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justwise:
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Not surprised because that is him pretty much talking about sharia law

At the same time, a video has been going round of a man, alleged to be his father(a former Scottish MP), publicly calling for international blasphemy laws against Islam.

Zahra29:
Benefits/ public funds such as

- 30 hrs free childcare from 9 months (open to permanent residents earning < £100k)

- child care benefits of nearly £80 a week for 4 children (income threshold £60 - 80k)

- universal credit, housing support and other welfare payments ( in- work allowances to help supplement household incomes where wages are too low or housing costs too high)

Not all benefits are the maligned "giro" payment aka unemployment benefit or free council house lol

There are several in-work benefits/public funds which I don't think most people, including immigrants, earning less than £80k- 100k would turn down.

I saw a thread following the white paper where a group of immigrants were advocating starting a petition to call for the government to decouple all benefits from permanent residence, until another group jumped on and accused them of selling themselves short and signing away their entitlements. So it's not that black and white.

As quoted by someone earlier. The benefits is the least of the factors most people consider for ILR. For me personally I dont think about it. Infact, I am not looking forward to it. Someone with personal purpose and high hopes which many legal immigrant fall into wont hope to be in a position to claim universal credit, job seekers allowance etc. Even the child benefit stuff is a joke of amount. Besides who wouldn't want his household income be above 80k all in the name of benefits that are monitored. Infact, Many immigrants household income (especially those in London and environs) is already above this. Many people paying nursery fees know that the difference between nursery fee even after applying the 15hrs universal free hours to fees without 15hrs is negligible. Nurseries will tell you the government support does not cover things like feeding the child, nappies etc. I don't see how the 30 hours will be or is any different.

I have always maintained that the social welfare system of the country is it's biggest problem. Until funds are channelled towards the real problems which is building additional infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, repairing the roads etc., they will keep running in circles. There are vacancies right, left, centre. It is ILR that is holding most migrants back.

dubaiprince:
As quoted by someone earlier. The benefits is the least of the factors most people consider for ILR. For me personally I dont think about it. Infact, I am not looking forward to it. Someone with personal purpose and high hopes which many legal immigrant fall into wont hope to be in a position to claim universal credit, job seekers allowance etc. Even the child benefit stuff is a joke of amount. Besides who wouldn't want his household income be above 80k all in the name of benefits that are monitored. Infact, Many immigrants household income (especially those in London and environs) is already above this. Many people paying nursery fees know that the difference between nursery fee even after applying the 15hrs universal free hours to fees without 15hrs is negligible. Nurseries will tell you the government support does not cover things like feeding the child, nappies etc. I don't see how the 30 hours will be or is any different.

I have always maintained that the social welfare system of the country is it's biggest problem. Until funds are channelled towards the real problems which is building additional infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, repairing the roads etc., they will keep running in circles. There are vacancies right, left, centre. It is ILR that is holding most migrants back.

The major problem about UK immigration, like I have always said, is deliberate and proper segmentation of immigrants; it's only the UK that keeps bundling all immigrants, including the ones termed as illegal, into one bucket. Other western countries have succeeded in defining different categories of immigrants, including the terms of achieving permanent residence under different categories and even timelines in some cases. This helps in controlling the amount and easily filtering those you want to permanently keep. From there, you can know those immigrants who will not be too much burden on your system, and you can then plan adequately for other things, like infrastructure, as you have said. But the UK keeps paying lip service to these things and keeps blabbing that it wants to attract highly skilled immigrants, and still treats them like trash at the end of the day, with all sorts of threats and disrespect, despite all that has been contributed by these hard-working immigrants. Of course, the country will keep running in circles until it is sincere about what it needs and what it doesn't want. You can't be making noise about stopping the boats, but you always end up inflicting emotional pain and uncertainty on those who are law-abiding immigrants.

dubaiprince:
As quoted by someone earlier. The benefits is the least of the factors most people consider for ILR. For me personally I dont think about it. Infact, I am not looking forward to it. Someone with personal purpose and high hopes which many legal immigrant fall into wont hope to be in a position to claim universal credit, job seekers allowance etc. Even the child benefit stuff is a joke of amount. Besides who wouldn't want his household income be above 80k all in the name of benefits that are monitored. Infact, Many immigrants household income (especially those in London and environs) is already above this. Many people paying nursery fees know that the difference between nursery fee even after applying the 15hrs universal free hours to fees without 15hrs is negligible. Nurseries will tell you the government support does not cover things like feeding the child, nappies etc. I don't see how the 30 hours will be or is any different.

I have always maintained that the social welfare system of the country is it's biggest problem. Until funds are channelled towards the real problems which is building additional infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, repairing the roads etc., they will keep running in circles. There are vacancies right, left, centre. It is ILR that is holding most migrants back.

Then this message should be passed loudly and collectively to the government, don't you think?

I'm sure their concerns would go away if they knew that there would be zero benefits/public funds claims from the "Boris wave", eg. If there was a law extending no-recourse to any public funds even after ILR.

Zahra29:
Then this message should be passed loudly and collectively to the government, don't you think?

I'm sure their concerns would go away if they knew that there would be zero benefits/public funds claims from the "Boris wave", eg. If there was a law extending no-recourse to any public funds even after ILR.

And you think the government does not know? They have all the data and have decided to pick what they want to please those putting pressure on them. You really think plans to increase the qualifying period to 10 years is to reduce net migration? I am not really a fan of discussing politics but what is happening is that the social welfare system is just becoming unsustainable and until priorities are set right, they will keep looking at the wrong places. People (including legal migrants) are paying taxes, NI and the likes and you are housing illegal immigrants in HOTELS? doing visa and pounds bonanza for Ukrainians and hong kongers. Countries like Germany with one of the biggest economies in the world or france collecting money from the UK and still turning a blind eye on illegals crossings mumu abi? The matter long and I don't believe with the brilliant people we have in parliament don't know what's going on. It's all politics

dubaiprince:
And you think the government does not know? They have all the data and have decided to pick what they want to please those putting pressure on them. You really think plans to increase the qualifying period to 10 years is to reduce net migration? I am not really a fan of discussing politics but what is happening is that the social welfare system is just becoming unsustainable and until priorities are set right, they will keep looking at the wrong places. People (including legal migrants) are paying taxes, NI and the likes and you are housing illegal immigrants in HOTELS? doing visa and pounds bonanza for Ukrainians and hong kongers. Countries like Germany with one of the biggest economies in the world or france collecting money from the UK and still turning a blind eye on illegals crossings mumu abi? The matter long and I don't believe with the brilliant people we have in parliament don't know what's going on. It's all politics

These ones were huge numbers and was largely responsible for the increase in net migration but no noise about it. Of course the war in Ukraine and the crisis in Hong Kong were used as justification as if there are no wars or crisis happening in other places. Like you said it’s all politics let’s just leave it there.

Zahra29:
Benefits/ public funds such as

- 30 hrs free childcare from 9 months (open to permanent residents earning < £100k)

- child care benefits of nearly £80 a week for 4 children (income threshold £60 - 80k)

- universal credit, housing support and other welfare payments ( in- work allowances to help supplement household incomes where wages are too low or housing costs too high)

Not all benefits are the maligned "giro" payment aka unemployment benefit or free council house lol

There are several in-work benefits/public funds which I don't think most people, including immigrants, earning less than £80k- 100k would turn down.

I saw a thread following the white paper where a group of immigrants were advocating starting a petition to call for the government to decouple all benefits from permanent residence, until another group jumped on and accused them of selling themselves short and signing away their entitlements. So it's not that black and white.

Nice benefits! But like I said, most immigrants I know are not looking forward to these, dear. I don't know of anyone who got ILR and his/her first instincts was rush to claim benefits.

dubaiprince:
And you think the government does not know? They have all the data and have decided to pick what they want to please those putting pressure on them. You really think plans to increase the qualifying period to 10 years is to reduce net migration? I am not really a fan of discussing politics but what is happening is that the social welfare system is just becoming unsustainable and until priorities are set right, they will keep looking at the wrong places. People (including legal migrants) are paying taxes, NI and the likes and you are housing illegal immigrants in HOTELS? doing visa and pounds bonanza for Ukrainians and hong kongers. Countries like Germany with one of the biggest economies in the world or france collecting money from the UK and still turning a blind eye on illegals crossings mumu abi? The matter long and I don't believe with the brilliant people we have in parliament don't know what's going on. It's all politics

Two truths can coexist at the same time.

Illegal migration via boat crossers (and other routes e.g. visa overstayers) is a huge issue, no one is denying that. It is a harder nut to crack though due to international asylum, human right laws etc. However, the government is trying to tighten up some areas e.g. it recently passed a law that prevents anyone who entered the UK illegally from ever gaining UK citizenship.

However, polls have consistently shown that the vast majority of the public sees legal immigration as a huge issue also, particularly since Covid.

This has been compounded by the 2021 Amsterdam School of Economics paper – ‘Borderless Welfare State: The Consequences of Immigration for Public Finances’ which concluded that some categories of immigrants make a negative net contribution to the public finances over a lifetime.

This paper has been seized upon by some politicians, civil servants, think tanks etc such as the Adam Institute, who have been making a lot of noise behind the scenes claiming that the post COVID immigration surge poses a significant risk to the welfare state due to the number that came in via "lower skilled, lower paid immigrant routes".

Solumtoya:
Nice benefits! But like I said, most immigrants I know are not looking forward to these, dear. I don't know of anyone who got ILR and his/her first instincts was rush to claim benefits.

So you don't know anyone who earns less than £100k and applied for/ accepted 30 hrs free childcare even though they were eligible. They all said "no, thank you" when offered. That's pretty amazing.

Solumtoya:
Very simple concept. I don't know why folks keep making a big deal out of it.

I don't know why it's very difficult to comprehend........ 😁🙄

Whilst procrastinating, pontificating and stuck in a loop of indecisiveness, people spend 10 or more years, stuck within this cycle. You still have to live somewhere, in this period (regardless)......

Why not make this year's count, than thinking about your deposit with your landlord imagining it (might) never be returned ....... 😁
😂


RENT MONEY REMAINS DEAD MONEY..... 🤑😂😁

OPERATION FIRE YOUR LANDLORD...... 🤣🔥

Zahra29:
Two truths can coexist at the same time.

Illegal migration via boat crossers (and other routes e.g. visa overstayers) is a huge issue, no one is denying that. It is a harder nut to crack though due to international asylum, human right laws etc. However, the government is trying to tighten up some areas e.g. it recently passed a law that prevents anyone who entered the UK illegally from ever gaining UK citizenship.

However, polls have consistently shown that the vast majority the public sees legal immigration as a huge issue also, particularly since Covid.

This has been compounded by the 2021 Amsterdam School of Economics paper – ‘Borderless Welfare State: The Consequences of Immigration for Public Finances’ which concluded that some categories of immigrants make a negative net contribution to the public finances over a lifetime.

This paper has been seized upon by some politicians, civil servants, think tanks etc such as the Adam Institute, who have been making a lot of noise behind the scenes claiming that the post COVID immigration surge poses a significant risk to the welfare state due to the number that came in via "lower skilled, lower paid immigrants routes".

It’s the politicians that makes the public to feel so cos they will never segment the data properly for the public to get the right perspective which is deliberate for political reasons. For example the healthcare and care visas are not only for care workers, they include doctors, nurses and every specialised clinical professional working in that sector. How many of these people will solely rely on benefits in the future that will be a burden or threat to the society?

Goke7:
It’s the politicians that makes the public to feel so cos they will never segment the data properly for the public to get the right perspective which is deliberate for political reasons. For example the healthcare and care visas are not only for care workers, they include doctors, nurses and every specialised clinical professional working in that sector. How many of these people will solely rely on benefits in the future that will be a burden or threat to the society?

I'm sure that's why the government specifically mentioned that there would be carve-outs for doctors, nurses and specialist NHS workers to reduce their time to settlement.

Goke7:
Oga Lexus, don't want you to leave him in the UK, na. He's only talking out of love, oh!

Once I retire, I shall be enjoying my pension in places like Cape Verde, Dubai, Spain and Turkey......... 😂🦃😁🍗

Nigeria would still be better (but that would be in about 250 years)..... Shame I would have kicked my bucket and not witness that new Nigeria positive transformation........ 😁😂🇳🇬🤣

Zahra29:
So you don't know anyone who earns less than £100k and applied for/ accepted 30 hrs free childcare even though they were eligible. They all said "no, thank you" when offered. That's pretty amazing.

Hilarious.

Gerrard59:
Generally, developed countries would have to increase birth rates or revamp the pension system. Something has to give in. The UAE model is good for even immigrants (after all most immigrants are economic in nature), but bad for the pension system in the UK. Another option is to increase taxes, but many wealthier European countries have high taxes and low birth rates. The UAE/Qatari/Singapore model fits smaller and wealthier nations. The alternative for more populated countries would be to increase the birth rate or rework the pension system.

Increase birth rate? When jobs are drying up? What then are the people going to do?
The years ahead will need lesser and lesser people to run the economy/society.
It takes more than 40 people to clear a 10 acres farm 50 years ago, it only requires 1 tractor man to do the job today and will require a robot or a man with better technological equipment less than 5 hours to do that job in the next 50 years.
So I don't believe we need more humans. Actually we need lesser

Lexusgs430:
Once I retire, I shall be enjoying my pension in places like Cape Verde, Dubai, Spain and Turkey......... 😂🦃😁🍗

Nigeria would still be better (but that would be in about 250 years)..... Shame I would have kicked my bucket and not witness that new Nigeria positive transformation........ 😁😂🇳🇬🤣

😂 carry uk money outside make we see. you think say you wise! 70 yr old man 😂

Goke7:
😂 carry uk money outside make we see. you think say you wise! 70 yr old man 😂

Na so I plan my own o..... Make other's too plan their own, however they desire.....

I go turn cruise ships, to my short let apartment....... 😁😂

emmaodet:
Increase birth rate? When jobs are drying up? What then are the people going to do?
The years ahead will need lesser and lesser people to run the economy/society.
It takes more than 40 people to clear a 10 acres farm 50 years ago, it only requires 1 tractor man to do the job today and will require a robot or a man with better technological equipment less than 5 hours to do that job in the next 50 years.
So I don't believe we need more humans. Actually we need lesser

Na wetin me and Tensa20 dey discuss hours ago. The future will have fewer jobs, more automation/robots. There was an article on the FT where the CATL CEO predicted that half of the trucks in China would be EVs by 2030. That thing put fear for my body because, should trucks - a major component of transportation, which consumes crude oil a lot - become electric, oil prices would not increase as before. China has more industrial robots than the US, South Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

The good jobs will be fiercely competed for. So yes, people should have fewer children. However, the pension system, as it is, has to be reworked or higher taxes imposed on wealthier persons and companies. Just that in an age of easy mobility, I love to see how policymakers will navigate things. Companies can be domiciled elsewhere, ditto factories. Moneyed individuals can change tax location (as recently experienced in the UK). How would governments compel these persons to be within where they can be taxed?

Goke7:
The major problem about UK immigration, like I have always said, is deliberate and proper segmentation of immigrants; it's only the UK that keeps bundling all immigrants, including the ones termed as illegal, into one bucket . Other western countries have succeeded in defining different categories of immigrants, including the terms of achieving permanent residence under different categories and even timelines in some cases. This helps in controlling the amount and easily filtering those you want to permanently keep. From there, you can know those immigrants who will not be too much burden on your system, and you can then plan adequately for other things, like infrastructure, as you have said. But the UK keeps paying lip service to these things and keeps blabbing that it wants to attract highly skilled immigrants, and still treats them like trash at the end of the day, with all sorts of threats and disrespect, despite all that has been contributed by these hard-working immigrants. Of course, the country will keep running in circles until it is sincere about what it needs and what it doesn't want. You can't be making noise about stopping the boats, but you always end up inflicting emotional pain and uncertainty on those who are law-abiding immigrants.

@ the bolded..because it is politically convenient to do.

The government is unable to "stop the boats". Current data suggests it is on track to record one of the largest numbers of illegal arrivals this year. However, legal migration is something that can be easily exercised control over. If he separates both categories, his failure on illicit migration would be glaring and would become fuel for the campaign of right-wing parties.

The 15 hours free child care sponsored by the government, is it public fund?

I want to apply for my 2 year old but I am still on skilled worker visa and don’t know if it’s public fund because I am not entitled to public fund till I get my ILR.

Please I need your help regarding this question. Thanks

babranancy:
The 15 hours free child care sponsored by the government, is it public fund?

I want to apply for my 2 year old but I am still on skilled worker visa and don’t know if it’s public fund because I am not entitled to public fund till I get my ILR.

Please I need your help regarding this question. Thanks

Yes it is public funds. Before you apply, you can check your eligibility and if you indicate that you are on a visa, it will say you are ineligible to apply. I tried applying for my daughter but couldn’t and was told I am not eligible. Had to result to paying for her nursery fees.

NewT123:
Yes it is public funds. Before you apply, you can check your eligibility and if you indicate that you are on a visa, it will say you are ineligible to apply. I tried applying for my daughter but couldn’t and was told I am not eligible. Had to result to paying for her nursery fees.

What about the 30 hours for a 3 yr old? Is it public funds

The UK Government has announced that from the 2026 school year, all children in families on Universal Credit will get free school meals

It will cover schools, colleges, and school-based nurseries, benefit 500,000 children, and lift 100,000 "completely out of poverty"

elengine:
What about the 30 hours for a 3 yr old? Is it public funds

Yes, 30 hours is public funds.

15 hours is universal.

elengine:
What about the 30 hours for a 3 yr old? Is it public funds

Yes it is. Your 3 year old is only eligible for free 15hrs

So the 15 hours is free and not public fund?

babranancy:
So the 15 hours is free and not public fund?

Yes, from 3 years 15 hours childcare is universal i.e not classified as public funds or based on requirements such as income or settlement status.

My child is 2 years and 2 months, which means she can’t access the 15 hours till she’s 3 years right?

[quote author=Zahra29 post=135631422]Yes, from 3 years 15 hours childcare is universal i.e not classified as public funds or based on requirements such as income or settlement status.


Thanks for your response.

justwise:
I doubt he will win this in Supreme Court, his lawlessness is shaking the foundation of American legal system. If he is not restrained the damage will be irreparable.

Elon is the winner here at least for the next 4yrs, now he can step down quietly to enjoy his loot.

Oya o..... See what I said.....

Musk Blasts Trump’s ‘Ingratitude’ in Escalating Spat Over Tax Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-05/trump-says-he-s-disappointed-by-musk-over-critique-of-tax-bill

Lexusgs430:
Oya o..... See what I said.....

Musk Blasts Trump’s ‘Ingratitude’ in Escalating Spat Over Tax Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-05/trump-says-he-s-disappointed-by-musk-over-critique-of-tax-bill

Gbas gbos! Round 2 fight 😂