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In Old testament it was normal to marry two or more wives
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I have read the scriptures very well, and I have not found any convincing evidence both in new and old testament that marrying two wives legally is a sin.
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Modern Christians believe that after marrying one wife, if u add another one, then u have committed fornication/adultery. Now I have 2 questions

First question: What if after marrying the first wife, I saw a widow or a virgin, and I never slept with her until after I legally married her as second wife. How will that be term adultery or fornication?

Second question: What if when I wanted to marry my first wife, I instead engaged two women or two virgin, and they both agreed, and I never slept with either of them until after marriage ceremony was done for both of them same day. Is that fornication and how is it fornication/adultery?

I will love your answers with sound scriptural backing....and please read and understand the scenario I painted. Thank you

What do you think?
Would you be pleased to marry a lady or woman who is ready to spend billions of dollars on you but wishes to marry two men the same day?

You are not the first to think how you can commit sin and escape the punishment of God.

FreeSpirited:
In Old testament it was normal to marry two or more wives
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I have read the scriptures very well, and I have not found any convincing evidence both in new and old testament that marrying two wives legally is a sin.
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Modern Christians believe that after marrying one wife, if u add another one, then u have committed fornication/adultery. Now I have 2 questions
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I will love your answers with sound scriptural backing....and please read and understand the scenario I painted. Thank you

In the old, the whole world was full of paganism is why all over the world people practiced the adultery of marrying many wives, whether in Africa or Europe.

So, through Abraham, God started changing the world wide practices of paganism and polygamy.

Which is why you see Christianity came to cut down paganism.

FreeSpirited:
First question: What if after marrying the first wife, I saw a widow or a virgin, and I never slept with her until after I legally married her as second wife. How will that be term adultery or fornication?

Yes! It is adultery and intent to commit adultery for you are already married.

FreeSpirited:
Second question: What if when I wanted to marry my first wife, I instead engaged two women or two virgin, and they both agreed, and I never slept with either of them until after marriage ceremony was done for both of them same day. Is that fornication and how is it fornication/adultery

This is fornication, Whoredom and adultery using the cover of marriage.

You already see the hell that pours out when you have a girl and you went pursuing another one, so how is possible that they would agree?

It is only prostitutes aka whorres who will do that.

So you would be guilty of intent to commit whoredom, whoredom, intent to commit adultery and intent to use marriage to cover adultery, adultery and defiling of the marriage bed etc!

See people planning to deceive God like Ananias and Sapphira. Smh.

Surely you are not comfortable sharing your wife with any other man so why do you think any woman will like to share her man with another woman? Matthew 7:12
Well Jesus taught us what will be applicable in Paradise where there won't be oldage, sickness, poverty or death.
So if you want to fit in to that system you have to start practicing what God's Kingdom want now, Paradise is for one man and one woman just as God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

May you have Peace!

MaxInDHouse:
What do you think?
Would you be pleased to marry a lady or woman who is ready to spend billions of dollars on you but wishes to marry two men the same day?

You people are just talking off point...
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A woman has never been allowed to marry two men in the scriptures and in most secular culture...so how do u guys equate a man with two women which is scriptural and a woman with two men....such comparison is dumb....and it's false equivalence

FreeSpirited:
You people are just talking off point...
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A woman has never been allowed to marry two men in the scriptures and in most secular culture...so how do u guys equate a man with two women which is scriptural and a woman with two men....such comparison is dumb....and it's false equivalence

Truly, on the face of it, he went off point.

However, his response is meant to address your aim of using marriage to perpetuate polygamy

For Who is The Ruler of Marriages? Is it God or you men?

If it is you men then you should not bother yourself about the Laws of fornication, and adultery etc for all these are God's Laws.

Therefore you can do as you like and if you have any problems you can go to your men's court for just is.

But if God is The One, then you have other Laws that are burning you right now eg Did you read that as God Judged Ananias so Judged He Sapphira?

Or did you not hear His Law is "An eye for an eye aka if you want an extra wife then your wife has a right to an extra husband?

So you can see when He is ready to punish you, one of Hid Judgements is that your wives shall marry their own husbands as you have done to them.

FreeSpirited:
You people are just talking off point...
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A woman has never been allowed to marry two men in the scriptures and in most secular culture...so how do u guys equate a man with two women which is scriptural and a woman with two men....such comparison is dumb....and it's false equivalence

You have spoken well by saying polygamy is found in the Bible but you need to know that it wasn't permitted for all times.
Take for instance incest was permitted when Adam's descendants were about to procreate they got married to their own siblings, Lot impregnated his own two daughters after the death of their mother and all the men they had in the land of Sodom, Judah (Jacob's fourth son) impregnated his daughter in-law but later God condemned all these acts in the mosaic laws.
When Christ came he made it clear to his disciples that they must not do what they won't accept to their neighbours {Matthew 7:12} and when it comes to marriage they should remember what God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

Regarding polyandry (marrying more than one husband) many cultures around the world are doing it because they don't know the Abrahamic God so if you want to preach Christianity to such ones how do you defend polygamy when it's not what God established in the beginning yet condemned polyandry?

So to establish a balance Christian view we must stick to what God instituted in the beginning because that is what will be applicable in Paradise: One man (Adam) and one woman (Eve)

May you have peace!

You may feel irritated but these are things happening around the world where people don't believe Abrahamic God!
Jesus commanded us to preach and teach people globally the things he taught us about God's Kingdom.

Our message will make no sense in the ears of these kind of people if we are into something similar to theirs so for us to be on the same page with our message we must stick to monogamy God's arrangement in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

Moses had wives and not wife

RealityKings1:
Moses had wives and not wife

Moses was not a Christian!

MaxInDHouse:
Moses was not a Christian!

Which of God did he serve?

RealityKings1:
Which of God did he serve?

He served the same God with Cain and Abel!

MaxInDHouse:
He served the same God with Cain and Abel!

Good. The "Cain" had wives and not a single wife

RealityKings1:
Good. The "Cain" had wives and not a single wife

OP is appealing to CHRISTIANS those who have the assurance of everlasting life.
For your information all servants of God from Abel till John the baptist are yet to get the approval {Matthew 11:11} because they must accept what Jesus taught before they can get approval for everlasting life! John 3:16
Meanwhile they will be resurrected to practice what Jesus taught us within the thousand years of Jesus' reign before their names can be written in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} no man can gain everlasting life without what Jesus taught!

MaxInDHouse:
Moses was not a Christian!

Christianity started with Moses so you are Lying.

FreeSpirited:
✓ In Old testament it was normal to marry two or more wives
I have read the scriptures very well, and I have not found any convincing evidence both in new and old testament that marrying two wives legally is a sin.
Modern Christians believe that after marrying one wife, if u add another one, then u have committed fornication/adultery. Now I have 2 questions
First question: What if after marrying the first wife, I saw a widow or a virgin, and I never slept with her until after I legally married her as second wife. How will that be term adultery or fornication?
✓ Second question: What if when I wanted to marry my first wife, I instead engaged two women or two virgin, and they both agreed, and I never slept with either of them until after marriage ceremony was done for both of them same day. Is that fornication and how is it fornication/adultery?
I will love your answers with sound scriptural backing....and please read and understand the scenario I painted. Thank you

1. I highly doubt you have in fact read the Israelite Scriptures as written as you pretend since this is all about confirming to the many standards of the Religion of Christianity for you and nothing more. Anyway, religion is like a bottomless pit with endless contradictory ideas streaming from it, each tailored to justify one particular delusion or another. I am certain at least one of the over 45,000 known denominations of Christianity would provide you the justification you need for your particular idea regarding these ideas of sin you hold.

2. All you need is find for yourself and existing denomination in your chosen religion to provide you the validation you need or you can always create your own denomination to suit your purpose. That is pretty much what your many Popes, GOs, imams, Bishops, Prophets, etc., have had to do.

RealityKings1:
Moses had wives and not wife

First, not at the same time for his first wife left on her own and not that he went looking for a 2nd wife to add to her as you greedy people do

Then secondly, he got the permission of God Who saw why his first wife was leaving and unlike everyone else, He saw God directly, "friend to friend" style.

That is why your Catholic church is right in saying you need God to be present to get a divorce.

MaxInDHouse:
He served the same God with Cain and Abel!

Jws and Half truths.
A half-truth is even more dangerous than a lie.

Cain did not serve God.

Kobojunkie:
1. I highly doubt you have in fact read the Israelite Scriptures as written as you pretend since this is all about confirming to the many standards of the Religion of Christianity for you and nothing more. Anyway, religion is like a bottomless pit with endless contradictory ideas streaming from it, each tailored to justify one particular delusion or another. I am certain at least one of the over 45,000 known denominations of Christianity would provide you the justification you need for your particular idea regarding these ideas of sin you hold.

2. All you need is find for yourself and existing denomination in your chosen religion to provide you the validation you need or you can always create your own denomination to suit your purpose. That is pretty much what your many Popes, GOs, imams, Bishops, Prophets, etc., have had to do.

What is this bull crap u wrote here....it's something dey worry u
How does this jargon answer my two questions? And where is the biblical basis for this rubbish u posted here

MaxInDHouse:
You may feel irritated but these are things happening around the world where people don't believe Abrahamic God!
Jesus commanded us to preach and teach people globally the things he taught us about God's Kingdom.

Our message will make no sense in the ears of these kind of people if we are into something similar to theirs so for us to be on the same page with our message we must stick to monogamy God's arrangement in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

My question is: is polygamy a sin from this scripture?
Give me the Bible quotation

FreeSpirited:
➜What is this bull crap u wrote here....it's something dey worry uHow does this jargon answer my two questions? And where is the biblical basis for this rubbish u posted here

Just as I suspected, you are only another religious gumba looking for religious justification for your brand of delusion! 🙄🙄🙄

Kobojunkie:
Just as I suspected, you are only another religious gumba looking for religious justification for your brand of delusion! 🙄🙄🙄

The question I asked in the post is obviously beyond your capacity to reason clearly and present convincingly.
Vomiting unrelated nonsense

FreeSpirited:
✓ The question I asked in the post is obviously beyond your capacity to reason clearly and present convincingly. Vomiting unrelated nonsense

Stop lying to yourself thinking you are lying to me! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

FreeSpirited:
My question is: is polygamy a sin from this scripture?
Give me the Bible quotation

YES!
It became a sin for whoever wants to get everlasting life through faith in Christ Jesus who told his listeners:

In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.” Matthew 19:4-6

All other forms of marriage is against God's will: polygamy, polyandry, gay, lesbian, bestiality all came after man's fall.

So in the beginning God created one man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) so it's this arrangement we are returning to in Paradise whoever is not satisfied with this arrangement is not fit for everlasting life in Paradise!

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
It became a sin for whoever wants to get everlasting life through faith in Christ Jesus who told his listeners:

In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.” Matthew 19:4-6

All other forms of marriage is against God's will: polygamy, polyandry, gay, lesbian, bestiality all came after man's fall.

So in the beginning God created one man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) so it's this arrangement we are returning to in Paradise whoever is not satisfied with this arrangement is not fit for everlasting life in Paradise!

All other forms of marriage is against God's will? Which scripture tells you polygamy is against GOD'S WILL?
.....does Against God's will also mean sin? If So...Why did God and Paul made this statements?

1. Lev.18.2 - "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.4 - You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.8 - "'Do not have sexual relations with your FATHER'S WIFE; that would dishonor your father.
Lev.18.11 - "'Do not have sexual relations with the DAUGHTER OF YOUR FATHER'S WIFE, born to your father; she is your sister.
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God told Moses to tell Israel to obey his laws and decree.... about these sexual laws which includes:
1. A man must not have sex with his Father's wife......... doesn't this mean that God expects a man can have another wife aside the first just as many servants of God had in the Bible?
Note that...Father's wife doesn't mean mother cos sex with Mother was clearly spelt out in preceding verse....

2. God also said do not have sex wit daughter of your father's wife..... This means God doesn't see it as a sin for a man to have a daughter born by different woman who is a wife......what do you have to say?

Note that it was God himself speaking to Moses about his law that must be obeyed and sexual sin they must not commit (read verse 1-4 saying
Was God mistaken about his law....and what he terms as sin? That u believe it has now changed in new testament to thou shall not have any daughter outside ur first wife?

StillDtruth:
First, not at the same time for his first wife left on her own and not that he went looking for a 2nd wife to add to her as you greedy people do

Then secondly, he got the permission of God Who saw why his first wife was leaving and unlike everyone else, He saw God directly, "friend to friend" style.

That is why your Catholic church is right in saying you need God to be present to get a divorce.

Why do u just pick one scenario to justify that Abraham dint have two wives when countless cases of servants of God having multiple wives abound....doesn't this make u narrow minded and cherry picking scriptures?
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David has many wives.....and God said if he needed more he would have given him instead of taking another man's wife....how about that?.....

How about 1 Samuel 1 v 1 ...that says there was a man called Elkannah who had two wives....boldly written o....and Bible still says he's righteous/devoted. U guys seems to be more righteous than those men....

FreeSpirited:
All other forms of marriage is against God's will? Which scripture tells you polygamy is against GOD'S WILL?
.....[b]does Against God's will also mean sin? [/b]If So...Why did God and Paul made this statements?

1. Lev.18.2 - "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.4 - You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
Lev.18.8 - "'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.
Lev.18.11 - "'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
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God told Moses to tell Israel to obey his laws and decree.....And this sexual laws includes that
A. a man must not have sex with his Father's wife......... doesn't this mean that God expects a man can have another wife aside the first just as many servants of God had in the Bible?
Note that...Father's wife doesn't mean mother cos sex with Mother was clearly spelt out in preceding verse....

2. God also said do not have sex wit daughter of your father's wife..... This means God doesn't see it as a sin for a man to have a daughter born by different woman who is a wife......what do you have to say?

Note that it was God himself speaking to Moses about his law that must be obeyed and sexual sin they must not commit (read verse 1-4 saying

"does Against God's will also mean sin?" Yes

God's Will is expressed via His Laws. So when you see God's Law or Command, you see His Will.

Secondly, the Laws in Leviticus 18 are the Laws of sexual abominations which people do, even today.

So they are only pointing out the sexual abominations a person must not do.

But if you want to see the laws barring polygamy they are contained in several parts of the Bible which I dropped in the threads I showed you. Eg Deuteronomy 17:17 do not multiply wives.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Every argument that people like you could make was done there and in the end they did not stand because I showed them the Laws they must break to do polygamy.

Ezra 10:3
[3] Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to
put away all the wives, and such as are born of them (exactly what Abraham did when he made the mistake of taking wives after Sarah's death,) according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

StillDtruth:
"does Against God's will also mean sin?" Yes

God's Will is expressed via His Laws. So when you see God's Law or Command, you see His Will.

Secondly, the Laws in Leviticus 18 are the Laws of sexual abominations which people do, even today.

So they are only pointing out the sexual abominations a person must not do.

But if you want to see the laws barring polygamy they are contained in several parts of the Bible which I dropped in the threads I showed you. Eg Deuteronomy 17:17 do not multiply wives.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Every argument that people like you could make was done there and in the end they did not stand because I showed them the Laws they must break to do polygamy.

Ezra 10:3
[3] Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to
put away all the wives, and such as are born of them (exactly what Abraham did when he made the mistake of taking wives after Sarah's death, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

Ezra 10:3
Now you have misinterpreted Ezra 10v 3.........Those guys decided within themselves to put away STRANGE WIVES BORN OF WOMEN FROM IDOLATROUS TRIBE.......Ezra 9 also said same thing , Ezra 10 v 2 says same thing.......u guys are so self righteous, cunny and terrible the way u misinterpret scriptures..........
So it has nothing to do with marrying two Israelite women.. definitely men who had multiple Israeli women din't separate..simple!

Deuteronomy 17 v 17 was talking about a king having MANY WIVES. of course 2 or 3 wives does not imply many, because some translation says 'build a harem'....which means many women.....so this does not in any way negate 2 or 3 wives cos that isnt many like case of 8, 10, 15


Lev.18.8 - "'Do not have sexual relations with your FATHER'S WIFE; that would dishonor your father.
Lev.18.11 - "'Do not have sexual relations with the DAUGHTER OF YOUR FATHER'S WIFE, born to your father; she is your sister

Why din't u comment on the bolded since it was a law God was spelling out to Isrealites
Comment on it and prove that it doesn't mean a man having another wife

FreeSpirited:
All other forms of marriage is against God's will? Which scripture tells you polygamy is against GOD'S WILL?
.....does Against God's will also mean sin? If So...Why did God and Paul made this statements?

All you need is a Bible study!

What God instituted is a man and a woman it's after man's fall that people began doing what they want and God allowed them to learn the hard way from experience.
Well throughout the scriptures there is no peaceful polygamous home it has always been trouble here and there you too can try to mention one polygamist in the Bible who never had troubles due to polygamy.
So when Jesus was talking about a haven where there will no sorrow, no tears, no pain, no enmity he told us that marriage in Paradise we must return to the divine arrangement which is one man one woman.
I know people like you will keep on asking for written code instead of doing what you know (in your heart) is good for everyone but learn today that in the New Covenant Christ wrote his laws in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-33

Would you like your dad to marry a second wife in addition to your mum?

Would you like your daughter to marry a polygamist?

Would you like your sister to marry a polygamist?

Of course the simple answer to all these is capital NO!

So if you want what is good for you and members of your own family why would you anticipate something else for others? Matthew 7:12

MaxInDHouse:
All you need is a Bible study!

What God instituted is a man and a woman it's after man's fall that people began doing what they want and God allowed them to learn the hard way from experience.
Well throughout the scriptures there is no peaceful polygamous home it has always been trouble here and there you too can try to mention one polygamist in the Bible who never had troubles due to polygamy.
So when Jesus was talking about a haven where there will no sorrow, no tears, no pain, no enmity he told us that marriage in Paradise we must return to the divine arrangement which is one man one woman.
I know people like you will keep on asking for written code instead of doing what you know (in your heart) is good for everyone but learn today that in the New Covenant Christ wrote his laws in our hearts! Jeremiah 31:31-33

Would you like your dad to marry a second wife in addition to your mum?

Would you like your daughter to marry a polygamist?

Would you like your sister to marry a polygamist?

Of course the simple answer to all these is capital NO!

So if you want what is good for you and members of your own family why would you anticipate something else for others? Matthew 7:12

All these ones na self righteouness and story from ur mind......
For this reason a man will cleave with his wife and they will be one was not a saying by Christ
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It was GOD who instituted that saying......and after that, most men of God who worked with him were never deemed by God to have broken that saying for marrying 2 to 4 wives in the scriptures........And in hundreds of laws given to Moses, never did God for once says 2 wives contradict that saying.....why would u think Jesus would contradict it and make 2 wives Adultery? Jesus never brought any new law, Jesus only judged the intention and motive of men in their observance and judgement of the law. Obviously for the adulterous woman caught, Jesus judged the motive and intent of those Pharisees.....to realize they were also guilty of same sin they wanted to kill the woman for........so that's injustice according to CHRIST.
Oga u people are just self righteous and cherry picking the scriptures
One wife is perfect....but two or 3 wives was never a sin or Adultery...and theres a way u can marry second wife without ur adultery claims.....

FreeSpirited:
In hundreds of laws given to Moses, never did God for once says 2 wives contradict that saying.....why would u think Jesus would contradict it and make 2 wives Adultery?

This is what God told the Israelites about Christ:

I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name. Deuteronomy 18:18-19

God told His people that someone will later come to TEACH them in His name but the Jews rejected Jesus, do you know why?

Well it's because he said so many things that totally contradicts what they knew before as RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Peter confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is that promised prophet who is coming to teach them how to get to Paradise {Act 3:22} that's why the Christian congregation will not appoint any polygamist to lead or teach in Christianity:

The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach. 1Timothy 3:2

If there is any man free from accusation, a husband of one wife, having believing children who are not accused of debauchery or rebelliousness. Titus 1:6

I wouldn't have engage you if you aren't appealing to CHRISTIANS!