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Abeg o! But why the small cap for bishops and Pope? And why is a woman debased to just being the glory of man?



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Alright, it's time for history.

Uhh, how I love this question. Cause it has so many branches. Let's get to it.

As many have answered, no, the Bible does not mention head coverings for men. But again, let's do some history and culture.

Ancient Jews and current jews had tradition that cut across fashion, authority, and religion. For important positions ot even just going for important occasions, part of the fashion was head covering. So, men would either wear a turban or put a long scarf on their head. There was also the religious necessity where men who read in the synagogue were required to cover their heads. The attire made for Aaron, if you read Leviticus, also included a turban. The Pharisees and Sadducees all wore turbans or head scafs. In those days, women also wore the same thing, mostly out of fashion.

Now fast-forward to the time of Jesus. Okay, when Christianity was gaining traction, the early apostles were doing their best to create tradition and culture, but obviously, that was hard because they were from a very cultural country. So we have Paul giving a very cultural opinion on head coverings in 1st Corinthians, which pretty much stuck for a while.

Now the juicy part. Christianity as it is, is a living thing, and it grew up. Over the years, from the Middle Ages a lot of changes were made. Also in its bid to penetrate so many regions and be appealing to the people, Christianity took on many things that were culturally fine for those people. So if you look at some church documents, and by church I mean the early christian catholics, they reported including certain changes to dressing especially for authority figures.

So if I remember correctly it was around the middle ages when bishops and popes began wearing skul caps those small little caps at the center and then the bigger ceremonial looking caps. Anyway, it was more for distincition for them, but in many areas like in the middle east, especially when the curuch had a strong hold in constantinople present day turkey a lot of priests and high ranking religious people wore head gears to fit the reegion, culture, and in some cases climate.

Fast foward even further and much of this regional traditions became popular and even just regular and common place and then because the catholic church is big on uniformity they made head gear uniform for certain positions. Anyway but if you notice, the head greas are worn up until a point, and removed usually at the hight of mass, or for catholic during consencration allowing them to align to some point to the teachings of paul. and then they are reworn afterwards.

Why I like questions like this. Well because it reminds you that not everything is in thhe Bible and christianity has grown. Christianity is not just Biblical, it also relies on tradition and history among other things. For instance, there is no christmas in the Bible, but the ancient christians who were trying to gain foot in the roman region had to battle with converts celebrating the sun god. for these people it wasnt even about worship the sun, it was more like a cultural celebration. The christians then knew it would be difficult to break them away from something so deeply cultural, so what did they do, they modififed the celebration. You want to celebrate and worship the sun god, fine, we bring you the Son of God, celebrate his birthday instead. And boom, they won and conquered.

The Bible is the structural framework of christiandom and everything must align with it, but the christianity we have today was gotten this far because it has muscles and organs and senses along side a skeletal structure. Mind you that for the first 300 years after Christ, there was no Bible, the ealry Christians, depended on revelations, word of mouth teachings, writings, letters, theological conversations, and more to understand and know God's will.

So no, because it's not in the Bible doesn't mean it is a false christain teaching, remember the Bible tells us, what we collectively bind on earth, is bound in heaven, and what we collectively lose, is losed in heaven. Because the whole body of christians at some point collectively accepted that men should not cover their head in a church it became so. And until we can all collectively say otherwise, what has been approved has been approved.

Arrowhead71:
If to remove cap show respect for God , the same should go for women too, women should show respect for God by removing their head tie
But the bottom line is God look to the heart and not to your outward religious pious looks
But this is not an excuse for any born again Christian to go about looking like area boys

Oga just imagine you are on full native attire with the hat and suddenly you are in the presence of God fear no go allow you remove everything you are putting on.

Na question i ask o

highoctane:
You ought to love Davido as a person, but dislike his lifestyle.
But for a fact God loves him, and would love him to change,don't beef about it.

Davido is my favorite singer so don't mix things up here, we are not talking about his lifestyle what we are discussing now is putting on a covering on the head in the presence of a King. All he needs to do is remove it that's all.

MaxInDHouse:
Davido is my favorite singer so don't mix things up here, we are not talking about his lifestyle what we are discussing now is putting on a covering on the head in the presence of a King. All he needs to do is remove it that's all.

🤨As holy as you are, you are still listening to secular music🤦🏾‍♂️. I expected your favorite singers to be the choristers of Heaven, now I am just utterly disgusted😁.

What shall we say about this? 🤨 Didn't you read the scriptures🤔? You are so brazen to condemn politics yet you frolick in the entertainment industry 😅. May God help your hypocrisy!

Gabrielshow24:
🤨As holy as you are, you are still listening to secular music🤦🏾‍♂️. I expected your favorite singers to be the choristers of Heaven, now I am just utterly disgusted😁.
What shall we say about this? 🤨 Didn't you read the scriptures🤔? You are so brazen to condemn politics yet you frolick in the entertainment industry 😅. May God help your hypocrisy!

Not only heavenly choristers so all the fans of Davido are unholy shey?

I just don't understand why you can't see that you're a Pharisees?

So you think i'm holy yet you so much hate me to the point of cursing me shey?

Who is now the hypocrite?
Have i ever condemn any musician before?
Are musicians the ones making life hard for people or politicians? Ecclesiastes 4:1

You are just spiritually blind yet you don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
Not only heavenly choristers so all the fans of Davido are unholy shey?

I just don't understand why you can't see that you're a Pharisees?

So you think i'm holy yet you so much hate me to the point of cursing me shey?

Who is now the hypocrite?
Have i ever condemn any musician before?
Are musicians the ones making life hard for people or politicians?

You are just spiritually blind yet you don't know!

Nice diversion but yet you are missing the point!
I didn't claim supporters of Davido can't be construed as holy, I am only pointing out your hypocrisy! You don't find anything wrong in being 'part and parcel'👀 of the entertainment industry but yet you condemn politicians. You act as if both politicians and musicians don't have physical influence 😅.

Also you condemn yourself, given your rhetoric of always following the scriptures. Is that the song the bible said you should be singing🥲?—Ephesians 5:19

I don't claim to be holier than all but you whose charade is known over nairaland, this act becomes a debilitating factor on your professed and self-accrued facade. 😅

Gabrielshow24:
You act as if both politicians and musicians don't have physical influence.

Can Nigerians avoid having anything to do with Davido?
Can any Nigerian avoid having anything to do with those ruling over Nigeria?

Ọmọ Davido is doing his own business as he is gifted to entertain people with music so if you feel his music is not your type you can totally avoid his songs but when it comes to politicians they enforce their policies on you whether you like it or not.

That's the difference if you don't know!

Gabrielshow24:
I don't claim to be holier than all but you whose charade is known over nairaland, this act becomes a debilitating factor on your professed and self-accrued facade.

Another evidence that you're spiritually deaf!

Did i claim to be holier than you?

What i'm saying is there is a Christian group that's performing excellently like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ and i've found them so if you want to prove me wrong all you need to do is present a better performing group than the one i found.

It's like when Andrew found Jesus as John told him and discovered that Jesus is the Christ then he ran to his brother Simon and told him "we have found the Christ" {John 1:41} to prove Andrew wrong all what Simon needs to do is present another Jew better fits in to that description than Jesus.

So how does that translate to been holier than Simon?

MaxInDHouse:
Another evidence that you're spiritually deaf!

Did i claim to be holier than you?

What i'm saying is there is a Christian group that's performing excellently like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ and i've found them so if you want to prove me wrong all you need to do is present a better performing group than the one i found.

It's like when Andrew found Jesus as John told him and discovered that Jesus is the Christ then he ran to his brother Simon and told him "we have found the Christ" {John 1:41} to prove Andrew wrong all what Simon needs to do is present another Jew better fits in to that description than Jesus.

So how does that translate to been holier than Simon?

This is a faulty analogy, I'm impressed you made this from your head 😂 but it still doesn't answer the matter at hand!

Your entire modus operandi centres on two things, discredit others and establish your own! It doesn't matter whether your own passes the law of non-contradiction 😂!

Based on what you wrote, I can posit that a lot of people are more influenced by musicians more than politicians! You have in no wise negated the scripture and the slippery slope of 'failing woefully' to establish scripture at all point—given your unprecedented rhetoric across this platform to do such!

Gabrielshow24:
Your entire modus operandi centres on two things, discredit others and establish your own!

You are shifting the goal post again!

You said i was claiming holier than thou that's why i explained what really happened.

I wasn't born a Christian it's my love for God that made me began a thorough research on which religion is doing God's will. I found out that Islam my former religion is hiding some things but since i can't figure it out on my own i decided to read the Bible for myself and what i found really triggered my curiosity the more but all the religions claiming Christians doesn't fit in to what i'm reading about Jesus and his disciples, if i want to become knowledgeable in the scriptures i must go to theology school where i have to pay but Jesus said this knowledge is free.
So when i found Jehovah's Witnesses willing to teach me freely what the Bible really teach i started studying the Bible with them asking tough questions until i am convinced they are the only true Christian organization.

Please how does that translate to being holier than thou?

MaxInDHouse:
You are shifting the goal post again!

You said i was claiming holier than thou that's why i explained what really happened.

I wasn't born a Christian it's my love for God that made me began a thorough research on which religion is doing God's will. I found out that Islam my former religion is hiding some things but since i can't figure it out on my own i decided to read the Bible for myself and what i found really triggered my curiosity the more but all the religions claiming Christians doesn't fit in to what i'm reading about Jesus and his disciples, if i want to become knowledgeable in the scriptures i must go to theology school where i have to pay but Jesus said this knowledge is free.
So when i found Jehovah's Witnesses willing to teach me freely what the Bible really teach i started studying the Bible with them asking tough questions until i am convinced they are the only true Christian organization.

Please how does that translate to being holier than thou?

This mockup greatly simplifies your narratives. By its own, it's just an explanation of your life's ordeal, it doesn't address the subject matter at all.

Instances of claiming "holier than thou" can be construed from a lot of your statements! You make statements that are self-praises in disguise! This you can't deny. You do it on a regular basis on behalf of your organization 🤨!

Gabrielshow24:
Instances of claiming "holier than thou" can be construed from a lot of your statements! You make statements that are self-praises in disguise! This you can't deny. You do it on a regular basis on behalf of your organization 🤨!

So when someone in the first century say
"i found Jesus of Nazareth the Christ" and started following Jesus it means such a person is praising his group?
Just say you hate the truth that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
So when someone in the first century say
"i found Jesus of Nazareth the Christ" and started following Jesus it means such a person is praising his group?
Just say you hate the truth that's all!

This is a straw man! Once again you are using one of your favorite fallacies—motte and bailey fallacy. You know exactly what I am saying, it goes to show, you couldn't discredit the Ephesians verse🤨 because your usual retort is following the bible to the letter and claiming that any one not found in your satanic organization is not of God.

When your organization is actually passed through the litmus test, it fails woefully! It's a stupid claim made by stupid people trying to stroke their low self-esteem!

Gabrielshow24:
When your organization is actually passed through the litmus test, it fails woefully!

Oya mention the organization or group that PASSED your test!

MaxInDHouse:
Oya mention the organization or group that PASSED your test!

The bible is the litmus test! That's why we compare doctrines to see if indeed they are biblically based!

So far, yours failed!

Gabrielshow24:
The bible is the litmus test! That's why we compare doctrines to see if indeed they are biblically based!
So far, yours failed!

Are you saying Jesus has no group of people practicing what he taught in our time?
It's obvious you can't mention any group which means you don't even believe in Jesus at all because if you do Haba! you should be able to present at least one group which should be the one you associate with as members of Jesus' earthly family!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying Jesus has no group of people practicing what he taught in our time?
It's obvious you can't mention any group which means you don't even believe in Jesus at all because if you do Haba! you should be able to present at least one group which should be the one you associate with as members of Jesus' earthly family!

of course Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep know him!
From the bible we can clearly see all those that can be construed as "practicing what Jesus preached"🤔 and those that are not. Presently, based on your doctrines, you do not match up at all.

MaxInDHouse:
You've asked and i've answered Davido doesn't regard our King that's the truth!

Person wey no exist at all....

Don't burst any blood vessel oh..

LoneSoldier:
Don't edit the foolish path, you are a Foolish Jehovah witness man....

bro calm down why the insult 😒 ?

Kingsempires:
bro calm down why the insult 😒 ?

Are you also a member....?

*Spits on JW people and walks away*

Gabrielshow24:
of course Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep know him!
From the bible we can clearly see all those that can be construed as "practicing what Jesus preached"🤔 and those that are not. Presently, based on your doctrines, you do not match up at all.

Were those practicing what Jesus taught organized in Bible times?
YES! Act 2:42
Did people know them by a group name?
YES! Act 11:26
So what is the group name of those practicing what Jesus taught in our time?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
If you object oya mention another!

Kingsempires:
bro calm down why the insult 😒 ?

He's an unbeliever so it's not only against Jehovah's Witnesses that he is speaking but only Jehovah's Witnesses annoys him most because when he wants to tanish the image of Christ only Jehovah's Witnesses makes a strong defense that he can't refute!
He said God doesn't exist at all:
https://www.nairaland.com/8390621/god-allah-myths#134868446

MaxInDHouse:
Were those practicing what Jesus taught organized in Bible times?
YES! Act 2:42
Did people know them by a group name?
YES! Act 11:26
So what is the group name of those practicing what Jesus taught in our time?
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
If you object oya mention another!

Don't be foolish, they were called Christians!

Gabrielshow24:
Don't be foolish, they were called Christians!

As a group in the first century but today the true God now call His worshipers by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

MaxInDHouse:
As a group in the first century but today the true God now call His worshipers by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

😅 what a perfectly tailored fib! You and I both see through it, and let’s be honest—everyone else does too! This brings to mind that classic phrase: you know that I know that you know that we both know your last statement was a delightful little untruth!

Gabrielshow24:
😅 what a perfectly tailored fib! You and I both see through it, and let’s be honest—everyone else does too! This brings to mind that classic phrase: you know that I know that you know that we both know your last statement was a delightful little untruth!

This man below can't explain why only JWs fit in to all these ọmọ it's because Jesus has called his people out of false religions claiming Christians {Revelations 18:4} and he keeps training them in this end time {Matthew 24:45} that's why his father began calling them by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That's why you can never ever find a better replacement for Jehovah's Witnesses!

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

MaxInDHouse:
This man below can't explain why only JWs fit in to all these ọmọ it's because Jesus has called his people out of false religions claiming Christians {Revelations 18:4} and he keeps training them in this end time {Matthew 24:45} that's why his father began calling them by another group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

That's why you can never ever find a better replacement for Jehovah's Witnesses!

Keep telling yourself that! 😅 Hopefully, it helps you sleep a little better!

Gabrielshow24:
Keep telling yourself that! 😅 Hopefully, it helps you sleep a little better!

That's why you keep following from thread to thread crying all over the forum because deep down in your heart you know you're deceiving yourself.

The last time you said to me
"as HOLY as you are"

Have i ever told you i'm holy?

You reminds me of Pharisees calling Jesus "teacher" when they just want to criticize him!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you keep following from thread to thread crying all over the forum because deep down in your heart you know you're deceiving yourself.

The last time you said to me
"as HOLY as you are"

Have i ever told you i'm holy?

You reminds me of Pharisees calling Jesus "teacher" when they just want to criticize him!

😂😂😂Coming from you, it's really laughable!
Anyways, whatsoever helps you sleep at night!

Everyone can see who is the real pharisee😅!

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂Coming from you, it's really laughable!
Anyways, whatsoever helps you sleep at night!
Everyone can see who is the real pharisee😅!

YES o!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why you keep following from thread to thread crying all over the forum because deep down in your heart you know you're deceiving yourself.

The last time you said to me
"as HOLY as you are"

Have i ever told you i'm holy?

You reminds me of Pharisees calling Jesus "teacher" when they just want to criticize him!

Also, You’re the one shedding tears all over the forum! Do you have any idea how many threads you've been logically mopped off the floor? 😅 So quick to tout your indoctrination, yet just as quick to flee from any defense! 😂