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MaxInDHouse:
Come next time!

tctrills:
Are you ok sir?

MaxInDHouse:
How can this be possible when all of you are contradicting yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
I believe we have agreed not to cross each other's paths so if you're not ok that's your own cup of coffee!

Gabrielshow24:
Now you have to think, even the instances of your beloved - Michael shows him wielding a sword in his hand.

Almost every confrontational instance with Angels show them wielding swords in their hands!🤔

But someone else, Jesus, doesn't wield a sword in his hand, not even in the conventional way of self defense but rather in his mouth🤔.

This someone else wasn't a terror in heaven and then became a pacifist on earth👀 - showing grand hypocrisy of standards - but instead is consistent in the image of God, by using his word!!!

Not swords, nor flaming swords but Words!!!
And yet some JW from Nigeria says this two beings are equal, when there are apparent disparities!!!

If you allude to Jesus being Michael in heaven then he is nothing more but an hypocrite!!!🤨
Doing the same things he told his people not to!!!
And from the characters of Jesus he is not an hypocrite, hence Jesus can never be Michael 👀.

The absolute nature of God, makes him the same today, tomorrow and forever🤨.

Hence he can't be a purveyor of violence in heaven and then on earth become Buddha🤨!!!

tctrills:
I want to give you an answer that I believe will finally help you understand that Jesus Christ and his Father are one God.
Let's begin with your very own beliefs. You believe that the Father of Jesus Christ is the God in the Old Testament right?
If so, Let's build this discussion from there.

Before then, remember we read in John 17 that the Father is the only one true God right? Keep that in mind as we go on.

How many Saviors do we have? One or two?

Isaiah 43:11I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me, there is no Saviour.

Jude 25
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 John 4:14
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Acts 4:10-12
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

From reading these verses, how many Saviors do we have? If you say one, but then we see that in different instances, both the Father and the Son have been called our Saviour yet we believe that there is only one Saviour as the scripture teaches. We see both the Son and Father addressed by the Same title but the name or title is one.

Let's take another example.
Who is the First and the Last? Or do we have two First and the Last
Isaiah 44:6:
"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Isaiah 41:4:
"Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, the first, and with the last;
Revelation 1:17-18

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 21
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Again do we have 2 Firsts and Lasts, or 2 beginings? No, we don't. But we can see that everything the Father is, the Son becomes yet they remain one.
Their name and Title are not split. Everything the Father has he gave to his Son and the Son will give to us

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Now we learn that the Father is God, and the Son is also God and they are one.
Just like both Father and Son are the Saviour yet we have only one Saviour, both are the First and the Last, Both are Everlasting Father yet we have but one Saviour, So are both of them the one true God yet we worship and know one God.

This is the message from the bible

Here are other references to the Son taking up the Father's position/title and yet they remain one not two.

Lord:
Father: Deuteronomy 10:17 ("For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords..."
Son: Philippians 2:11 ("and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

God:
Father: John 17:3 ("And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."
Son: John 1:1 ("In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
King:
Father: 1 Timothy 1:17 ("To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen."
Son: Revelation 19:16 ("On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."

Judge:
Father: Psalm 94:2 ("Rise up, O Judge of the earth; repay to the proud what they deserve!"
Son: John 5:22 ("For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son..."

Shepherd:
Father: Psalm 23:1 ("The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want."
Son: John 10:11 ("I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."

The Alpha and Omega/The beginning and the end:
Father: Revelation 21:6 ("And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment."

Son: Revelation 22:13 ("I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

So how come you don't see that both are the one true God? how come yu don't see that everything the father is the Son has become?

I pasted every scriptural verse so you can understand it as you read. Ask questions If you have any.

StillDtruth:
Did you hear me mention Trinity?

Gabrielshow24:
Now let me give you possibilities and if possible their implications along with the slippery slope they produce.

First meaning of "oneness": united by purpose! Which also tallies with your example of man and wife!!! - Intent

Second meaning of oneness: "having the same nature" as it implies being the same!!! - Identity

Which do you think given the biblical antecedents rightly describes Jesus Christ?

Edit: I didn't have time to elicit the necessary slippery slopes!

cornelboy:
If I reply you make I bend

Gabrielshow24:
Now you have think, even the instances of your beloved - Michael shows him wielding a sword in his hand.

Almost every confrontational instance with Angels show them wielding swords in their hands!🤔

But someone else, Jesus, doesn't wield a sword in his hand, not even in the conventional way of self defense but rather in his mouth🤔.

This someone else wasn't a terror in heaven and then became a pacifist on earth👀 - showing grand hypocrisy of standards - but instead is consistent in the image of God, by using his word!!!

Not swords, nor flaming swords but Words!!!
And yet some JW from Nigeria says this two beings are equal, when there are apparent disparities!!!

If you allude to Jesus being Michael in heaven then he is nothing more but an hypocrite!!!🤨
Doing the same things he told his people not to!!!
And from the characters of Jesus he is not an hypocrite, hence Jesus can never be Michael 👀.

The absolute nature of God, makes him the same today, tomorrow and forever🤨.

Hence he can't be a purveyor of violence in heaven and then on earth become Buddha🤨!!!

tctrills:
No, we agreed not to include our churches in the discussion. I will continue to expose your falsehood but you are free to ignore sir

MaxInDHouse:
You misconstrued the whole thing!

Paul talked about faith in Jesus' teachings against faith in the works of the mosaic laws {Romans 10:4} James talked about those claiming faith in Christ but aren't doing the WORKS Jesus assigned to his disciples.

According to Paul someone who based his salvation on the laws of Moses is not saved {Luke 18:18-23} James based his letter on the WORKS Jesus assigned which some doesn't feel is necessary as they thought Jesus' death has given them direct Visa to God's Kingdom when they refused to do the work he assigned to his faithful disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

So my guy you didn't get it at all both of them are on the same page!

immaculatesense:
Sir, you didn't get the message of both men. You only interpreted their intentions which was correct. James will trying to dispel the misinterpretation of Paul's letter especially to the Romans. People still misinterpreted it today that faith alone without good works equals salvation but James pointed it out that it is our good works that shows our faith in God.

cornelboy:
Jesus want his disciples to be one just like he's one with God his father, that shows being "united by purpose" like you said. Nothing else.

MaxInDHouse:
Pharaoh made Joseph ruler over all his household and the entire land of Egypt {Genesis 41:39-41} just as God made Jesus ruler over all His belongings {1Corinthans 15:25} it is written in the prophecies long before Jesus' birth {Psalms 105:21} but Joseph is still in subjection to Pharaoh {Genesis 41:40} and Jesus is still in subjection to God! 1Corinthans 15:27

Pharʹaoh further said to Joseph: “I am Pharʹaoh, but without your authorization, no man may do a single thing in all the land of Egypt.” Genesis 41:44

Compare to:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

YES! Just as nobody could do anything in the land of Egypt without authorization from Joseph no man can see everlasting life without approval from Jesus! Matthew 10:32-33

gohf:
this is confusing are you saying that Jesus being the son of God is half truth?

cornelboy:
Just a comparison.
Read well

delkuf:
so you are equating Joseph as the same to Jesus

immaculatesense:
Yes, I do, since they are 'divine' that makes them 'god' (elohim). According to Psalm 82:1
‭Psalms 82:1 NIV‬
[1] God (elohim-) presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods” (elohim):

I interprete this passage as "the Father (elohim) god presides in the great assembly, he renders judgement among the angels (refer to by the psalmist as gods (elohim) just like in Psalms 8:5. I believe this is somehow relatable with Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. I believe in both passages, the scriptures refers to the heavenly assembly or court as an assembly of angels or heavenly beings who have been sent by the Father to lead and guide the affairs of men. They give report and account to the Father on how they manage the affairs of men. I think along the line, the issue of idolatry has it stem from men's encounters with this heavenly beings overtime. So, yes. Angels were referred to across scriptures as 'elohim' which means god.

MaxInDHouse:
If you will not mention your church so we can assess the doctrine ọmọ nothing for you!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you ready to talk or you still want to hide in your cave?


Ọmọ i don't have time for delusional religionists so if you don't have anything tangible to offer please keep off!

cornelboy:
If I reply you make I bend

tctrills:
That's your business. All I know is that I will constantly oppose your falsehoods.

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

delkuf:
the guy that open the post in his little sense was just comparing but you have start with your devish view

MaxInDHouse:
You have called them fools but i will continue to rub it in your face that i have lots of admirers here not because they have seen my face but they are moved by my faith as noticed in my comments!
Lol my little girl has many friends. The prom queen. Don't worry we will you will win the miss Nairaland competition since you think this is a popularity competition.

On our path, we will continue to share the truth. It may not have many friends but it remains constant and unchangeable unlike you.

























So enjoy your own thoughts i'm fulfilled!

MaxInDHouse:
You have called them fools but i will continue to rub it in your face that i have lots of admirers here not because they have seen my face but they are moved by my faith as noticed in my comments!


























So enjoy your own thoughts i'm fulfilled!

cornelboy:
If I reply you make I bend

tctrills:
Lol my little girl has many friends. The prom queen. Don't worry we will you will win the miss Nairaland competition since you think this is a popularity competition.

On our path, we will continue to share the truth. It may not have many friends but it remains constant and unchangeable unlike you.

MaxInDHouse:
See IQ o!
Are they friends or admirers of true faith?

delkuf:
you own come serious oooo. We have been battling with maxi and his brothers but this your own is on a whole new level

immaculatesense:
Sir, what level sir? Please, read all my write up on it and you will understand my viewpoint is well evident in the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing like good works, after Jesus' mission on earth the only good work anyone can engage himself is to join Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work he assigned to them! Luke 18:18-23

Before Jesus works of faith is whatever God asks us to do outside our comfort zone that's what James is saying but some like you feels when you claim faith in Jesus without joining his disciples to preach and teach in your neighbourhood is enough ọmọ that's what James is saying!

Paul was telling Christians in Rome that many Jews feels its through the works of mosaic laws that they will gain salvation!