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cornelboy:
My post is just a comparison between both Jesus and Joseph. That's all

When i said "Jesus is not God", I meant is Jesus is not the Father, he's not the same person as the father. Only the Father is the one God.

You should have titled your post correctly.
Yes Jesus Christ has a Father and he is God. But please explain the concept of the one God?
Explain how Jesus Christ is God, he is one with the Father but he is not the one God.

Again not that the bible calls him the everlasting Father.

cornelboy:
Oh it's you lol

Let's start with this, I'm a jehovah witness, what's your religion?

Guy I only answered your question. You created the thread so let me ask you, is this a thread for Jehovah witnesses or people of all beliefs.
If it's only for your people, then I will not disturb but if it's for all, expect to read my contribution and debunking.
You are free not to respond but allow me to use your thread to save people from your misinformation.

Lastly, I feel highly flattered to know that one of the biggest Churches in town has an anti free speech target on my back. I must be doing something right.

tctrills:
You should have titled your post correctly.
Yes Jesus Christ has a Father and he is God. But please explain the concept of the one God?
Explain how Jesus Christ is God, he is one with the Father but he is not the one God.

Again not that the bible calls him the everlasting Father.

I'm okay with the title

Explain how a man and a woman become one when they got married, yet they are two different person? Matt 19:5

Jesus is a God (he's divine and all) of course and he is one with the father just like a man is one with his wife (read John 17, see how jesus prayed that his disciples should be one just like he's one with the Father.), but not same person with Father obviously

tctrills:
Guy I only answered your question. You created the thread so let me ask you, is this a thread for Jehovah witnesses or people of all beliefs.
If it's only for your people, then I will not disturb but if it's for all, expect to read my contribution and debunking.
You are free not to respond but allow me to use your thread to save people from your misinformation.

Lastly, I feel highly flattered to know that one of the biggest Churches in town has an anti free speech target on my back. I must be doing something right.

Lol chill
I already responded. Why are you triggered lol

All you have been doing is trying to picture the bible as inconsistent and contradicting, you don't even believe in the Bible

A don de engage you for talk no be today.

cornelboy:
Lol chill
I already responded. Why are you triggered lol

Yea I read your response. I am actually excited that an entire organization has a special manual for me. It's an honor. As I said, I must be doing something right my brother.

tctrills:
Yea I read your response. I am actually excited that an entire organization has a special manual for me. It's an honor. As I said, I must be doing something right my brother.

Lol I'm happy for you hahaha

cornelboy:
I'm okay with the title

Explain how a man and a woman become one when they got married, yet they are two different person? Matt 19:5

Jesus is a God (he's divine and all) of course and he is one with the father just like a man is one with his wife (read John 17, see how jesus prayed that his disciples should be one just like he's one with the Father.), but not same person with Father obviously

Jesus Christ did not marry his father so it's not the same or even close.

Now you have stated that Jesus Christ is a God but yet you say he is not God.

Let's talk about his disciples for a minute. Does Jesus Christ want his disciples to be like him and his Father? And in what ways?
Let's examine one verse.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So yes, he will share his Throne (his dominion and Power) with them. They will truly be one with him just as he is one with the Father and shares the Throne with his Father. Everything the Father has will be given to them.

They also acquire the Godly nature.
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Do you see that it is much deeper than the husband and wife example?
The faithful are given all things pertain unto life and godliness, If everything pertaining to godliness is given to you, and you receive the godly nature, what does that make you sir.

cornelboy:
Lol I'm happy for you hahaha

My guy you don't know how excited you've made me.

immaculatesense:
Sir, I respect your view and I have the same view too. But let me help you to create a balance. Your view is correct but not complete. Let me answer or rephrase your thoughts one after another.
1. Is Jesus same as God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus same as the Father? The answer is NO. I will clarify this in my last paragraph.
2. Is Jesus equal to God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus equal to the Father? The answer is NO. He was only equal 'with' not 'to' the Father. I will also clarify this in my last paragraph.
3. Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural? The answer is YES. But has the Trinity doctrine been rightly taught the way the scriptures viewed it by most denomination? The answer is NO.

. 1. No, not the same being.
2. No, because nobody is equal with the Father.
Father meaning 'Senior'.
Ephesians 4:6, God the Father is the SENIOR of all beings.
3. No, Trinity NOT scriptural.
Many Trinitarians won't ever agree with your claim or your espoused belief about the doctrine.

immaculatesense:
MY LAST PARAGRAPH
The word 'god'-'elohim' (note that there is not capital letters in Hebrew and Greek) is a plural word that is used for anyone divine or special. Angels were known as 'god' in the biblical period. Study the story of Jacob wrestling with god (angel) Genesis 32:30. Remember Manoah and his wife saw an angel and the said they saw 'god'- Judges 13:22. There are numerous examples of angels been regarded as God all across the scriptures but those two examples are clear enough for that.
Men were also called god. Remember that even the Father through his angel called Moses god (elohim) unto pharaoh and Aaron his prophet- Exodus 7:1. Abraham was called 'god' (elohim) by the Canaanites, even though some versions changed it to 'mighty' and some 'prince' but the original Hebrew word was 'elohim.'- Genesis 23:6. In Psalms the writer clearly stated that 'elohim sits on his throne in the heavenly court and judges among the elohim- Psalm 82:1.
Jesus is god (elohim-) because he is divine/deity but he is not the Father- the one and only god who alone is above all. Jesus is below him but superior to all other god.
In the true Bible teaching of the Trinity, just like the word Bible is not in the scriptures, the word Trinity is not in the scriptures but the Father who alone is supreme and above all sent his son Jesus on a salvation mission (John 3:16-18) and after fulfilling the mission the Father through Jesus sent the holy spirit to guide and lead men into all truth (John 16:13-15)..

True, indeed.

immaculatesense:
These three, united in purpose but distinct in authority as the Father is above the son and the son is above the spirit play their roles in the salvation of mankind.

This is how the Trinity should be taught and not to make the three equal in authority as that is not true, but they are one and united in purpose.
.

Other Trinitarians won't accept your views about the Trinity doctrine.
Your explanation contradicts the Nicene Creed, the standard format of the doctrine.

immaculatesense:
Jesus is not equal to the Father. That should not even be a debate at all. Jesus himself declared severally that "My Father is greater than I am." And severally he always makes it known that he is subject to the Father's will and that the Father is his God- John 20:17. The son came from the Father but the Father came from no one. The son is god (deity/divine/worthy of worship) but the Father is God over all (deity/divine/worthy of worship).
Thanks you so much. I hope you will just include this in your view which is correct but not complete. Peace.

Yes.

Janosky:
. 1. No, not the same being.
2. No, because nobody is equal with the Father.
Father meaning 'Senior'.
Ephesians 4:6, God the Father is the SENIOR of all beings.
3. No, Trinity NOT scriptural.
Many Trinitarians won't ever agree with your claim or your espoused belief about the doctrine.



True, indeed.

Other Trinitarians won't accept your views about the Trinity doctrine.
Your explanation contradicts the Nicene Creed, the standard format of the doctrine.

Yes.

Yes, Jesus Christ has a Father. But is he's also a Father. He is the everlasting Father.
Who are his Children?
Jesus Christ and his Father are not in competition. It was the Father that freely gave him all power and authority.
This also teaches us that Jesus Christ is Almighty.
Now most people don't know the meaning of Almighty.
It means having complete power; omnipotent.
Matthew 28.18
Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

So we see that Jesus Christ is also Almighty According to the scriptures.

This clearly shows that he and his Father are one, sharing the same power, throne and authority.

tctrills:
My guy you don't know how excited you've made me.

Enjoy

immaculatesense:
Sir, how do you serve the Father and do away with Jesus in worship? I don't understand. How do you worship the father if not through his son?

By practicing all the things Jesus taught us in the name of his God/father who is our God/father {John 17:6,26; 20:17} that is what God said all faithful people need to do! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Philippians 2:6-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

What do we learn,
That Christ had the form of God and Christ is = God.
Yet he humbled himself and took the form of a servant and was made like unto man.

I guess this verse answers the question about if Christ is = to God.

tctrills:
Let's talk about his disciples for a minute. Does Jesus Christ want his disciples to be like him and his Father? And in what ways?
Let's examine one verse.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

So yes, he will share his Throne (his dominion and Power) with them. They will truly be one with him just as he is one with the Father and shares the Throne with his Father. Everything the Father has will be given to them.

They also acquire the Godly nature.
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Do you see that it is much deeper than the husband and wife example?
The faithful are given all things pertain unto life and godliness, If everything pertaining to godliness is given to you, and you receive the godly nature, what does that make you sir.

Jesus Christ did not marry his father so it's not the same or even close.

Now you have stated that Jesus Christ is a God but yet you say he is not God.

I asked you to study john 17 but you lazy.
These are Jesus words at John 17 NKJV

22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

So if you still don't how Jesus is one with the Father, please kindly avoid my post. I reason with intelligent people only

1 Corinthians 8;5,6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, .......
We have many gods (Jesus included) but only the Father is the one God

tctrills:
Philippians 2:6-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

What do we learn,
That Christ had the form of God and Christ is = God.
Yet he humbled himself and took the form of a servant and was made like unto man.

I guess this verse answers the question about if Christ is = to God.

Nice exegesis.
I didn't want to chime in before, seeing most of their premises were substantially wrong.

Also thanks for pointing out to the innocent man, the inherent flaw in the topic title.

cornelboy:
I asked you to study john 17 but you lazy.
These are Jesus words at John 17 NKJV

22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

So if you still don't how Jesus is one with the Father, please kindly avoid my post. I reason with intelligent people only

1 Corinthians 8;5,6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, .......
We have many gods (Jesus included) but only the Father is the one God

You have answered your questions now Jesus Christ relationship with his Father is nothing like husband and wife relationship.
Let's look at what you quoted and see who the verse supports.
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them,
Compare that to
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Jesus Christ was exalted to the Father's throne.
His faithful followers will also be exalted to his throne.

Now to the verse you quoted
1 Corinthians 8;5,6yet for us there is one God, the Father
We are told that Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father. Isaiah 9:6
So if you say that the Father is God and Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father, what does that make Jesus Christ?

Start believing in the verses you quoted.

Let's look at one more verse.

Philippians 2 from verse 5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:oes that make Jesus Christ.

We learn that Jesus Christ= God
Not my words but from the scriptures.
So we learn that Jesus Christ is= to God
He has the Form of God
He sits on the throne of God.
He is Almighty (having complete power; omnipotent)
Matthew 28:18
Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
He is the Father Isaiah 9.6

With all these, isn't it crystal clear that he is God?
Let me explain your entire argument in one sentence.
You are saying that Jesus Christ is not God but still he is God.
You see how weak your premise is?
If you said that Jesus Christ is God but he has a Father who is also God and because they are one, they are one God, then no one will fault you.
Let me borrow your husband and wife analogy.
If I am John , when I marry, my wife takes up my name. She becomes Mrs John. Not so. Even your husband wife analogy is enough to explain how Jesus Christ and his Father are one (God)

Gabrielshow24:
Nice exegesis.
I didn't want to chime in before, seeing most of their premises were substantially wrong.

Also thanks for pointing out to the innocent man, the inherent flaw in the topic title.

If only he will correct his fault

tctrills:
You have answered your questions now Jesus Christ relationship with his Father is nothing like husband and wife relationship.
Let's look at what you quoted and see who the verse supports.
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them,
Compare that to
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Jesus Christ was exalted to the Father's throne.
His faithful followers will also be exalted to his throne.

Now to the verse you quoted
1 Corinthians 8;5,6yet for us there is one God, the Father
We are told that Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father. Isaiah 9:6
So if you say that the Father is God and Jesus Christ is the everlasting Father, what does that make Jesus Christ?

Start believing in the verses you quoted.

Let's look at one more verse.

Philippians 2 from verse 5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:oes that make Jesus Christ.

We learn that Jesus Christ= God
Not my words but from the scriptures.
So we learn that Jesus Christ is= to God
He has the Form of God
He sits on the throne of God.
He is Almighty (having complete power; omnipotent)
Matthew 28:18
Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
He is the Father Isaiah 9.6

With all these, isn't it crystal clear that he is God?
Let me explain your entire argument in one sentence.
You are saying that Jesus Christ is not God but still he is God.
You see how weak your premise is?
If you said that Jesus Christ is God but he has a Father who is also God and because they are one, they are one God, then no one will fault you.
Let me borrow your husband and wife analogy.
If I am John , when I marry, my wife takes up my name. She becomes Mrs John. Not so. Even your husband wife analogy is enough to explain how Jesus Christ and his Father are one (God)

What does Jesus being in one with the Father mean?

What does Jesus mean by praying that the disciples should be one just as him and his Father are one?

cornelboy:
What does Jesus being in one with the Father mean?

What does Jesus mean by praying that the disciples should be one just as him and his Father are one?

I just answered you because he was one with his Father, the Father gave him all his power and authority. He sits on his Father's throne.
Because he is one with his Father, the Father is God and he also is God.
And he promised his followers the very same blessings
2 Peter 1:3-4
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 21:7
He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

Have I answered your question with the bible?

cornelboy:
What does Jesus being in one with the Father mean?

What does Jesus mean by praying that the disciples should be one just as him and his Father are one?

Now let me give you possibilities and if possible their implications along with the slippery slope they produce.

First meaning of "oneness": united by purpose! Which also tallies with your example of man and wife!!! - Intent

Second meaning of oneness: "having the same nature" as it implies being the same!!! - Identity

Which do you think given the biblical antecedents rightly describes Jesus Christ?

Edit: I didn't have time to elicit the necessary slippery slopes!

Janosky:
. 1. No, not the same being.
2. No, because nobody is equal with the Father.
Father meaning 'Senior'.
Ephesians 4:6, God the Father is the SENIOR of all beings.
3. No, Trinity NOT scriptural.
Many Trinitarians won't ever agree with your claim or your espoused belief about the doctrine.



True, indeed.

Other Trinitarians won't accept your views about the Trinity doctrine.
Your explanation contradicts the Nicene Creed, the standard format of the doctrine.

Yes.

You have said the truth sir. Any trinitarian that claim that Jesus and the Father are equal in existence, authority and being is not following the exact teachings of Jesus himself who clearly stated that the Father is greater than him and that he derived his power from the Father who is his God.
I am not loyal to denomination and I don't need anyone to agree. The Trinity doctrine in its originality relates only to Salvation and not authority. The Father planned the salvation of mankind, Jesus died for that salvation, and after his ascension, he sent the spirit to guide the saved ones into all truth. The three are one (united in purpose). That should be the message of Trinity. Any step beyond that to say the oneness means one is not greater than the other is nothing but myopic. The Father is the One True God, Jesus is the Son of God whom God has raised to his right hand in the God class and the spirit is of God whom he has sent to guide and preserve the called. That is my comprehensive submission on the Trinity topic over the years.
Thanks.

cornelboy:
I asked you to study john 17 but you lazy. These are Jesus words at John 17 NKJV
22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
So if you still don't how Jesus is one with the Father, please kindly avoid my post. I reason with intelligent people only
1 Corinthians 8;5,6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, .......
We have many gods (Jesus included) but only the Father is the one God.

Their problem is REBELLION!

Each of them wants to establish his own righteousness independently of the other person so they only form alliance against unism just as Jesus foretold about them! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:
Their problem is REBELLION!

Each of them wants to establish his own righteousness independently of the other person so they only form alliance against unism just as Jesus foretold about them! Luke 11:23

Really 🥲, "rebellion".
Also in what way have we established our righteousness?

Is it by not saying Jesus is Michael?
Or by not alluding to the visible hypocrisy as regards self defense?
Or by not seeing any fault in blood transfusion?
Or by not holding the view that God is non transcendental?

By their fruits we shall know them!!!

immaculatesense:
You have said the truth sir. Any trinitarian that claim that Jesus and the Father are equal in existence, authority and being is not following the exact teachings of Jesus himself who clearly stated that the Father is greater than him and that he derived his power from the Father who is his God.
I am not loyal to denomination and I don't need anyone to agree. The Trinity doctrine in its originality relates only to Salvation and not authority. The Father planned the salvation of mankind, Jesus died for that salvation, and after his ascension, he sent the spirit to guide the saved ones into all truth. The three are one (united in purpose). That should be the message of Trinity. Any step beyond that to say the oneness means one is not greater than the other is nothing but myopic. The Father is the One True God, Jesus is the Son of God whom God has raised to his right hand in the God class and the spirit is of God whom he has sent to guide and preserve the called. That is my comprehensive submission on the Trinity topic over the years.
Thanks.

Let me ask you a question.
What makes God God?
Or what's the simple definition of being God?

cornelboy:
Painful truth about what ser, that God is Trinity?

Jesus and the early Christians only believe in ONE GOD.

Did you hear me mention Trinity?

Gabrielshow24:
Really 🥲, "rebellion".
Also in what way have we established our righteousness?

Is it by not saying Jesus is Michael?
Or by not alluding to the visible hypocrisy as regards self defense?
Or by not seeing any fault in blood transfusion?
Or by not holding the view that God is non transcendental?

By their fruits we shall know them!!!

The entire JW religion was born out of dark rebellion.
They rebelled against bible truths and now they accuse you.

Gabrielshow24:
Let me ask you a question.
What makes God God?
Or what's the simple definition of being God?

Good question sir. Leaving the etymology of the root word in both Hebrew and Greek which meant deity or divinity. Literarily, the word God meaning 'something or someone worthy of worship." That is the meaning of god. But the etymology of the word in both Hebrew and other Canaanites languages, the word god is used for 'divinity' or deity," even angels or heavenly beings.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Good question sir. Leaving the etymology of the root word in both Hebrew and Greek which meant deity or divinity. Literarily, the word God meaning 'something or someone worthy of worship." That is the meaning of god. But the etymology of the word in both Hebrew and other Canaanites languages, the word god is used for 'divinity' or deity," even angels or heavenly beings.
Thanks.

Good from your definition is Jesus God?

Gabrielshow24:
Good from your definition is Jesus God?

Yes sir. He is divine. He is worthy of worship. John 5:22-23
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.
He met both criteria. That was why I said we must distinct between the title 'god' and the person of the Father. Is Jesus god? Yes. Is Jesus the Father? No. Who is greater, Jesus or the Father? The Father.
Note the statement of Thomas:
John 20:27-29
[27]Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
[28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
[29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”
I think that clarifies it. The title god is not the Father name or restricted to him alone. But his supremacy and his nature or being is his alone, no one can compare, not even Jesus.

Gabrielshow24:
Really 🥲, "rebellion".
Also in what way have we established our righteousness?
Is it by not saying Jesus is Michael?
Or by not alluding to the visible hypocrisy as regards self defense?
Or by not seeing any fault in blood transfusion?
Or by not holding the view that God is non transcendental?
By their fruits we shall know them!!!

Paul wrote:

Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation.For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge. For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. Romans 10:1-4

There were countless Jewish religious sects in the first century each having its own Rabbi (Teacher) and all these people believe they are establishing facts from the word of God but they are not united in their submission to the scriptures all they are united in doing is criticizing, antagonizing and complaining about the only newly formed group (Christians)
Why?
Because the Christians believe in some strange things that nobody can establish in the Bible except through the works of their faith.
Take for instance:
*Jesus is the Christ or Messiah.
*John the baptist is Elijah.
*There is no further need of the Torah.
*Stoning a sinner is no sign of love.
*Jesus the accused, executed impostor resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Just to mention a few, all these sounds unscriptural to the Jews but the Christians hold these things so dearly in their gathering.
There was never unity among the Jews as each sect uphold the teachings of their Rabbi even though still confused as to which of the Rabbis had God's backing only the followers of Jesus strongly believe that whoever is not one of them believing what Jesus taught is doomed.
While all other Jewish religious sect are of the opinion that the Christians must be wiped out as heretics.

That's why i keep asking you people to present one church that's teaching the truth so that we can all have the same line of thought as the first century disciples of Christ did back then {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 compare to John 17:22} because it's clear that just like the first century Jews none of you believe in the teaching of any specific church you're all scattered spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

immaculatesense:
Yes sir. He is divine. He is worthy of worship. John 5:22-23
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.
He met both criteria. That was why I said we must distinct between the title 'god' and the person of the Father. Is Jesus god? Yes. Is Jesus the Father? No. Who is greater, Jesus or the Father? The Father.
Note the statement of Thomas:
John 20:27-29
[27]Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
[28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
[29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”
I think that clarifies it. The title god is not the Father name or restricted to him alone. But his supremacy and his nature or being is his alone, no one can compare, not even Jesus.

why then did you say Jesus is not God!

Also What is the definition of Father? 🤨

MaxInDHouse:
Paul wrote:

Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation.For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge. For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. Romans 10:1-4

There were countless Jewish religious sects in the first century each having its own Rabbi (Teacher) and all these people believe they are establishing facts from the word of God but they are not united in their submission to the scriptures all they are united in doing is criticizing, antagonizing and complaining about the only newly formed group (Christians)
Why?
Because the Christians believe in some strange things that nobody can establish in the Bible except through the works of their faith.
Take for instance:
*Jesus is the Christ or Messiah.
*John the baptist is Elijah.
*There is no further need of the Torah.
*Stoning a sinner is no sign of love.
*Jesus the accused, executed impostor resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Just to mention a few, all these sounds unscriptural to the Jews but the Christians hold these things so dearly in their gathering.
There was never unity among the Jews as each sect uphold the teachings of their Rabbi even though still confused as to which of the Rabbis had God's backing only the followers of Jesus strongly believe that whoever is not one of them believing what Jesus taught is doomed.
While all other Jewish religious sect are of the opinion that the Christians must be wiped out as heretics.

That's why i keep asking you people to present one church that's teaching the truth so that we can all have the same line of thought as the first century disciples of Christ did back then {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 compare to John 17:22} because it's clear that just like the first century Jews none of you believe in the teaching of any specific church you're all scattered spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

🤦🏾‍♂️This same old circular reasoning!!!