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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 11:25am On Feb 23, 2025

tctrills:
You started by saying I am wrong then you went on to quote verses that has nothing to do with the topic.
I guess you mistook me for another person.
Let me take you back to our discussion.
I told you that the bible never called Jesus Christ an angel of God. And I was hoping you will present one verse where it did instead you showed me a verse where David was Blessing God and his angels.
That is cheap nah.
Now return back to the discussion bro.

Have you seen why I said they have nothing to offer but conflations (false equivocations)? 😂😂😂

You say A they say B then somehow using illogical mental gymnastics they conclude A is B.

When you challenge them on their methods of reasoning or use the self same reasoning on their premises; they change the subject or blatantly start asking you for your church!!!

A sensible person points to the inherent logical coherence of the truth by letting the word fight for itself but these fools point to population!!!

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 11:34am On Feb 23, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Illustration!

A Nigerian science student said Chinese science institutions are teaching rubbish so he began quoting science textbooks and speaking big big grammar but one of the students in the science institution from China ask him to present just one science institution in Nigeria and what they have PRODUCED to see the level of their advancement in science and technology.

No student from Nigeria could present a single institution because they know that when it comes to achievements in science and technology they have nothing to show for all their institutions beside what China has been producing and selling throughout the world!

That's Jehovah's Witnesses compared to all your churches in Christendom!

This analogy is awfully fallacious!!!
This is appeal to hypocrisy!!!

Whether or not china has more practical technological innovations or not doesn't change the fact that their "fictional" teaching standard is subpar!!!

It's like saying because "America (before Trump) supported gayism or wokeness and they were awfully rich and well advanced than us, made LGBTQIA+ inherently true!!! "

This is indeed the logic of JW!!!

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 11:58am On Feb 23, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
Have you seen why I said they have nothing to offer but conflations (false equivocations)? 😂😂😂

You say A they say B then somehow using illogical mental gymnastics they conclude A is B.

When you challenge them on their methods of reasoning or use the self same reasoning on their premises; they change the subject or blatantly start asking you for your church!!!

A sensible person points to the inherent logical coherence of the truth by letting the word fight for itself but these fools point to population!!!

They are not foolish, it's a tactics and these thugs have perfected the act.

But what can one do?

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 12:05pm On Feb 23, 2025

MaxInDHouse:
Illustration!

A Nigerian science student said Chinese science institutions are teaching rubbish so he began quoting science textbooks and speaking big big grammar but one of the students in the science institution from China ask him to present just one science institution in Nigeria and what they have PRODUCED to see the level of their advancement in science and technology.

No student from Nigeria could present a single institution because they know that when it comes to achievements in science and technology they have nothing to show for all their institutions beside what China has been producing and selling throughout the world!

That's Jehovah's Witnesses compared to all your churches in Christendom!

For a better illustration.

A Nigerian science teacher says Chinese science teachers are teaching rubbish, and an argument begins.

How would it be settled? It will not be settled even if the Nigerian teacher begins to mention all the great science institutes in the country.
It will only be settled when they all go back to the agreed laws of science.

If the Nigerian teacher mentions top science schools, the Chinese teacher can equally say they are are teaching nonsense.

But if the Nigerian teacher talks about the laws that both agree to be scientific, gravity, motion, theories like relativity and evolution, then the debate can make sense. Then he will be able to point out how the Chinese have diverted.

Boasting about top Nigerian science institutes will be both foolish and unprofitable.

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:10pm On Feb 23, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
Have you seen why I said they have nothing to offer but conflations (false equivocations)? 😂😂😂

You say A they say B then somehow using illogical mental gymnastics they conclude A is B.

When you challenge them on their methods of reasoning or use the self same reasoning on their premises; they change the subject or blatantly start asking you for your church!!!

A sensible person points to the inherent logical coherence of the truth by letting the word fight for itself but these fools point to population!!!

See faithless miscreant deceiving themselves,Gab &Tct.

Romans 15:4
"For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us,"
John 14:24
"Whoever does not love me, does not observe my words.
The word that you are hearing is not mine,it is the words of the Father who sent me".
Romans 15:4 is teaching you jesus Christ is an angel of Psalms 103:20 & John 14:24performing Yahweh's word.

MUMU dey challenge the authority of Psalms 103:20 & John 14:24 , Jesus Christ is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:12pm On Feb 23, 2025

tctrills:
They are not foolish, it's a tactics and these thugs have perfected the act.

But what can one do?

Psalms 103:20 John 14:24, open your heart and receive Jesus the angel of Yahweh speaking his Father's words

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by tctrills: 12:21pm On Feb 23, 2025

Janosky:
Psalms 103:20 John 14:24, open your heart and receive Jesus the angel of Yahweh speaking his Father's words

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Ok let me open my heart to see it any of these verses talk about Jesus Christ being an angel
Infact, let me humble myself and paste the verses here.
Psalm 103:20

20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

This verse talks about the Lord and his angels.
Or better, Jesus Christ and his angels. It did not call him an angel. Neither did it state that anymore that obeys Him is an angel.

John 14:24
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This verse also has nothing to do with angels
He says if you love him, you keep his commands and he testified that the Father sent him, just as the Father sent Jeremiah and John the Baptist, it doesn't make them angels.

So please tell me what I missed out and don't divert please

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 12:22pm On Feb 23, 2025

Janosky:
See faithless miscreant deceiving themselves,Gab &Tct.

Romans 15:4
"For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us,"
John 14:24
"Whoever does not love me, does not observe my words.
The word that you are hearing is not mine,it is the words of the Father who sent me".
Romans 15:4 is teaching you jesus Christ is an angel of Psalms 103:20 & John 14:24performing Yahweh's word.

MUMU dey challenge the authority of Psalms 103:20 & John 14:24 , Jesus Christ is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice.
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If it's true Jesus is an angel then tell us what category of Angels he belongs to?

Perhaps he is a cherubim?
Or a seraphim?

But if he is not part of a category!!!
Then you allude to nothing more but the literal interpretation of the word: "messenger"

Apart from that, you have said nothing but lies!!!

And even that is very vague "because I could as well ascribe the lowest possible argument that Balaam's donkey was a messenger that saved his soul!!!"

And you see you run into problems on how to properly define messenger, but seeing we have been down this same road before, your previous claim was "heavenly or divine messenger".

And we all know the slippery slope that leads to.

Irrespective you have nothing but false equivocations to offer!!!

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 12:45pm On Feb 23, 2025

Here is Janosky's definition of an Angel😊

Janosky:

Stop deceiving yourself and showcase your ignorance..

An angel is any Minister (human or spirit being) sent by Yahweh to perform an assignment.
Psalms 103:20&John 3:16 is the assignment Yahweh sent Jesus Christ to perform.
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees knows this truth.

LYING church goers deceiving themselves.

So you can see how everything/everyone fits/can be made to fit this definition!!!

All humans theoretically are angels, same for all spirits.

And by induction and extrapolation, all members of creation including birds, insects, donkeys, whatnots and extraterrestrials are all angels🤤.

Hence theoretically, only God is not an angel!!!

The question in no wise answers the question of identity!!!

Also Can God send himself on an errand?
Or willfully do something he intends to do?

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 9:53pm On Feb 23, 2025*

Janosky:
Psalms 103:20 John 14:24, open your heart and receive Jesus the angel of Yahweh speaking his Father's words

ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost fraud jw janosky
neither psalm 103:20 or john 14:24 says; "Jesus is the angel of Yahweh"

you false jw's love to pervert Yahweh's word:
Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.
Isa_32:6 For a fool speaks nonsense

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:25pm On Feb 23, 2025

Gabrielshow24:
Here is Janosky's definition of an Angel😊

So you can see how everything/everyone fits/can be made to fit this definition!!!

All humans theoretically are angels, same for all spirits.

And by induction and extrapolation, all members of creation including birds, insects, donkeys, whatnots and extraterrestrials are all angels🤤.

Hence theoretically, only God is not an angel!!!

The question in no wise answers the question of identity!!!

Also Can God send himself on an errand?
Or willfully do something he intends to do?

Janosky definition of angel,
Psalms 103:20
Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!
Emphasis:
Perform Yahweh's word.
Obeying Yahweh's voice.

Gabrielshow24 definition of angel:
"All humans theoretically are angels, same for all spirits.

And by induction and extrapolation, all members of creation including birds, insects, donkeys, whatnots and extraterrestrials are all angels"🤤
Oga, you are desperate to mock the holy scriptures.
Pseudo christian forming woke,just continue deceiving yourself.

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:29pm On Feb 23, 2025

johnw47:
ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost fraud jw janosky
neither psalm 103:20 or john 14:24 says; "Jesus s the angel of Yahweh"

you false jw's love to pervert Yahweh's word:
Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.
Isa_32:6 For a fool speaks nonsense

. LYING John double WAILING dunce in sifia pains.
What is wrong with these empty disillusioned churchgoers!

grin

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 11:40pm On Feb 23, 2025

Janosky:

Janosky definition of angel,
Psalms 103:20
Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!
Emphasis:
Perform Yahweh's word.
Obeying Yahweh's voice.

Gabrielshow24 definition of angel:
"All humans theoretically are angels, same for all spirits.

And by induction and extrapolation, all members of creation including birds, insects, donkeys, whatnots and extraterrestrials are all angels"🤤
Oga, you are desperate to mock the holy scriptures.
Pseudo christian forming woke,just continue deceiving yourself.

Your foolishness is uncanny.
Are those not your words🤔?

Or don't you believe God can send anyone/spirit on an errand? 🤨

That's why it's good to think before positing👀.
It saves one - ehad - from such embarrassments🙃.

Lack of forethought on display🧐.

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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 5:12am On Feb 24, 2025

Janosky:
LYING John double WAILING dunce in sifia pains.
What is wrong with these empty disillusioned churchgoers!

ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

truly lost fraud jw janosky, neither psalm 103: 20 or john 14:24 say Jesus is the angel of Yahweh
but you of course can only reply with lies and false accusation:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 8:43am On Feb 24, 2025

Janosky:
LYING John double WAILING dunce in sifia pains.
What is wrong with these empty disillusioned churchgoers!

ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost fraud jw janosky

you know i am non denominational, but you people are compelled to lie time after time after time after time
just like your father the devil, aren't you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 9:37am On Feb 27, 2025

Janosky:

Janosky definition of angel,
Psalms 103:20
Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!
Emphasis:
Perform Yahweh's word.
Obeying Yahweh's voice.

Gabrielshow24 definition of angel:
"All humans theoretically are angels, same for all spirits.

And by induction and extrapolation, all members of creation including birds, insects, donkeys, whatnots and extraterrestrials are all angels"🤤
Oga, you are desperate to mock the holy scriptures.
Pseudo christian forming woke,just continue deceiving yourself.

Come and answer my question.
There are numerous ones you haven't answered but I will make it easy for you, knowing how dumb you are:

Is God the Father, a messenger of himself, if he wills to do something by himself? 🤨

Or can he motivate/resolve to send himself on a message/errand?
Or is he a messenger of his own spirit 👀?
Or perhaps he doesn't have the ability to do things of his own will? 🤧

After all he is a localized point in the universe 👀 and not transcendental 🤕.

Think wisely and assess the implications of your posits🙃

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by TV01(m): 2:59pm On Feb 27, 2025

Perhaps touching on mediatorship as outlined in the scriptures would help settle this and other questions around the divinity of The Lord Jesus Christ. Scripturally, a mediator has to be able to literally “lay hold” on both parties to the arbitration.

Job 9 32 For He is not a man, as I am, That I may answer Him, And that we should go to court together. 33 Nor is there any mediator between us, Who may lay his hand on us both.

Hallelujah, but there is and He cometh, indeed, He has come and will come again.

Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

One reason that Jesus has to be divine, that he has to be God, is due to the role and requirements of the mediator between God and man. Having the form of both, The Lord Jesus can fulfil that role.

As for the angels that sinned, there was no mediator – Hebrews 2 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews chapters 1 &2 clearly show that Jesus is God, He is enthroned, He is a son and has a sons “inheritance”, He created all things, He is better than the angels, the angels worship Him, He was made a little lower than the angels (humans being) for the tasting of death (for everyone – all humans, most especially for those who believe), He is the Captain of our salvation and our Merciful & Faithful High Priest.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not and could not be an angel. He is a son, God incarnate.
Happy to hear alternative views and this is not to make the whole of the argument. I may be late and this case ay already have been made.

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