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I totally agree with this comment but till that happens, US wouldn’t take it that there aren’t self sufficient.

Goke7:
How self-sufficient is the US? A country that is highly subsidized by the rest of the world is it not the minerals that Trump is after? The US will soon find out it doesn't even hold all the aces. That's how the UK thought it was self-sufficient until Brexit happened- just let the US continue in their folly.

Zahra29:
Agreed, North Korea will never. It has given 12000 soldiers to Russia, 3000 of whom have already been killed, and is sending more troops. Its military spending is huge for such a poor country.

Iran's nuclear program was under control until Biden loosened sanctions on them and they had more financial capital to fund it. They need a very firm hand on them to stop, or at least slow down, its expansion. I'm not a fan of Iran becoming a nuclear power.

I believed in non proliferation of nukes so I was against the likes of Iran, NK or others from obtaining nukes. But given the Ukraine hopelessness, I now support nukes for everyone. Iran should have it and other countries who want it should get it.

Not so soon my friend 🙂

Kenn55:
What made the US powerful is that the west collectively accepted her leadership. This is why effort to dethrone the dollar spearheaded by this same Russia and China hasn't succeeded. The dollar will be gone once the west decides to switch away from it and I can see it happening very soon.

Lol since this is a UK forum. Let’s ask ourselves the question. Is the Uk in the right financial state to be sending aids and receiving Ukrainian refugees?

Hope you don’t mind sharing your thoughts to why you don’t want Iran to becoming a nuclear power?

Zahra29:
Agreed, North Korea will never. It has given 12000 soldiers to Russia, 3000 of whom have already been killed, and is sending more troops. Its military spending is huge for such a poor country.

Iran's nuclear program was under control until Biden loosened sanctions on them and they had more financial capital to fund it. They need a very firm hand on them to stop, or at least slow down, its expansion. I'm not a fan of Iran becoming a nuclear power.

AgentXxx:
Lol since this is a UK forum. Let’s ask ourselves the question. Is the Uk in the right financial state to be sending aids and receiving Ukrainian refugees?

How are we sure the UK too doesn't have eyes on the minerals in Ukraine? We should start from there cos, from what I have seen and know, the West does no charity but is always transactional. They don't send aids anywhere for nothing.

Kenn55:
I believed in non proliferation of nukes so I was against the likes of Iran, NK or others from obtaining nukes. But given the Ukraine hopelessness, I now support nukes for everyone. Iran should have it and other countries who want it should get it.

Ukraine is the victim and is entitled to nuclear weapons to protect itself from a relentless oppressor.

I am not opposed to nuclear weapons as a defense strategy, however the likes of Russia, NK, Iran are antagonists who are more likely to misuse their weapons

AgentXxx:
Let’s agreed on what Russian did but the claim that the WEST are suppose to do something is hilarious. Hasn’t the WEST been doing the same thing indirectly with other countries. The WEST aren’t in the best position to be moral judges. Tbh, we need to accept the new world we are now. The Powerful would oppress the Weak. Let everyone harm themselves up to be powerful so as to be respected which is what India has been doing. A recent example is Netanyahu . What has the WEST done to him? 🙄

The West (including Russia who was an ally at the time) came together to stop Hitler's deadly takeover of Europe. So it's not hilarious to expect Western allies to come to one another's aid especially when they know that they are next in line if they fail to stop an advancing enemy.

To the bolded, Ukraine used to be armed with nuclear weapons. Russia and the west signed a treaty with them and persuaded them to give up their nuclear arsenal in exchange for protections and respect for their sovereignty.

Guess who reneged on the deal years later and attacked them without provocation? That's right , the same country that you expect Ukraine to enter into another peace agreement with without solid backing from the US and other countries.

Would you seriously do the same if you were in their shoes? You would happily sign up to played again like Booboo the fool?

You still don’t get my point . I am not blaming Ukraine but based on the reality at hand, it can’t survive on the war on its own at this moment. And the WEST and Russia plus China are birds of same feather. It is only you people who have big hope on the WEST that surprise me 😂.

Lastly the world that came together against hitler isn’t the current t world we are now. We are now in a world of self centred and greedy countries.

Zahra29:
The West (including Russia who was an ally at the time) came together to stop Hitler's deadly takeover of Europe. So it's not hilarious to expect Western allies to come to one another's aid especially when they know that they are next in line if they fail to stop an advancing enemy.

To the bolded, Ukraine used to be armed with nuclear weapons. Russia and the west signed a treaty with them and persuaded them to give up their nuclear arsenal in exchange for protections and respect for their sovereignty.

Guess who reneged on the deal years later and attacked them without provocation? That's right , the same country that you expect Ukraine to enter into another agreement with without solid backing from the US and other countries.

Would you seriously do the same if you were in their shoes?

Hmmm🤔 you are damn right. That is why it’s funny seeing people think the WEST is morally upright when they are just the same as China and Russia except that they hid their vampire nature.

Goke7:
How are we sure the UK too doesn't have eyes on the minerals in Ukraine? We should start from there cos, from what I have seen and know, the West does no charity but is always transactional. They don't send aids anywhere for nothing.

AgentXxx:
You still don’t get my point . I am not blaming Ukraine but based on the reality at hand, it can’t survive on the war on its own at this moment. And the WEST and Russia plus China are birds of same feather. It is only you people who have big hope on the WEST that surprise me 😂.

Lastly the world that came together against hitler isn’t the current t world we are now. We are now in a world of self centred and greedy countries.

The world might be selfish and greedy but we're not all going around in 2025 invading and conquering weaker nations. Only a handful of countries are.

No one expects Ukraine to win on its own. Russia is relying on support from North Korea and China to prosecute its war. The US asked the UK for support when they invaded Iraq etc. War is always a collaborative effort.

European countries need to step up and do more. Hopefully Trump will see sense and put his ego aside and enter into reasonable negotiations with both parties if they really want enduring peace.

Keep living in your Utopia 🙂… weeks, months and years to come would reveal more to the world we are now. If someone like Netanyahu still walks free, why won’t Putin not to walk free and do as he likes. Biased love for Ukraine but not Palestine.

Zahra29:
The world might be selfish and greedy but we're not all going around in 2025 invading and conquering weaker nations. Only a handful of countries are.

No one expects Ukraine to win on its own. Russia is relying on support from North Korea and China to prosecute its war. The US asked the UK for support when they invaded Iraq etc. War is always a collaborative effort.

European countries need to step up and do more. Hopefully Trump will see sense and put his ego aside and enter into reasonable negotiations with both parties if they really want enduring peace.

AgentXxx:
Keep living in your Utopia 🙂… weeks, months and years to come would reveal more to the world we are now. If someone like Netanyahu still walks free, why won’t Putin not to walk free and do as he likes. Biased love for Ukraine but not Palestine.

This comment makes little sense, sorry.

What has Palestine to do with this discussion?

I haven't mentioned Putin being arrested or tried for war crimes.

However I have repeatedly said that I don't blame Z for seeking security guarantees against future invasion, given Putin's previous form.

Zahra29:
Agreed. Russia is no real friend, ask Assad who enjoyed Putin's support until it was no longer expedient to him.

There are reports that China's and Russia's intelligence agencies are stealthily recruiting US Federal employees who have recently been fired or at risk. No doubt looking to leverage on their disgruntlement with Trump's adminstration. Soviet spies loading....

To the bolded, Ukraine actually had nuclear weapons but in 1994 it signed up to a treaty with Russia and the West (including the US) to transfer these weapons to Russia in exchange for security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty. A few years later, Russia, who was one of the parties in the agreement, invaded Ukraine and hasn't stopped.

This is what lead to what happened yesterday, Trump and his VP invited Ukrainian president to sign a deal for exchange for security but when he got to US Trump and his team changed their mind and refused to include security as part of the deal, Zelensky refused to sign the deal and that angered Trump and his team...that anger was what we witnessed yesterday.

Guess who will benefit from the mineral deal? Musk, Tesla battery needs the mineral material and he was pushing behind the scene to get the deal done.

justwise:
This is what lead to what happened yesterday, Trump and his VP invited Ukrainian president to sign a deal for exchange for security but when he got to US Trump and his team changed their mind and refused to include security as part of the deal, Zelensky refused to sign the deal and that angered Trump and his team...that anger was what we witnessed yesterday.

Guess who will benefit from the mineral deal? Musk, Tesla battery needs the mineral material and he was pushing behind the scene to get the deal done.

Imagine, Trump's view is that they don't need to guarantee security because Putin respects him and would not dare attack if he, Trump, asked them not to 🙄

How naive.

I don't even mind that the US stands to benefit heavily from the mineral deal. That's life and it's understandable that they want some of their money back. But Ukraine needs that security backstop because Putin is inherently dishonest and sneaky. He would attack US mining companies in Ukraine and then blame Ukrainian forces/militants.

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If Trump fails to secure the mineral deal, then Russia will likely advance and will appropriate the rare minerals and the US will massively lose money and lose face as well.

This is what Putin is playing for and when Trump calms down he will see that he also has a lot to lose , and this is what will bring him back to the negotiation table.

You don’t have to be sorry for it. You could have ignored but since you replied then it did make sense enough for you to reply 😂. Hyprocrisy at its peak 🙌🏾

Zahra29:
This comment makes little sense, sorry.

What has Palestine to do with this discussion?

I haven't mentioned Putin being arrested or tried for war crimes.

However I have repeatedly said that I don't blame Z for seeking security guarantees against future invasion, given Putin's previous form.

As long as Palestine doesn’t get freed, Ukraine should join the list of the countries being taken over by oppressors.

Everyone would be using up much energy with Ukraine invasion which started in 2014 but become mute with the invasion of Palestine which has been on since 1948. 😂

AgentXxx:
Keep living in your Utopia 🙂… weeks, months and years to come would reveal more to the world we are now. If someone like Netanyahu still walks free, why won’t Putin not to walk free and do as he likes. Biased love for Ukraine but not Palestine.

Agent you are right Ukraine is toast without support from America first then other Europeans.... The Neto people are screening up and down is America. Without America there is no NATO. Europe should be humble and grateful..... Big Don Trump has come to Cain the naughty Europeans. Free lunch is over

Exactly!!! Let them moan all they want and go and help Ukraine alone 😂

wallg123:
Agent you are right Ukraine is toast without support from America first then other Europeans.... The Neto people are screening up and down is America. Without America there is no NATO. Europe should be humble and grateful..... Big Don Trump has come to Cain the naughty Europeans. Free lunch is over

AgentXxx:
You don’t have to be sorry for it. You could have ignored but since you replied then it did make sense enough for you to reply 😂. Hyprocrisy at its peak 🙌🏾

This comment makes even less sense 😂

Let's agree to disagree #peace

AgentXxx:
As long as Palestine doesn’t get freed, Ukraine should join the list of the countries being taken over by oppressors.

Everyone would be using up much energy with Ukraine invasion which started in 2014 but become mute with the invasion of Palestine which has been on since 1948. 😂

If hamas did not cross the border to kidnap hundreds and kill over 1,000 israeli civilian, they would have probably been some sympathy.

There is already a lot of resentment to israeli treatment of palestinians even in the west but no leader would justify what hamas did in the west.

The ukranian army did not cross the boundary to kill 1,000 russian civilians and kidnap 100s provoking a war, notwistanding that russia had annex regions bigger than the entire palestine since 2014.

Big difference!

Zahra29:
Imagine, Trump's view is that they don't need to guarantee security because Putin respects him and would not dare attack if he, Trump, asked them not to 🙄

How naive.

I don't even mind that the US stands to benefit heavily from the mineral deal. That's life and it's understandable that they want some of their money back. But Ukraine needs that security backstop because Putin is inherently dishonest and sneaky. He would attack US mining companies in Ukraine and then blame Ukrainian forces/militants.

Exactly!! when i first read about this deal on BBC website and the demand for security i thought it will never work because Trump will not be willing to harm his friend Putin.

They wanted to shout down Zelensky, force him to sign the deal and dude refused to be intimidated behind close doors and in front of the press, their massive egos got smashed then you started hearing stupid stuff like...have you said thank to the president today? I made you a tough guy, you don't have the card, you are not a tough guy without America.... bla bla bla

This is a failed robbery

The Nukes that people are saying Ukraine gave up was owned by the soviet union. Who is the backbone of the soviet union ?. Russia.. .. Ukraine never had the capability to develop nukes. Russia took back what she kept in Ukraine when it was the soviet union. You guys should stop spinning tails and dive into history.... History before the Crimean wars. History before the invasion of Russia by Napoleon and then by Hitler... All attempts to invade Russia has failed.... It's also laughable saying NK were fighting along side the Russians (sky news and BBC punchlines). .. instead of arguing without end you guys should provide solutions for the coke head Zelensky

So Hamas have been the one crossing border since 1948 or Is it not Isreal who came to invade them? 😂. What did the world do before then? Tell them to give up a part of their land. Let Ukraine also give part of their land that Russian wants

Atk1nson:
If hamas did not cross the border to kidnap hundreds and kill over 1,000 israeli civilian, they would have probably been some sympathy.

There is already a lot of resentment to israeli treatment of palestinians even in the west but no leader would justify what hamas did in the west.

The ukranian army did not cross the boundary to kill 1,000 russian civilians and kidnap 100s provoking a war, notwistanding that russia had annex regions bigger than the entire palestine since 2014.

Big difference!

wallg123:
The Nukes that people are saying Ukraine gave up was owned by the soviet union. Who is the backbone of the soviet union ?. Russia.. .. Ukraine never had the capability to develop nukes. Russia took what she kept the the deposit if Ukraine. You guys should stop spinning tails and dive into history.... History before the Crimean wars. History before the invasion of Russia by Napoleon and then by Hitler... All attempts to invade Russia has failed.... It's also laughable saying NK were fighting along side the Russians (sky news and BBC punchlines). .. instead of arguing without end you guys should provide solutions for the coke head Zelensky

Coke head? Wow, says it all really.

AgentXxx:
So Hamas have been the one crossing border since 1948 or Is it not Isreal who came to invade them? 😂. What did the world do before then? Tell them to give up a part of their land. Let Ukraine also give part of their land that Russian wants

Help me ask oh ....

Donald Trump is one individual who makes loads of senseless comments and he is the president one the greatest nation in the world US. Jokes on you 😂

Zahra29:
This comment makes even less sense 😂

Let's agree to disagree #peace

Zahra29:
Coke head? Wow, says it all really.

Unfortunately you wont hear this on MSNBC or BBC.

What solution does he have? He became a lab rat for the WEST practical 😂…. Push him to fight Russia, back him for sometime and then pull off the support. 😂

wallg123:
The Nukes that people are saying Ukraine gave up was owned by the soviet union. Who is the backbone of the soviet union ?. Russia.. .. Ukraine never had the capability to develop nukes. Russia took back what she kept in Ukraine when it was the soviet union. You guys should stop spinning tails and dive into history.... History before the Crimean wars. History before the invasion of Russia by Napoleon and then by Hitler... All attempts to invade Russia has failed.... It's also laughable saying NK were fighting along side the Russians (sky news and BBC punchlines). .. instead of arguing without end you guys should provide solutions for the coke head Zelensky

AgentXxx:
So Hamas have been the one crossing border since 1948 or Is it not Isreal who came to invade them? 😂. What did the world do before then? Tell them to give up a part of their land. Let Ukraine also give part of their land that Russian wants

You dont get the point or refuse to acknowledge it. both countries have similar problems whether from 1948 or from 2014 , the difference is hamas chose a different path from ukraine.

If the ukranian army had crossed the border during the cold phase of the dispute, kidnapping 100s and killing a thousand more in their home, they would not have found the international support they did.

AgentXxx:
Donald Trump is one individual who makes loads of senseless comments and he is the president one the greatest nation in the world US. Jokes on you 😂

👌🏿I never thought there would come a time where a peace maker would be shamed and war mongers would be cherished.. Starmer is proposing sending troops to Ukraine as if the UK has an army... A lot of foreign fighter have been killed in this war especially from Poland, Colombia, UK and US and yet you guys are obsessed with imaginary NK soldiers.

Oga you are the one refusing to get the point. Do you think Ukraine wouldn’t do the same or worse if it have to endure Russian oppression for about 60years and only thing the WEST is telling it is to give up its land with no support to help it claim its land?

Atk1nson:
You dont get the point or refuse to acknowledge it. both countries have similar problems whether from 1948 or from 2014 , the difference is hamas chose a different path from ukraine.

If the ukranian army had crossed the border during the cold phase of the dispute, kidnapping 100s and killing a thousand more in their home, they would not have found the international support they did.