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Lucifyre:
Where's the evidence??

Now that you can see that the bible's claim is not baseless🤨.

You can do so well to provide the "factual" evidence 🤣🤣🤣

Let me guess, you don't have🥲

God is all-knowing. The tower was definitely stopped for a good reason because it was heading somewhere. Contrary to the deception of NASA and friends, there is nothing like space. Heaven is above. You think the type of people walking the earth now are the same as those before? Those before us were far more advanced and built the remaining ancient structures existing all over the world. These present set of humans didn't build all those things - they found them aka founded. Then whitewashed everything.

Gabrielshow24:
There is historical evidence🤔.
Historical evidences that seem to back the bible's claim!!!

But it doesn't empirically substantiate the existence or diversification of languages!!!

Already dropping buts😂, now im going to slap the ignorance out of you with facts. Evidence, state em. Show sources.

Gabrielshow24:
Now that you can see that the bible's claim is not baseless🤨.

You can do so well to provide the "factual" evidence 🤣🤣🤣

Let me guess, you don't have🥲

Where have you shown its not baseless, where's the evidence source consensus.

Lucifyre:
Where have you shown its not baseless, where's the evidence source consensus.

The bible offers a historical claim!
One that implies God being the source of the diverse languages!

We don't have an empirical way to prove the intervention of God save from the bible and historical evidences that confirms the existence of such places but we have direct evidences from its effects.

Gabrielshow24:
The bible offers a historical claim!
One that implies God being the source of the diverse languages!

We don't have an empirical way to prove the intervention of God save from the bible and historical evidences that confirms the existence of such places but we have direct evidences from its effects.

🤣🤣🤣 thought as much. So the typical circular argument.
Let me show you an interesting fact. Do you know New York from the spider man comics is a real place, so spider man is real.

Lucifyre:
Where have you shown its not baseless, where's the evidence source consensus.

You have google you can query about the existence of such places, you can even verify the age that best corroborates with the "making of brick" etc

This was the culture of a people!
Furthermore, there are so many things that there isn't empirical proof for!!!

A lot of things are abstract and can't be measured.
Can you empirically prove killing someone is bad or good? 🤔
Or can you empirically prove or measure your mother's love?

Now to also remind you, why did the ancients build houses?
I have empirical proof for the reasons for such!
You seem to suggest otherwise 🤔.
Let us know about that!

Lucifyre:
🤣🤣🤣 thought as much. So the typical circular argument.
Let me show you an interesting fact. Do you know New York from the spider man comics is a real place, so spider man is real.

Unlike mine, yours doesn't have a direct effect!
Do you see people flying about with spider webs?

But today we have thousands of languages!!!
You can come up with a better analogy 🙃

Gabrielshow24:
You have google you can query about the existence of such places, you can even verify the age that best corroborates with the "making of brick" etc

This was the culture of a people!
Furthermore, there are so many things that there isn't empirical proof for!!!

A lot of things are abstract and can't be measured.
Can you empirically prove killing someone is bad or good? 🤔
Or can you empirically prove or measure your mother's love?

Now to also remind you, why did the ancients build houses?
I have empirical proof for the reasons for such!
You seem to suggest otherwise 🤔.
Let us know about that!

And its not baseless?! 😁 when the evidence plays hide and seek like your god. Some jokes write themselves abeg.

Lucifyre:
And its not baseless?! 😁 when the evidence plays hide and seek like your god. Some jokes write themselves abeg.

Anything can be baseless to you🤣🤣🤣!
Let the arguments speak for themselves 🙃.
Kindly tell us the reason for building cities?

Also tell us why you allude to the singularity although not being concrete?🤔

geoworldedu:
There has been an occasion recorded in the scripture of God's panic. This was clearly highlighted in Genesis 11.

HOW IT ALL STARTED

The people of the world came together in unity to construct a building whose top could get to the heaven.

THE FOOLISHNESS OF THESE PEOPLE

These people saw the cloud as if it was a place just within their reach, without aeroplanes, jets or rockets. They decided to make a building that will get into the cloud which they assumed to be HEAVEN.

According to Genesis 11:4

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

THE FOOLISHNESS OF GOD
The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

Genesis 11: 5 - 7

Verse 5:
"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded."
Verse 6:
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."
Verse 7:
"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

GOD PANICKED

God became restless when the people began to build the tower. He felt that they will achieve their goals of building a skyscraper that will shoot above the cloud and then he would be exposed. Then he had to confuse their language.

Wow, these sounds amusing. The world then had several languages, but right now humans have languages that billions of people can speak. So if they want to achieve that feat right now, they can. They have even achieved a bigger feat which has surpassed reaching the height of the sky. Rockets have flown above the supposed abode of God but saw nothing like God.

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?

God could have relocated his heaven somewhere else when he discovered that humans will become wiser and achieve the feat of reaching a higher height anytime soon. Now he has shifted his location to somewhere nobody can see. What if we try to find out where God's new location is? Will he panic again and relocate?

IS GOD A COWARD?

If God will keep changing location because of men, can we simply conclude that he is a coward running from being sighted by men. Or could we say he is ignorant of his own immense power? If humans can only see within the visible light ray, can't God make himself and his angels infraredic or x-rayish in nature so we can't see him or interfere with him instead of running helter skelter away from men, or is there something God is hiding away from men?

What is your conclusion?

Some will say the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men. Should we conclude that same way as Paul concluded because of how foolish he saw God's actions? Or should we ignore Paul and do our own findings?

What is your say?

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread about "When God Panicked" and wanted to share some thoughts.

The Gethsemane moment isn't about God panicking - it's about Jesus fully embracing his humanity. As a psychologist would recognize, he showed normal human responses to extreme stress: anxiety, physical symptoms (the sweating blood), and seeking support from friends.

Historically, early Christians wrestled with exactly this question - how could Jesus be both divine and human? The beautiful answer they found (which took centuries to fully articulate) is that Christ's divinity isn't diminished by experiencing human emotions - it's revealed through willingly embracing our complete human experience.

What moves me most about this passage isn't seeing divine weakness but seeing divine love. Jesus chose to experience our deepest human fears and vulnerabilities. This isn't a theological problem - it's precisely the point! God doesn't remain distant from our suffering but enters fully into it.

When we face our own moments of fear and anguish, we can find comfort knowing that God understands these experiences from the inside. This is the heart of our faith - not that we escape suffering, but that through Christ, our suffering itself has meaning.

Peace and blessings to all

Gabrielshow24:
Unlike mine, yours doesn't have a direct effect!
Do you see people flying about with spider webs?

But today we have thousands of languages!!!
You can come up with a better analogy 🙃

Yes yes why don't we just continue assertions without evidence. This one exception I'd disprove your unprovable nonsense fiction to show you a typical empty vessel theist. You ready boy, first off the tower of babel story is a myth adapted from another mesoptamian myth older than it by a thousand years in the same Ancient Near East, the well known Epic of Gilgamesh where Enlil the god was been disturbed by humans noise and chaos as they were bulding a great city called....😁 Babylon in... Sirnah and a towering Ziggurat tower to reach the gods. Sound familiar dumbo. Enlil fearing that humans would be too powerful and contend with the gods decided to confuse their language and scatter them on the earth and the city was abandoned. The epic of gilgamesh story from the sumerians which are the oldest civilization dates back to 2100bce while the genesis story dates to 600-400 bce. 🤣

Academic Sources :
Gilgamesh and the Bible by David Damrosch (Journal of Bib.....

Journal of Near Eastern Studies: The Epic of Gilgamesh an....

Had to remove the full details to prevent bot ban. So indoctrinated ignoramus, how can your myth adapted from an older myth a thousand years before it be the factual one without evidence. 🤣🤣🤣 Frigging clown, read you say no. How won't you be daft. This is not evwn considering other older cultures from the ANE with similar language myths. 🤡 The flood and Noah is another bible copy copy.

Lucifyre:
Yes yes why don't we just continue assertions without evidence. This one exception I'd disprove your unprovable nonsense fiction to show you a typical empty vessel theist. You ready boy, first off the tower of babel story is a myth adapted from another mesoptamian myth older than it by a thousand years in the same Ancient Near East, the well known Epic of Gilgamesh where Enlil the god was been disturbed by humans noise and chaos as they were bulding a great city called....😁 Babylon in... Sirnah and a towering Ziggurat tower to reach the gods. Sound familiar dumbo. Enlil fearing that humans would be too powerful and contend with the gods decided to confuse their language and scatter them on the earth and the city was abandoned. The epic of gilgamesh story from the sumerians which are the oldest civilization dates back to 2100bce while the genesis story dates to 600-400 bce. 🤣

Academic Sources :
Gilgamesh and the Bible by David Damrosch (Journal of Bib.....

Journal of Near Eastern Studies: The Epic of Gilgamesh an....

Had to remove the full details to prevent bot ban. So indoctrinated ignoramus, how can your myth adapted from an older myth a thousand years before it be the factual one without evidence. 🤣🤣🤣 Frigging clown, read you say no. How won't you be daft. This is not evwn considering other older cultures from the ANE with similar language myths. 🤡 The flood and Noah is another bible copy copy.

I have had this conversation before with jae and the likes.
Correlation doesn't always mean causation!

Enuma elish and atrahasis are older books.
The theme of both, as compared to the bible, are totally different.

You can do better to come up with more compelling evidence than this.

It's not a word to word copy.
At best it shows, a common ancestor😂😂😂.
Is this your refutation? 🤣🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24:
I have had this conversation before with jae and the likes.
Correlation doesn't always mean causation!

Enuma elish and atrahasis are older books.
The theme of both, as compared to the bible, are totally different.

You can do better to come up with more compelling evidence than this.

It's not a word to word copy.
At best it shows, a common ancestor😂😂😂.
Is this your refutation? 🤣🤣🤣

Na really correlation and causation😂 this is sweet.

E say common ancestor.😂

Lucifyre:
Na really correlation and causation😂 this is sweet.

E say common ancestor.😂

You drawing parallels between enuma elish and the bible is actually baseless.

What's the theme of both books?
Are they the same?😂😂😂

When you expect him to use logic, he fails miserably!!!
Or because leopards and cheetahs have similar spots meant one copied from the other? 😂😂😂

Foolishness is bliss 🤤

Gabrielshow24:
You drawing parallels between enuma elish and the bible is actually baseless.

What's the theme of both books?
Are they the same?😂😂😂

When you expect him to use logic, he fails miserably!!!
Or because leopards and cheetahs have similar spots meant one copied from the other? 😂😂😂

Foolishness is bliss 🤤

🤡 Correlation causation 🤣

Lucifyre:
🤡 Correlation causation 🤣

Whatsoever floats your bubble🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣.

geoworldedu:
So a caveman boat traveled long distance over the canal to Africa and settled here from Middle East and they never wrote those histories or pass down the histories for we Africans until we were colonized and get anothwr history given to us? Your mid brain must be sick of hay fever.

You see how you are proving that you are a Mad Villager? You need to travel and maybe go to a Museum since you are not capable of reading. May be you might have some sense

StillDtruth:
You see how you are proving that you are a Mad Villager? You need to travel and maybe go to a Museum since you are not capable of reading. May be you might have some sense

So you have resorted to insult when you could not make sense, right? Well, I don't blame you, but your God and parents who indoctrinated you and seal off your brain from critical thinking. Someday your brain will open again, just that it could be too late by then.

Lastly, Mr. Footstool, I will start telling people to stop building storey buildings so that the long elephantiasistical legs of God won't get more pains in them other than the ones the burj Khalifa and the world trade centre has already caused to his legs in the past. Better still, scientists will help break away his leg and make a laser light legs for him and also replace his long pennis with micro wave invisible peniis

geoworldedu:
So you have resorted to insult when you could not make sense, right? Well, I don't blame you, but your God and parents who indoctrinated you and seal off your brain from critical thinking. Someday your brain will open again, just that it could be too late by then.

Lastly, Mr. Footstool, I will start telling people to stop building storey buildings so that the long elephantiasistical legs of God won't get more pains in them other than the ones the burj Khalifa and the world trade p has already caused to his legs in the past. Better still, scientists will help break away his leg and make a laser light legs for him and also replace his long pennis with micro wave invisible peniis

It is you who started the insalts, cos it is not an insalt to call a person who speaks like a mad person in the market, a mad person.

And I call you foolish because you are speaking exactly how fools speak. Since Genesis, sky scrapers have been built and yet those who are foolish live Cursed lives, cursing everything in their misery full lives, which is all you are doing as you can not even afford the luxury of suicide.

So living is torture for you and dying is even worse, so you have no other choice but to curse and lament.

geoworldedu:
➜ What is your say?

Your personal biases are written all over your assessment of the particular verses you quoted. That is what jumps out at me.

1. There was a time when the whole world spoke one language. Everyone used the same words.
2 Then people began to move from the East. They found a plain in the land of Babylonia and stayed there to live.
3 Then they said to each other, “Let’s make some bricks of clay and bake them in the fire.” Then they used these bricks as stones, and they used tar as mortar.
4 Then the people said, “Let’s build ourselves a city and a tower that will reach to the sky. Then we will be famous. This will keep us together so that we will not be scattered all over the earth.”
5 Then the Lord came down to see the city and the tower.
6 The Lord said, “These people all speak the same language. And I see that they are joined together to do this work. This is only the beginning of what they can do. Soon they will be able to do anything they want.
7 Let’s go down and confuse their language. Then they will not understand each other.”
8 So people stopped building the city, and the Lord scattered them all over the earth.
9 That is the place where the Lord confused the language of the whole world. That is why it is called Babel.[a] And it was from there that the Lord caused the people to spread out to all the other places on earth. - Genesis 11 vs 1 - 9

The passage above does not agree with all of the conclusions you reached leading me to wonder where your particular interpretations come from if not from the lips of religion which leads me to wonder if you are at all capable of objectively parsing the content of the book without needing to lead on the interpretations fed you by the religious communities.

geoworldedu:
⚉ The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.
The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.
⚉GOD PANICKED - God became restless when the people began to build the tower. He felt that they will achieve their goals of building a skyscraper that will shoot above the cloud and then he would be exposed. Then he had to confuse their language.
⚉ WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED? - God could have relocated his heaven somewhere else when he discovered that humans will become wiser and achieve the feat of reaching a higher height anytime soon. Now he has shifted his location to somewhere nobody can see. What if we try to find out where God's new location is? Will he panic again and relocate?
⚉ IS GOD A COWARD? - If God will keep changing location because of men, can we simply conclude that he is a coward running from being sighted by men. Or could we say he is ignorant of his own immense power? If humans can only see within the visible light ray, can't God make himself and his angels infraredic or x-rayish in nature so we can't see him or interfere with him instead of running helter skelter away from men, or is there something God is hiding away from men?
⚉ What is your conclusion? Some will say the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men. Should we conclude that same way as Paul concluded because of how foolish he saw God's actions? Or should we ignore Paul and do our own findings?

Kobojunkie:
Your personal biases are written all over your assessment of the particular verses you quoted. That is what jumps out at me.
The passage above does not agree with all of the conclusions you reached leading me to wonder where your particular interpretations come from if not from the lips of religion which leads me to wonder if you are at all capable of objectively parsing the content of the book without needing to lead on the interpretations fed you by the religious communities.

So what is your own say, that's the question. The question is not about what I wrote. It is about what you think about the story. Pls always read texts well before you comment so you don't fall into fallacies.

Question is: What is your own say about the story? Not, what is your argument against the Op. Hope you gerrit junky?

geoworldedu:
➜So what is your own say, that's the question. The question is not about what I wrote. It is about what you think about the story. Pls always read texts well before you comment so you don't fall into fallacies.
➜ Question is: What is your own say about the story? Not, what is your argument against the Op. Hope you gerrit junky?

My say has nothing to do with what was intended by the original authors. They wrote the story to convey their particular message and that is that. And what I think is that rather than go around injecting private biases between every line that is written, we all learn instead to objectively parse the information as presented.

1. There was a time when the whole world spoke one language. Everyone used the same words.
2 Then people began to move from the East. They found a plain in the land of Babylonia and stayed there to live.
3 Then they said to each other, “Let’s make some bricks of clay and bake them in the fire.” Then they used these bricks as stones, and they used tar as mortar.
4 Then the people said, “Let’s build ourselves a city and a tower that will reach to the sky. Then we will be famous. This will keep us together so that we will not be scattered all over the earth.”
5 Then the Lord came down to see the city and the tower.
6 The Lord said, “These people all speak the same language. And I see that they are joined together to do this work. This is only the beginning of what they can do. Soon they will be able to do anything they want.
7 Let’s go down and confuse their language. Then they will not understand each other.”
8 So people stopped building the city, and the Lord scattered them all over the earth.
9 That is the place where the Lord confused the language of the whole world. That is why it is called Babel.[a] And it was from there that the Lord caused the people to spread out to all the other places on earth. - Genesis 11 vs 1 - 9

2. Again, my say is that you dump your biases in your pocket and instead objectively parse the information contained so you sound less like the other religious folks whom you pretend you are not one of.

Kobojunkie:
My say has nothing to do with what was intended by the original authors. They wrote the story to convey their particular message and that is that. And what I think is that rather than go around injecting private biases between every line that is written, we all learn instead to objectively parse the information as presented.

2. Again, my say is that you dump your biases in your pocket and instead objectively parse the information contained so you sound less like the other religious folks whom you pretend you are not one of.

You are speaking incoherently. The question remains, what is your say about the matter? It is not about mine. Mine was up there, now what do you think about the story? Lobatan.
It would have saved you this long essay.

The building was not God's will nor to God's glory.

God wanted people to spread over the earth and not stay in one place.

Anyway people packing into one place isn't necessarily a good thing, crimes and other problems increase as well with high saturated population. With all the land upon the earth people fight and kill for a piece of land they believe to have more valuable than the rest.

gohf:
The building was not God's will nor to God's glory.

God wanted people to spread over the earth and not stay in one place.

Anyway people packing into one place isn't necessarily a good thing, crimes and other problems increase as well with high saturated population. With all the land upon the earth people fight and kill for a piece of land they believe to have more valuable than the rest.

God is Tuface Idibia. At a point he wanted the whole world to gather in one place, at another time he wanted them to scatter. Those who refused to gather in one place where killed by flood. They didn't want to gather in a single ark. They can't be fruitful and multiply in a single ark, but God, out of lack of knowledge destroyed them. Now he wants them to scatter about. God must be high on kolos

geoworldedu:
God is Tuface Idibia. At a point he wanted the whole world to gather in one place, at another time he wanted them to scatter. Those who refused to gather in one place where killed by flood. They didn't want to gather in a single ark. They can't be fruitful and multiply in a single ark, but God, out of lack of knowledge destroyed them. Now he wants them to scatter about. God must be high on kolos

You act like a pained child.
Everywhere in the world, the aim determines the method!

In one instance he is saving from the flood.
Or do you want him to tell them to scatter upon the surface of the flood? 😂😂😂
Are you that dumb?

The second instance, the flood is gone.
He wants them fill the Earth 🤔.
So should they stay in one place or scatter abroad 😂😂😂?

If someone says you should plaster the house.
Do you plaster only one place and then hope the plaster spreads miraculously elsewhere🤔?

Think before you type.
Stop with this folly.
Simple wisdom answers you already!!!

Gabrielshow24:
You act like a pained child.
Everywhere in the world, the aim determines the method!

In one instance he is saving from the flood.
Or do you want him to tell them to scatter upon the surface of the flood? 😂😂😂
Are you that dumb?

The second instance, the flood is gone.
He wants them fill the Earth 🤔.
So should they stay in one place or scatter abroad 😂😂😂?

If someone says you should plaster the house.
Do you plaster only one place and then hope the plaster spreads miraculously elsewhere🤔?

Think before you type.
Stop with this folly.
Simple wisdom answers you already!!!

He is saving them from the flood himself wanted to cause. Same way he is saving you Christians from the hell fire himself created
I can't laugh again, make I no go kpai suddenly the way my heart dey pain me like this as I dey laugh

geoworldedu:
He is saving them from the flood himself wanted to cause. Same way he is saving you Christians from the hell fire himself created
I can't laugh again, make I no go kpai suddenly the way my heart dey pain me like this as I dey laugh

For the longevity of life🤔 he saved them from the Flood!

The Great Flood was the implication of man's evil works.
The same way Hell fire is the symbolic concept of all things contrary to God!!!

No matter your allusions, the goal determines the method!!!

geoworldedu:
He is saving them from the flood himself wanted to cause. Same way he is saving you Christians from the hell fire himself created
I can't laugh again, make I no go kpai suddenly the way my heart dey pain me like this as I dey laugh

The stupidity of the whole thing is so funny😅 You need to actively trash your brain to reason like that.

Lucifyre:
Nice job skipping questions btw, can't imagine answering them helps out.

Ahh, I thought it was just me he does it to. Glad to see I'm in good company.

LordReed:
Ahh, I thought it was just me he does it to. Glad to see I'm in good company.

That's his M.O 😄 Side step and use words he barely grasps meaning of.