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Ellexy:
But mentality and fitness of the team falls on the coach squarely isn't it?

No. Team cohesion does. Human beings have certain immutable differences. There is nothing the coach can do that will turn Eriksen or Casemiro to peak Yaya Toure.

Our players were physically weaker and, in most instances, slower than the Newcastle players. We have bought badly over the years. We don't have a single midfield player who is a physical specimen, apart from maybe Collyer. Nearly every time Tonali or Joelinton ran with the ball we had nobody in the midfield that could match them for power and pace.

These are obvious issues that we can see and have nothing to do with the coaching. Outside Yoro, Dalot, Dorgu, De Ligt, Collyer all our players are usually physically inferior in their 1v1 matchups.

Amorim has not really impressed me in terms of his coaching so far but like i always say, let us blame him for what he is responsible for. The lineup was wrong. The positional play and passing were both poor, meaning we could not really see any consistent patterns of play. Those are mainly on the head coach and the coaching staff. We also almost always panic when defending set pieces and look clueless when we have our own set pieces.

Meanwhile, we will revisit this Ugarte brother one of these days.
Passion merchant midfielders who are incompetent on the ball and treat the ball like a grenade will not cut it at this level.

I don't want to say i told you so, but..........

We bought RB Wan Bissaka for 50m and he came here to flop. We then sold him for peanuts, only to buy CM Wan Bissaka for 50m.

That's tough.

Oasis007:


.....I know dey do silly fanship bruh. If Amorim fails next season, gonna definitely join the Out-Gang, but its too early for wailing.

He had no preseason with them. He joined almost mid-season. He has 80% useless players with him right now.

Habaa! Ain't gonna put his head on the spike yet. 99% blame ain't on him but fuckin board - both Glazers and INEOS!

The question is will you admit that Nitrogen and Jamiu were right about Amorim not been a good coach or will you just sneak into the crowd and start saying you saw signs?

That's what a lot of people do here. See them removing their hands from Onana matter. Hehehe

Oasis007:


......no matter how much you water weathered flowers, they ain't gonna revive. It's better to get fresh ones to replace them instead of hoping for a miracle to happen. LOL!

Yeah. This is right. Most of hese guys are disvirgined in failure and low mentality. They can't be revirgined.

odizeey:
The question is will you admit that Nitrogen and Jamiu were right about Amorim not been a good coach or will you just sneak into the crowd and start saying you saw signs?

That's what a lot of people do here. See them removing their hands from Onana matter. Hehehe

Lol

The manager can still redeem himself next season (if he survives) but so far, he has underperformed and is underperforming!

If man utd na modern high performance, corporate organisation, Amorim for don collect sit up memo teytey - the strong type wey all relevant stakeholders go dey in Cc!

I would actually prefer he turns the corner ASAP instead of having to fire him for a new coach that would come and probably start from the scratch.

Jamiuokolaa:
Lol

The manager can still redeem himself next season (if he survives) but so far, he has underperformed and is underperforming!

If man utd na modern high performance, corporate organisation, Amorim for don collect sit up memo teytey - the strong type wey all relevant stakeholders go dey in Cc!

I would actually prefer he turns the corner ASAP instead of having to fire him for a new coach that would come and probably start from the scratch.

The future is not looking good for the club as it stands.
Only them knows what they are planning. It is well.

odizeey:
The future is not looking good for the club as it stands.
Only them knows what they are planning. It is well.

I think say na only me o

Dunno why I have this feeling that..anything wey make Ratcliffe to abandon this project, the club may find it very difficult to recover.

No amount of spin can masquerade Ruben Amorim's dreadful and poor record in his time at Manchester United. He is just NOT good enough and the FACT is that the team has progressively gotten worse with each game. It is easy to critique the players for being weak,old and lacking passion but what is the job of the manager? He is meant to "manage" the players no matter their frailty. You manage what you have got to get results for your team.
You don't bring your hands and wail that the players cannot play your system. That reeks of incompetence and lack of capacity to be a manager.

It's like the fable of the kings new robes! While those with guile can see the king is stark naked others choose to pretend and declare the king that he is clad in the most exotic robes.


Facts don't lie.


Ruben Amorim's record in the Premier league.

Playrd-21 games
Won-6 games.
Draw-5 games.
Lose-10 games.
Goal difference- negative-7


The king is stark nake_d no matter how you spin it out and rest assured if this manager survives to next season and even loads the team with players that can play his SYSTEM Manchester United will still end up in the bottom half of the league table because the manager is not just good enough. He is in over his head.

Lmao

Amorim the náked king

Goosethetruth, it is well

Jamiuokolaa:


Lmao

Amorim the náked king

Goosethetruth, it is well

My brother I wonder why people cannot see these things or pretend not to see or probably hope that things will get better when he gets the magical players that can play his magical system.
No problem....we are all here.

Goosethetruth:
My brother I wonder why people cannot see these things or pretend not to see or probably hope that things will get better when he gets the magical players that can play his magical system.
No problem....we are all here.

As in ehn

The way they have depicted 3-4-3 as a formation that can only be implemented with players from Jupiter eh

Below is a part of the team Conte finished 4th with at Spurs...

The same Reguilón wey we Chase comot - If to say he still dey here, the story would be that he doesnt have the heart, lungs, Liver and Chest to play as a WB and would probably be one of the scapegoats for our current 14th position

Jamiuokolaa:
As in ehn

The way they have depicted 3-4-3 as a formation that can only be implemented with players from Jupiter eh

The manager has on his own decided to complicate issues by creating this myth of magical players to execute a magical system.
You can't shoe horn yourself into a rigid formula and then blame the players in the team when they can't execute your magical system.

I worry for United on Thursday.
Lyon must be relishing this Europa game seeing that we lost at away yesterday and the won at away in their league yesterday.

afrodoc2:
Meanwhile, we will revisit this Ugarte brother one of these days.
Passion merchant midfielders who are incompetent on the ball and treat the ball like a grenade will not cut it at this level.

I don't want to say i told you so, but..........

We bought RB Wan Bissaka for 50m and he came here to flop. We then sold him for peanuts, only to buy CM Wan Bissaka for 50m.

That's tough.

This one is purely on INEOS cos even ETH with all his shortcomings didn't want the guy and was benching him. His presence in the team hasn't elevated our midfield in terms of technique, movement and cohesion. I dare say Fred is even better than him.

Jamiuokolaa:
As in ehn

The way they have depicted 3-4-3 as a formation that can only be implemented with players from Jupiter eh

Below is a part of the team Conte finished 4th with at Spurs

The same Reguilón wey we Chase comot - If to say he still dey here, the story would be that he doesnt have the heart, lungs, Liver and Chest to play as a WB

A coach used Porto to win the UCL but Porto clearly didn't have the best squad. After winning the UCL, did they continue on the path of domination?

Back to Spurs, did Conte not leave because of a lack of investment? The players in that screenshot, where are they today? It's clear that the players either punched above their weight, or the opposition wasn't on top of their game, or the coaching was just that good (as you want us to believe, even though the same coach was all over the media calling for more investment in the squad).

Historically, we have seen a squad of average to good players punch above their weight but it is never sustainable. Whilst you might want better there's nothing to show that this crop of players can do any better.

patrickmuf:
A coach used Porto to win the UCL but Porto clearly didn't have the best squad. After winning the UCL, did they continue on the path of domination?

Back to Spurs, did Conte not leave because of a lack of investment? The players in that screenshot, where are they today? It's clear that the players either punched above their weight, or the opposition wasn't on top of their game, or the coaching was just that good (as you want us to believe, even though the same coach was all over the media calling for more investment in the squad).

Historically, we have seen a squad of average to good players punch above their weight but it is never sustainable. Whilst you might want better there's nothing to show that this crop of players can do any better.

I agree with you but the point here is that Conte worked with what he met on ground and utilised them to good effect before asking for upgrades. Thats the kinda continuous improvement approach that is expected, not the "get worse before getting better" narrative we always read.

He didn't fold his arms behind his back, waiting for players from Another planet to do the job.

PS - we are not even asking him to finish in 4th position this season o

Jamiuokolaa:
I think say na only me o

Dunno why I have this feeling that..anything wey make Ratcliffe to abandon this project, the club may find it very difficult to recover.

Make we no just turn to Leeds united. Na only money and big name dey hold us now. And be like say money don dey dry.

Jamiuokolaa:
As in ehn

The way they have depicted 3-4-3 as a formation that can only be implemented with players from Jupiter eh

Below is a part of the team Conte finished 4th with at Spurs

The same Reguilón wey we Chase comot - If to say he still dey here, the story would be that he doesnt have the heart, lungs, Liver and Chest to play as a WB and would probably be one of the scapegoats for our current 14th position

When you begin to hear lamba about a magical system that requires only magical players to play before the system works just know say na MMM.

Atleast show something first with what you have before getting the magical players. Other top coaches like Tuchel, Klopp, Pep, Conte, Arteta etc didn't move like this oo.

Ellexy:
This one is purely on INEOS cos even ETH with all his shortcomings didn't want the guy and was benching him. His presence in the team has elevated our midfield in terms of technique, movement and cohesion. I dare say Fred is even better than him.

I can't really argue that he is better than Fred now although they are very different players. He is more like Herrera, but with even less ability on the ball.

What it is looking like is that the club is finished patapataly. A squad built over the years filled majorly with players that are not good enough.

Little or no more money left to repair the damage in the squad.

Then when the little money when spent is not always spent in the right way. INEOS so far have been a bit better than the previous regime cos at least it is looking like Yoro, Maz, de Ligt are players that can contribute in a winning team. Maz and de Ligt in particular have played well considering their fee. Yoro was overpriced but might turn out to be an all timer, so it is still understandable.

If INEOS are not able to hit extremely high scores in terms of recruitment of coaches and players, these lean years will not end anytime soon.

afrodoc2:
I can't really argue that he is better than Fred now although they are very different players. He is more like Herrera, but with even less ability on the ball.

What it is looking like is that the club is finished patapataly. A squad built over the years filled majorly with players that are not good enough.

Little or no more money left to repair the damage in the squad.

Then when the little money when spent is not always spent in the right way. INEOS so far have been a bit better than the previous regime cos at least it is looking like Yoro, Maz, de Ligt are players that can contribute in a winning team. Maz and de Ligt in particular have played well considering their fee. Yoro was overpriced but might turn out to be an all timer, so it is still understandable.

If INEOS are not able to hit extremely high scores in terms of recruitment of coaches and players, these lean years will not end anytime soon.

We just somehow need to get lucky with one world class coach to take us out from the trenches like the way Klopp did for Liverpool else we go tey for here. We are not even a midtable team anymore and I'm hoping we don't fight for relegation next season.

Amorim problem is when we had lots of injuries he didn't look at the academy. Use those young fresh boys. A good coach would have discovered one or two good players from the academy that he would integrated into the main team.

Look at what flick is doing at Barca. He has integrated lots of 17 to 18 years old player into the main team. Look at what they are doing for them

delkuf:
Amorim problem is when we had lots of injuries he didn't look at the academy. Use those young fresh boys. A good coach would have discovered one or two good players from the academy that he would integrated into the main team.

Look at what flick is doing at Barca. He has integrated lots of 17 to 18 years old player into the main team. Look at what they are doing for them

True he could have done better but Barca's academy is another level, and we don't have a Cubarsi or Yamal level of talent in the academy. La Liga is also less physical which allows a youngster to assimilate a bit more easily.

His problems are poor line up, poor substitution, and difficulty transferring what was done on the training pitch to match day.

afrodoc2:
True he could have done better but Barca's academy is another level, and we don't have a Cubarsi or Yamal level of talent in the academy. La Liga is also less physical which allows a youngster to assimilate a bit more easily.

we may not have cubarsi or yamal level but we good players. If you play a chido obi you will not be getting the rubbish hoijund is giving us every week. Man u have nothing to achieve this season so give this young players a chance.

delkuf:
we may not have cubarsi or yamal level but we good players. If you play a chido obi you will not be getting the rubbish hoijund is giving us every week. Man u have nothing to achieve this season so give this young players a chance.

It is not that straight forward. I watch every televised academy and Under-21 match. Chido Obi still has a lot to learn, and it will take only 2-3 silly mistakes from him before our toxic and illogical fans turn on him and start harassing him online and destroy his confidence.

Tossing youth players who might not be emotionally or physically ready to the senior team because the senior players are messing up is unfair to the academy player. The young players should be given a chance if the coaches and the club think they are ready not because one unfortunate senior player is crap.

It is my firm belief that overplaying Garnacho when he was not ready just because Rashy, Sancho, Martial were messing up stunted his growth and led to what is happening now.

afrodoc2:
It is not that straight forward. I watch every televised academy and Under-21 match. Chido Obi still has a lot to learn, and it will take only 2-3 silly mistakes from him before our toxic and illogical fans turn on him and start harassing him online and destroy his confidence.

Tossing youth players who might not be emotionally or physically ready to the senior team because the senior players are messing up is unfair to the academy player. The young players should be given a chance if the coaches and the club think they are ready not because one unfortunate senior player is crap.

It is my firm belief that overplaying Garnacho when he was not ready just because Rashy, Sancho, Martial were messing up stunted his growth and led to what is happening now.

why does it work with other clubs but doesn't work with man u. Why is yamal at 17 playing almost all matches but a chido obi or any other academy player can't play for man u. Mistake is part of football.

We are short of players presently but we are afraid to use the academy players that we have.

Goosethetruth:
The manager has on his own decided to complicate issues by creating this myth of magical players to execute a magical system.
You can't shoe horn yourself into a rigid formula and then blame the players in the team when they can't execute your magical system.

I worry for United on Thursday.
Lyon must be relishing this Europa game seeing that we lost at away yesterday and the won at away in their league yesterday.

I believe we’ll beat Lyon on Thursday. But we won’t win Europa and that will be really really bad for us. We need to play in Europe next season otherwise Amorim won’t get his magical players which might result in a relegation. Although this team can make at least top 10 with a better manager. Fingers crossed sha!

Like someone said, we need a manager that will dig us out of the trenches.

delkuf:
why does it work with other clubs but doesn't work with man u. Why is yamal at 17 playing almost all matches but a chido obi or any other academy player can't play for man u. Mistake is part of football.

We are short of players presently but we are afraid to use the academy players that we have.

You think Obi is Yamal level? No use Yamal assess any other academy player o.

I am not saying we should not use them, but it should not just be because senior players are messing up. The academy players have to be ready as well.

Obi can get minutes here and there. Maybe Moorhouse can get minutes here and there. I really don’t think any other player is ready. Maybe at a stretch Kamason.

afrodoc:
You think Obi is Yamal level? No use Yamal assess any other academy player o.

I am not saying we should not use them, but it should not just be because senior players are messing up. The academy players have to be ready as well.

Obi can get minutes here and there. Maybe Moorhouse can get minutes here and there. I really don’t think any other player is ready. Maybe at a stretch Kamason.

am making a case for obi, am just saying generally. If we don't give these boys the chance how do we know if they are good enough. All am saying is that we have nothing to lose using these boys.

Here's an interesting stat, since United won at the Etihad on 15th December 2024, they have beaten only one PL team[Fulham] from outside the relegation zone in 16 attempts. Only other wins vs PL opposition in that time were versus Ipswich, Soton and Leicester (x2).

6 wins out of 20, 4 of them against the 3 worst teams in the league.

Dorgu is a model player for the magical system of Amorim. If we sign 4, let's say 5 more Dorgu's in different positions, will it take us out from the trenches?

Ellexy:
Here's an interesting stat, since United won at the Etihad on 15th December 2024, they have beaten only one PL team[Fulham] from outside the relegation zone in 16 attempts. Only other wins vs PL opposition in that time were versus Ipswich, Soton and Leicester (x2).

6 wins out of 20, 4 of them against the 3 worst teams in the league.

You aggressively turned against this particular manager unusually quickly sha.

delkuf:
am making a case for obi, am just saying generally. If we don't give these boys the chance how do we know if they are good enough. All am saying is that we have nothing to lose using these boys.

The academy boys train daily with the senior players. Most likely they assess them with their performances during training to know if they are ready against men. They have access to more information than us.

I am as pro-academy as they come but one thing that scares me is tossing academy players into highly dysfunctional set-ups. If the team is struggling a bit or if there is a position of need in the senior team that is still okay BUT when there is utter dysfunction i don't like tossing academy players into it.

nitrogen:
I believe we’ll beat Lyon on Thursday. But we won’t win Europa and that will be really really bad for us. We need to play in Europe next season otherwise Amorim won’t get his magical players which might result in a relegation. Although this team can make at least top 10 with a better manager. Fingers crossed sha!

Like someone said, we need a manager that will dig us out of the trenches.

If we managed to win in France, I for get more confidence but baba, that return leg is looking wide open.

E dey be like those games wey we go need Bruno or maybe ref to bail us out

Or it's looking like a tie where we would curse Onana for bundling us out (from the 1st leg)