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sonmvayina:
It is God's requirement..

Are you insisting it is not enough?

God's requirement from that 2 Chronicles 7

Then one night the LORD appeared to Solomon and said, "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this Temple as the place for making sacrifices. At times I might shut up the heavens so that no rain falls, or I might command locusts to devour your crops, or I might send plagues among you. Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land. I will listen to every prayer made in this place, for I have chosen this Temple and set it apart to be my home forever. My eyes and my heart will always be here.



Look you don't need to lie against God, you can read it here that God mentioned the sacrifices before their prayers.

sonmvayina:
Ok...when did God order a human sacrifice?

you should first apologize for lying and suggesting that there were no animal sacrifices needed

sonmvayina:
Is it the lamb that takes away the sin of the people or God?
Show me where God ordered a human sacrifice from the Tanakh.

I am still waiting.

you have not yet answered me, define what a human sacrifice is?

sonmvayina:
That does not change the fact that you belong to an evil cult. That takes delight in seeing innocent people suffer. The real God does not need a human sacrifice. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer.

Stop this insanity jọọ!

If you call anything "SATANIC" you don't attach it to EVIL if you're in your right senses because you as in your very self said Satan is God's servant!

sonmvayina:
Show me where God planned it in the Tanakh.

have you never read Psalms nor Isaiah 53.

I told you you do not know the Tanakh

sonmvayina:
Is it the lamb that takes away the sin of the people or God?
Show me where God ordered a human sacrifice from the Tanakh.

I am still waiting.

That's why we say Jesus is not an human sacrifice.

And even the very tanakh from the prophecy of Isaiah, Isaiah 53:2, suggest the messiah will bear the sins of the people!!! Even as an offering for sin!

Gabrielshow24:
JEHOVAH, the incapable 🤔.

Now I ask you is God greater than "Energy"?
You will be quick to say yes🤣🤣🤣.

But energy is omnipresent but your God aren't 🤨.

A doctrine made by primitive men, claiming to be the true disciples of God!!!

I won't have this type of discourse with you, cause you are intellectually dishonest.

Let me give you an heads up!!!
Ask Michael(aka Max), Mich547, Janosky and the rest how they were vanquished when they were incoherent!!!

If you are certain, come out of this Socrates inspired modus operandi, let's have a sane discussion.

Let's admit every doctrinal evidence into the discourse using both scriptures and rules of logic.

Then we will see why most "TRUE" Christians subscribe to the fact that God is omnipresent!!!!

until then I have nothing to discuss with you.

Are you saying that every man is God in flesh since God is in every man just like Jesus?



If God is omnipresent, explain this statement by you: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?

sonmvayina:
Give me one place from the Tanakh were God accepted human sacrifice.
I will wait..

God does not accept dead things, that's why those offered to God were dedicated to the temple/tabernacle, by being Nazarenes or something else like the daughter of that Judge that gave his daughter to God.

Even Abraham offered Isaac to God obeying God but he didn't kill Isaac. That's why Paul writes, offer your bodies as living sacrifice to God which is acceptable to God.

When you offer your heart to God, or cut your heart, circumcising it, it doesn't mean you put a knife inside your chest before God accepts you.

To offer yourself is to obey till death.

gohf:
it that what you understood from what I wrote? no wonder you have a poor understanding of the Tanakh.

I want you to tell me that you are advising God to accept a human being as a sacrifice...
I want to hear it from you..

gohf:
God does not accept dead things, that's why those offered to God were dedicated to the temple/tabernacle, by being Nazarenes or something else like the daughter of that Judge that gave his daughter to God.

Even Abraham offered Isaac to God obeying God but he didn't kill Isaac. That's why Paul writes, offer your bodies as living sacrifice to God which is acceptable to God.

When you offer your heart to God, or cut your heart, circumcising it, it doesn't mean you put a knife inside your chest before God accepts you.

To offer yourself is to obey till death.

You are deviating from your beliefs..

Was Jesus a human sacrifice for sin ? You said yes...
I asked you to tell me when God planned it from the Tanakh. I am waiting.
It should be simple to you...

Gabrielshow24:
That's why we say Jesus is not an human sacrifice.

And even the very tanakh from the prophecy of Isaiah, Isaiah 53:2, suggest the messiah will bear the sins of the people!!! Even as an offering for sin!

You are contradicting yourself
Show me where God planned that a God or a human being will be a sin sacrifice.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel
The entire Tanakh is about Israel.....
Israel is the suffering servant..

I opened a thread to teach that..you can look for it.

I am still waiting.

gohf:
have you never read Psalms nor Isaiah 53.

I told you you do not know the Tanakh

Isaiah 53 is about Israel...

Show me where God planned that he would be needing a human/God sacrifice in other to forgive sins..

I am waiting.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop this insanity jọọ!

If you call anything "SATANIC" you don't attach it to EVIL if you're in your right senses because you as in your very self said Satan is God's servant!

So your cult is evil...yes or No.?

sonmvayina:
You are contradicting yourself
Show me where God planned that a God or a human being will be a sin sacrifice.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel
The entire Tanakh is about Israel.....
Israel is the suffering servant..

I opened a thread to teach that..you can look for it.

I am still waiting.

😂😂😂😂😂😂.
So Israel is the MESSIAH 🤦

If that is so then why are the Israelites themselves waiting for a messiah? 😂😂😂😂

Foolishness is indeed bliss!!!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂😂😂😂.
So Israel is the MESSIAH 🤦

No.. Isaiah 53 is not about the Messiah.

I have said this a thousand times .

It is about Israel..

And nobody is dying, resurrecting or ascending in Isaiah 53. Read it well

gohf:
you have not yet answered me, define what a human sacrifice is?

Like the one yahoo plus people do

Kill a human being for riches.... usually sacrificed to moloch. He was the only one that was accepting human sacrifice....
Not God...who created life itself.

gohf:
you should first apologize for lying and suggesting that there were no animal sacrifices needed

Ok. Amen sorry. The Jews were using animals as sacrifices....
Now show me where God ordered a human sacrifice for sin of the whole world

I am waiting.

gohf:
God's requirement from that 2 Chronicles 7

Then one night the LORD appeared to Solomon and said, "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this Temple as the place for making sacrifices. At times I might shut up the heavens so that no rain falls, or I might command locusts to devour your crops, or I might send plagues among you. Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their land. I will listen to every prayer made in this place, for I have chosen this Temple and set it apart to be my home forever. My eyes and my heart will always be here.



Look you don't need to lie against God, you can read it here that God mentioned the sacrifices before their prayers.

Ok, did Jesus qualify as a sin sacrifice.
Was he sacrificed in that temple.
Did Jesus ever give the job of sacrificing in his temple to the Romans?

Did God ever ask for a human sacrifice. That was my question.

I am waiting.

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that every man is God in flesh since God is in every man just like Jesus?



If God is omnipresent, explain this statement by you: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?

When someone tries to be wise but end up revealing his own stupidity 😂😂😂

Good luck with that, it seems even scientific phenomenons are greater than "JEHOVAH".

Fields Encapsulating objects, vast water bodies surrounding land, plasma and finally the concept called "energy".

The God of Jehovah witnesses is not transcendent!!! 😂😂😂.

Simple reasoning will show you the flaw in your analogy but I won't give you another reply because you are intellectually dishonest.

Until then if you quote me again, I won't answer you.

No wonder God leaves people to their delusions!!!

sonmvayina:
So your cult is evil...yes or No.?

First of all is there any evil anywhere?
Is everything not supposed be God's work according to you?

Gabrielshow24:
When someone tries to be wise but end up revealing his own stupidity 😂😂😂

Good luck with that, it seems even scientific phenomenons are greater than "JEHOVAH".

Fields Encapsulating objects, vast water bodies surrounding land, plasma and finally the concept called "energy".

The God of Jehovah witnesses is not transcendent!!! 😂😂😂.

Simple reasoning will show you the flaw in your analogy but I won't give you another reply because you are intellectually dishonest.

Until then if you quote me again, I won't answer you.

No wonder God leaves people to their delusions!!!

🤣🤣🤣🤣baba dey cry.....answer the questions below.

Are you saying that every man is God in flesh since God is in every man just like Jesus?



If God is omnipresent, explain this statement by you: "From basic school of thought, God is everywhere by substance but not necessary by presence".

Is God omnisubstance or Omnipresent?

sonmvayina:
I want you to tell me that you are advising God to accept a human being as a sacrifice...
I want to hear it from you..

you want me to tell you? Are you okay? No offense but is everything okay with you? 😟

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53 is about Israel...

Show me where God planned that he would be needing a human/God sacrifice in other to forgive sins..

I am waiting.

which Israel is Isaiah 53 about? If you can please sanely explain how it is about Israel..

sonmvayina:
You are deviating from your beliefs..

Was Jesus a human sacrifice for sin ? You said yes...
I asked you to tell me when God planned it from the Tanakh. I am waiting.
It should be simple to you...

what is my belief that I have told you, and how did that post deviate from it?

At least show you are capable of saying the truth before you speak from the Tanakh.

I should tell you when God planned it? Are you okay? I am observing God from the beginning of his existence or what? If you are asking where God spoke about Jesus dying

Here it is from the Tanakh

How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news(gospel), who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!"

See, my servant will prosper; he will be highly exalted. Many were amazed when they saw him--beaten and bloodied, so disfigured one would scarcely know he was a person. And he will again startle many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence. For they will see what they had not previously been told about; they will understand what they had not heard about. (Isa.52.7,13 - 15)



Isa.53

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? (NIV)

My servant grew up in the YHVH's presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him. He was despised and rejected--a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care.

Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed!

All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.

From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins--that he was suffering their punishment?

He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

But it was the LORD's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD's plan will prosper in his hands.

When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.

sonmvayina:
Like the one yahoo plus people do

Kill a human being for riches.... usually sacrificed to moloch. He was the only one that was accepting human sacrifice....
Not God...who created life itself.

so was Jesus killed in that way?

sonmvayina:
Ok. Amen sorry. The Jews were using animals as sacrifices....
Now show me where God ordered a human sacrifice for sin of the whole world

I am waiting.

based on your definition and understanding of what you have been asking, from which you wrote

"Like the one yahoo plus people do

Kill a human being for riches.... usually sacrificed to moloch. He was the only one that was accepting human sacrifice....
Not God...who created life itself."


God NEVER ordered such and Jesus never did such.

Nobody used Jesus for sacrifice, he offered himself to God and God accepted him as recorded in the scriptures.

sonmvayina:
Ok, did Jesus qualify as a sin sacrifice.
Was he sacrificed in that temple.
Did Jesus ever give the job of sacrificing in his temple to the Romans?

Did God ever ask for a human sacrifice. That was my question.

I am waiting.

like you defined your human sacrifice is when others lay a human upon an altar, kill them offering their death to their idols.

God never asked for such nor would he ever accept such.

You ask did Jesus qualify as a sin sacrifice? Do you know the requirements for a sin offering? Or what it was meant for? Do you think under the old testament murders could give an offering and they would be forgiven? If adulterers were caught, they were stoned.

Now do you want what sin atonement was for, as mentioned in Exodus 29. It was for purifying things and not the people, even the priests who partook of it, were to do it regularly.

Now I asked you what sin does a young bull commit? Or what is the offense of a Lamb?

Yet there's a blood more pure and precious than that, not offered by others but offered by the one who has it. Not offered to God for the blood of animals were never given to God so also the blood of Jesus was for our purification.

For no offering was given for such in the Torah, to purify a man from his sons. Or can you tell me of one?

You asked if Jesus was sacrificed in the temple? Was the passover lamb sacrificed in the temple? Are you not ignorant of what is actually written.

Jesus gave his own life, and said so himself. For what reason did they kill him, because he is the king of the Jews?

The Romans killed him because it is how it was prophecied and written
His bones were not broken because it was have it was prophecied and written.

If only you would wait on God and have him open your understanding to the scriptures, then maybe you won't ask another silly question that you can easily read from the Tanakh you claim to believe in

gohf:
like you defined your human sacrifice is when others lay a human upon an altar, kill them offering their death to their idols.

God never asked for such nor would he ever accept such.

You ask did Jesus qualify as a sin sacrifice? Do you know the requirements for a sin offering? Or what it was meant for? Do you think under the old testament murders could give an offering and they would be forgiven? If adulterers were caught, they were stoned.

Now do you want what sin atonement was for, as mentioned in Exodus 29. It was for purifying things and not the people, even the priests who partook of it, were to do it regularly.

Now I asked you what sin does a young bull commit? Or what is the offense of a Lamb?

Yet there's a blood more pure and precious than that, not offered by others but offered by the one who has it. Not offered to God for the blood of animals were never given to God so also the blood of Jesus was for our purification.

For no offering was given for such in the Torah, to purify a man from his sons. Or can you tell me of one?

You asked if Jesus was sacrificed in the temple? Was the passover lamb sacrificed in the temple? Are you not ignorant of what is actually written.

Jesus gave his own life, and said so himself. For what reason did they kill him, because he is the king of the Jews?

The Romans killed him because it is how it was prophecied and written
His bones were not broken because it was have it was prophecied and written.

If only you would wait on God and have him open your understanding to the scriptures, then maybe you won't ask another silly question that you can easily read from the Tanakh you claim to believe in

You have not showed me where God planned the Jesus idea in the Tanakh. All these are just your opinion.

gohf:
based on your definition and understanding of what you have been asking, from which you wrote

"Like the one yahoo plus people do

Kill a human being for riches.... usually sacrificed to moloch. He was the only one that was accepting human sacrifice....
Not God...who created life itself."


God NEVER ordered such and Jesus never did such.

Nobody used Jesus for sacrifice, he offered himself to God and God accepted him as recorded in the scriptures.

Ok..now we are getting somewhere...

God never ordered it

He just offered himself as a sacrifice and God accepted it. Somebody who yold you that human sacrifice is an abomination will accept it.
You are being deceived, and you don't know it..

gohf:
so was Jesus killed in that way?

So it wasn't a sacrifice then?
He was executed for blasphemy and possibly treason.

So how did somebody just woke and tell you he died for your sins and you believed

Why?

gohf:
what is my belief that I have told you, and how did that post deviate from it?

At least show you are capable of saying the truth before you speak from the Tanakh.

I should tell you when God planned it? Are you okay? I am observing God from the beginning of his existence or what? If you are asking where God spoke about Jesus dying

Here it is from the Tanakh

How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news(gospel), who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!"

See, my servant will prosper; he will be highly exalted. Many were amazed when they saw him--beaten and bloodied, so disfigured one would scarcely know he was a person. And he will again startle many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence. For they will see what they had not previously been told about; they will understand what they had not heard about. (Isa.52.7,13 - 15)



Isa.53

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? (NIV)

My servant grew up in the YHVH's presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him. He was despised and rejected--a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care.

Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed!

All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.

From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins--that he was suffering their punishment?

He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave.

But it was the LORD's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD's plan will prosper in his hands.

When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners.

So what did you make of this portion. Is it talking about Jesus.
Did the person die and have children too...

I have told you a thousand times, Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Israel is God's servant. Isaiah told you 8 times prior to chapter 53. See chapter 45:3-7

3 And I will give you treasures of darkness, and riches hidden in secret places, in order that you know that I am the Lord Who calls [you] by your name-the Holy One of Israel.
4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me.
6 In order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other.
7 Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.


See the verse I bolded, Isaiah would have thought you would have read chapter 45 before 53. You see who God says is his servant? Not somebody in the future. Read it in context and find out why Isaiah wrote it.