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Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 5:58pm On Mar 13, 2025
Kingsempires:
but what makes Mohammed own different from the order prophets ?
He is the final and last messenger we follow. The Children of Israel were to follow Jesus during his time.
And Allah ordered us specifically to send blessings on him!

Why did you lie earlier?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 5:59pm On Mar 13, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
How many Arabian friends do you have?

Because this interpretation is from an Arabian not what your alfas said o.
In fact he further said all those people whose names are written in the Bible as God's prophets has been blessed already but as for Muhammad they are not sure because it's in his own book that his name is written! undecided
Where can we find this in the Qur'an or Sunnah if it is not a lie?

You sabi Islam is the text and not necessary what someone said!

You lied!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 6:05pm On Mar 13, 2025
Antichristian2:
Exactly! cool
my Jesus is not a Muslim. Stop dragging Christianity into your devilish occultic religion
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05pm On Mar 13, 2025
Antichristian2:
Where can we find this in the Qur'an or Sunnah if it is not a lie?
You sabi Islam is the text and not necessary what someone said!
You lied!
A lie can easily be defused if you want to why is it that nobody not even the Jews think of praying for their prophets who have gone not to talk of those claiming Christians today but you Muslims always pray for Muhammad, his family and his disciples?

That alone has shown that what my friend told me is the absolute truth about those phrases! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 9:02am On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
You still don't get it.

Where did Noah come from? Who also came from there for him to be a Prophet. There must be a precedent Prophet from a place for another Prophet to come from there according to you.

Anyways, Ishmael is a Prophet in Islam and he's the ancestor of the Prophet. He and Abraham did worshipped at the Kaaba when its foundation was raised.
Noah was an Hebrew that came from Saudi Arabia as he also circumbulated the shrine of kaaba half naked same way Muhammad did and also he prayed to allah while facing kaaba's direction!

Tell us where Noah came from and stop asking me jamb question!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:07am On Mar 14, 2025
RightChannel:
Noah was an Hebrew that came from Saudi Arabia as he also circumbulated the shrine of kaaba half naked same way Muhammad did and also he prayed to allah while facing kaaba's direction!

Tell us where Noah came from and stop asking me jamb question!
You asked the JAMB question first by saying there should a prophet from a place before another Prophet would come from there.

So tell us which Prophet preceded Abraham and Noah from their respective places?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:11am On Mar 14, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
A lie can easily be defused if you want to why is it that nobody not even the Jews think of praying for their prophets who have gone not to talk of those claiming Christians today but you Muslims always pray for Muhammad, his family and his disciples?

That alone has shown that what my friend told me is the absolute truth about those phrases! smiley
We pray for all the Prophets by saying "peace be upon him"!

We greet one another with the same Peace! Assalamu alaikum - Peace be upon you!

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all.

You and your friend still remain liars!

Anyways, it is confirmed you were so ignorant in Islam back then and even now!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 9:19am On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
You asked the JAMB question first by saying there should a prophet from a place before another Prophet would come from there.

So tell us which Prophet preceded Abraham and Noah from their respective places?
I didn't asked you anything question or jamb past question, this is what I said



RightChannel:
You didn't get my point

Islam is an Arabic culture as ONLY Muhammad came from Saudi Arabia, only him worshipped allah as a prophet, only him circumbulated and worship kaaba and many more! No other prophet worshipped kaaba and performed hajj to Saudi Arabia, no other prophet prayed to allah while facing the direction of qibla!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 9:49am On Mar 14, 2025
delkuf:
my Jesus is not a Muslim. Stop dragging Christianity into your devilish occultic religion
Was he a Christian or a Jewish man?

Give us your proofs no be by emotions and abuse?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 10:00am On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Was he a Christian or a Jewish man?

Give us your proofs no be by emotions and abuse?
Jesus was a Christian. It was the way he lived that people saw in the disciples that make the call the disciples Christ like- Christian. I think I have told you this before. Christianity emancipated from people seeing Christ in the disciples. That is what Christianity is all about. When someone look at you and say this is behaving like Jesus.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 10:03am On Mar 14, 2025
RightChannel:
I didn't asked you anything question or jamb past question, this is what I said
That's the JAMB question!

I get your point!

Islam is the culture of Naoh's people as ONLY Noah came from his place of origin, only him worshipped Allah as a prophet, only him call people to Allah for many years and saved people in the Ark during the flood! No other prophet saved people through a flood!

Islam is also the culture of Abraham's people as ONLY Abraham came from his place of origin, only him worshipped Allah as a prophet, only him and his son build, circumbulated and worship in and around the kaaba and many more!

This can be framed for many other Prophets too!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 10:05am On Mar 14, 2025
delkuf:
Jesus was a Christian. It was the way he lived that people saw in the disciples that make the call the disciples Christ like- Christian. I think I have told you this before. Christianity emancipated from people seeing Christ in the disciples. That is what Christianity is all about. When someone look at you and say this is behaving like Jesus.
If Jesus is a Christian, then show us where he called himself such?

Define a Christian and show us how Jesus fits in!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 10:31am On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
If Jesus is a Christian, then show us where he called himself such?

Define a Christian and show us how Jesus fits in!
i have explain Christianity to you. You just don't want to accept the truth. We cannot be going back and forth on this. Christianity is living like Christ. People saw Christ in the disciples that why they call them Christ like-christian. There is no where it was written expressly that Jesus is a Christian if that is what you want. But Christian came out from Christ.
Jesus fit into Christianity because it was his behavior they saw in the disciples that make them call them Christian. The disciples lived like Christ. Talked like him and even performed miracles like him. I don't know what else you need to proof that Jesus was indeed Christianity. Without Jesus there is no Christianity. Stop hiding and except the truth.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:44am On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
We pray for all the Prophets by saying "peace be upon him"!
We greet one another with the same Peace! Assalamu alaikum - Peace be upon you! May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. You and your friend still remain liars! Anyways, it is confirmed you were so ignorant in Islam back then and even now!
Do Israelites pray for the dead? smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by GothamCities:
Antichristian2:
Did Christ practiced any religious while on earth according to the Bible?

He told the rich ruler to obey the commandments and follow him. The same thing other prophets preached. More importantly, he worshipped his creator.
And who's the commandment? Jesus, the Word of God is the Commandments of God. Obeying the Word of God is obeying Jesus. You Muslims don't get it! Rejecting Jesus is rejecting the Word of God. Rejecting the Word of God is a rejection of God Himself. Honoring any other entity such as Mohammed above the Word of God is dishonoring God. Just as if my children honour anyone above my word, they dishonor me. May your eyes be opened.

Now you worship Jesus. Jesus had a God! Even when Satan tempted Jesus to bow to him Jesus said only God deserves the worship!
Yes, because Jesus is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Almighty. You guys don't understand the personality of Jesus. You fail to see beyond your nostrils and designate Him as a mere man like yourselves. Jesus is the Word of God.

But again, why are you denying that your books never called Pharaoh a Muslim?

Verse 90 from surah Yunus
﴿۞ وَجَاوَزْنَا بِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ آمَنتُ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِي آمَنَتْ بِهِ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَنَا مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ﴾
[ يونس: 90]

English - Sahih International
10:90 And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims."
Surah Yunus in Arabic


Christianity, Buddhism, etc are names after people. They are the creations of people not God. The person who first called people Christlike was an unknown disbeliever!
Nope. Christ is not the name of anybody.

How about Alexander who served many gods and goddesses? Yet he was a Muslim like Moses even though he never served Moses' God? Please open your eyes!


You said Satan didn't recognize Jesus as God.

Hahaha, Satan does not recognize even God as God. He is claiming to be God himself. But, you should at least admit that demons called Jesus the Son of God and begged Him not to destroy them before their time
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 3:34pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Exactly! cool
some let me ask you. Are jw also Muslim? Since they are not trinitarian so a they Muslim too 🤔
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 3:35pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Why did you lie earlier?
please show me the lie 🙁
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 3:38pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Was he a Christian or a Jewish man?

Give us your proofs no be by emotions and abuse?
do you really no the meaning of christian 🤔
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by GothamCities: 3:50pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
If Jesus is a Christian, then show us where he called himself such?

Define a Christian and show us how Jesus fits in!
Jesus is Christ. A Christian is someone who lives like Christ. Now, tell me the difference between Jesus and those who live like Him. In Christianity, Jesus is a standard of living. He Himself established that standard when He said "If ye love me, ye will obey my commandments."

Pharaoh was a Muslim according to your Quran. If Pharaoh was a Muslim and Moses was also a Muslim like pharaoh, why were they serving different Gods? Can you spot the scam? The God of Moses was definitely not the God of Pharaoh. Hence both cannot be Muslims. Mohammed was a scammer.

Alexander the great was also a Muslim according to Islam. Yet he served different gods including Zeus, Ares, Athena, Apollos and others . He didn't serve the God of Abraham and Moses. Islam is pure deception.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:50pm On Mar 14, 2025
Kingsempires:
do you really no the meaning of christian 🤔
If i talk some will say Max has come again.
According to the first century disciples of Christ there were two labels people gave them back then.

(1) People belonging to the Way:

and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to The Way, both men and women. Act 9:2

This is because his disciples kept telling everyone that Jesus is the promised way to salvation as found written in the scriptures! Isaiah 35:8

But later it was in Antioch that people first called them "CHRISTIANS" as they are followers of Jesus who claimed he is the CHRIST! Act 11:26

So if not a Muslim it's unreasonable for anyone to ask why Jesus who is the Way and Christ is not one of those following the Way (Christians)
How can someone be asking:

"is the WAY also a TRAVELER?" undecided
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 4:05pm On Mar 14, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If i talk some will say Max has come again.
According to the first century disciples of Christ there were two labels people gave them back then.

(1) People belonging to the Way:

and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to The Way, both men and women. Act 9:2

This is because his disciples kept telling everyone that Jesus is the promised way to salvation as found written in the scriptures! Isaiah 35:8

But later it was in Antioch that people first called them "CHRISTIANS" as they are followers of Jesus who claimed he is the CHRIST! Act 11:26

So if not a Muslim it's unreasonable for anyone to ask why Jesus who is the Way and Christ is not one of those following the Way (Christians)
How can someone be asking:

"is the WAY also a TRAVELER?" undecided
i still get confused by all this Muslim people if Muslim was from Noah why is it that they have not practice or believe of Islam till 600 years after Christ.

Jesus was a Muslim but he called God father which is forbidden in Islam.

Jesus disciples taught that Jesus Christ is our lord and personal savior, those Muslim agree with that?if are the disciples Muslims According to antichristain

Non of the prophets in the bible bow down toward mecca and pray upon till 600 years later after Christ. So I don't really understand antichristain. Shaa na wetin him learn for his own religion so what can I say 🙁
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 4:06pm On Mar 14, 2025
GothamCities:
Jesus is Christ. A Christian is someone who lives like Christ. Now, tell me the difference between Jesus and those who live like Him. In Christianity, Jesus is a standard of living. He Himself established that standard when He said "If ye love me, ye will obey my commandments."
I think this is also false. The starting point is always God not Jesus. Jesus kept repeating it that he was a messenger sent on a mission!

Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:37-38

Pharaoh was a Muslim according to your Quran. If Pharaoh was a Muslim and Moses was also a Muslim like pharaoh, why were they serving different Gods? Can you spot the scam? The God of Moses was definitely not the God of Pharaoh. Hence both cannot be Muslims. Mohammed was a scammer.
I think you are the scammer trying to lie that Pharaoh was a Muslim. Nowhere in the Qur'an or Sunnah does it say such!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 4:07pm On Mar 14, 2025
Kingsempires:
do you really no the meaning of christian 🤔
Where did Jesus explain it in the Bible?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 4:09pm On Mar 14, 2025
Kingsempires:
please show me the lie 🙁
Na Max o not you!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 4:13pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Where did Jesus explain it in the Bible?
oga make I show you the meaning of christian because you are really go on a wrong track on the definition of christian

Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 4:13pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
Na Max o not you!
ok sir
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m):
Kingsempires:
ok sir
Na their old traditional way of speaking against Christianity:
*Jesus is not a Christian.
*God did not call worshipers Christian.
*The name "Christian" was formed later.

All these are old ideas of our illiterate alfa back then! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 4:29pm On Mar 14, 2025
Kingsempires:
some let me ask you. Are jw also Muslim? Since they are not trinitarian so a they Muslim too 🤔
The Jews who follow Moses in truth during his time till Jesus came are all Muslims!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 4:37pm On Mar 14, 2025
GothamCities:
The true followers of Christ don't practice any religion. We just follow Christ and the Holy Ghost helps us to be like Christ. We're Christians aa a result. If Jesus didn't practice Christianity, you're simply saying Jesus didn't behave like Himself. The God of the Bible has no religion. He established none.
Those who enter discussions with the mentality that Christianity is not a religion are essentially ignorant. What is a religion? Religion can be understood as a complex system that encompasses various elements, including Beliefs, practices, community, Sacred text and moral framework! How can any sane person claim that the God of the Bible started no religion? Are there no beliefs, practices, community, sacred texts and moral frameworks develeping everywhere in the Bible?

Like Mohammed, there are many who claim to have received a religion from God. They all claim go submit to God. How's Mohammed any different? Both They and Mohammed are all liars.
I don't need to argue with an ignoramus. You need to read further with a more open mind!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 4:49pm On Mar 14, 2025
Antichristian2:
The Jews who follow Moses in truth during his time till Jesus came are all Muslims!
I meant Jehovah witness. Are they Muslim?
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