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MaxInDHouse:
Surely your parents are MAD!

See it. See how you have proven that you are not just Mad but that your whole family is cursed with Madness, from your parents to yourself and your children.

StillDtruth:
See it. See how you have proven that you are not just Mad but that your whole family is cursed with Madness, from your parents to yourself and your children.

My parents are dead but yours are mad for failure to teach you morals!

MaxInDHouse:
My parents are dead but yours are mad for failure to teach you morals!

Still no difference. For now you say they died being Mad as you they passed their curse of Madness unto you.

We have noted that you are Mad

StillDtruth:
Still no difference. For now you say they died being Mad as you they passed their curse of Madness unto you.
We have noted that you are Mad

Who are the we?

Ọmọ your madness started when you said your mummy, aunty, sister, daughter, niece and all females in your family are Satan's offspring.

That's confirmation of madness in your family o!

MaxInDHouse:
Who are the we?

Ọmọ your madness started when you said your mummy, aunty, sister, daughter, niece and all females in your family are Satan's offspring.

That's confirmation of madness in your family o!

See Madness.

Now Madman moves post to the madness that his mummy, aunty, sister, daughter, niece and all females in his family are Satan's children, which even everyone has seen and are confessing daily.

See how you proving that everyone in your family is Cursed with Madness and you are all children of Satan?

And this is exactly how Muslims talk when they find that they have nothing reasonable to say. Clear proof that you are a devil and a Muslim and a Polytheist.

I am sure you still worship one juju in one wardrobe of your room.

StillDtruth:
See Madness.

Now Madman moves post to the madness that his mummy, aunty, sister, daughter, niece and all females in his family are Satan's children, which even everyone has seen and are confessing daily.

See how you proving that everyone in your family is Cursed with Madness and you are all children of Satan?

And this is exactly how Muslims talk when they find that they have nothing reasonable to say. Clear proof that you are a devil and a Muslim and a Polytheist.

I am sure you still worship one juju in one wardrobe of your room.

Your parents are MAD that's why you are always calling everyone MAD for not agreeing with you!

MaxInDHouse:
Your parents are MAD that's why you are always calling everyone MAD for not agreeing with you!

See proof Madness. See your mad reasoning. Clearly, you are Mad because your parents are Mad

StillDtruth:
See proof Madness. See your mad reasoning. Clearly, you are Mad because your parents are Mad

Your parents are MAD that's why you are calling everyone MAD for having different opinions!

MaxInDHouse:
Your parents are MAD that's why you are calling everyone MAD for having different opinions!

Now Madman is repeating himself. Clearly you have become permanently Mad.

StillDtruth:
Now Madman is repeating himself. Clearly you have become permanently Mad.

Your parents are MAD!

StillDtruth:
No Trinitarian says He is not.

All I think they are saying is that we should note that The LORD is also "our God".

By JW analysis also, Angels too are gods.

And the bible also shows that men are gods too. So what is the problem?

You don't see any problems?
There's only one true God we give exclusive worship to, the Father. He's the one true God for Christian. Cos humans are called God's or Jesus is called God doesn't mean we should worship them.

1 Corinthians 8:5,6
"...yet for us there is but one God, the Father, ..."

orisa37:
THE SPEECH TO MOSES WAS THE WORD OF GOD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WAS WITH GOD AND IS GOD.

And who is this word of God that is Almighty God?

StillDtruth:
You are mixing it all up

The LORD is Jesus, yes is He an Angel? The Answer is not really!

Genesis 1:26 shows us that God, The Father, His Son and the Angels are all alike. Which is why where The LORD is referenced to an Angel is not out of place. But it is only correct to a small degree.

For The LORD is The One with Authority over heaven and earth as a King is the Authority over his territory.

Therefore, every thing and person on the earth and Angel in heaven is subject and subordinate to The LORD, Jesus Christ.

And Genesis 2 shows that the full title of Jesus Christ is The LORD God which the bible later clarifies saying The LORD "our God".

Thus, it is wrong, defamatory and blasphemous to reduce the Level and Position of The LORD God, to an Angel, just because of the scarce occasions were He was referenced as An Angel.

The scarcity of that reference is there for a reason.

So explain Psalm 110:1. Who is the Two "lord" referenced In that verse.

tctrills:
It was Jehovah Jesus Christ that spoke to Moses.
Let's learn from the bible.
Exodus 6:3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

We can see the clear distinction made here.
It was Jehovah who appeared unto Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but he came in the name of God the Almighty not in his own name Jehovah.

Jehovah is the God Moses introduced to Israel, the God of Israel.
That is why, David said, "The Lord said to my Lord.
He had a personal relationship with Christ hence he referred to His as his Lord. Jesus Christ is the Lord of Israel, the Jehovah of the old testament

Does the diagram in the screenshot below correctly explain the Trinity?

Truthseeker10:
Does the diagram in the screenshot below correctly explain the Trinity?

The diagram is correct.

tctrills:
The diagram is correct.

So explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can the bible say in John 1:18 that no man has seen God when people actually saw Jesus on earth since Jesus is God?

Truthseeker10:
So explain John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

How can the bible say in John 1:18 that no man has seen God when people actually saw Jesus on earth since Jesus is God?

The same bible also teaches us that so many people have seen God.

Passages Where People See God
Genesis 32:30 – "So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, ‘For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.’”

Jacob wrestles with a mysterious man, later identified as God.
Exodus 24:9-11 – "Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel went up, and they saw the God of Israel."

The leaders of Israel see God, yet they are not harmed.
Isaiah 6:1-5 – "In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple."

Isaiah has a vision of God and feels unworthy.

Finally, the Savior taught, blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality.

So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

tctrills:
The same bible also teaches us that so many people have seen God.

Passages Where People See God
Genesis 32:30 – "So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, ‘For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.’”

Jacob wrestles with a mysterious man, later identified as God.
Exodus 24:9-11 – "Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel went up, and they saw the God of Israel."

The leaders of Israel see God, yet they are not harmed.
Isaiah 6:1-5 – "In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple."

Isaiah has a vision of God and feels unworthy.

Finally, the Savior taught, blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

So do these verses contradict John 1:18?

Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality.

So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

Oga Steep and StillDtruth Nachmonides Dtruthspeaker Gabrielshow24 GothamCities, do you agree with the submission above by tctrills?

So when Jesus was on earth and was not a God, did the Trinity still Exist according to the diagram that I showed you?

Truthseeker10:
So do these verses contradict John 1:18?


Oga Steep and StillDtruth, do you agree with the submission above by tctrills?

So when Jesus was on earth and was not a God, did the Trinity still Exist according to the diagram that I showed you?

Read also Job 19.26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
John 17.5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus Christ did not come to earth in his Glory.
Also, Jesus Christ needed to overcome all things to be given everything, all that his Father has.

Here are a few verses to help you understand the difference between Christ the man and he as God.
Hebrews 5:8-9
King James Version
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

We see that he attained perfection.

Luke 2:52
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

We see that he did not come to earth loaded with all wisdom.

Now look at the difference after his resurrection.

Matthew 28:18
Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

You can see that Christ the man was limited

tctrills:
Read also Job 19.26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
John 17.5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Do these verses contradict John 1:18?

Jesus Christ did not come to earth in his Glory.
Also, Jesus Christ needed to overcome all things to be given everything, all that his Father has.

So when Jesus was on earth and was not God, did the Trinity still Exist according to the diagram that I showed you?

Truthseeker10:
Do these verses contradict John 1:18?


So when Jesus was on earth and was not God, did the Trinity still Exist according to the diagram that I showed you?

First to your second question. I never used the word trinity because it's not scriptural and because it is a man-made term with man-made definitions.
But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God.

To you first question, yes, there are contradictions and I believe it's translation contradictions.

tctrills:
First to your second question. I never used the word trinity because it's not scriptural and because it is a man-made term with man-made definitions.
But if God took the form of a man so he could live the human experience, living his glory behind, does it mean he was not God at the time?
I don't know and the question was not attempted in the scriptures. We don't know everything about the mystery of God.

So what was the structure of the diagram that I showed you when Jesus was on earth?

To you first question, yes, there are contradictions and I believe it's translation contradictions.

So what is the translation contradiction?

Truthseeker10:
So what was the structure of the diagram that I showed you when Jesus was on earth?


So what is the translation contradiction?

My duty is not to say things that haven't been revealed.
Was Christ God while on earth? I don't know. But the bible tells us that he is God and that's ok for now.

You already pointed out that there is a contradiction so what exactly is your second question.

tctrills:
My duty is not to say things that haven't been revealed.
Was Christ God while on earth? I don't know. But the bible tells us that he is God and that's ok for now.

How can you say you don't know when you made this statement below:
"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

Is that not a contradiction?

already pointed out that there is a contradiction so what exactly is your second question.

Show me where I said there was a Contradiction.

You claimed that there is a translation contradiction. So please tell us what it is.

Truthseeker10:
How can you say you don't know when you made this statement below:
"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

Is that not a contradiction?

Show me where I said there was a Contradiction.

You claimed that there is a translation contradiction. So please tell us what it is.

Again i said he came to earth as a man and you asked what happened to your beautiful picture and I said I don't know.
So I didn't make the contradiction. I only would not answer beyond what is revealed


You asked, "Do these verses contradict John 1:18?"

tctrills:
Again i said he came to earth as a man and you asked what happened to your beautiful picture and I said I don't know.
So I didn't make the contradiction. I only would not answer beyond what is revealed

This is what you responded "I don't know" to below:


My duty is not to say things that haven't been revealed.
Was Christ God while on earth? I don't know. But the bible tells us that he is God and that's ok for now.

So why the twisting?

You asked, "Do these verses contradict John 1:18?"

Then what was your answer?

Truthseeker10:
How can you say you don't know when you made this statement below:
"Now talking about Jesus Christ, he came to earth not as God but as man. He left he glory behind. He was prone to the weaknesses of man.
He said, only the Father in heaven is good, acknowledging his mortality."
So yes, he did not come to earth as God but as man.

Is that not a contradiction?

Show me where I said there was a Contradiction.

You claimed that there is a translation contradiction. So please tell us what it is.

To your last question
So some verses say man saw God and others day man can't see God.

To your First, let me explain better. We know that Christ left his glory behind and lived on earth as a man. That's how much we know. Is it clearer now?

tctrills:
Again i said he came to earth as a man and you asked what happened to your beautiful picture and I said I don't know.
So I didn't make the contradiction. I only would not answer beyond what is revealed

This is what you responded "I don't know" to in your statement below:


My duty is not to say things that haven't been revealed.
Was Christ God while on earth? I don't know. But the bible tells us that he is God and that's ok for now.

So why the twisting?

You asked, "Do these verses contradict John 1:18?"

Then what was your answer?

Truthseeker10:
This is what you responded "I don't know" to in your statement below:


My duty is not to say things that haven't been revealed.
Was Christ God while on earth? I don't know. But the bible tells us that he is God and that's ok for now.

So why the twisting?


Then what was your answer?

But I have made my self clear.
What is it in my answer that you don't understand.
Let me make it super clear.
He was God, he became man and lived the human experience and returned back to his glory.
I guess this is the best way to put it.

tctrills:
But I have made my self clear.
What is it in my answer that you don't understand.
Let me make it super clear.
He was God, he became man and lived the human experience and returned back to his glory.
I guess this is the best way to put it.

So kindly show us where the bible says that Jesus was God.

Kindly explain the translation contradiction in John 1:18.

Truthseeker10:
So kindly show us where the bible says that Jesus was God.

Kindly explain the translation contradiction in John 1:18.

John 1.1

tctrills:
John 1.1

So what is the Translation contradiction in John 1:18?