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achorladey:
Before your lies and manipulations filled religious organization you know as Jehovah’s organization came into existence +/- 150 years ago that so called global assignment had reach all the distance part of the earth.

Olódo!

Mention a global family of peace loving worshipers before Jehovah's Witnesses started! Isaiah 2:4; John 13:34-35; Act 1:8;

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever." ‭Daniel 12:1-3 NIV‬


If you like argue till tomorrow, this is what Daniel saw about Michael who will be raised among the Jews {Isaiah 9:6} he will gather people and teach them {Mark 4:2} he will raise many from the dead so they can have everlasting life, and due to his teachings the wise ones will shine throughout the earth! Matthew 5:14-16


Abeg whose voice will raise the dead?


The voice of the Archangel! 1Thessalonians 4:16 compare to John 5:28-29

Jehovah's Witnesses dey talk faithless people wants to argue!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus gave his faithful disciples a global assignment {Act 1:8} they have to go to all the earth in search of peace lovers {Luke 10:6} and TEACH them all the things he commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} so that they can form a global family of peace loving worshipers due to the teachings they got from Jesus.

Oya tell me the way any expert can take to make that work if they don't have the same line of thought?

He did not tell them to teach false doctrines so any organization teaching made up doctrines about Angel Michael is a false one.
And as I said earlier, having the same line of thought is useless if that thought is false.
You seem to be saying that because you guys have common beliefs, your falsehoods should not be questioned.
I can't buy into that.
I agree you have common beliefs (same line of thought) but it's not an immunity for calling you out when you can't defend your doctrine or when you teach the doctrines of men.

tctrills:
He did not tell them to teach false doctrines so any organization teaching made up doctrines about Angel Michael is a false one. And as I said earlier, having the same line of thought is useless if that thought is false. You seem to be saying that because you guys have common beliefs, your falsehoods should not be questioned. I can't buy into that.
I agree you have common beliefs (same line of thought) but it's not an immunity for calling you out when you can't defend your doctrine or when you teach the doctrines of men.

Ọmọ that's the same thing Pharisees said about Jesus' teachings they claimed he was a liar {Matthew 27:63} born through fornication {John 8:41} insane and demons possessed! John 10:20

What vindicated Jesus?

He was able to fulfill what God promised about the Christ right in their eyes! John 14:11

According to God's word the Messiah will gather people, teach them to form a global family of peace loving worshipers. Daniel 12:1-3 compare to Isaiah 9:6

Today Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling the prophecy foretold about God's people in the end time {Isaiah 2:2-4} so if you say they are lying why not present the organization that's teaching the truth {Matthew 28:20} and let's EXAMINE their WORKS? James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's the same thing Pharisees said about Jesus' teachings they claimed he was a liar {Matthew 27:63} born through fornication {John 8:41} insane and demons possessed! John 10:20

What vindicated Jesus?

He was able to fulfill what God promised about the Christ right in their eyes! John 14:11

According to God's word the Messiah will gather people, teach them to form a global family of peace loving worshipers. Daniel 12:1-3 compare to Isaiah 9:6

Today Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling the prophecy foretold about God's people in the end time {Isaiah 2:2-4} so if you say they are lying why not present the organization that's teaching the truth {Matthew 28:20} and let's EXAMINE their WORKS? James 2:18-26

So you first point is not relevant. Every religion believes that the others are not correct. You JWs say that Catholics are wrong. That someone called you a liar doesn't make you right.

Jesus Christ was not correct because the Pharisees claimed He was a liar. He was right notwithstanding.

Jw are not fulfilling any prophecy. You don't fulfill prophecy by making up doctrines and falsely identifying Jesus Christ.

Again, like you say, people shall know you by your works. So let's be the one to judge you by your works. You are the one judging yourself. Allow us to look at your works and compare them to those of the Savior.

If your works are all about false teachings then you cannot be a true organization.

MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

Mention a global family of peace loving worshipers before Jehovah's Witnesses started! Isaiah 2:4; John 13:34-35; Act 1:8;

It is your madness and insanities peddling brains that call your Jehovah's Witnesses a global family of peace loving worshipers and your Bible tells you before your Russell ancestors were born there was peace in congregation of God

Use your madness and insanities peddling brains reason that first then attempt the if part of the picture you attach to support the lies and manipulations about your concocted Jehovah’s organization.

tctrills:
So you first point is not relevant. Every religion believes that the others are not correct. You JWs say that Catholics are wrong. That someone called you a liar doesn't make you right.

Jesus Christ was not correct because the Pharisees claimed He was a liar. He was right notwithstanding.

Jw are not fulfilling any prophecy. You don't fulfill prophecy by making up doctrines and falsely identifying Jesus Christ.

Again, like you say, people shall know you by your works. So let's be the one to judge you by your works. You are the one judging yourself. Allow us to look at your works and compare them to those of the Savior.

If your works are all about false teachings then you cannot be a true organization.

He cannot allow you to examine and scrutinise their works because he knows the very standards they set to examine others they fail woefully.

tctrills:
If your works are all about false teachings then you cannot be a true organization.

Whether you call it true or false doctrine that's the one and only organization that fulfilled what God promised about His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4

MaxInDHouse:
Whether you call it true or false doctrine that's the one and only organization that fulfilled what God promised about His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4

You can't fulfill God's promises in falsehoods my brother. And you can't decide that you fulfilled Gods promises by misinterpreting His Words.
It's ok, if you think you fulfilled His promises even when you are wrong. Freedom of opinion.

achorladey:
He cannot allow you to examine and scrutinise their works because he knows the very standards they set to examine others they fail woefully.

He is not comfortable discussing the topic but he prefers to argue about fulfilling promises that can't be verified.

delkuf himself has made things easy for Jehovah's Witnesses!

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Out of all the religionists on this forum he could mention just one group that's visiting people in their homes just as Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 10:11-13} where are all the other religions claiming Christians?

[2]
They didn't just shout in buses or corners of the streets but engaged him in Bible discussions, of course they never preached Michael is Jesus to him he must have initiated the discussion thinking they don't have biblical backing.

[3]
Jehovah's Witnesses presented their belief with efficacy that delkuf have to rush back to Nairaland seeking support from whoever could help him to counter the competency of the Jehovah's Witnesses!

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Despite all the agitation of members of Christendom no church could prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong because from time immemorial Bible scholars are of the opinion that Jesus is the angel of God in the Bible! Exodus 14:19
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

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After everything this is delkuf's conclusion:

delkuf:
well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye

So he could only say "i disagree"

tctrills:
you can't decide that you fulfilled Gods promises by misinterpreting His Words.

Exactly what they told Jesus despite all his GOOD WORKS!

tctrills:
promises that can't be verified.

Isaiah 2:2-4

Only Jehovah's Witnesses formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the world!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what they told Jesus despite all his GOOD WORKS!

If you have to quote a movie star to sell your religion then it shows how weak such religion is. You don't quote a prophet, you don't qouted Jesus Christ but it's the logic of a movie star that best explains your religion?
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe if I find a bigger movie star to argue my points you will accept since this is all about what Hollywood thinks.

MaxInDHouse:
Isaiah 2:2-4

Only Jehovah's Witnesses formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers throughout the world!

As I said, you can't verify and here is why?
First how can you tell these are the days Isaiah was speaking of?
Secondly, it speaks of a day when Jesus Christ will judge among the nations. As of today, Jesus Christ isn't the Judge of the nations.
Thirdly, he wasn't even speaking about an organization.
So falsely interpretation of the bible isn't the same as fulfilling prophecy .
Fourthly it says, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Russia and Ukraine are still fighting. Nations are still lifting their guns against other nations so it was clearly not speaking of the same thing that you are talking about.

tctrills:
If you have to quote a movie star to sell your religion then it shows how weak such religion is. You don't quote a prophet, you don't qouted Jesus Christ but it's the logic of a movie star that best explains your religion?
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe if I find a bigger movie star to argue my points you will accept since this is all about what Hollywood thinks.

Please present a single actor, musician, pastor, prophet, politician, footballers, model, soldier, police officer or anyone from any works of life who has made such a profound statement about world peace!

tctrills:
As I said, you can't verify and here is why?
First how can you tell these are the days Isaiah was speaking of?
Secondly, it speaks of a day when Jesus Christ will judge among the nations. As of today, Jesus Christ isn't the Judge of the nations.
Thirdly, he wasn't even speaking about an organization.
So falsely interpretation of the bible isn't the same as fulfilling prophecy .
Fourthly it says, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Russia and Ukraine are still fighting. Nations are still lifting their guns against other nations so it was clearly not speaking of the same thing that you are talking about.

Cry cry baby!

God made a promise and a global family emerged fulfilling it by catching people in all the nations making them surrender their weapons willingly yet you say it's not God's doing!

Well Jesus said whoever speaks against him will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the evidence of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

If you are condemning the works of God's Holy Spirit that's affecting people from all the nations your case don get K-leg o!

tctrills:
Russia and Ukraine are still fighting. Nations are still lifting their guns against other nations so it was clearly not speaking of the same thing that you are talking about.

Is this not what that actor said?

If all those claiming Christians in Russia and Ukraine are Jehovah's Witnesses will there be war?

NO!

MaxInDHouse:
Is this not what that actor said?

If all those claiming Christians in Russia and Ukraine are Jehovah's Witnesses will there be war?

NO!

The bible did not say that Christians would not fight each other, it says nations would not fight each other. Since nations continue to fight, your interpretation of the prophecies are wrong.
On the actor, let's just say I doy depend on actors to understand the word of God and it's a pity if you do.

MaxInDHouse:
Cry cry baby!

God made a promise and a global family emerged fulfilling it by catching people in all the nations making them surrender their weapons willingly yet you say it's not God's doing!

Well Jesus said whoever speaks against him will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the evidence of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

If you are condemning the works of God's Holy Spirit that's affecting people from all the nations your case don get K-leg o!

So again you have failed to show how those promises had anything to do with you.
The bible speaks of a time when nations will no longer fight other nations and when Jesus Christ with judge the nations. You can't force the bible to refer to you. Faithful christians are waiting for the time spoken if by the prophet. They are not forcing weird interpretations that they can't defend.

Before Vladimir Putin begin his offensive attack on Ukraine the first step he took is to ban JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES calling us extremists.
WHY?
Because Jehovah's Witnesses keep going from house to house making Russians disciples of Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace who commanded his disciples to have love for their neighbors {Mark 12:31} and love among themselves! John 13:34-35
So how can it be easy for Putin to gather zombies who will go to Ukraine killing or getting killed if Jesus' teachings is spread all over Russia?
I remember why the Pharisees laughed their attack on Jesus, they said:

"If we let him go on this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation" John 11:48

Jesus' teachings to love neighbors {Mark 12:31} love and pray for enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and have intense love for fellow believers {John 13:34-35} should spread throughout Judea how are these religious politicians going to get zombies to fight against Rome?

Hence their concluded:

So from that day on they conspired to kill him. John 11:53

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free from false religions! John 8:32

tctrills:
The bible did not say that Christians would not fight each other, it says nations would not fight each other. Since nations continue to fight, your interpretation of the prophecies are wrong. On the actor, let's just say I doy depend on actors to u nderstand the word of God and it's a pity if you do.

So if Christians are fighting against their own fellow believers and killing them what happens to Jesus' command? John 13:34-35

Be careful what you will type o because people killing their fellow believers are spiritual descendants of Cain! John 8:44

tctrills:
If you have to quote a movie star to sell your religion then it shows how weak such religion is. You don't quote a prophet, you don't qouted Jesus Christ but it's the logic of a movie star that best explains your religion?
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe if I find a bigger movie star to argue my points you will accept since this is all about what Hollywood thinks.

A religious organization that will hang on lies and manipulations just to look good in the eyes of others or advance their self righteousness.

How many times have you seen Janosky and these ones hang on to the words of trinitarians to advance their agenda and at the same time say trinitarians are false Christians.


The delusions in that concocted Jehovah's organization didn't start today

tctrills:
So again you have failed to show how those promises had anything to do with you. The bible speaks of a time when nations will no longer fight other nations and when Jesus Christ with judge the nations. You can't force the bible to refer to you. Faithful christians are waiting for the time spoken if by the prophet. They are not forcing weird interpretations that they can't defend.

"In the final part of the days" Isaiah 2:2

That's what God's word says.

Please final part of which days?
Good times or towards the end of badness?

MaxInDHouse:
So if Christians are fighting against their own fellow believers and killing them what happens to Jesus' command? John 13:34-35

Be careful what you will type o because people killing their fellow believers are spiritual descendants of Cain! John 8:44

Spare us your usual lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains. Those you call Jehovah's Witnesses kill fellow Jehovah's Witnesses in the Bible and in your concocted Jehovah's organization today they still do so and no one calls them descendants of Cain

MaxInDHouse:
Whether you call it true or false doctrine that's the one and only organization that fulfilled what God promised about His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4

The madness and insanities peddling comes full circle. Your sins, lies, falsehood and manipulations can amass to the high heavens it doesn't matter as long as you are a member of the concocted Jehovah's organization you are true Christians

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what they told Jesus despite all his GOOD WORKS!

Jesus didn't misinterpret God's words, the lies and manipulations packed into your brains keep piling up

MaxInDHouse:
Please present a single actor, musician, pastor, prophet, politician, footballers, model, soldier, police officer or anyone from any works of life who has made such a profound statement about world peace!

If

Based on speculation and assumptions that reality says are lies and manipulations

tctrills:
The bible did not say that Christians would not fight each other, it says nations would not fight each other. Since nations continue to fight, your interpretation of the prophecies are wrong.
On the actor, let's just say I doy depend on actors to understand the word of God and it's a pity if you do.

And the actor started with if

MaxInDHouse:
Before Vladimir Putin begin his offensive attack on Ukraine the first step he took is to ban JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES calling us extremists.
WHY?
Because Jehovah's Witnesses keep going from house to house making Russians disciples of Jesus Christ the Prince of Peace who commanded his disciples to have love for their neighbors {Mark 12:31} and love among themselves! John 13:34-35
So how can it be easy for Putin to gather zombies who will go to Ukraine killing or getting killed if Jesus' teachings is spread all over Russia?
I remember why the Pharisees laughed their attack on Jesus, they said:

"If we let him go on this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation" John 11:48

Jesus' teachings to love neighbors {Mark 12:31} love and pray for enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and have intense love for fellow believers {John 13:34-35} should spread throughout Judea how are these religious politicians going to get zombies to fight against Rome?

Hence their concluded:

So from that day on they conspired to kill him. John 11:53

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free from false religions! John 8:32

Referencing lies and manipulations to support his madness and insanities peddling brains.


I know your religious organization supports SELF DEFENSE . Russians and Ukraine are in the business of SELF DEFENSE. You cannot argue against that.

MaxInDHouse:
"In the final part of the days" Isaiah 2:2

That's what God's word says.

Please final part of which days?
Good times or towards the end of badness?

I don't understand your point here please explain sir. It says in the last days. Are you saying that these are the last days?
Now even if these are the last days, it says other things. It speaks about a time nations will no longer be at war definitely not now.

achorladey:
A religious organization that will hang on lies and manipulations just to look good in the eyes of others or advance their self righteousness.

How many times have you seen Janosky and these ones hang on to the words of trinitarians to advance their agenda and at the same time say trinitarians are false Christians.


The delusions in that concocted Jehovah's organization didn't start today

The guy always traps himself. Thanks to his inferior beliefs