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FiveFootNinja:
Scientifically prove what?

What claims are atheists making? Can you answer that? Let's start from there.

As an atheist, what claims are you making? We rather start from that

Zionmdde:
As an atheist, what claims are you making? We rather start from that

As an atheist, I don't make any claims.

Next question?

FiveFootNinja:
As an atheist, I don't make any claims.
Next question?

LIE!

You make claims but you aren't aware of your claims.

That all the people around you are dumb for believing what was written in books about God.

That the stories are fake.

That you are smarter than religious people.

Do you make these claims or not?

If you don't then there is no reason to disturb you Sir, on behalf of all religious people throughout the world i'm saying we tender an apology!

MaxInDHouse:
LIE!

You make claims but you aren't aware of your claims.

That all the people around you are dumb for believing what was written in books about God.

That the stories are fake.

That you are smarter than religious people.

Do you make these claims or not?

If you don't then there is no reason to disturb you Sir, on behalf of all religious people throughout the world i'm saying we tender an apology!

Since you're on my ignore list, I'll wait for Zionmade to respond for himself.

Thanks for sharing anyways. 👍🏽

FiveFootNinja:
Since you're on my ignore list, I'll wait for Zionmdde to respond for himself.
Thanks for sharing anyways. 👍🏽

You are welcome anytime, it's my pleasure!

FiveFootNinja:
As an atheist, I don't make any claims.

Next question?

Lol
It's just being scared on standing a ground
If you don't believe anything about creation, then you have no moral rights or grounds to criticize what others believe. Because what exactly is your basis for criticism. You only criticize something based on a standard, so what's the standard for criticizing religious beliefs on creation?

Zionmdde:
Lol
It's just being scared on standing a ground
If you don't believe anything about creation, then you have no moral rights or grounds to criticize what others believe. Because what exactly is your basis for criticism. You only criticize something based on a standard, so what's the standard for criticizing religious beliefs on creation?

Very interesting.

Now let me use your own logic and turn the spotlight back on you.

Please tell us the moral standard you're using that allows you to judge or criticize others outside your faith?

FiveFootNinja:
Very interesting.

Now let me use your own logic and turn the spotlight back on you.

Please tell us the standard you're using that allows you to judge or criticize others outside your faith?

I personally don't criticize beliefs but the behaviour that emanates from beliefs

Let me even say I criticize other people's belief, I do it based on the standard of my belief. Because I believe my Bible is right. So at least I am holding on to something

Zionmdde:
I personally don't criticize beliefs but the behaviour that emanates from beliefs

Let me even say I criticize other people's belief, I do it based on the standard of my belief. Because I believe my Bible is right. So at least I am holding on to something

Okay. So what about those people from other religions or worldviews that don't share your beliefs? Do they not have the right to criticize or evaluate your beliefs based on their own standards? Or do you think there aren't others out their who believe their code of ethics supersedes all?

Zionmdde:
Because I believe my Bible is right.

Belief is not knowledge by the way, in the conventional sense. So at the end of the day, it is your OPINION that the Bible is right. Keep that in mind.

FiveFootNinja:
Okay. So what about those people from other religions or worldviews that don't share your beliefs? Do they not have the right to criticize or evaluate your beliefs based on their own standards? Or do you think there aren't others out their who believe their code of ethics supersedes all?

Sure they have the right based on what they believe, as long as they won't scream foul when theirs is also criticized

FiveFootNinja:
Belief is not knowledge by the way, in the conventional sense. So at the end of the day, it is your OPINION that the Bible is right. Keep that in mind.

It is my opinion
But sorry to burst your bubbles, if I believe the Bible is right then I also believe that I cannot scientifically prove everything in the Bible, because that won't be spiritual at all and I believe most things in the Bible are spiritual

Zionmdde:
Sure they have the right based on what they believe, as long as they won't scream foul when theirs is also criticized

Very good.

So therefore, you accept that your beliefs, just like those of people outside your faith are fair game for criticism and evaluation. Correct?

FiveFootNinja:
Very good.

So therefore, you accept that your beliefs, just like those of people outside your faith are fair game for criticism and evaluation. Correct?

Sure as long as you argue with your own beliefs

Zionmdde:
It is my opinion
But sorry to burst your bubbles, if I believe the Bible is right then I also believe that I cannot scientifically prove everything in the Bible, because that won't be spiritual at all and I believe most thunder in the Bible are spiritual

You don't need to be sorry because my bubbles are still intact. You already admitted that you can't show scientific evidence for your faith. And I already know your Bible isn't grounded in reality so there's nothing to argue with you there.

I'm just wondering - since you didn't arrive at your belief via evidence, what reasoning or methodology did you use, that convinced you that it was objectively true?

Zionmdde:
Sure as long as you argue with your own beliefs

Do you seriously think that rejecting religious beliefs means lacking a code of ethics? Think carefully before you answer.

FiveFootNinja:
Do you seriously think that rejecting religious beliefs means lacking a code of ethics? Think carefully before you answer.

We are talking about creation, and every human believes something at least, so the question is, what do you believe? Believe and code of ethics are different

Zionmdde:
Sure as long as you argue with your own beliefs

Ọmọ you be Peter the rock? Matthew 16:18
I'm just amazed at your intelligence!

FiveFootNinja:
Do you seriously think that rejecting religious beliefs means lacking a code of ethics? Think carefully before you answer.

Don't you think it's time to include Zionmade in your IGNORE LIST?

FiveFootNinja:
You don't need to be sorry because my bubbles are still intact. You already admitted that you can't show scientific evidence for your faith. And I already know your Bible isn't grounded in reality so there's nothing to argue with you there.

I'm just wondering - since you didn't arrive at your belief via evidence, what reasoning or methodology did you use, that convinced you that it was objectively true?

I didn't say my belief is objective, infact no believe on creation is objective and can be scientifically proven. So my believe is plainly subjective. If you have an objective belief on that, you can come up.with it

Zionmdde:
I didn't say my belief is objective, infact no believe on creation is objective and can be scientifically proven. So my believe is plainly subjective. If you have an objective belief on that, you can come up.with it

Guy you are too much!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you be Peter the rock? Matthew 16:18
I'm just amazed at your intelligence!

I am a Christian
I am also deeply into the science field
When an issue has no empirical backing, I believe what I believe.and allow others believe what they believe. It's called tolerance and respect for belief

Zionmdde:
I am a Christian
I am also deeply into the science field
When an issue has no empirical backing, I believe what I believe.and allow others believe what they believe. It's called tolerance and respect for belief

Excellent!

Abba3point7:
First of all, the AI was built by men, Second of all the reasons why u r finding it hard to believe is that, believing such stories is beyond human comprehension that is why u are asked to use faith to believe it.

How can you use faith to believe something that physically happen to and by humans like you?? Does it even make sense to you?..

Zionmdde:
We are talking about creation, and every human believes something at least, so the question is, what do you believe? Believe and code of ethics are different

Exactly. Belief in something is different from having a code of ethics.

So since you agree with this fact, why then did you say this?:

Zionmdde:
If you don't believe anything about creation, then you have no moral rights or grounds to criticize what others believe.

Zionmdde:
I didn't say my belief is objective, infact no believe on creation is objective and can be scientifically proven. So my believe is plainly subjective. If you have an objective belief on that, you can come up.with it

It's perfectly fine that your belief is subjective.

As for me, I don't have any "beliefs" about creation. I simply follow the evidence. There are hypotheses and theories that exist within the scientific community that perfectly explain creation better than practically all religions out there. But ultimately, none of it has to do with my atheism.

FiveFootNinja:
It's perfectly fine that your belief is subjective.

As for me, I don't have any "beliefs" about creation. There are hypotheses and theories that exist within the scientific community that perfectly explain creation. But ultimately, none of it has to do with my atheism.

Those hypothesis contradicts or physical laws
There is no possible scientific explanation that life can come out from a non living thing. No theory has ever pointed objectively to the origin of "life"

Zionmdde:
Those hypothesis contradicts or physical laws
There is no possible scientific explanation that life can come out from a non living thing. No theory has ever pointed objectively to the origin of "life"

It's none of my business. Like I said before, none of that has anything to do with my atheism. So the truth status of the ToE, Big Bang, etc is irrelevant to me.

And for all the flaws you "think" evolution or abiogenesis (which you described here) has, its postulates are still far more plausible than anything from religion. That's my point.

So Occam's Razor applies.

FiveFootNinja:
It's none of my business. Like I said before, none of that has anything to do with my atheism. So the truth status of the ToE, Big Bang, etc is irrelevant to me.

And for all the flaws you "think" evolution or abiogenesis (which you described here) has, its postulates are still far more plausible than anything from religion. That's my point.

So Occam's Razor applies.

OK in summary, we are all confused
Now embrace your confusion and let others embrace theirs
There is nothing plausible anywhere, we are confused on the matter of creation, so let's keep that way

Zionmdde:
OK in summary, we are all confused
Now embrace your confusion and let others embrace theirs
There is nothing plausible anywhere, we are confused on the matter of creation, so let's keep that way

Exactly. We're all wallowing in mystery and confusion. There's a lot we don't understand about the universe and that's why we rely on the scientific method. It's not perfect, but it gets the job done far better than any religion out there.

I'm usually suspicious of people who lay claim to universal truth. That's why I'm relieved that you understand the subjectivity of your faith.

Honestly the only reason I even quoted you is because of this sentiment you've been expressing on this thread:

If you don't believe anything about creation, then you have no moral rights or grounds to criticize what others believe.

This statement you made here is terribly false, and that's why I took you to task for it.

Although somehow you've gone ahead to contradict yourself later by admitting that belief in something has nothing to do with the code of ethics.

I'm not sure what prompted your strange and funny volte face. But I'm happy you agree that I don't have to believe in something to call it out for its flaws. So thanks, I guess. 👍🏽

otipoju:
I am a Christian and the problem with folks like you is that you think you know it all.

The greatest mistake you can do with the bible is to read a very very very ancient text with modern eyes.


Those in the time of Noah living in the same locality where the flood happened, probably never saw a Chinese man nor were aware of the existence of Red Indians.

Their entire world was their locality...same as the Yoruba or Congolese.

The whole world for them was as far as the eyes could see and legs could walk.

So if they passed on the stories of the destruction of the entire world, it was the destruction if "THEIR" entire world.

It doesn't stop God from being God.

And I really hope you don't believe in evolution which is even more rationally more " fantastical" than the creation story.

That humans evolved from tadpoles and apes over millions of years from a big bang that happened in a vacuum is not a rationale way of explaining the existence of the universe.

The truth is that mankind's knowledge of the origin of the cosmos is severely limited and can be delibating so whatever individuals do to gave a sense of purpose should not be mocked.

You sound equally as foolish...the Christian recognizes that his belief system is irrational and depends on faith...your clinging to evolution fantasy as fact is comical to say the least.

I never claimed I know it all… but I am very certain the Tower of Babel never happened and Noah’s ark is bullshit

Even a child knows that…

And don’t worry about why I believe..

Face the issue…
I am here mocking your Tower of Babel story and many other ridiculous stories in the Bible….

This method of argument is common among you Christians… instead of facing the issue, you all will derail and start attacking the personality..

Did I write the Bible?? Lmao

The fact is they never happened

If you like cry from today till tomorrow, beg and weep like a baby… the Bible is a lie…
I even tried to beg chat gpt for mercy🤣🤣🤣

Stay Tune

More coming

Zionmdde:
Said someone who is afraid to state his belief. You claim you are smart but yet you cannot air your opinion because you know very well how senseless your opinion will sound

My believe is irrelevant

What matters is the truth..

We must establish that truth by fire by force…

If you like cry from today till tomorrow…. Bible remains a bullshit story that doesn’t make sense.. cry me a river 😭😭

StillDtruth:
When it is pointed out that you atheists are foolish you get foolishly angry.

Did A.I fall from the sky?
Is it not a toy created by biased human which you already confirmed that Humans can be biased?

So is it not clear that A.I was created by foolish atheists like you who made it to be nice in certain things and not nice when it comes to Christianity?

So, see it, right here you are advertising the very same reasonable bias which you accuse others .

Did Bible fall from the sky?? 😭😭😭