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engrelvis:
We v survive relegatiion? how?. There r still about 11 matches to play

The only reason United fans are assured that they have avoided relegation is because Soton;Leicester and Ipswich town are hopelessly incompetent teams and can't win a game to save their lives.
United will survive this season and could possibly play Champions league football next season if they manage to win the Europa league.
However I just can't see Amorim lasting at this football club. He will be found out and exposed next season when he has purportedly signed players to fit into his so called system.
He will probably be gone by January 2026. He is just too stubborn, too loqacious and technically poor to survive in this cut throat league. He could survive in the Portuguese league being rigid and refusing to compromise. I just can't see him surviving I'm the Premier league without being very flexible.

engrelvis:
We v survive relegatiion? how?. There r still about 11 matches to play

Lol. We are 16 points above relegation zone, i dont see any off the relegation zone teams getting up to 16 points befre the end of the season

CapitalCee:
Lol. We are 16 points above relegation zone, i dont see any off the relegation zone teams getting up to 16 points befre the end of the season

Ok.

Goosethetruth:
I just can't see him surviving I'm the Premier league without being very flexible.

flexible in/on what exactly?

ChristineC:
flexible in/on what exactly?

FORMATION.
No coach should rigidly insist on playing only one formation. Formations should be flexible to suit the peculiarities of each opponent.

People watching our games now think Amorim isn't flexible, very laughable..

So dorgu is Nigerian wow

No wonder he dey play like taiye taiwo

Only to run up and down


Patrick Chinazaekpere Dorgu

Goosethetruth:
FORMATION.
No coach should rigidly insist on playing only one formation. Formations should be flexible to suit the peculiarities of each opponent.

Hehehe.

I never see pep play 442.

Goosethetruth:
FORMATION.
No coach should rigidly insist on playing only one formation. Formations should be flexible to suit the peculiarities of each opponent.

you mean you've only seen one formation since Amorim joined United?
even this last game, Amorim used three formations from my observation 🤷
unless you want to say there's a particular formation or formations you want.

Goosethetruth:
FORMATION.
No coach should rigidly insist on playing only one formation. Formations should be flexible to suit the peculiarities of each opponent.

Interestingly, Sporting's latest manager has changed their formation, apparently using the same players he met on ground yet the team is still going strong.

Na God go help us for this club

Jamiuokolaa:
Interestingly, Sporting's latest manager has changed their formation, apparently using the same players he met on ground yet the team is still going strong.

Na God go help us for this club

When Amorim left Sporting, they were topping the table by more than 6pts, within that time frame, they dropped 16pts in the league but okay they are going strong. 😂 with Amorim in the league they played 11 games and they won all 11.

In the champions league, Amorim won 3 and 2 draw before he left, after leaving they lost all the remaining 3 matches and lost to Dortmund in the playoffs without scoring a single goal. All the 11pts Sporting has in the champions league were won by Amorim. When Amorim left Sporting, they were 2nd in the champions league table with 11pts, they end the league phase at 23rd with 11pts 😂

Truly they are going strong. 😂

Agenda no go allow you rest.

larride:
When Amorim left Sporting, they were topping the table by more than 6pts, within that time frame, they dropped 16pts in the league but okay they are going strong. 😂 with Amorim in the league they played 11 games and they won all 11.

In the champions league, Amorim won 3 and 2 draw before he left, after leaving they lost all the remaining 3 matches and lost to Dortmund in the playoffs without scoring a single goal. All the 11pts Sporting has in the champions league were won by Amorim. When Amorim left Sporting, they were 2nd in the champions league table with 11pts, they end the league phase at 23rd with 11pts 😂

Truly they are going strong. 😂

Agenda no go allow you rest.

You have missed the context of my post completely...

My initial post was about flexibility with tactics/formation and i clearly highlighted and posited that;

• Amorim left and the new coach took over with the same formation, and they struggled. If he came in and changed the pattern and it coincided with their struggles, people would probably attribute it to the new style.

• Another New Manager has taken over,switched things up and has been able to turn around the fortunes of the club...atleast compared to the previous coach

No be everything be agenda

Jamiuokolaa:
You have missed the context of my post completely...

My initial post was about flexibility with tactics/formation and i clearly highlighted and posited that;

• Amorim left and the new coach took over with the same formation, and they struggled. If he came in and changed the pattern and it coincided with their struggles, people would probably attribute it to the new style.

• Another New Manager has taken over,switched things up and has been able to turn around the fortunes of the club...atleast compared to the previous coach

No be everything be agenda

Ok. I agree with your last paragraph.

One thing you should note is that the coach they got was using the same 4-4-2 in Vitoria SC, it will be foolishness on his part to get to sporting and continue using 3-4-3 that he doesn’t know how to use. It was not tactical flexibility on Borges part, he switched to a formation he has been using.

The coach that took over after Amorim left Sporting was Sporting u18 coach though, guess the promotion was not needed at that time.


My point is that, a manager will always use a formation he’s comfortable with while tweaking it here and there but the idea remains the same. It’s insanity to hire a manager known for a certain style then start telling him to change that style, why get him in the first place.

Anyways all Amorim excuses will expire next season, he either shapes up or get booted out.

larride:
Ok. I agree with your last paragraph.

One thing you should note is that the coach they got was using the same 4-4-2 in Vitoria SC, it will be foolishness on his part to get to sporting and continue using 3-4-3 that he doesn’t know how to use. It was not tactical flexibility on Borges part, he switched to a formation he has been using.

The coach that took over after Amorim left Sporting was Sporting u18 coach though, guess the promotion was not needed at that time.


My point is that, a manager will always use a formation he’s comfortable with while tweaking it here and there but the idea remains the same. It’s insanity to hire a manager known for a certain style then start telling him to change that style, why get him in the first place.

Anyways all Amorim excuses will expire next season, he either shapes up or get booted out.

His preferred formation is still listed as 4-2-3-1 ; another testament to the flexibility we speak about, and to further drive home Goosentruth's initial point...

I am also uncomfortable with a manager that continually says he only knows one formation/setup but i think its not even time to focus on that just yet - even the one he claims to be an expert at, is yet to signal any iota of purpose and direction even after 23 games in charge!

If he eventually brings in his "own players" (probably not more than 4 additions if we are to be realistic) it would be with the assumption that they would hit the ground running while steering clear of injuries, fitness issues and unnecessary suspensions same way Dorgu is doing

A good manager should always be tactically flexible with his formation and how he sets up his team to play football. even Sir Alex Ferguson in all his glory never rigidly stuck to one single formation during his time at United.While I agree that every coach could have a favourite formation, the formation must be subject to adjustments occasionally. A coach who rigidly states that he can only play one system because that is all he knows is just setting himself up for failure.
So far the results under Amorim while applying this system has been far from satisfactory. Manchester United as a club and institutiion can not be at the bottom half of the premier league.Totally unacceptable.
i just wonder where the club is going to get funds to buy all the players needed to play this system to perfection This is a club that is currently pinching pennies and sacking the tea lady in the canteen and the cleaners in the toilets. In the end Amorim is going to have to make do with some of these players he has been claiming can not play to his system.I really wish Amorim succeeds at Manchester United but I sincerely worry about what will happen next season when he will be held accountable fully for results.

But it's said here that Amorim has used at least 2 different formations. I don't know how many more they want to see before he begins to look flexible?

ChristineC:
you mean you've only seen one formation since Amorim joined United?
even this last game, Amorim used three formations from my observation 🤷
unless you want to say there's a particular formation or formations you want.

Dantedasz:
A good manager should always be tactically flexible with his formation and how he sets up his team to play football. even Sir Alex Ferguson in all his glory never rigidly stuck to one single formation during his time at United.While I agree that everry coach could have a favourite formation, the formation must be subject to adjustments occasionally. A coach who rigidly states that he can only play one systembecause that is all he knows is just setting himself up for failure.
So far the results under Amorim while applying this system has been far from satisfactiory. Manchester United as a club and institutuiion can not be at the bottom half of the premier league.Totally unacceptable.
i just wonder where the club is going to get funds to buy all the players needed to play this system to perfection This is a club that is currently pinching pennies and sacking the tea lady in the canteen and the cleaners in the toilets. In the end Amorim is going to have to make do with some of these players he has been claiming can not play to his system.I really wish Amorim suceeds at Manchester United but I sincerely worry about what will happen next season when he wilkl be held accountable fully for results.

You're dwelling on the formation too much and that's preventing you from seeing a lot of things. We're always going to end up in this position with the kind of player investment the club has had in the last couple of years. We were not playing 343 before we began sliding down the table from last season till ETH was sacked. There are basic things our players should be able to do regardless of formation, which they're terribly failing on a daily basis. A change of formation is not going to make any difference. We're always going to hang around the middle table with the players we have. We may look better if a player like Rashford or Bruno burst into some sort of form, but that will just be covering the rottenness of the team because that form will end and the true state of the team will become very visible

Go and get your tactical flexible coach that will use the gbefs we have as players

Is it Amorim's fault that the club is broke?

Two seasons ago, Rashford picked up form after world cup and was scoring regularly even when we were playing rubbish. Towards the end of the season, he lost the form and we started dropping points. We went from being comfortable in the top 4 to securing top 4 on the last day. Immediately he lost that form,the whole team became very visibly rubbish. Last season we ended in 8th I think and we still didn't address some key positions in the team. Only Ugarte and De Ligt signing looked like they were addressing some specific problem. We struggled to create chances and score goals in the last couple of years, but they brought in Hojlund and Zirkzee. We're lucky Amad picked up form if not we'll definitely be much closer to the bottom 3. And we're acting surprised by our recent displays and position? How?

eph12:
Two seasons ago, Rashford picked up form after world cup and was scoring regularly even when we were playing rubbish. Towards the end of the season, he lost the form and we started dropping points. We went from being comfortable in the top 4 to securing top 4 on the last day. Immediately he lost that form,the whole team became very visibly rubbish. Last season we ended in 8th I think and we still didn't address some key positions in the team. Only Ugarte and De Ligt signing looked like they were addressing some specific problem. We struggled to create chances and score goals in the last couple of years, but they brought in Hojlund and Zirkzee. We're lucky Amad picked up form if not we'll definitely be much closer to the bottom 3. And we're acting surprised by our recent displays and position? How?

We can't score. That's our major problem. No creator, no finisher. Our defenders scored our goals against Ipswich. Our attackers couldn't even manage to grab goals against a lowly rated team like that and they are talking about flexibility.

Make couch dey bear problem wey no be him own.

Make them just sack am so he can rest

Just look at the squad, look at our attackers and see if you won't burst into laugh

CapitalCee:
Lol. We are 16 points above relegation zone, i dont see any off the relegation zone teams getting up to 16 points befre the end of the season

We’re also about 16 points from top 4

Glass half full half empty kinda thing

odizeey:
We can't score. That's our major problem. No creator, no finisher. Our defenders scored our goals against Ipswich. Our attackers couldn't even manage to grab goals against a lowly rated team like that and they are talking about flexibility.

Make couch dey bear problem wey no be him own.

Make them just sack am so he can rest

Hopefully we can get Moyes back so he can do his magic with some bunch of useless players, then we sack him again. I can just imagine the club approaching someone like Pep and he will just burst into laugh when he looks at the state of the squad

eph12:
Hopefully we can get Moyes back so he can do his magic with some bunch of useless players, then we sack him again. I can just imagine the club approaching someone like Pep and he will just burst into laugh when he looks at the state of the squad

😀😀

Only Moyes calibre of coaches will accept continuing with this team at this point. 😀

The number of excuses being made for Ruben Amorim and his glaring failure is quite amusing. Amorim was brought in to repair the poor form of this team under Eric Ten Hag and so far he has been failing woefully and talkative Amorim has broken all number of records in failure at this club and he should be called out.
People criticise the players as not being good enough to play the system but is it the players that make Amorim to be so locquacious, talkative and brash in the press while consistently throwing his team under the bus?
As I have said before Amorim keeps on giving me Andre Villas Boas vibes and everybody knows how that saga at Chelsea ended,

odizeey:
😀😀

Only Moyes calibre of coaches will accept continuing with this team at this point. 😀

Do you think Amorim will resign if the club cannot get him good players next season?

Goosethetruth:
The number of excuses being made for Ruben Amorim and his glaring failure is quite amusing. Amorim was brought in to repair the poor form of this team under Eric Ten Hag and so far he has been failing woefully and talkative Amorim has broken all number of records in failure at this club and he should be called out.
People criticise the players as not being good enough to play the system but is it the players that make Amorim to be so locquacious, talkative and brash in the press while consistently throwing his team under the bus?
As I have said before Amorim keeps on giving me Andre Villas Boas vibes and everybody knows how that saga at Chelsea ended,

These are not the qualities that define a good coach. Mourinho is worse than Amorim in these terms yet he is a top top football coach.

TrebleChamp:
Do you think Amorim will resign if the club cannot get him good players next season?

Resign and leave money?
Takes a whole lot of principles and annoyance to do that.

Most of the people accusing Amorim of formation rigidity are only doing so because 3atb feels alien to them. Or they think that it’s inferior.

We’ve played numerous midfield formations under several coaches but no one has a problem with that.

As long as you can build from the back, retain possession under pressure, maintain pressure around the opponents’ box until you score, defend well in every game phase, and can transition into quick counter attacks, whatever formation you use is immaterial.

Goosethetruth:
The number of excuses being made for Ruben Amorim and his glaring failure is quite amusing. Amorim was brought in to repair the poor form of this team under Eric Ten Hag and so far he has been failing woefully and talkative Amorim has broken all number of records in failure at this club and he should be called out.
People criticise the players as not being good enough to play the system but is it the players that make Amorim to be so locquacious, talkative and brash in the press while consistently throwing his team under the bus?
As I have said before Amorim keeps on giving me Andre Villas Boas vibes and everybody knows how that saga at Chelsea ended,

If they wanted quick fixes they should have gone for Moyes. He has over 20 years of experience

odizeey:
We can't score. That's our major problem. No creator, no finisher. Our defenders scored our goals against Ipswich. Our attackers couldn't even manage to grab goals against a lowly rated team like that and they are talking about flexibility.

Make couch dey bear problem wey no be him own.

Make them just sack am so he can rest

You have Bruno, eriksen, casemiro yet you say no creator. The way some fans talk atimes sef makes me wonder if they know football