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gohf:
he the nearest of all people to Jesus, so tell us why do you believe that?

Seeing as you reject the writings of those who were Jews and had heard from him and about him.

Antichristian2:
All scriptures are usually written by verified and known people unlike the Bible!

The scripture revealed to Moses is definitely not the Old testament you have today!

Also Jesus was not aware of anything in the New testament!

Of course some may be right but it's a mix.

MightySparrow:
So you don't know your Hadiths and come here running your mouth on the Bible?

Antichristian2:
Opuro Jesu!

Show us the evidences!

Antichristian2:
No other Prophet came after Jesus apart from Muhammad!

As Jesus didn't write anything nor did he sanction any book during his time, anything written after him will need authentication! There's no assurance any Jew wrote anything!

And even if they did write, we know the Jews are not a trustworthy folks!

Antichristian2:
Opuro Jesu!

Show us the evidences!

MightySparrow:
MightySparrow opuro Jesu!

gohf:
mighty sparrow just posted a verse about an apostle of Allah, is that Muhammad whom you claimed leads you to salvation.

By the way I heard that Islam teaches that there is no salvation through one man as God forgave the original sin Adam committed thereby forgiving all of it, after Adam repented.

Antichristian2:
Yes, those who died in idolatry/ association of partners to God will be in hell. There's no forgiveness for them!

There's no original sin in Islam. Adam sinned and he was punished! He sought forgiveness and was forgiven!

Antichristian2:
You said:
Mohammed (SAW) could not save his parents from the raging fire. He begged Allah, but he refused!

Did he begged Allah in the hadith you quoted?

Your lying is legendary!

What about those who died Christian from the Old Testament?

gohf:
original sin means first sin, saying there was no first sin and yet saying Adam sinned is confusing. What do you think original sin means?

You said Adam was punished, what was his punishment?

And when he was forgiven what happened?

MightySparrow:
What exactly did he do?

Antichristian2:
Original sin is the sin other humans inherit from Adam in Christianity!

He was sent away from the garden!

Nothing happened.

gohf:
so according to your response and your believe in Islam, God's forgiveness results in nothing?

What was the sin Adam committed and what did God tell him would happen when he did such?

So you don't deny that original sin is the first sin, just that you don't believe that humans inherited the consequences of Adam's actions.

So if it wasn't inherited according to your understanding why were the children of Adam left outside of the garden?

Antichristian2:
You asked what happened and i told you nothing! Do you expect thunder to strike? When God forgave sins what usually happens?



Allah says what means:
"And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zalimun (unjust and wrong­doers)." (Qur'an Al Araf 7:19)

No punishment was specified aforehand! But later he was sent to earth!

There's nothing like original sin or fake sin. Sin is sin!


No sin is hereditary! Left outside of which Garden?

gohf:
the word original in this case relates to origin not necessarily authenticity.

Which you agreed Adam sinned and was kicked out of the garden. Expect you are saying Adam wasn't the first of mankind. And now are you pretending not to know "which Garden" again?

The question still stands if you can answer is, if the consequences of Adam's actions were not inherited according to you, why were he children of Adam left outside the garden or are you saying the children were allowed in, expect Adam who received that as a punishment, according to what you have said?

Now for what you are asking me, I do not expect thunder to stroke and you asked when God forgives sins what usually happens.

To answer that, do you know the story of David who was punished for taking his soldier wife and later killing him, or the story of pharaoh taking Abraham's wife and being punished for it. It is recorded in Genesis that after pharaoh was forgiven and prayed for, the wombs of the women in his house were opened.

I can give you more explains of God's mercy and forgiveness. But to say that God continues to punish a man he has forgiven is that not a lie? To me that is a lie.

Antichristian2:
Adam was the first man and he sinned. God sent him and his wife to earth. There they multiplied. God's intention was to fill the earth with humans. So they reproduced on earth!

How did God continue to punish Adam?

Adam sinned and was sent down to earth. Later God forgave him when he repented. Allah promised to send guidance and whoever follows His guidance will not grief. But the disobedient ones will be punished with hell.

gohf:
You are not answering this question

"The question still stands if you can answer is, if the consequences of Adam's actions were not inherited according to you, why were he children of Adam left outside the garden or are you saying the children were allowed in, expect Adam who received that as a punishment, according to what you have said?"

Instead you are suggesting that what you said earlier that Adam was punished is wrong and he was only sent to earth or you are saying that it was God's plan to punish Adam, has his intention was for he and his wife to be on earth.

Now you are completely denying that Adam was punished for anything or that you said God did nothing after you claimed he was forgiven.


By the way, you are writing this send down to earth, where was the garden, was it not on earth?

Antichristian2:
Adam's punishment didn't affect his descendants. They never tasted the life of paradise. Their destinies started and ended on earth as Allah willed for them. Adam was in Paradise before he was sent down to earth!

gohf:
so according to you someone is punished and thrown into prison and his descendants who are born in that prison are left in that prison because they never tasted freedom...?

So your god willed for your destiny to end here on earth?

Antichristian2:
No! Jesus was meant to be be followed by the israelites until Muhammad came!

When Muhammad came he became the Prophet of all mankind!

A prominent hadith, narrated by Abu Huraira, states that Prophet Muhammad said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

Antichristian2:
Adam's punishment ushered in life on earth a place to test who deserves Paradise or Hell.

Destiny ends in Hell or Paradise!

gohf:
it seems like I am helping you correct yourself

Antichristian2:
Everything i typed correlates... You are the one who don't understand the full picture of the Islamic narrations.