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StillDtruth:
Taking man back to the very things that is all the old paganisms and idolatries and abominations and evils which the very people of old did that made He Who is God to wipe them out after raining down plagues?

It is Written "he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate God love death."

Don't you think it is wrong to support those branding God as a brute who is punishing unbelief and idolatry?. If we continue to allow God to be portrayed that way, don't you think we will continue getting the same results?. Results like holy wars, hate, segregation and etc. What we sow is what we will reap. I presume you are a gentleman. Can you as a gentleman be burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry?. On idolatry, can you as a parent tell your kids to respect no other person but you?. There is the supreme deity and lesser deities, ancestors and other spirits. Mostly all cultures agree. You should be able to see why religion is incompatible with human progress

StillDtruth:
Taking man back to the very things that is all the old paganisms and idolatries and abominations and evils which the very people of old did that made He Who is God to wipe them out after raining down plagues?

It is Written "he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate God love death."



Please, stop talking rubbish. No where did you see Paul teach Judah-ism. From beginning to the end you see him preach Christ

And no where do you see Christians involved in government to the point that they have guns and nuclear bombs.

It is all you evil people and pagans as proven by the rituals your brothers who are politicians do to attain power to rule over their fellow men

Christianity was originally a Judaism sect called Nazarene. They originally had no Gentile member.

We need to get rid of Christianity first.
If we do, Islam will fall naturally. The mistake the Arabs made was adding Christian ideas to their beliefs. They should have been neutral.
We need to go back to the spirituality. This was the world setting q before the advent of Christianity. Christianity is a false concept based on a false premise. There is no where God said he was going to send anybody. Jesus did not come in his name...God does nothing without revealing it to his servants Amos 3:7..
God abhores human sacrifice or killing of any human for sacrifice for that matter.
We need to understand that the main battle is within us. The war is against our ego..pride, jealousy, envy...etc. That is the narrow road.

sonmvayina:
We need to get rid of Christianity first.
If we do, Islam will fall naturally. The mistake the Arabs made was adding Christian ideas to their beliefs. They should have been neutral.
We need to go back to the spirituality. This was the world setting q before the advent of Christianity. Christianity is a false concept based on a false premise. There is no where God said he was going to send anybody. Jesus did not come in his name...God does nothing without revealing it to his servants Amos 3:7..
God abhores human sacrifice or killing of any human for sacrifice for that matter.
We need to understand that the main battle is within us. The war is against our ego..pride, jealousy, envy...etc. That is the narrow road.

Thanks bro. In fact Islam is not more than a sect of Christianity. Mohammed believed in the virgin birth and prophet hood of Jesus Christ. Only early Christians believed such. Jews have never. It shows that Mohammed was converted by a Christian sect. He added what he added to the practice in order to convert his people. It is the same way Europeans added Christmas a practice that predated Christianity to Christianity in order to convert the people. They changed the day of worship to Sunday to convert the people.

Everything will change as we will no doubt be able to convince the leaders in due course of time

lawani:
Christianity was originally a Judaism sect called Nazarene. They originally had no Gentile member.

Wrong!

Even from Moses the Jews never followed Christianity which God set for them. And Judah-ism was one of the may religions they took up and created for themselves in their disobedience and rebellion against God.

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

lawani:
Don't you think it is wrong to support those branding God as a brute who is punishing unbelief and idolatry?. If we continue to allow God to be portrayed that way, don't you think we will continue getting the same results?. Results like holy wars, hate, segregation and etc. What we sow is what we will reap. I presume you are a gentleman. Can you as a gentleman be burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry?. On idolatry, can you as a parent tell your kids to respect no other person but you?. There is the supreme deity and lesser deities, ancestors and other spirits. Mostly all cultures agree. You should be able to see why religion is incompatible with human progress

It is only an evil person deserving of great punishment who says that a Judge is a brute.

And no where did God Say that He shall punish a person for not believing. Rather that
He will render to each person according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And since God warned you not commit idolatry and you disobeyed, then you have only yourself to blame for the calamity that you have thrown yourself into

StillDtruth:
It is only an evil person deserving of great punishment who says that a Judge is a brute.

And no where did God Say that He shall punish a person for not believing. Rather that
He will render to each person according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

And since God warned you not commit idolatry and you disobeyed, then you have only yourself to blame for the calamity that you have thrown yourself into

A secular judge here on Earth can not punish you for idolatry and unbelief, so why compare your religious God to a secular judge?. A secular judge does things based only on common sense. God is a just God and there is no reason to believe he is the brute religion is portraying him as.

I am surprised you don't know religionists threaten unbelievers with their God's hell fire. How I wish they leave unbelievers alone like you say

lawani:
When your God is violent and cruel.

Religion portrays God as a violent and cruel entity who punishes people for unbelief and idolatry. Traditional spiritualities on the other hand portray God as a father of all who is interested in the welfare of his children meaning all of us. Traditional spiritualities are generally in the same approximate format all over the world of having a supreme deity, lesser deities and nature worship, then they have divination systems at different levels of advancement.
When your God is the God of religion with a holy book and who punishes unbelief and idolatry, you are going to have bad results like jihads, crusades, hate killings and etc in your land and justified with God. These things were not justified with God on Earth before the beginning of religion in the first century. Wars in the past before religion used to be only for territory.
We need to reset Earth’s society to what it was before the beginning of religion and where to start from is to impose a ban on the public practice of Islam and Christianity while God the father and Supreme deity is taught in schools to children as a loving father who is not against idolatry or unbelief. He is only against evil doing.
When your God is violent and cruel, your society will also tend to be violent and cruel.

Are you claiming that traditional spirituality is not a religion?
Who is the God of traditional spiritualities?

Truthseeker10:
Are you claiming that traditional spirituality is not a religion?
Who is the God of traditional spiritualities?

It is just spirituality that has methodology and uses the scientific approach. They.have divination which can be taught to anybody while religion has holy book which must be believed. All cultures have their inbred traditional spirituality just like their language. They all use divination however simple. They are not religions. Religion is the opposite of science.
The God of traditional spirituality is definitely not the same as the jealous holy book God.

lawani:
It is just spirituality that has methodology and uses the scientific approach. They.have divination which can be taught to anybody while religion has holy book which must be believed. All cultures have their inbred traditional spirituality just like their language. They all use divination however simple. They are not religions. Religion is the opposite of science.
The God of traditional spirituality is definitely not the same as the jealous holy book God.

Kindly define Religion.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly define Religion.

I understand your predicament. Many people lump all spiritualities together as religion but I don't, because not doing so makes my work easier and I am not the only one that do that. Religion is anti science because of its holy books that must not be peer reviewed while traditional spirituality is scientific because it has divination and etc. The word religion was coined rather recently and it was to define Christianity first then Islam. When something is scientific it has to be divorced from religion. The only two religions are Christianity and Islam while others are scientific. That.is the platform I stand on to fight my battle and all the time I have issues with people saying there are over five thousand religions.

lawani:
A secular judge here on Earth can not punish you for idolatry and unbelief, so why compare your religious God to a secular judge?. A secular judge does things based only on common sense. God is a just God and there is no reason to believe he is the brute religion is portraying him as.

A Judge applies The Law that has been commanded.

Even your secular judges apply the laws their own kings have given them.

So also shall God's Judges apply The Laws that He has commanded.

And the beginning of just is, is when Law is applied.

lawani:
I am surprised you don't know religionists threaten unbelievers with their God's hell fire.

Who has not heard what they say?

And have you not heard that you can not threaten an old woman with pregnancy? You are already threatened whether anyone tells you because when you do the wrong, you must fear punishment. So leave mata.

lawani:
How I wish they leave unbelievers alone like you say

Ehen, this is your pain of the matter. And unfortunately for you it is law full to issue out warnings of danger and doom like people give warning of snyper laced foods and meats.

lawani:
I understand your predicament. Many people lump all spiritualities together as religion but I don't, because not doing so makes my work easier and I am not the only one that do that. Religion is anti science because of its holy books that must not be peer reviewed while traditional spirituality is scientific because it has divination and etc. The word religion was coined rather recently and it was to define Christianity first then Islam. When something is scientific it has to be divorced from religion. The only two religions are Christianity and Islam while others are scientific. That.is the platform I stand on to fight my battle and all the time I have issues with people saying there are over five thousand religions.

Kindly tell us the source of the information in bold above, Is that the definition of religion?

lawani:
Christianity was originally a Judaism sect called Nazarene. They originally had no Gentile member.

Christianity has got nothing to do with Judaism..it is a Greek/Roman ideology.

They are only two religions on earth.. Christianity and Islam.
The rest are cultural spirituality. Which is not forced but experienced. It does not tell you what to believe, but allows you to experience and make your own judgement...and decisions. That is what the Torah was supposed to do for the isrealites...before the Christians added their religion at the end of it
It is about our higher self/consciousness against our ego. The battles are within. It is always about the two brothers Enki/Jacob/Osirus and Enlil/Esau/Set....and their equivalent names in different cultures.

Nothing more.

Many Nigerians are religious with zero knowledge of God/higher consciousness. Your beliefs don't make you righteous but your actions do. If you like believe that the moon is made of cheese or that a woman became pregnant without the input of a fertile man. It does not make you a good person. It only means you would believe anything no matter how absurd. What makes you good or bad is the actions and choices you make. That was why the laws were given as a guidance and as a lamp for our journey.
God has placed both good and evil in front of us, it is now left for us to make a choice and live with it or learn from it. Like I said earlier, the whole purpose is experience.....
So whether one Jesus died or 20 million Jesuses died, it does not have any benefit to you. Every one of us will die..it is God's judgement for man. It is your journey and life, there are no "get out of jail card"..you can either take responsibility for your life and make it worthwhile or join people every Sunday to shout "I receive"




Your choice.

sonmvayina:
Christianity has got nothing to do with Judaism..it is a Greek/Roman ideology.

I don't fully agree with you though because the Greeks and Romans were not fighting and killing for God like the Christians and Muslims. I agree that Christianity borrowed from Greeks and Romans in a bid to convert them. Christians were originally called Nazarenes after the origin of Jesus and Jesus was seen by his followers as a Jewish messiah though he said his own Jewish kingdom was in the hearts of men and avoided thus conflicts with Rome. The messiah status was substituted with Grecian Christ to form Christianity. The Christ in Greek is the perfect and blameless son of God while Messiah to the Jew was somebody to liberate Israel. There was no correlation originally but they have been merged into one by Christianity. The early Christians as a group were well behaved in Antioch and they were nicknamed Christians meaning little Christs. We can still say Judaism gave birth to Christianity because they somehow have the same us versus them attitude when it comes to spirituality which Greeks and Romans didn't have. The error was in preaching Jesus to Gentiles and Jesus himself would not have supported it. It was Paul's error. However the name of the son of Zeus the supreme deity of Greeks is Iesous Christ which was converted to Jesus Christ. The real name of the person executed by Jews that became the Christian God is Isa bin Pantheras.

sonmvayina:
Many Nigerians are religious with zero knowledge of God/higher consciousness. Your beliefs don't make you righteous but your actions do. If you like believe that the moon is made of cheese or that a woman became pregnant without the input of a fertile man. It does not make you a good person. It only means you would believe anything no matter how absurd. What makes you good or bad is the actions and choices you make. That was why the laws were given as a guidance and as a lamp for our journey.
God has placed both good and evil in front of us, it is now left for us to make a choice and live with it or learn from it. Like I said earlier, the whole purpose is experience.....
So whether one Jesus died or 20 million Jesuses died, it does not have any benefit to you. Every one of us will die..it is God's judgement for man. It is your journey and life, there are no "get out of jail card"..you can either take responsibility for your life and make it worthwhile or join people every Sunday to shout "I receive"




Your choice.

Thank you very much.

StillDtruth:
A Judge applies The Law that has been commanded.

Even your secular judges apply the laws their own kings have given them.

So also shall God's Judges apply The Laws that He has commanded.

And the beginning of just is, is when Law is applied.



Who has not heard what they say?

And have you not heard that you can not threaten an old woman with pregnancy? You are already threatened whether anyone tells you because when you do the wrong, you must fear punishment. So leave mata.



Ehen, this is your pain of the matter. And unfortunately for you it is law full to issue out warnings of danger and doom like people give warning of snyper laced foods and meats.

My 'pain of.the matter' is that we are saying God does what no sane person would do by punishing unbelief and idolatry and then forgiving sins on automatic, saying Jesus died for the crimes you will commit tomorrow. This is leaving a toll on humanity. If we believe God is violent and cruel, then our society will be violent and cruel. Christian saints killed over 100k people in Europe during.the inquisition, accusing them of witchcraft and it continues still. To stop all that, we have to stop Christianity and islam

I opened a thread here titled "the letter killeth" In my comments, I said the scripture where never meant to be taken at face value. The Bible does not mean what it says, it says what it means.
God is not a judgemental or blood thirsty entity. Like most people make it out to be. God simple refers to our higher consciousness. One epistle in the new testament actually put it in the right perspective "the purpose of life is to become like God's it means we have to over come our ego. That is the only way to become like God.
That is what the battles in the Tanakh means. They are not literal. The Amalekites represents "Doubt" you must totally kill all of them.. it is not and easy battle, but with determination you can win.

We will all win this war.
You must learn to trust .

Truthseeker10:
Kindly tell us the source of the information in bold above, Is that the definition of religion?

The root of the word religion is Latin and a cognate is Fascism. They both mean bound together

lawani:
The root of the word religion is Latin and a cognate is Fascism. They both mean bound together

Do you agree with the screenshot below?

lawani:
I don't fully agree with you though because the Greeks and Romans were not fighting and killing for God like the Christians and Muslims. I agree that Christianity borrowed from Greeks and Romans in a bid to convert them. Christians were originally called Nazarenes after the origin of Jesus and Jesus was seen by his followers as a Jewish messiah though he said his own Jewish kingdom was in the hearts of men and avoided thus conflicts with Rome. The messiah status was substituted with Grecian Christ to form Christianity. The Christ in Greek is the perfect and blameless son of God while Messiah to the Jew was somebody to liberate Israel. There was no correlation originally but they have been merged into one by Christianity. The early Christians as a group were well behaved in Antioch and they were nicknamed Christians meaning little Christs. We can still say Judaism gave birth to Christianity because they somehow have the same us versus them attitude when it comes to spirituality which Greeks and Romans didn't have. The error was in preaching Jesus to Gentiles and Jesus himself would not have supported it. It was Paul's error. However the name of the son of Zeus the supreme deity of Greeks is Iesous Christ which was converted to Jesus Christ. The real name of the person executed by Jews that became the Christian God is Isa bin Pantheras.

I have read through your comment. Let me make some few corrections.
1. It was the worshippers of serapis that were called Christians. I really don't know if there was any group of Jews called Nazarenes. There was no Nazareth in the first or second century. But there were nazarites, who were those that kept long hairs.
2. The worship of serapis originated from Egypt and spread to almost all part of the Roman empire. It was when emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for the empire that the presbyters at Nicaea had a choice between Christianity and Mithriaism. They voted to go with Christianity. They then tooshed it up and called it the Catholic Church
3. The Jewish Messiah the prophet wrote about is a man like me and you who would be descended from David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogies in Mathew and Luke, can not produce a Messiah.. His job was to usher in an era of peace and end oppression. Jesus did not fulfill it. (If he existed)
4. Was it Paul that created Christianity? I have a topic on that...look it up.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the screenshot below?

Let us leave it at that. I have explained to you why many people including myself don't refer to peaceful traditional spiritualities as religions

sonmvayina:
I have read through your comment. Let me make some few corrections.
1. It was the worshippers of serapis that were called Christians. I really don't know if there was any group of Jews called Nazarenes. There was no Nazareth in the first or second century. But there were nazarites, who were those that kept long hairs.
2. The worship of serapis originated from Egypt and spread to almost all part of the Roman empire. It was when emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for the empire that the presbyters at Nicaea had a choice between Christianity and Mithriaism. They voted to go with Christianity. They then tooshed it up and called it the Catholic Church
3. The Jewish Messiah the prophet wrote about is a man like me and you who would be descended from David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogies in Mathew and Luke, can not produce a Messiah.. His job was to usher in an era of peace and end oppression. Jesus did not fulfill it. (If he existed)
4. Was it Paul that created Christianity? I have a topic on that...look it up.

Even till today, the Islamic word for Christian is Nasara. Christian is a Greek word.
I agree that Jesus was not a Jewish messiah. He obviously wished it but he had no means of confronting the Romans. There were many that rose and were felled by the Romans.

I think Paul can be attributed as the founder of religion because he was the one that started preaching to Gentiles.

lawani:
Let us leave it at that. I have explained to you why many people including myself don't refer to peaceful traditional spiritualities as religions

I don't too.
Religion is from the root Latin word "Religare" which means to bind fast.....(Ie bind your mind fast) According to st Augustine.

lawani:
Let us leave it at that. I have explained to you why many people including myself don't refer to peaceful traditional spiritualities as religions

.😂😂You are a funny person. Do you agree with the screenshot or not? Simple question.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the screenshot below?

Well captured...

Religion is about beliefs and faith...

Spirituality is about knowledge.....

lawani:
My 'pain of.the matter' is that we are saying God does what no sane person would do by punishing unbelief and idolatry and then forgiving sins on automatic, saying Jesus died for the crimes you will commit tomorrow...

Even after I have corrected you that you are punished "according to your deeds" and Law, you still go on blaspheming God?

You certainly deserve every punishment that God shall put on you and verily verily God shall punish you such as no one can imagine.

Truthseeker10:
.😂😂You are a funny person. Do you agree with the screenshot or not? Simple question.

Side track the definition of religion. It does not negate the fact of the harm Christianity and Islam are causing on Earth. Islam and Christianity stand out as the only spiritualities today that people kill for and to spread. That is the issue to be confronted. Religion too is spirituality but only toxic. I and many others don't refer to traditional spiritualities that has always been there as religion.

StillDtruth:
Even after I have corrected you that you are punished "according to your deeds" and Law, you still go on blaspheming God?

You certainly deserve every punishment that God shall put on you and verily verily God shall punish you such as no one can imagine.

What sect of religion is yours?. Are you JW?. Even JW says God will exclude crime free unbelievers like me from eternal life. What sect are you that believe God does not punish unbelief?.