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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by delkuf(op): 8:45am On Feb 19, 2025
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=134203008][/quote]guy stop tagging me now. I told you, I don't believe that the my Lord Jesus Christ is an angel. So pls don't tag me in this anymore
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:46am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Your entire answer here makes no sense. Is Jesus Christ coming to judge the nations or not? When he comes, will he end wars between the nations or not? Isaiah 2.2-4

Is Christ judging the nations today? No
Is there war between nations today? Yes.
Was Isaiah 2.2-4 talking about today? No. It was talking about a future time. QED
Continue deceiving yourself!

Jesus is already around since the year 1914 and he's the one who called us out of the world empire of false religion {Revelations 18:4} angels are working with us in gathering sheeplike one storehouse while people according to their mindsets are choosing the religion of their choice! Matthew 13:30
So Jesus is not coming to end wars but destroy all those who believe in using weapons to settle matters! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 8:50am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Jesus is already around since the year 1914 and he's the one who called us out of the world empire of false religion {Revelations 18:4} angels are working with us in gathering sheeplike one storehouse while people according to their mindsets are choosing the religion of their choice! Matthew 13:30
So Jesus is not coming to end wars but destroy all those who believe in using weapons to settle matters! smiley
Rubbish. Jesus is not already around. Read your Bible.
Acts 1.11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Also read Zechariah 14:4
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:57am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Zechariah 14:16 – "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
If you're not deceiving yourself from where do you think people came to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost?
What about the Ethiopian eunuch? 2Kings 19:9 compare to Act 8:27

My guy that has been FULFILLED!

For your information all the nations who were waging war against Jerusalem in the past are the same places where these people decided to come and worship the same God their ancestors fought against in the same city they wanted to destroy: Jerusalem! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:59am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Revelations 20
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
This is a parable because according to God's word death is the final punishment for sin! Romans 6:7, 23 smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:01am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Please explain your question
No need to explain.

God will judge based on what is written in His words so if you don't believe what is happening now despite seeing people from different countries around the world joining God's organization to work with the Holy Ones you have been judged already! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:02am On Feb 19, 2025
delkuf:
guy stop tagging me now. I told you, I don't believe that the my Lord Jesus Christ is an angel. So pls don't tag me in this anymore
Guy i will tag and tag and tag and tag you a million times unless you change the topic and remove the name Jehovah's Witnesses! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Rubbish. Jesus is not already around. Read your Bible.
Acts 1.11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Also read Zechariah 14:4
In what manner did Jesus ascend to heaven?

Guy he ascended in a none ceremonial manner so only his disciples knew about his departure and they are the same people who spread the Good News to whoever is willing to accept it just as only Jehovah's Witnesses knew he returned in the year 1914 and telling people who are willing to accept it! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:09am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
You are confused. The argument here is if the prophecies of Isaiah 2.2-4 have come to pass.

According to your church publication. It will be a time when there will be no more war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.

So oga, has that time come yet?
Olódo!

Who taught you that? cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:16am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

Who taught you that? cheesy
Let me qoute your publication word for word

Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 24:14; Revelation 7:9-15.... God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.

I am sure you don't agree
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:17am On Feb 19, 2025
delkuf himself has made things easy for Jehovah's Witnesses!

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Out of all the religionists on this forum he could mention just one group that's visiting people in their homes just as Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 10:11-13} where are all the other religions claiming Christians?

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They didn't just shout in buses or corners of the streets but engaged him in Bible discussions, of course they never preached Michael is Jesus to him he must have initiated the discussion thinking they don't have biblical backing.

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Jehovah's Witnesses presented their belief with efficacy that delkuf have to rush back to Nairaland seeking support from whoever could help him to counter the competency of the Jehovah's Witnesses!

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Despite all the agitation of members of Christendom no church could prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong because from time immemorial Bible scholars are of the opinion that Jesus is the angel of God in the Bible! Exodus 14:19
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus

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After everything this is delkuf's conclusion:
delkuf:
well so if those school of thought concluded that the Lord Jesus Christ is a angel, good for you. I don't go down that lane. So that settles it. Bye
So he could only say "i disagree"
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:18am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
In what manner did Jesus ascend to heaven?

Guy he ascended in a none ceremonial manner so only his disciples knew about his departure and they are the same people who spread the Good News to whoever is willing to accept it just as only Jehovah's Witnesses knew he returned in the year 1914 and telling people who are willing to accept it! smiley
He ascended in a ceremonial manner and when he returns he will be seen in the skies and will stand on a mont. It's all in your Bible but you no dey read.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:20am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Let me qoute your publication word for word
Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 24:14; Revelation 7:9-15.... God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death.
I am sure you don't agree
Olódo!

Instead of asking us to TEACH you!

The publication is saying

"These are the signs of the end so all evildoers will soon be gone" smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:20am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
No need to explain.

God will judge based on what is written in His words so if you don't believe what is happening now despite seeing people from different countries around the world joining God's organization to work with the Holy Ones you have been judged already! wink
You are still not making any sense. What point are you trying to make here sir.
When did this Judgement you are speaking about begin?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:20am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This is a parable because according to God's word death is the final punishment for sin! Romans 6:7, 23 smiley
You don't even know the meaning of a parable. Consult your dictionary and then we can talk.

Again, how do you know that your interpretation of Romans 6:7, 23 is not the parable here. grin grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:22am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
He ascended in a ceremonial manner and when he returns he will be seen in the skies and will stand on a mont. It's all in your Bible but you no dey read.
Olódo! cheesy

Do you know what "CEREMONIAL" means?

Well i will teach you.

It means both his friends, enemies and spectators will PHYSICALLY witness the event just as everyone knows about a ceremony! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:23am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Olódo!

Instead of asking us to TEACH you!

The publication is saying

"These are the signs of the end so all evildoers will soon be gone" smiley
No it doesn't say so let me snap and send.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:27am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If you're not deceiving yourself from where do you think people came to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost?
What about the Ethiopian eunuch? 2Kings 19:9 compare to Act 8:27

My guy that has been FULFILLED!

For your information all the nations who were waging war against Jerusalem in the past are the same places where these people decided to come and worship the same God their ancestors fought against in the same city they wanted to destroy: Jerusalem! smiley
You say that the promise has been fulfilled that God is judging all nations from Jerusalem because the of pentecost and the eunuch.
So to JW all nations are being judged from Jerusalem. This people are incredible.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:28am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
You are still not making any sense. What point are you trying to make here sir.
When did this Judgement you are speaking about begin?
When did Jesus first walk the earth?

Guy, whoever speaks against the WORKS of God's Holy Spirit through Jesus' ministry has already as in ALREADY been judged! Matthew 12:31-32 compare to John 3:17-19 wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:28am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Olódo! cheesy

Do you know what "CEREMONIAL" means?

Well i will teach you.

It means both his friends, enemies and spectators will PHYSICALLY witness the event just as everyone knows about a ceremony! wink
Oga, you should read a dictionary. Ceremony has nothing to do with friends and enemies. You went to school na.
So a naming ceremony, you gather both friends and enemies of your baby?
Even to a fool, this makes no sense.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:31am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
No it doesn't say so let me snap and send.
Will soon show that destruction of evildoers will come after Jesus declared judgment against those who refused to accept the peacemaking work the friends of peace are doing globally! Luke 19:27

Ask Jehovah's Witnesses to explain to you! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:31am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
When did Jesus first walk the earth?

Guy, whoever speaks against the WORKS of God's Holy Spirit through Jesus' ministry has already as in ALREADY been judged! Matthew 12:31-32 compare to John 3:17-19 wink
Now you have shot yourself in the foot.
Are you saying that Isaiah 2.2-4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked the earth? Is that your last days too?
You claim the JW fulfilled the prophecies and at the same time, the prophecies were fulfilled when Christ walked the earth. Loool
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:33am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
You say that the promise has been fulfilled that God is judging all nations from Jerusalem because the of pentecost and the eunuch.
So to JW all nations are being judged from Jerusalem. This people are incredible.
Whatever you think is not my cup of tea so make yourself clear! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:33am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Will soon show that destruction of evildoers will come after Jesus declared judgment against those who refused to accept the peacemaking work the friends of peace are doing globally! Luke 19:27

Ask Jehovah's Witnesses to explain to you! wink
I already asked and I snapped and sent you the result.
The JW quote Isaiah 2.2-4 to teach that God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death
Here it is again.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:35am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you think is not my cup of tea so make yourself clear! wink
Lol, you claim so many things my guy.
You claim that the prophecies of Isaiah are
1. For the last days
2. When Jesus walked the earth
3. Fulfilled through the pentecost and the eunuch
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:36am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Oga, you should read a dictionary. Ceremony has nothing to do with friends and enemies. You went to school na.
So a naming ceremony, you gather both friends and enemies of your baby?
Even to a fool, this makes no sense.
Guy people only invite friends and we'll wishers to their ceremony but they don't do it in secret because ceremonies are noticeable by everyone.

So apart from Jesus' disciples who else witnessed Jesus' ascension to heaven? smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:37am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Now you have shot yourself in the foot.
Are you saying that Isaiah 2.2-4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked the earth? Is that your last days too?
You claim the JW fulfilled the prophecies and at the same time, the prophecies were fulfilled when Christ walked the earth. Loool
Where is JUDGMENT written in Isaiah 2:2-4?

Ọmọ read it again! cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:38am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Guy people only invite friends and we'll wishers to their ceremony but they don't do it in secret because ceremonies are noticeable by everyone.

So apart from Jesus' disciples who else witnessed Jesus' ascension to heaven? smiley
I know ceremonies that had less then 70 people. Do you know how many people witnessed Jesus Christ's own?
Again I know people who married in secret. Was their ceremony null and void?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:39am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
I already asked and I snapped and sent you the result.
The JW quote Isaiah 2.2-4 to teach that God’s Kingdom will soon solve the problems that the 20th century has only intensified: war, poverty, sickness, injustice, hatred, intolerance, unemployment, crime, unhappiness, death
Here it is again.
This is how you people often misquote God's people! cheesy

Will soon simply means we have fulfilled this prophecy so we are living in the end time! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:39am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Where is JUDGMENT written in Isaiah 2:2-4?

Ọmọ read it again! cheesy
JW that doesn't know his bible.
Verse 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:40am On Feb 19, 2025
tctrills:
Lol, you claim so many things my guy.
You claim that the prophecies of Isaiah are
1. For the last days
2. When Jesus walked the earth
3. Fulfilled through the pentecost and the eunuch
Whatever you think my guy you're not the only one reading! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 9:40am On Feb 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This is how you people often misquote God's people! cheesy

Will soon simply means we have fulfilled this prophecy so we are living in the end time! smiley
I snapped so not to misquote. I did not even quote, I sent you your teaching word for word.
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