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We always hear our fellow Christian folks talk about free will as it relates to God, does the concept of free will truly exist?

Ok, here is my scenario. an armed robber comes into your home, points a loaded gun at your head and demands you hand over all the money you have on you, at that point, do you have a free will if you eventually hand over your cash to the robber?

Now with God of the Bible, it is either you believe or you burn in eternity forever. Where is the free will?

What I can see is a similarity between the free will when confronted with the barrel of the gun. Give your money or get blasted by bullets, give me like
your life or roast in hell eternally.

Both are very similar and free will does not exist in both scenarios.

What do you think.

Religion and Free will is like oil and water.

TUANKU:
Religion and Free will is like oil and water.

But Christians always want to tell us God gave everyone freewills to chose between right and wrong or be damned through all eternity.

I need a Christian to step up and defend the concept of freewill as it pertains to religion.

Freewill has to do with what each person will like to do but can not affect his or her neighbour in anyway but once what you want to do will affect others then you must take guidance from God who created us all to direct you so that you won't hurt your neighbour!

MaxInDHouse:
Freewill has to do with what each person will like to do but can not affect his or her neighbour in anyway but once what you want to do will affect others then you must take guidance from God who created us all to direct you so that you won't hurt your neighbour!

If I understand you correctly, it means as an adult, you don't know what actions affect your neighbors negativity until you take directions from God?

Tell me how that makes any sense?

Nnamdipapa:
If I understand you correctly, it means as an adult, you don't know what actions affect your neighbors negativity until you take directions from God?
Tell me how that makes any sense?

Do you think it's wrong for a young man to impregnate your daughter (18+) while she is still in school?

Remember both of them are adults yet their actions (which is based on consent) may affect your family negatively!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think it's wrong for a young man to impregnate your daughter (18+) while she is still in school?

Remember both of them are adults yet their actions (which is based on consent) may affect your family negatively!

Wrong morally or legally?

Did you factor in whether the said daughter was in love with the man or not?

Having a pregnancy is no big deal to me as I will simply abort it the next day and the girl will continue safely with her studies with valuable lessons learned.

Nnamdipapa:
Wrong morally or legally?
Did you factor in whether the said daughter was in love with the man or not?
Having a pregnancy is no big deal to me as I will simply abort it the next day and the girl will continue safely with her studies with valuable lessons learned.

You aren't considering if the young woman may wish to keep her baby!

MaxInDHouse:
You aren't considering if the young woman may wish to keep her baby!

Oh, she would not, I promise you!

If she wishes to keep the baby, she must be well off financially to take care of herself and the baby without recourse to help from me plus, I raised a very smart girl who will never opt to raise a child as a single mother. I don't brainwash kids with religion, I train them on how to make good decisions with logic.

Nnamdipapa:
Oh, she would not I promise you!
If she wishes to keep the baby, she must be well off financially to take care of herself and the baby without recourse to help from me plus, I raised a very smart girl who will never opt to raise a child as a single mother. I don't brainwash kids with religion, I train them on how to make good decisions with logic.

And you believe your logic will erase the love a young woman has for her man and her baby shey?

MaxInDHouse:
And you believe your logic will erase the love a young woman has for her man and her baby shey?

No, it won't. Then, she should be ready to move in with the young man and raise the baby together. I will never be held responsible for the stupid or illogical decisions of others, even though they may be my children. It is that simple and I don't do emotions or religion. Sorry.

Nnamdipapa:
No, it won't. Then, she should be ready to move in with the young man and raise the baby together. I will never be held responsible for the stupid or illogical decisions of others, even though they may be my children. It is that simple and I don't do emotions or religion. Sorry.

Do you think such harsh decision won't give you a bad name in the minds of your wife and extended family?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think such harsh decision won't give you a bad name in the minds of your wife and extended family?

I also do not care about the opinions of others, my life decisions are never based on the opinions of other people as these opinions are deeply rooted in unstable emotions that change over time. I do what makes me comfortable and serves my interest for the most part and, have no regrets whatsoever. The easiest way to fail in life is to always pander to the opinions of others. The term " harsh" is just a judgment based solely on your opinion of my actions.

Nnamdipapa:
But Christians always want to tell us God gave everyone freewills to chose between right and wrong or be damned through all eternity.

" or be damned through all eternity"
Religion thrives on fear, the fear of eternal damnation. That is why they threaten gullible people with same.

TUANKU:
" or be damned through all eternity"
Religion thrives on fear, the fear of eternal damnation. That is why they threaten gullible people with same.

.....While pretending they chosed God out of their supposed free will.

Nnamdipapa:
I also do not care about the opinions of others, my life decisions are never based on the opinions of other people as these opinions are deeply rooted in unstable emotions that change over time. I do what makes me comfortable and serves my interest for the most part and, have no regrets whatsoever. The easiest way to fail in life is to always pander to the opinions of others. The term " harsh" is just a judgment based solely on your opinion of my actions.

So if you don't care about the feelings of others as long as you please yourself do you think that's fair?

MaxInDHouse:
So if you don't care about the feelings of others as long as you please yourself do you think that's fair?

Yes. especially when the actions do not concern/affect them in any way like my supposed daughter's teenage pregnancy.
It really concerns them in no way so their opinion is totally irrelevant. If there is a way my actions affect them in the slightest, then I will factor their opinions into my decision-making process.

Nnamdipapa:
.....While pretending they chose God out of their supposed free will.

Exactly, you know their score
Remove hell fire from the equation and see their true colors on display.

TUANKU:
Religion and Free will is like oil and water.

But without Religion, you have all the free will you desire. So, why bother yourself with religion? Why do people choose the chains that is religion?

Nnamdipapa:
Yes. especially when the actions do not concern/affect them in any way like my supposed daughter's teenage pregnancy. It really concerns them in no way so their opinion is totally irrelevant. If there is a way my actions affect them in the slightest, then I will factor their opinions into my decision-making process.

Are you saying members of your extended family are not concerned about the action you take regarding the life of their niece, cousin and her unborn child?

Kobojunkie:
But without Religion, you have all the free will you desire. So, why bother yourself with religion?

Because we interact with religious people in our day-to-day lives, some of us were in bondage to religion the most of our lives. I felt robbed by all the years spent in religion so we try to demand some answers. Surely religious folks, such as yourself, would not be shy in explaining their positions and motivations.

Also, we try to open the eyes of others who are weak-minded and indoctrinated into religion.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying members of your extended family are not concerned about the action you take regarding the life of their niece, cousin and her unborn child?

If they are concerned, I would surely expect them to take over financial responsibilities for the baby and my daughter should the need arise. Shouldn't that be consistent with the actions of concerned individuals?

I totally understand the hypocritical nature of most Christians. They claim to be against abortions and they would never lift a finger to help children of others born into poverty. I like to press their buttons most of the time just for kicks.

Nnamdipapa:
➜Because we interact with religious people in our day-to-day lives, some of us were in bondage to religion the most of our lives. I felt robbed by all the years spent in religion so we try to demand some answers.
➜Surely religious folks, such as yourself, would not be shy in explaining their positions and motivations.
➜Also, we try to open the eyes of others who are weak-minded and indoctrinated into religion.

1. You felt robbed yet you demand answers from the very same which you claim robbed you. For what purpose?

2. I suggest you direct your grievance in the right direction since I am not a religious person as I have made myself clear on several occasions that I am anti-religious—Christianity not sparred.

3. How can you open the eyes of others when you insist you need answers from the one's you pretend you are able to save them from?

Kobojunkie:
But without Religion, you have all the free will you desire. So, why bother yourself with religion? Why do people choose the chains that is religion?

OP made a post and asked for opinions and i shared mine or don't i have a right to air my opinion again?
Typical of religious people, running when no one is chasing you lot.

TUANKU:
➜OP made a post and asked for opinions and i shared mine or don't i have a right to air my opinion again? Typical of religious people, running when no one is chasing you lot.

Seems you were rattled by the questions I asked. How come?

Kobojunkie:
1. You felt robbed yet you demand answers from the very same which you claim robbed you. For what purpose?

2. I suggest you direct your grievance in the right direction since I am not a religious person as I have made myself clear on several occasions that I am anti-religious—Christianity not sparred.

3. How can you open the eyes of others when you insist you need answers from the one's you pretend you are able to save them from?

If you are indeed anti-Christian/religion, then my beef is not with you.

Demanding answers in terms of justifying their position not that I needed any for myself. My choice of words seems to be wrong, we live in the age of information and I could readily get an answer I want in a matter of minutes on any topic.

Nnamdipapa:
If they are concerned, I would surely expect them to take over financial responsibilities for the baby and my daughter should the need arise. Shouldn't that be consistent with the actions of concerned individuals?
I totally understand the hypocritical nature of most Christians. They claim to be against abortions and they would never lift a finger to help children of others born into poverty. I like to press their buttons most of the time just for kicks.

Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them?

Remember all these wouldn't have been if no young man brainwashed your child with sweet talks in the name of love to have premarital sex with her and your daughter too who is an adult would have chosen the best if she follow God's guidance regarding her dealings with the opposite sex.

Kobojunkie:
Seems you were rattled by the questions I asked. How come?

Rattled? By your elementary questions?
I just consider those questions baseless and you an unnecessary interruption to the conversation i was having with the OP.

Nnamdipapa:
➜If you are indeed anti-Christian/religion, then my beef is not with you.
Demanding answers in terms of justifying their position not that I needed any for myself. My choice of words seems to be wrong, we live in the age of information and I could readily get an answer I want in a matter of minutes on any topic.

Justify positions that are clearly built on top of numerous contradictory ideas and beliefs. Or have you not yourself figured out that that is in fact what religion— all religions — are in fact founded upon?

MaxInDHouse:
Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them?

Remember all these wouldn't have been if no young man brainwashed your child with sweet talks in the name of love to have premarital sex with her and your daughter too who is an adult would have chosen the best if she follow God's guidance regarding her dealings with the opposite sex.

"Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them[b][/b]?

My answer is a resounding emphatic NO!

Also, there are more than 4 thousand Gods at the last count, which of the Gods might you be referencing? Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Brahanma..... You need to be specific and you don't presume your own God to be superior to others.

I am in support of safe pre-marital sex so far it is consensual and both are of the age of majority.
We do not need the Bible or God to be moral or know the right things to do. People lived their lives before the advent of the Bible.

Kobojunkie:
Justify positions that are clearly built on top of numerous contradictory ideas and beliefs. Or have you not yourself figured out that that is in fact what religion— all religions — are in fact founded upon?

I have and do agree that you are right.