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tctrills:
You are using the scientific method to answer questions on Adam and Eve. And you call another person a slowpoke. This is the clear case of the pot calling a kettle black.

No mind am.
Arthur C. Clarke who said “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is a raving atheist like him!

DaddyCoool:
PSEUDO-scientific method! He doesn't know everything about QM can be classied as magic

I know, he is one of those kids that read one small book and think they have gotten all the knowledge in all the books in the universe. He has a lot to learn

tctrills:
I know, he is one of those kids that read one small book and think they have gotten all the knowledge in all the books in the universe. He has a lot to learn

Couldn't have said it better. Thanks 4 putting him in his place

tctrills:
You just claimed that you were using the scientific method now you are running away from your point.
You kids come out acting intelligent until you are not.

Running away from what? You accused me of something I didn't do and instead of verifying you double down. Is that not stupidity? LoLz.

DaddyCoool:
Arthur C. Clarke who said that was a raving ATHEIST!
Here's the quote again:
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

LoLz. Now we switch to quote mining. Meanwhile I'm waiting for your repeatable advanced technology of turning water to wine. Bwahahahahahaha!

tctrills:
I know, he is one of those kids that read one small book and think they have gotten all the knowledge in all the books in the universe. He has a lot to learn

LoLz. I read many books thats why you feel so small, you are stuck on one book. Bwahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
LoLz. Now we switch to quote mining. Meanwhile I'm waiting for your repeatable advanced technology of turning water to wine. Bwahahahahahaha!

Back to the beginning:
The universe is a magical place my dear. You just have to open your eyes to see it. It's all magic

tctrills:
You are right. Jesus Christ preached what his Father told him.

Now you are talking!
This means whatever he wants to do with his brain should be things that's not related to the worship of the true God but once it has to do with pure worship Jesus suspends the use of his brain and focus on instructions from his father.
The same goes with his Apostles and that is what they passed on to other disciples so that they can all have the same line of thought just as the father is pleased:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.  I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1Corinthans 1:10

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization follow this pattern the rest of you people are Satan's agents each forming his own doctrine using it as criteria to set standards that's why you people keeps on contradicting one another and none of you can present any church that's practicing what he or she is saying.

DaddyCoool:
It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

Alright, now you're just becoming obtuse. Me bringing up economics was to demonstrate the fallacy of your thinking that logic and intuition are similar and interchangeable. You claimed the analogy was false but you actually didn't show why it's false, you just keep repeating yourself stubbornly. 😒

The only thing I can parse from your argument is that you're incapable of considering ideas or concepts beyond what you're used to. Counterintuition and illogic are not the same. If you took this argument to somewhere like a philosophy forum where they deal with the etymology of words, I swear they'd rip you apart, no offense.

The reason we think QM is "illogical" is because we're limited by our everyday experiences. It's not a flaw in the foundational logical systems that base QM. The only thing illogical here is your complete aversion to this clearly stated distinction.

DaddyCoool:
It is demonstrating that at core the universe is NOT logical. Objects don't miraculously appear on the other side of a solid they can't pass through

You're describing quantum tunneling, which is not illogical at all because it follows directly from the principles of Schrodinger's equation. Therefore, it's mathematically consistent. However what we expect about the interaction solid objects (intuition) might not be fulfilled on a quantum level. Our common sense simply can not be applied in the realm of QM. Once again, your ignorance of QM rears it's ugly head.

But if you still think I'm blabbing, maybe you can register on this forum here and share your views on this thread where the mathematics behind quantum tunneling is being discussed. Let us know how that turns out for you:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/understanding-quantum-tunneling-is-the-schrodingers-equation-the-key.651382/

DaddyCoool:
I don't just know how someone can be saying that QM is logical from macroscopic perspective

Still playing musical chairs with your common sense I see. We're playing 3D chess here. Keep up.

DaddyCoool:
It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

By the way, since you believe the universe is SOOOO illogical, then can you explain how we're having this conversation at this very moment? Or better yet, can you tell us how quantum computers were built or how quantum field theory was developed?

DaddyCoool:
Back to the beginning:
The universe is a magical place my dear. You just have to open your eyes to see it. It's all magic

Yes so turn water to wine, lets have a party. LoLz.

LordReed:
LoLz. Is.that why none of you have walked on water because it is repeatable? Please when next are you turning water to wine I want a good party. Bwahahahahahaha!

Swear down. 🤣🤣🤣

DaddyCoool:
You don't measure them directly.
Sir, I've only ever had this one moniker and I've had it for a long time - maybe u think everyone is like you

2023 is not a long time. I'm seriously thinking this is another moniker of PoliteActivist. This is how insane that one is too.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are talking!
This means whatever he wants to do with his brain should be things that's not related to the worship of the true God but once it has to do with pure worship Jesus suspends the use of his brain and focus on instructions from his father.
The same goes with his Apostles and that is what they passed on to other disciples so that they can all have the same line of thought just as the father is pleased:

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.  I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1Corinthans 1:10

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization follow this pattern the rest of you people are Satan's agents each forming his own doctrine using it as criteria to set standards that's why you people keeps on contradicting one another and none of you can present any church that's practicing what he or she is saying.

Again, you are wrong. And you are using your guesswork and human knowledge which is the wrong use of your brain. Jesus Christ never suspended the use of this brain. His ministry on earth is not the work of a senseless person.
On the other hand, do you know who suspends the use of their brain because of religion?
Suicide bombers. So you can choose to act like a suicide bomber and suspend the use of your brain or to be like Jesus'Christ filled with wisdom and understanding.
He was filled with the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit are wisdom and knowledge not brainlessness.
One more thing, from the verses you quoted in John 17, Jesus Christ prayed for those who would have faith in him through the words of his disciples and not the words of the JW governing body. The words of his disciples are found in the New Testament.
Having faith in Christ is never brainless. It comes with the spirit of wisdom and knowledge. So as usual, you are wrong.

LordReed:
Running away from what? You accused me of something I didn't do and instead of verifying you double down. Is that not stupidity? LoLz.

The petty girl. No wahala continue being bitter.

DaddyCoool:
So how come Roman Catholics don't emphasize Jesus at all, but instead Mary and others? It is the other denominations that emphasize Christ and His words

Well, it is about her and her son. Most apparitions are usually her.
It's all paganism.
All other denomination are also being mislead.

DaddyCoool:
Non of those was cited by God incarnate as historical fact

Jesus is fiction. The earlier you know this, the better for you.
Every culture have their own creation myth. The stories are all lies, but the messages are the same.
Man = God's spirit+ body from the earth.

tctrills:
Again, you are wrong. And you are using your guesswork and human knowledge which is the wrong use of your brain. Jesus Christ never suspended the use of this brain. His ministry on earth is not the work of a senseless person.
On the other hand, do you know who suspends the use of their brain because of religion?
Suicide bombers. So you can choose to act like a suicide bomber and suspend the use of your brain or to be like Jesus'Christ filled with wisdom and understanding.
He was filled with the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit are wisdom and knowledge not brainlessness.
One more thing, from the verses you quoted in John 17, Jesus Christ prayed for those who would have faith in him through the words of his disciples and not the words of the JW governing body. The words of his disciples are found in the New Testament.
Having faith in Christ is never brainless. It comes with the spirit of wisdom and knowledge. So as usual, you are wrong.

You can continue deceiving yourself.

From the horse's mouth:

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 5:30

The only difference between Jesus and those bumbers is that he did his father's will to SAVE lives {Mark 10:45} while they are doing the will of their father to destroy lives {John 8:44} the fact remains they all suspended the use of their brains!

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue deceiving yourself.

From the horse's mouth:

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 5:30

The only difference between Jesus and those bumbers is that he did his father's will to SAVE lives {Mark 10:45} while they are doing the will of their father to destroy lives {John 8:44} the fact remains they all suspended the use of their brains!

Again you are wrong, Jesus Christ admits that he takes his instructions from his Father is not the same thing as saying that he doesn't use his brain.
You keep depending on your human wisdom to insult your God. It's a shame.

You have just equated complete obedience and dependence on his Father to brainlessness. Haba, how do you make such a leap
John 5:30
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

tctrills:
The petty girl. No wahala continue being bitter.

LoLz. Nor be only bitter na bitter kola. Bwahahahahahaha!

tctrills:
You don't get lost when you ask questions. Instead of discouraging him from asking, you should humble yourself and admit that you don't have the answers.

That was a joke.

tctrills:
Again you are wrong.

This is what makes you a clown.

You claim that the Bible contradicts itself yet you want to say someone is wrong to have an opinion on what the book which according to you contradicted itself says!

Well Jesus said it and it's written in the Bible you can start twisting as you like!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what makes you a clown.

You claim that the Bible contradicts itself yet you want to say someone is wrong to have an opinion on what the book which according to you contradicted itself says!

Well Jesus said it and it's written in the Bible you can start twisting as you like!

Now you are being funny.
Jesus never said he was a brainless robot, that's the JW interpretation of his ministry. The scriptures teach that he was filled with wisdom

Luke 2:40
"And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him."

Luke 2:52
"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man."

Colossians 2:2-3
"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

Isaiah 11:2 A Prophecy About Jesus
"And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord."

But to JW, he was brainless. Do we believe you or do we believe the scriptures? You already know my answer

tctrills:
Now you are being funny.
Jesus never said he was a brainless robot, that's the JW interpretation of his ministry. The scriptures teach that he was filled with wisdom.

According to Jesus he has no wisdom it's because of his godly fear that made him wise:

The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom, And knowledge of the Most Holy One is understanding. Proverbs 9:10

That's why he SUSPENDED THE USE OF HIS BRAIN only to stick to the instructions from his father:

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 5:30

Do you know why only Jehovah's Witnesses are able to fulfill what God said at Isaiah 2:2-4?

Well it's because we all suspended the use of our brains and stick to God's word but since you people are making use of your brains please present your church and what they have achieved after all you are calling "Jesus" today due to his achievements!

Maxi, you will say am stalking you now look at what you wrote. So you want to just keep quiet and you insulting Jesus.

Jesus has no wisdom. This was what I was trying to tell you yesterday. Don't just bring jw demonic doctrine. Why will Jesus not have wisdom of his own. You are very wrong

delkuf:
Maxi, you will say am stalking you now look at what you wrote. So you want to just keep quiet and you insulting Jesus.
Jesus has no wisdom. This was what I was trying to tell you yesterday. Don't just bring jw demonic doctrine. Why will Jesus not have wisdom of his own. You are very wrong

Do you know why Islamists are looking forward to killing you?
Well it's because they felt you are insulting God!
So instead of talking rubbish why not let God do His own work which is judging?

I said Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his brains when it comes to pure worship of course Jesus use his brain to choose who to obey between God and Satan but after identifying the source of divine guidance Jesus starts obedience without a second thought.

Your own problem is identifying the only source of divine guidance i know the source so just like Jesus i suspended the use of my brain to obey my God!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know why Islamists are looking forward to killing you?
Well it's because they felt you are insulting God!
So instead of talking rubbish why not let God do His own work which is judging?

I said Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his brains when it comes to pure worship of course Jesus use his brain to choose who to obey between God and Satan but after identifying the source of divine guidance Jesus starts obedience without a second thought.

Your own problem is identifying the only source of divine guidance i know the source so just like Jesus i suspended the use of my brain to obey my God!

is it every time Jesus suspended his brain or when he have important things to choose

LordReed:
LoLz. Now we switch to quote mining. Meanwhile I'm waiting for your repeatable advanced technology of turning water to wine. Bwahahahahahaha!

I think your problem is that you don't understand the meaning of the word "magic".
The quote from your fellow atheist ought give you a clue:
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

FiveFootNinja:
Alright, now you're just becoming obtuse. Me bringing up economics was to demonstrate the fallacy of your thinking that logic and intuition are similar and interchangeable. You claimed the analogy was false but you actually didn't show why it's false, you just keep repeating yourself stubbornly. 😒

The only thing I can parse from your argument is that you're incapable of considering ideas or concepts beyond what you're used to. Counterintuition and illogic are not the same. If you took this argument to somewhere like a philosophy forum where they deal with the etymology of words, I swear they'd rip you apart, no offense.

The reason we think QM is "illogical" is because we're limited by our everyday experiences. It's not a flaw in the foundational logical systems that base QM. The only thing illogical here is your complete aversion to this clearly stated distinction.

You are the one being obtuse sir - forgeting QM is probabilistic. FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, we want a word that means "makes no SENSE or does not follow a PREDICTABLE pattern from our macro perspective"!! Both "counterintuitive" and "illogical" fit the bill, so we use the shorter word!
No two differently-spelt words mean the same thing in all circumstances!!

FiveFootNinja:
You're describing quantum tunneling, which is not illogical at all because it follows directly from the principles of Schrodinger's equation. Therefore, it's mathematically consistent. However what we expect about the interaction solid objects (intuition) might not be fulfilled on a quantum level. Our common sense simply can not be applied in the realm of QM. Once again, your ignorance of QM rears it's ugly head.

But if you still think I'm blabbing, maybe you can register on this forum here and share your views on this thread where the mathematics behind quantum tunneling is being discussed. Let us know how that turns out for you:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/understanding-quantum-tunneling-is-the-schrodingers-equation-the-key.651382/

See him talking mathematical jargon to confuse people!😆
Bottom line, the particle APPEARS to have passed through a barrier it shouldn't pass through! No one has any way of knowing if it actually passed through the barrier or something else. I read in that site you posted quote "QM is actually magical in relation to the classical context".
See below, one physicist's view