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Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 2:23am On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24 ran back for lessons or is looking for where to giraffe and copy from?

Present the full text of these verses in Hafs and Warsh and reference your source.

Messi and Ronaldo play and compete at football so are not analogous to this discussion or is this what your brain if you actually have one tells you?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 6:28am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Gabrielshow24 ran back for lessons or is looking for where to giraffe and copy from?

Present the full text of these verses in Hafs and Warsh and reference your source.

Messi and Ronaldo play and compete at football so are not analogous to this discussion or is this what your brain if you actually have one tells you?
Your foolishness is so glaring there's no need for me to continue such conversation with you.
You are intellectually dishonest!
In both Qurans, the verses are there for all to see, whether I post the full version or not doesn't undermine the flaw!

Common sense should have told you that my football analogy buttresses my question 🤨—Identity!

Who exactly is doing the wondering is what both you and your sheiks have failed to provide a meaningful answer to? 🤨

So far, it is evident to all that reads that you have no answer to this. Your "airbending" skills will put Aang to shame! You have nothing to do than to evade and avoid🤨
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 6:34am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Do yourself a favour and place pictures of the full arabic text of the warsh and hafs text of this verse not just the verb here let me show you something.



Didn't I answer this before?

You would have written but have not been able to write anything except what you copy from others.
You have done that already🤨.
You posted the verses trying to explain "away" the English meaning 🥲.

For the second paragraph, it seems you were high🤨 because I didn't ask the same question again.

Kindly provide a simple answer 👀
Who wondered? 🤨—Allah or Muhammad 🧐.

You can consult the other Quranic versions if you like 😂😂😂, it doesn't change the logical implications of both🥲.

Just imagine and they claim the QURAN is perfectly preserved 😂😂😂, shey na Allah preserve this one so🤨? Allah for don sleep go 👀
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 8:59am On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
You have done that already🤨.
You posted the verses trying to explain "away" the English meaning 🥲.

For the second paragraph, it seems you were high🤨 because I didn't ask the same question again.

Kindly provide a simple answer 👀
Who wondered? 🤨—Allah or Muhammad 🧐.

You can consult the other Quranic versions if you like 😂😂😂, it doesn't change the logical implications of both🥲.

Just imagine and they claim the QURAN is perfectly preserved 😂😂😂, shey na Allah preserve this one so🤨? Allah for don sleep go 👀
I have done that or your ignorance makes you think so because it appears to go with you silly argument.

I happily enjoy waxing and pushing your stupidity in decoy and you bought it. Now go bury your head in shame.


Now shut up and desist from typing what you know nothing about.

Let's reveal your stupidity now. In both hafs and Warsh version of Quran recitation the same word for marvel is used ajibtu. It is more intense in one than the other. Prove me wrong Mr Foolish Wise John Bull.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh in both cases marvels.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 9:41am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
I have done that or your ignorance makes you think so because it appears to go with you silly argument.

I happily enjoy waxing and pushing your stupidity in decoy and you bought it. Now go bury your head in shame.


Now shut up and desist from typing what you know nothing about.

Let's reveal your stupidity now. In both hafs and Warsh version of Quran recitation the same word for marvel is used ajibtu. It is more intense in one than the other. Prove me wrong Mr Foolish Wise John Bull.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh in both cases marvels.
Really? 😂😂😂.
Then both you and your Quran are liars!

When the supposed word of Allah says he wonders then some wannabe prophet Muhammad says otherwise 😂😂😂.

There is no length you won't go to keep this sham of a religion 😂😂😂.
For everyone seeing this, you can all see where our Ogbomosho Quran specialist said that it's Muhammad doing the wondering 😂😂😂, in both Quranic versions for that matter 🤨.

Wonders shall never cease.
Foolishness is bliss.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 9:46am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
I have done that or your ignorance makes you think so because it appears to go with you silly argument.

I happily enjoy waxing and pushing your stupidity in decoy and you bought it. Now go bury your head in shame.


Now shut up and desist from typing what you know nothing about.

Let's reveal your stupidity now. In both hafs and Warsh version of Quran recitation the same word for marvel is used ajibtu. It is more intense in one than the other. Prove me wrong Mr Foolish Wise John Bull.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh in both cases marvels.
Maybe you are just ignorant 😂😂 but the internet never forgets.

Go look above, you will see where your sheepish narrative was stated🥲. If you continue in your lies then I will expose you by posting all your horrible defense😂😂 explaining away the English translation 🤧
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:36am On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you are just ignorant 😂😂 but the internet never forgets.

Go look above, you will see where your sheepish narrative was stated🥲. If you continue in your lies then I will expose you by posting all your horrible defense😂😂 explaining away the English translation 🤧
Present my lie and further reveal how silly you are. Vindicate the truth that I let you grow fat with your lie before joyfully popping your balloon.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!
Present you Hafs and Warsh Quran in aranbic to prove your highlated statement above.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 10:38am On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Really? 😂😂😂.
Then both you and your Quran are liars!

When the supposed word of Allah says he wonders then some wannabe prophet Muhammad says otherwise 😂😂😂.

There is no length you won't go to keep this sham of a religion 😂😂😂.
For everyone seeing this, you can all see where our Ogbomosho Quran specialist said that it's Muhammad doing the wondering 😂😂😂, in both Quranic versions for that matter 🤨.

Wonders shall never cease.
Foolishness is bliss.
Nothing beats making a foolish liar think his lie is truth and later revealing the truth so his stupidity is revealed.

Kindly show in the Hafs and/or Warsh the word saying Allah wondered.

Too eager to run with a story without verifying. This is the height of it.

The people surely stay perishing due to lack of knowledge.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 11:29am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Nothing beats making a foolish liar think his lie is truth and later revealing the truth so his stupidity is revealed.

Kindly show in the Hafs and/or Warsh the word saying Allah wondered.

Too eager to run with a story without verifying. This is the height of it.

The people surely stay perishing due to lack of knowledge.
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12

Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 11:33am On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Present my lie and further reveal how silly you are. Vindicate the truth that I let you grow fat with your lie before joyfully popping your balloon.



Present you Hafs and Warsh Quran in aranbic to prove your highlated statement above.
As ignorant as his prophet 😂😂😂!

I will like to see you wiggle your way out of this one! Although, you are very disingenuous! 🤨

Without lies, Islam dies😂😂😂
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 11:39am On Apr 05, 2025
Isn't it amusing? A grown man—albeit somewhat educated—struggles to pinpoint the subject of 'astonishment' and resorts to a vague theme as a childlike excuse for scripture. Talk about a masterclass in intellectual gymnastics! Truly pathetic, yet somehow entertaining! 😂😂😂
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:41pm On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Isn't it amusing? A grown man—albeit somewhat educated—struggles to pinpoint the subject of 'astonishment' and resorts to a vague theme as a childlike excuse for scripture. Talk about a masterclass in intellectual gymnastics! Truly pathetic, yet somehow entertaining! 😂😂😂
First take your own advice and place the hafs and Warsh version of the Quran alongside each other. I like to see you prove your case in black and white not bogus mouth running. Call your friends and teachers to help you out of the hole you worked right in to.

There's nothing vague in leading a wise but stupid blind man to the hole he dug up himself.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 12:45pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
First take your own advice and place the hafs and Warsh version of the Quran alongside each other. I like to see you prove your case in black and white not bogus mouth running. Call your friends and teachers to help you out of the hole you worked right in to.
Ah, the irony! You’re asking for evidence while conveniently ignoring the pictures and links I’ve already provided showcasing both the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Quran. It’s almost as if you’re impervious to facts! And let’s not forget, there are even more versions that split on the very identity of your book’s supposed 'astonishment.' So, while you’re busy digging that hole, I’ll be over here, basking in the glorious light of actual evidence! 🌟
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 12:50pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
There's nothing vague in leading a wise but stupid blind man to the hole he dug up himself.
Ah, the wisdom of leading a blind man to his own hole! But let’s be real: it takes a special kind of talent to dig a pit so deep that even the wise can’t help but laugh. So while you’re busy patting yourself on the back for your 'insight,' just remember: sometimes the biggest hole is the one you’ve dug in your own logic! 😂🔥
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:51pm On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12
Hamza Al-Kisai and Warsh are two different Qirā’āt

Did you not type?

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!
I have asked you to show me Hafs and Warsh in arabic to see the different recitals where is Hamza Al Kisal coming from? Is it = to Hafs or Warsh?

Silly boy. You have just put out a clown display.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 12:54pm On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony! You’re asking for evidence while conveniently ignoring the pictures and links I’ve already provided showcasing both the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Quran. It’s almost as if you’re impervious to facts! And let’s not forget, there are even more versions that split on the very identity of your book’s supposed 'astonishment.' So, while you’re busy digging that hole, I’ll be over here, basking in the glorious light of actual evidence! 🌟
You see how you like to broadcast your ignorance?

Where and How is Qalun and Hamza al Kisali equal to Warsh?

You see your stupidity in black and white?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24:
Ohyoudidnt:
Hamza Al-Kisai and Warsh are two different Qirā’āt

Did you not type?



I have asked you to show me Hafs and Warsh in arabic to see the different recitals where is Hamza Al Kisal coming from? Is it = to Hafs or Warsh?

Silly boy. You have just put out a clown display.
You really are a gem of ignorance, aren’t you? 😂 Did you even bother to look at the pictures I provided? It’s almost impressive how you can miss the point so spectacularly! But then again, like master, like servant—clown displays seem to run in the family! 🤔🎪
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24:
Ohyoudidnt:
You see how you like to broadcast your ignorance?

Where and How is Qalun and Hamza al Kisali equal to Warsh?

You see your stupidity in black and white?
How many pictures are there? 🤨
Were you blind to the third one? 😂😂😂


Foolishness is indeed bliss!
They come more dumb these days😂😂😂
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 1:18pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
You see how you like to broadcast your ignorance?

Where and How is Qalun and Hamza al Kisali equal to Warsh?

You see your stupidity in black and white?
Oh, the irony! You’re the one broadcasting your ignorance while I’m just here, ready to shine a spotlight on it whenever you need! 🤨 As for Qalun and Hamza al-Kisai, perhaps a little research would help you see the connections—if only you could tear yourself away from your own echo chamber! But don’t worry, I’ll always be here to showcase your delightful misunderstandings in style! 🎤✨🙃
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 2:45pm On Apr 05, 2025
You see how stupid your reasoning is Johnbull. Did you or did you not categorically say that Hafs and Warsh portray different things?




Gabrielshow24:
Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!
This is what you say. Is this not why you started to step back when I asked you to present the full verses of each in Arabic?

When did Hafs or Warsh turn into other Qiraats or you flip one for the other with an undiscerning audience?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24:
Ohyoudidnt:
You see how stupid your reasoning is Johnbull. Did you or did you not categorically say that Hafs and Warsh portray different things?




Gabrielshow24:
Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!



This is what you say. Is this not why you started to step back when I asked you to present the full verses of each in Arabic?

When did Hafs or Warsh turn into other Qiraats or you flip one for the other with an undiscerning audience?
Ah, the irony of your 'stupid reasoning' claim! After a '30-minute'🤧 hiatus to educate yourself, you return with the same tired arguments—talk about a masterclass in futility! 🤦‍♂️ And let’s not forget the glaring fact that the phrase 'Warsh on the authority of Nafi' is clearly visible in the third image. But I guess turning a blind eye to evidence is just part of your charm! Keep digging, my friend; the deeper you go, the more entertaining this becomes! 😂🔍
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 6:27pm On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony of your 'stupid reasoning' claim! After a '30-minute'🤧 hiatus to educate yourself, you return with the same tired arguments—talk about a masterclass in futility! 🤦‍♂️ And let’s not forget the glaring fact that the phrase 'Warsh on the authority of Nafi' is clearly visible in the third image. But I guess turning a blind eye to evidence is just part of your charm! Keep digging, my friend; the deeper you go, the more entertaining this becomes! 😂🔍
How stupid is pointing the truth that you falsely and wrongly attribute word or phrase difference between Hafs and Warsh when there isn't.

Your attempt to correct yourself by bringing in Qalun and Hamza is even worse as you are attempting to replace history?

Worse too is your inability to comprehend the rich arabic language and it's use of metaphorical statement which I have explained earlier.

Carry on in arrogant ignorance John Bull the clown
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 7:30pm On Apr 05, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony of your 'stupid reasoning' claim! After a '30-minute'🤧 hiatus to educate yourself, you return with the same tired arguments—talk about a masterclass in futility! 🤦‍♂️ And let’s not forget the glaring fact that the phrase 'Warsh on the authority of Nafi' is clearly visible in the third image. But I guess turning a blind eye to evidence is just part of your charm! Keep digging, my friend; the deeper you go, the more entertaining this becomes! 😂🔍
All this to hide your flaw?

You have a lot jumbled up and are so confused. Sadly my person is none of a neurologist, neuro psychologist or other psychologist. Get yourself checked and treated.

I initially thought your problem was poor schooling but now know that it psychological or is it spiritual?

It is definitely not a lie that you say Hafs and Warsh use different words portraying surprise but the reality shows otherwise you show clown.

Now you try to parry to Qalun and Hamzah al kisali but this does you no good as the former is mainly used Qālūn in Libya and Tunisia while the latter is studied mainly by scholars and not used in widespread daily recitation.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 8:32pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
How stupid is pointing the truth that you falsely and wrongly attribute word or phrase difference between Hafs and Warsh when there isn't.

Your attempt to correct yourself by bringing in Qalun and Hamza is even worse as you are attempting to replace history?

Worse too is your inability to comprehend the rich arabic language and it's use of metaphorical statement which I have explained earlier.

Carry on in arrogant ignorance John Bull the clown
Oh, how the tides have turned! Now you’re trying to play the wise sage, but let’s not forget your earlier clownish antics! 🎪 Your claim that there’s no difference between Hafs and Warsh is as misguided as your attempt to lecture me on the richness of the Arabic language—clearly, you’re the one missing the metaphorical boat! 🚢

And as for your feeble attempt to dismiss my references to Qalun and Hamza, it’s amusing how you think you can rewrite history while standing on the shaky ground of your own ignorance. So go ahead, carry on with your 'arrogant ignorance,' but just know that every time you try to correct me, you only dig your own hole deeper! 😂🔍
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 8:35pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
All this to hide your flaw?

You have a lot jumbled up and are so confused. Sadly my person is none of a neurologist, neuro psychologist or other psychologist. Get yourself checked and treated.

I initially thought your problem was poor schooling but now know that it psychological or is it spiritual?

It is definitely not a lie that you say Hafs and Warsh use different words portraying surprise but the reality shows otherwise you show clown.

Now you try to parry to Qalun and Hamzah al kisali but this does you no good as the former is mainly used Qālūn in Libya and Tunisia while the latter is studied mainly by scholars and not used in widespread daily recitation.
Oh, the irony of you calling me confused while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions! 🤡 It’s almost impressive how you’ve managed to turn a simple discussion into a psychological evaluation—too bad you’re not qualified for that either!

Let’s break it down: you claim I’m hiding flaws, yet it’s you who’s desperately trying to mask your own ignorance with baseless insults. The difference between Hafs and Warsh is not just a figment of my imagination; it’s a well-documented fact that you seem determined to ignore.

And your attempt to dismiss Qalun and Hamza al-Kisai as irrelevant is laughable! Just because they’re not your go-to examples doesn’t mean they lack significance. It’s clear you’re grasping at straws, trying to salvage your argument while drowning in your own contradictions.

So, while you’re busy diagnosing me, maybe take a good look in the mirror. The only clown here is the one who can’t see the glaring evidence right in front of him! 🎪💥
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 8:43pm On Apr 05, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
It is definitely not a lie that you say Hafs and Warsh use different words portraying surprise but the reality shows otherwise you show clown.
Resorting to Straw man😂😂😂—sign of a defeated fool.
Till now you are yet to tell us who was surprised🤔—ALLAH or Mohammed 😈.

Everyone can clearly see your elusions regarding this simple question🤔. It's just so pathetic 🤧

The Quran that was supposed to be concise, clear, decisive and explained all things besmeared by the intellectual defense of a two year old😂.

If you like turn a blind eye to the Quran version name, "Warsh on the authority of Nafi", on the site😂😂. All can see the English translation 🤧,no need for long talk. You go explain tire, even if Allah comes down to aid you, himself go explain tire🤕.

Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 3:57am On Apr 06, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Oh, the irony of you calling me confused while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions! 🤡 It’s almost impressive how you’ve managed to turn a simple discussion into a psychological evaluation—too bad you’re not qualified for that either!

Let’s break it down: you claim I’m hiding flaws, yet it’s you who’s desperately trying to mask your own ignorance with baseless insults. The difference between Hafs and Warsh is not just a figment of my imagination; it’s a well-documented fact that you seem determined to ignore.

And your attempt to dismiss Qalun and Hamza al-Kisai as irrelevant is laughable! Just because they’re not your go-to examples doesn’t mean they lack significance. It’s clear you’re grasping at straws, trying to salvage your argument while drowning in your own contradictions.

So, while you’re busy diagnosing me, maybe take a good look in the mirror. The only clown here is the one who can’t see the glaring evidence right in front of him! 🎪💥
Oh really? There are some differences between Hafs and Warsh for good reason including how words are pronounced (dialects) though they are both authentic however in Quran 37:12 this isn't the lies you portray. You were asked to place Hafs and Warsh recitals side by side which you all but not did or did you?

You say I downplay Hamza and Qalun yet it is clear that these were not mentioned by you in your original ignorant yet arrogant arguments. Bringing them in doesn't even help you as they are not strange to Muslims so you share or discover nothing to aid your foolery.

Gabrielshow24:
Resorting to Straw man😂😂😂—sign of a defeated fool.
Till now you are yet to tell us who was surprised🤔—ALLAH or Mohammed 😈.

Everyone can clearly see your elusions regarding this simple question🤔. It's just so pathetic 🤧

The Quran that was supposed to be concise, clear, decisive and explained all things besmeared by the intellectual defense of a two year old😂.

If you like turn a blind eye to the Quran version name, "Warsh on the authority of Nafi", on the site😂😂. All can see the English translation 🤧,no need for long talk. You go explain tire, even if Allah comes down to aid you, himself go explain tire🤕.
Surely the Quran is concise and clear even up to the extent of accommodating different styles that cater for dialect variations.

You obviously do not lack the knowledge and skills to place the Warsh an Nafi and Hafs directly beside each other but it seems I forget your limitations.

How can you use English; that borrows from so many other languages, to justify your stupidity? Are the translations in English absolute? No.

Can there be different translations of the some sematic word in arabic? Yes and the sentence environment/context the word is used in does this.

Arabic words can take on different meanings depending on the context of the sentence. This means that translators need to pay attention not just to the literal meanings of words, but also to the practical implications that come into play in specific situations.

You label my arguments straw man but fail to break the straws and invalidate the argument.


Too bad, I wish you quick and sustained recovery but cannot cure you.
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 4:12am On Apr 06, 2025
Show clown @Gabrielshow24 let me ask you if you will answer does the Christian concept of God know everything?
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 4:35am On Apr 06, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Oh really? There are some differences between Hafs and Warsh for good reason including how words are pronounced (dialects) though they are both authentic however in Quran 37:12 this isn't the lies you portray. You were asked to place Hafs and Warsh recitals side by side which you all but not did or did you?

You say I downplay Hamza and Qalun yet it is clear that these were not mentioned by you in your original ignorant yet arrogant arguments. Bringing them in doesn't even help you as they are not strange to Muslims so you share or discover nothing to aid your foolery.



Surely the Quran is concise and clear even up to the extent of accommodating different styles that cater for dialect variations.

You obviously do not lack the knowledge and skills to place the Warsh an Nafi and Hafs directly beside each other but it seems I forget your limitations.

How can you use English; that borrows from so many other languages, to justify your stupidity? Are the translations in English absolute? No.

Can there be different translations of the some sematic word in arabic? Yes and the sentence environment/context the word is used in does this.

Arabic words can take on different meanings depending on the context of the sentence. This means that translators need to pay attention not just to the literal meanings of words, but also to the practical implications that come into play in specific situations.

You label my arguments straw man but fail to break the straws and invalidate the argument.


Too bad, I wish you quick and sustained recovery but cannot cure you.
Oh, the hypocrisy is rich coming from you! You claim to seek clarity while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions. Yes, there are differences in pronunciation between Hafs and Warsh, but you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that I’ve already placed them side by side—both in text and in pictorial representation! 📜🖼️

Your insistence that I didn’t do this is just another desperate attempt to deflect from your own ignorance. It’s almost comical how you accuse me of downplaying Hamza and Qalun when you were the one who initially dismissed them! You can’t just cherry-pick your arguments and then act surprised when they crumble under scrutiny. 🍒💥

And let’s talk about your so-called 'concise and clear' Quran. Yes, it accommodates different styles, but that doesn’t negate the fact that the differences between Hafs and Warsh are significant and well-documented. Your attempt to belittle my arguments as 'foolery' only highlights your inability to engage with the actual content.

You lecture me on the nuances of Arabic and the context of translations, yet you fail to grasp that the same applies to your own arguments! Just because English borrows from many languages doesn’t mean it lacks depth; it simply reflects the richness of human communication.

So, while you wish me a 'quick and sustained recovery,' perhaps you should focus on your own intellectual health. It’s clear you’re the one in need of a cure for your delusions! Keep trying, though; every time you swing and miss, you only make this more entertaining! 😂🎤
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 4:40am On Apr 06, 2025
Ohyoudidnt:
Show clown @Gabrielshow24 let me ask you if you will answer does the Christian concept of God know everything?
Oh, look at you trying to pivot the conversation! 🎭 When the heat gets too intense, just throw in a curveball about the Christian concept of God—classic deflection! But let’s be real: your desperate attempts to digress only highlight how shaky your position is.

Instead of addressing the actual topic at hand, you’re grasping at straws, hoping to distract from your inability to defend your earlier claims. It’s almost admirable how you try to shift the focus, but let’s not forget: we’re here to discuss Hafs and Warsh, not theological debates!

So, while you’re busy pondering the omniscience of God, I’ll be right here, ready to remind you of the facts you keep sidestepping. Keep it coming; your attempts at diversion are just adding to the entertainment! 🎤✨😂
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Gabrielshow24: 4:44am On Apr 06, 2025
Ah, the age-old debate: with a veritable cornucopia of evidence at our fingertips, one can't help but ponder—who truly wondered, Allah or Momo(police be upon him)? 🤔✨🙃
Re: Moslems And Quran Experts - Is This True? by Ohyoudidnt: 7:02am On Apr 06, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Oh, the hypocrisy is rich coming from you! You claim to seek clarity while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions. Yes, there are differences in pronunciation between Hafs and Warsh, but you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that I’ve already placed them side by side—both in text and in pictorial representation! 📜🖼️

Your insistence that I didn’t do this is just another desperate attempt to deflect from your own ignorance. It’s almost comical how you accuse me of downplaying Hamza and Qalun when you were the one who initially dismissed them! You can’t just cherry-pick your arguments and then act surprised when they crumble under scrutiny. 🍒💥

And let’s talk about your so-called 'concise and clear' Quran. Yes, it accommodates different styles, but that doesn’t negate the fact that the differences between Hafs and Warsh are significant and well-documented. Your attempt to belittle my arguments as 'foolery' only highlights your inability to engage with the actual content.

You lecture me on the nuances of Arabic and the context of translations, yet you fail to grasp that the same applies to your own arguments! Just because English borrows from many languages doesn’t mean it lacks depth; it simply reflects the richness of human communication.

So, while you wish me a 'quick and sustained recovery,' perhaps you should focus on your own intellectual health. It’s clear you’re the one in need of a cure for your delusions! Keep trying, though; every time you swing and miss, you only make this more entertaining! 😂🎤
My goodness! Please quote your post where you put Warsh and Hafs side by pictorialy and in words on this thread if you are honest.

I accused you of downplaying Hamza and Qalun? Seems you are very much more confused

Did you not type?
Gabrielshow24:
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12

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