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Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Lucifyre: 1:18am On Apr 19, 2025
achorladey:
MaxInDHouse is the madness and insanities peddling brains for a reason after all cheesy grin grin grin

How well will one describe hypocrite, a person that cannot call his own son a thief when caught red handed but readily accuse and prosecute other children equally caught carrying out the same act as thieves.
Big hypocrite. See how he immediately changed the topic when faced with facts he couldn't use his dumb brain to counter.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op):
Chai, Maximus you no good o!

See these two poor guys couldn't sleep at midnight all because of the bitter truth i rubbed in their faces. undecided
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:24am On Apr 19, 2025
Lucifyre:
What is this deluded pedophile saying. E change topic once. 😄 Abeg try proofread your nonsense before posting. I know you've been outed as a pedo, so you're shaking, but still, proofread your dross abeg, last i checked you can supposedly read n write at an 8yr olds level.
You need a life so go get it and stop being a sadist in Jesus name: Amen! smiley
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:30am On Apr 19, 2025
Getting personal after being shown your errors doesn't make you wise but stupid see comments about Max on this same forum:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.
Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically
Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment
SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.
Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.
Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.
CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.

But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check
CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point
Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!
naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.
Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much
shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯
Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.
Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down
You guys should know that such a person has been taught to be fully competent and completely equipped for meaningful interactions! 2Timothy 3:16-17wink
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Lucifyre: 8:44am On Apr 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You need a life so go get it and stop being a sadist in Jesus name: Amen! smiley
If "to get a life" is the life you have at this ur age i don't want it. 😌 Looking foolish at an advanced age instead of commanding respect is not a life even though it might seem so for a pedophile. Get sense in jesus name. Amen 😁
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by achorladey: 9:54am On Apr 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Getting personal after being shown your errors doesn't make you wise but stupid see comments about Max on this same forum:






























You guys should know that such a person has been taught to be fully competent and completely equipped for meaningful interactions! 2Timothy 3:16-17wink
The madness and insanities peddling brains don wake up cheesy cheesy grin grin

Getting personal after being shown your errors doesn't make you wise but stupid
Projecting your madness and insanities peddling brains on others is the reason you referenced commentators to come to your aid personally as to why your stupid peddlings should be covered up.

You guys should know that such a person has been taught to be fully competent and completely equipped for meaningful interactions! 2Timothy 3:16-17
Below is the result of your competency test captured in the screenshot grin cheesy cheesy cheesy

Dear Genuine Jehovah Witnesses on this Forum, MaxinDhouse Really Needs your Help.

He is Seriously having lots of Psychological Issues,Very Confused,Arrogant,Talks, Comments against the Doctrines of Jehovah Witnesses.
He is Becoming a Total Disgrace to the Teachings of JW.
MaxInDHouse being an elder in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. That congregation you dey serve dey really try grin cheesy cheesy

Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by achorladey: 9:55am On Apr 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Chai, Maximus you no good o!

See these two poor guys couldn't sleep at midnight all because of the bitter truth i rubbed in their faces. undecided
A pill you need to swallow to reactivate your madness and insanities peddling brains this day.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 5:11pm On Apr 19, 2025
Lucifyre:
Looking foolish at an advanced age instead of commanding respect is not a life
Whom God has blessed no man can curse! wink
Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.
Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment
SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.
Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.
Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.
Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Lucifyre: 8:03pm On Apr 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Whom God has blessed no man can curse! wink
Typical man child. So much growing up to do, so little time.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by johnw47: 11:54pm On Apr 19, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Getting personal after being shown your errors doesn't make you wise but stupid see comments about Max on this same forum
lost false jw mad max, vain people love the praises of men

vain: having or showing an excessively high opinion of one's appearance, abilities, or worth.

MaxInDHouse: You guys should know that such a person has been taught to be fully competent and completely equipped for meaningful interactions! 2Timothy 3:16-17wink
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


proud/puffed up, lost false jw mad max

Pro 16:5  Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD;

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the proud and evil people will be as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze leaving neither root nor branch.


and 2Timothy 3:16-17 is not about vain persons thinking they are great teachers and loving the praises of men,
the puffed up vain man is of course not a man of God, that is end time delusion

2Ti 3:16  All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 
2Ti 3:17  so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 5:07am On Apr 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This is what makes Jehovah's Witnesses organization the only true religion.

It's either you adhere to the teachings of those taking the lead {Hebrews 13:7} or take your leave to prove that you're not ready to be a part of such a system! 1John 2:19

That's what orderliness means! smiley
True orderliness is seeing Christ as the head of the congregation (1cor 11:1-3). Such that if those taking lead goes against Christ, you go against them.

True worshipers obey God as ruler rather than men (Acts 5:29).

That's where the problem is, Christ told you to obey his shepherds, did he mean that you obey his shepherds when they tell you to do what Christ himself doesn't approve? It is even worse when there is no evidence that Christ appointed them.

True worshipers are Christ focused not GB focused.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 5:09am On Apr 20, 2025
achorladey:
I am not using strong words against him. Someone read most of my comments and words I used while conversing with MaxInDHouse and said I am not abusing him at all or using strong words on him. He added, it was just a proper description of MaxInDHouse on Nairaland.


I told you that the main purpose of this thread was for Max to tarnish your image, rubbish you so that anybody reading your threads exposing their beliefs and how it does not align with scriptures won't bother reading. He will have easily say Sand2022 is an APOSTATE but because you said you are PIMO he knows you have gotten to that extent here. So what can he do? Call you insane, mad and added you can never be his brother



This is the more reason I just looooool about Jehovah's Witnesses and the mentality they pack into their brains. A former member of the religious organization stated they like to play God and they have shown over the years to be terrible about it.



I readily want to see the shock in MaxInDHouse face when that happens because one of those he refer to as faithless miscreants in his madness and insanities peddling brains gets to be in that Kingdom grin cheesy grin grin



The reason we do what we do here. We are trying as much as possible to make people see that that religious spirit of comparing a Christian religious denomination with another and seeing one as superior to the other is smallness of the mind about what Jesus taught and even his disciples that followed him after his death.
Ok
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 5:31am On Apr 20, 2025
achorladey:
Gbam, amongst all the publications the GB cherish most is the Watchtower study edition. It is there the indoctrination of all members take place. That's why the Watchtower conductor are hardly changed or rotated. They must be proper organization centric man. Who is ready to hold all doctrines unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. Any dissenting comments are shut down and those persons if they continue will never be called to contribute during the study.

Like someone said, on Sundays they are not studying the Bible but Watchtower grin cheesy cheesy cheesy
Yes, Sundays are mainly watchtower study. Many talks are sleep inducing. Watchtower is the part people enjoy the most. Super indcotrination tactics.

The watchtower conductor is selected from among the best teachers among the elders. I happen to handle that office when I was serving. The watchtower is carefully written and screens out what could raise doubt in the subject under discussion. At times, I do see ways in which one can squash the argument presented therein, but of course the questions are worded to be pro-GB teachings.

You see what I have discovered is, you dknt get to get see the error in your religious group by studying the proofs they presented in there publications, even if those publications are filled with biblical proofs. They will deceive you right within your eyes.

The best is, get what they say is rhere interpretations. Write it somewhere. On your own consider that topic as a study project. Gather ALL the scriptures relevant to that subject by using a concordance. Then ask each of those scriptures gathered the question under discussion, then you will start to see that the whole argument presented in the publication are full of inconsistencies with many other scriptures. Research one subject at a time, don't bring many subject together.

This was rhe method I used, and saw that many things I was thought was just the GB picking view supporting scriptures while ignoring many others that opposed their theology. My shock is when realizing that some key scriptures that opposed a particular subject do not get used more often or are used in a different topic not related to the k w is it against. So that, you can't put the pieces together and spot a contradiction.

I encourage people to engage in this type of Bible study. Use concordance, gather ALL the scriptures for that subject. In many cases, you will see scriptures that relate to that subject that the publication never mentions. This type of study is the MOST progressive method of Bible study. I have never in my life seen a study method that is so eye opening than that method.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 5:50am On Apr 20, 2025
achorladey:
E no dey easy at all. Na me know how I started my investigation and even tested those findings to check how true it is. I can confidently say even here on Nairaland the investigation and experiment turned out to be true. That's why when I found out the very same thing that they use in condemning others is the very same thing they do then I know staying is IDOLATRY basically worshiping men who say they are apostles but are liars grin cheesy cheesy wink

I know most of the Jehovah's witnesses on this platform while I was still active and locked in the believe will readily support my post. Commend the knowledge and how verse I am even when I still be ordinary publisher.

The moment they detected a slight change in the way I express those beliefs, they come raging at me. Then I know they are always about you towing the line no matter how glaring the lies are.grin cheesy cheesy grin

Is it not same Jehovah's witnesses on this platform that tried everything in their powerful to lie that child abusers are carried not by real Jehovah's witnesses, Is it not same Jehovah's witnesses that was trying to tell me Christians have two hopes when the Bible says one when I challenged that belief?
Thats how it goes, just tell us what agrees with the GB, we're ok, but if you say anything different from the GB, you've become their enemy, yet they will tell a churchgoer to go against his own Pastors teaching. And tell him to question his pastor and even read the Bible to show why one supposed to stand for what the Bible says even if his pastor teach something different. But whenever it comes to their GB, remain dumb. They fail to see that the same scripture they read to others apply to them as well. Make sure of all things and hold fast to what is true is not for only churchgoers. We must obey God as ruler rather than men is not only for churchgoers but for all leaders who go against what God says.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:14am On Apr 20, 2025
Lucifyre:
Typical man child. So much growing up to do, so little time.
Ọmọ he go pain you tire, you thought no religionist could beat the intelligence of atheists but you're wrong that's why you now support false religionists against the true religion but it's OK all of you are on the same page! wink
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:25am On Apr 20, 2025
Sand2022:
True orderliness is seeing Christ as the head of the congregation (1cor 11:1-3). Such that if those taking lead goes against Christ, you go against them.
True worshipers obey God as ruler rather than men (Acts 5:29).
That's where the problem is, Christ told you to obey his shepherds, did he mean that you obey his shepherds when they tell you to do what Christ himself doesn't approve? It is even worse when there is no evidence that Christ appointed them. True worshipers are Christ focused not GB focused.
You are a complete failure.
Orderliness means following orders that works what is beneficial in the gathering of imperfect humans not rebellion against a perfect setting.
The GB is a perfect group though it's the little flock of imperfect humans with the keys of the kingdom whatever they bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever they may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens. Matthew 16:19
Ọmọ that's why you can never ever find a religion performing better than JWs as they are following the GB the group Christ Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom! smiley
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:40am On Apr 20, 2025
Sand2022:
Super indcotrination tactics.
Funny atheist!
God promised to unite people of all the nations and use what is written in His word to help them resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves divert their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
The Watchtower has achieved this today throughout the world only adherents of the Watchtower are no more into worldly politics that's leading people into killing people instead they are becoming united the more they study the material together and you are here calling that "indoctrination" shey? cheesy
If indoctrination could uproot racism and hatred in the hearts of people from different countries throughout the world abeg i will love to be INDOCTRINATED again and again and again in fact i will love to be INDOCTRINATED forever! cheesy

Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:54am On Apr 20, 2025
Sand2022:
Thats how it goes, just tell us what agrees with the GB, we're ok, but if you say anything different from the GB, you've become their enemy, yet they will tell a churchgoer to go against his own Pastors teaching. And tell him to question his pastor and even read the Bible to show why one supposed to stand for what the Bible says even if his pastor teach something different. But whenever it comes to their GB, remain dumb. They fail to see that the same scripture they read to others apply to them as well. Make sure of all things and hold fast to what is true is not for only churchgoers. We must obey God as ruler rather than men is not only for churchgoers but for all leaders who go against what God says.
If pastor's teachings is working out what is beneficial in their gathering what can a Watchtower student say to convince a churchian?
See what a churchian type below

richmond500:
I was born into a Christian family but I stopped church 3yrs ago and has only been to church less than 10times in the past 3yrs. Most of my reasons has to do with my financial muscle to keep up with church demands.

1. Preaching pattern: when growing up, the preaching was all about salvation and morals. But now the preaching became all about money, sowing seed and giving to pastors, nobody even talks about giving to poor people. As a young man who is struggling, I find it hard giving to pastors that are already swimming in wealth.

2. Church donations: the most painful part was during my NYSC, the church will always look for a way to collect money every Sunday, imagine earning 33k and one resident pastors is tasking members to provide money for fuel for church generator every Sunday, if they are having any outreach, members will be pay meanwhile the G.O is travelling on private jets while I am fuelling church generator, that was not all, we were again asked to sow a seed on the G.Os life cos it was his birthday, they termed it "offer 7". As a corp member, the church became a financial burden on me and I left the church.

3a. Self centeredness in church depts and groups: I remembered when I was still at my parents house, my dad didn't go to church for 2weeks and the group sent him a message that they haven't seen him and he is owing the donations for 2weeks, I was so pissed off cos they didn't care to know why he didn't come to church, they didn't even talk about the refreshment he missed how they will send it to him, they were after their money.

3b. Consequences for not donating: if one dies, the church brings up his debt and then if he is owing debt, the group he belongs to will not partake in his funeral if his family didn't pay up the debt. Omo, this made me finally cut ties with church as I couldn't see the preaching of selfless love that Jesus preached all his days on earth

4. My success came after I stopped church: I stopped going to church after 31st January 2022, after the church decide to stay away from a funeral of a church member cos his family refused to pay his debt, that year marked tremendous success for me and I began to wonder why should I go to church that only preach about success when I got my breakthrough after cutting ties with church.
I got my first job that year and got another second job that same year. I was doing two jobs that doesn't stress me, meanwhile I have been praying and buying mantle for financial breakthrough.

I think churches should be flexible on financial demands
Now compare to this:

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told
.
Do you think it's right to introduce this group to the guy above perhaps he still wants to continue worshiping the Bible God? smiley
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Lucifyre: 9:20am On Apr 20, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ he go pain you tire, you thought no religionist could beat the intelligence of atheists but you're wrong that's why you now support false religionists against the true religion but it's OK all of you are on the same page! wink
You intelligent?! 🤣 🤡
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by achorladey: 10:17am On Apr 20, 2025
Sand2022:
Thats how it goes, just tell us what agrees with the GB, we're ok, but if you say anything different from the GB, you've become their enemy, yet they will tell a churchgoer to go against his own Pastors teaching. And tell him to question his pastor and even read the Bible to show why one supposed to stand for what the Bible says even if his pastor teach something different. But whenever it comes to their GB, remain dumb. They fail to see that the same scripture they read to others apply to them as well. Make sure of all things and hold fast to what is true is not for only churchgoers. We must obey God as ruler rather than men is not only for churchgoers but for all leaders who go against what God says.
Words well placed
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by achorladey: 10:23am On Apr 20, 2025
Sand2022:
Yes, Sundays are mainly watchtower study. Many talks are sleep inducing. Watchtower is the part people enjoy the most. Super indcotrination tactics.

The watchtower conductor is selected from among the best teachers among the elders. I happen to handle that office when I was serving. The watchtower is carefully written and screens out what could raise doubt in the subject under discussion. At times, I do see ways in which one can squash the argument presented therein, but of course the questions are worded to be pro-GB teachings.

You see what I have discovered is, you dknt get to get see the error in your religious group by studying the proofs they presented in there publications, even if those publications are filled with biblical proofs. They will deceive you right within your eyes.

The best is, get what they say is rhere interpretations. Write it somewhere. On your own consider that topic as a study project. Gather ALL the scriptures relevant to that subject by using a concordance. Then ask each of those scriptures gathered the question under discussion, then you will start to see that the whole argument presented in the publication are full of inconsistencies with many other scriptures. Research one subject at a time, don't bring many subject together.

This was rhe method I used, and saw that many things I was thought was just the GB picking view supporting scriptures while ignoring many others that opposed their theology. My shock is when realizing that some key scriptures that opposed a particular subject do not get used more often or are used in a different topic not related to the k w is it against. So that, you can't put the pieces together and spot a contradiction.

I encourage people to engage in this type of Bible study. Use concordance, gather ALL the scriptures for that subject. In many cases, you will see scriptures that relate to that subject that the publication never mentions. This type of study is the MOST progressive method of Bible study. I have never in my life seen a study method that is so eye opening than that method.
The one way they start their indoctrination is developing a concocted topic around a verse of the Bible. Anyone that don't read other reference to that particular scripture will be led into something else entirely. grin cheesy cheesy

For example their GOD of all scripture Matthew 24:44,45 who is faithful and discreet slave? Reading in content and context of the whole of Matthew 24 will never, I repeat never lead you to the believe that Jesus is talking about some men that will rise in the 21st century. What do we have today? They have turn the whole Bible to reflect around their GODS of men housed in USA cheesy grin grin grin
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Maximus692(m): 10:25am On Apr 20, 2025
Lucifyre:
You intelligent?! 🤣 🤡
Atheist! cheesy
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Maximus692(m): 4:26pm On Apr 21, 2025
God's organization! smiley
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 6:11am On Apr 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If pastor's teachings is working out what is beneficial in their gathering what can a Watchtower student say to convince a churchian?
See what a churchian type below



Now compare to this:



Do you think it's right to introduce this group to the guy above perhaps he still wants to continue worshiping the Bible God? smiley
The post you keep charging about JWs is from someone who knows little about Jehovah's witnesses as it is clear from what he said. I have responded to all he said.

However, let's look at the words of Governing Body Member, who knows all the truth about Jehovah's witnesses. Raymond Franz has been there, and in his crisis of conscience, see the summary of what he observed about Jehovah's witnesses. You can read more from his book, crisis of conscience.

According to Crisis of Conscience, Raymond Franz left due to deep ethical and doctrinal concerns. Some key issues include:

1. Authoritarian Control of the Governing Body

Raymond felt that decisions were often made through organizational policy rather than Scripture.

He described the Governing Body as functioning more like a corporate board than a spiritual collective.

Policies affecting people's lives (e.g., disfellowshipping, blood transfusions, etc.) were sometimes enforced based on interpretations that he viewed as legalistic or speculative.


2. Rigid Disfellowshipping Practices

He was troubled by the harshness and lack of compassion in how disfellowshipping was handled.

Raymond objected to how people were excommunicated not just for moral issues but for disagreeing with non-essential doctrines.


3. Misuse of “Unity”

The organization promoted a uniformity of thought that stifled personal conscience and biblical reasoning.

Independent thinking or sincere questioning of doctrine was viewed as apostasy.


4. False Prophetic Expectations

He struggled with the organization's history of failed prophetic interpretations (e.g., predictions about 1914, 1925, 1975) and the lack of accountability.

He believed these failures undermined the organization's claim to be God’s exclusive channel.


5. Personal Crisis of Conscience

Raymond could no longer reconcile his conscience with continued leadership in an organization that he believed was misrepresenting Scripture and manipulating members' lives.

He formally disassociated himself after he was disfellowshipped in 1981 on allegations of apostasy, largely due to his association with people who were also questioning Watchtower teachings."

Compare what the guy said with what a former Governing Body Member, who knows more than you do has to say.

I being once an elder agrees with Ray Franz as I know the religion well. I even have more in addition to what Ray Franz says which I have also shared.

All one need to do is to go to reddit exjw forum and see the experiences of those who have been former members to see how the organization really is.

We will not forget that this self acclaimed organization of Jehovah has the highest child sexual abuse cases per capita compared to the Catholic Church in Australia. And this is so considering the fact that they don't maintain Borden homes, no child care centers like the Catholic church, yet they have more than a thousand child abuse cases.

How can God's organization rank higher in sexual immortality than those they call Satan's organization? Is that not the reason they agree to be paying fines instead of releasing the list of child molesters in their database?
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022: 6:37am On Apr 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheist!
God promised to unite people of all the nations and use what is written in His word to help them resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves divert their resources into production of food and information materials stop producing buying selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
The Watchtower has achieved this today throughout the world only adherents of the Watchtower are no more into worldly politics that's leading people into killing people instead they are becoming united the more they study the material together and you are here calling that "indoctrination" shey? cheesy
If indoctrination could uproot racism and hatred in the hearts of people from different countries throughout the world abeg i will love to be INDOCTRINATED again and again and again in fact i will love to be INDOCTRINATED forever! cheesy
Don't mistake false unity to true unity. Fighting wars is of God himself. I don't know how the GB has blinded your eyes into seeing that Jehovah himself called himself Jehovah of ARMIES. In the future Jesus is coming with the anointed ones to fight mother of all wars, Armageddon. So, some individuals you know today, even members of your GB believe they will join in that war.

While world without war is sweet and can be emotional soothing, it is not the truth found in the bible.

The bible portion you quoted will fulfill in God's new world, not in this age. Unity is achieved through love of Christ, not love of tax collectors and sinners who love only those who love them and hate those who doesn't.

The church have had foundations that display what is called Christlike love and true worship. They cater for victims of natural disasters, wars, infame, disabled, homeless, orphans, widows etc, and they make it available for all, Jehovah's witnesses and the rest. That is the form of worship that is acceptable to our God.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Maximus692(m): 7:36pm On May 05, 2025
Sand2022:
Don't mistake false unity to true unity. Fighting wars is of God himself. I don't know how the GB has blinded your eyes into seeing that Jehovah himself called himself Jehovah of ARMIES.
So your god is that useless that it's own worshipers as in it's loyalists will carry weapons against themselves despite being worshipers of the same god?

Haba!

Is this how hatred for truth has blurred your senses?

Ọmọ the meaning of that title "God" is "Supreme Being" so get it straight into your brain that no supreme person feels OK when his or her loyalists are fighting against themselves.

Jesus said:

“Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25

So how can you be in your right senses thinking God's children who are fighting spiritually in support of His kingdom will be fighting and killing themselves? undecided

Ọmọ you're sick o! embarassed
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by Sand2022:
Maximus692:
So your god is that useless that it's own worshipers as in it's loyalists will carry weapons against themselves despite being worshipers of the same god?

Haba!

Is this how hatred for truth has blurred your senses?

Ọmọ the meaning of that title "God" is "Supreme Being" so get it straight into your brain that no supreme person feels OK when his or her loyalists are fighting against themselves.

Jesus said:

“Every kingdom divided against itself comes to ruin, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25

So how can you be in your right senses thinking God's children who are fighting spiritually in support of His kingdom will be fighting and killing themselves? undecided

Ọmọ you're sick o! embarassed
Is it that you don't read scripture or you read but do not believe it? Didn't David's army fight Absalom and his Israelites army, who all were worshiping the same God? (2sam 18)

Didn't Jephthah fight his Ephraimite brothers, and God made Jephthah win? (Judges 11; 12)

Didn't Ahimelech kingship after killing his brothers, eventually result in a civil in Shechem? (Judges 9)

Are all these not worshiping the same God? War is not fun, God himself doesn't like people killing themselves for no just course, whether they are His children or not. But situations can lead to war. if we say that God is against war, how then will you explain these obvious wars fought by His faithful servants? If you're saying joining the army is a sin, you're calling God a sinner and his bible servants sinners. God authorized wars, took a side in conflicts, called Himself Jehovah of armies.

I understand that you can't accept because that is not what your GB teach. It's ok, but unfortunately the bible has examples of wars God supported. Of His worshipers fighting another of His worshipers. There is nothing they can do about that.

This doesn't mean he enjoys the show, but this is part of what he allows in this side of heaven. This is one issue that should be left for personal decision.
Re: JW 030 Can Sane Humans Remain In A Religion Knowing Its False? by MaxInDHouse(op): 4:19pm On May 07, 2025
Sand2022:
Is it that you don't read scripture or you read but do not believe it? Didn't David's army fight Absalom and his Israelites army, who all were worshiping the same God? (2sam 18)

Didn't Jephthah fight his Ephraimite brothers, and God made Jephthah win? (Judges 11; 12)

Didn't Ahimelech kingship after killing his brothers, eventually result in a civil in Shechem? (Judges 9)

Are all these not worshiping the same God?
NO!
They are not worshipers of the same God!

This is where you got everything wrong!

As a worshiper of Jehovah you must keep your senses to know who is on the side of Jehovah not just following the crowd.
Jehovah has never been in support of two opposing sides so it's you who needs to pay rapt attention to know who is doing Jehovah's will.

During the time Joshua led the Israelites to conquer Jericho the inhabitants of that city could have been neutral if they knew Jehovah's will but since only Rahab used her brain to figure out who is having Jehovah's backing she supported God's will.

Now go back to those events and think deeply about each pair of opposing sides, meditate on what each side is fighting for, i'm sure you will know which side Jehovah is before the conquest.

That's exactly what you are missing today.

All the religions on this planet are in one side while the only true religion is on the other side so which one is the only true religion?

If you're not interested in knowing that then i'm sorry for you!smiley
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