipresent but your God aren't 🤨.

A doctrine made by primitive men, claiming to be the true disciples of God!!!

I won't have this type of discourse with you, cause you are intellectually dishonest.

Let me give you an heads up!!!
Ask Michael(aka Max), Mich547, Janosky and the rest how they were vanquished when they were incoherent!!!

If you are certain, come out of this Socrates inspired modus operandi, let's have a sane discussion.

Let's admit every doctrinal evidence into the discourse using both scriptures and rules of logic.

Then we will see why most "TRUE" Christians subscribe to the fact that God is omnipresent!!!!

until then I have nothing to discuss with you.

Gabrielshow24:
You are going back and forth, I have resolved this by giving you a response.

"That man" - is the sacrificial lamb prepared by God from the beginning of the world!!!

Proof please....I need quotes from the Tanakh.

Let's go..

sonmvayina:
Lol...That's why you belong to a satanic cult.

I thought you said Satan is God's servant? What happened to your brain again?
Are you now of the opinion that Satan is evil?

Gabrielshow24:
Like I said earlier, you always selectively choose what befits you from scriptures!!! 🤕

You act as if the same God didn't prescribe animal sacrifice as an atonement for sins 🤦.

Give me one place from the Tanakh were God accepted human sacrifice.
I will wait..

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you said Satan is God's servant? What happened to your brain again?
Are you now of the opinion that Satan is evil?

That does not change the fact that you belong to an evil cult.

That takes delight in seeing innocent people suffer.
The real God does not need a human sacrifice.
Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer.

Gabrielshow24:
You are going back and forth, I have resolved this by giving you a response.

"That man" - is the sacrificial lamb prepared by God from the beginning of the world!!!

Show me where God planned it in the Tanakh.

sonmvayina:
You are mixing Judaism and Christianity..that's where your problem is.

God in the Tanakh echoed it very loud that he hates human sacrifice.
Jesus death has got nothing to do with God.

There is no curse of sin. Death is for everyone.
Man was never meant to stay here forever.

what exactly is human sacrifice?
Was Jesus sacrificed as a human sacrifice to God?
What do you mean Jesus death has nothing to do with God? Are you saying it was not God's will for him to die or that God did not kill him, or that God wasn't aware that he was going to die?
You keep shouting Tanakh when you don't even understand it.

What is the cause of death? What does the Tanakh reveal about why men die?

Are you saying that God didn't reveal the death of Jesus in the Tanakh?

sonmvayina:
So you are advising God to accept a human sacrifice?

it that what you understood from what I wrote? no wonder you have a poor understanding of the Tanakh.

sonmvayina:
Give me one place from the Tanakh were God accepted human sacrifice.
I will wait..

What you allude to is human sacrifice 🤨.
What I allude to is the concept of reconciliation of man to God through the sacrificial lamb!!!

The lamb that taketh away the sins of the people!!!

sonmvayina:
God's solution was confess and forsake your evil ways...I will hear from heaven and forgive and restore. Animal sacrifice was a traditional practice not a requirement from God.
A contrite hearth you will not spurn Psalm 51.

"I desire obedience and not sacrifice " says the Lord.

That is the position of God. Not animal or human sacrifice...

you are not obviously ignorant of your own Tanakh, you read they could not enter the temple to minister without shedding and you wrote this as your response.

I asked you is the animal not innocent? And here you lie against the very Tanakh and the Torah given by Moses which obligated the children of Israel to give such sacrifices as regards their uncleanliness.

How can you even know God's position when you don't even know God's word

gohf:
you are not obviously ignorant of your own Tanakh, you read they could not enter the temple to minister without shedding and you wrote this as your response.

I asked you is the animal not innocent? And here you lie against the very Tanakh and the Torah given by Moses which obligated the children of Israel to give such sacrifices as regards their uncleanliness.

How can you even know God's position when you don't even know God's word

Ok...when did God order a human sacrifice?

Gabrielshow24:
What you allude to is human sacrifice 🤨.
What I allude to is the concept of reconciliation of man to God through the sacrificial lamb!!!

The lamb that taketh away the sins of the people!!!

Is it the lamb that takes away the sin of the people or God?
Show me where God ordered a human sacrifice from the Tanakh.

I am still waiting.