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Goke7:
Some even want the Robinson guy to replace Zia 😂 let’s just leave it there

Farage has already distanced himself from Robinson lol

Robinson is facing another trial for assaulting journalists

Goke7:
Some even want the Robinson guy to replace Zia 😂 let’s just leave it there

Farage wanted to distance himself from the far right (mass remigration, fascism, and all that), but that calculation may change.

Cyberknight:
Farage wanted to distance himself from the far right (mass remigration, fascism, and all that), but that calculation may change.

Absolutely, anything to grab power is welcome.

In naija the Adelekes (davido family) are almost set to move into the APC from the PDP while some persons are saying their party is not for sale others are saying the president is the father of the nation and everyone is welcome 😂 so whoever will advance the reform party into Downing Street will never be turned down. Simple!

Lexusgs430:
We all know Trump is a petrolhead....... And the anti doge reforms, trump needs to pass, never sat well with elon...... Hence that resignation earlier (that was masked as end of term)........ 😊😁😂

We need some sanity in the Global economy..... 😁😊

Sanity? lol the chaos is just beginning, get ready to buy cheap Tesla shares if Trump goes through with his threats, not only that, Musk immigration history is in question now… it’s going to get very messy

Zahra29:
Not necessarily. The fallout when Rupert Lowe was kicked out of the party appeared very damaging, especially as he had/has a lot of support amongst most Reform members, but Reform still went on to win the Runcorn by-election and hundreds of council seats.

If they find a "competent" replacement and professionallise, they'll probably be fine. On the radio yesterday, Reform callers said they either didn't know who Zia was, or didn't care that he'd left as they were ultimately voting for Nigel lol

Competent from which race is the question… they need an ethic minority to be shown as a trophy so as to win the race war then after the election they go back to their default setting

justwise:
Sanity? lol the chaos is just beginning, get ready to buy cheap Tesla shares if Trump goes through with his threats, not only that, Musk immigration history is in question now… it’s going to get very messy

I sold all my tsla positions @$356..... Still looking at the market, to enter again...... One person MUST fall, for another to RISE..... 😁😂😊

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Zahra29:
Apparently she crowd sourced for her first PMQ and that's the question that came up the most 😂

She never said it came up the most.

She just chose it out of all the ones she got - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cql2pzr5qlqo

You may need to state where you are so others can know how to reroute you or link you up

Emerald138:
Hi everyone, I've been in the UK for nine months now on a student visa.

I am at my wits' end as I have no way to pay my upcoming bills. I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips and help. Thank you

The most interesting thing about the Zia Yousaf episode was his reaction when he first heard the question. He called it dumb for the MP to ask whether the Prime Minister would do something her own party wouldn’t. That reaction made it clear—he genuinely believed this was something the Reform Party would never do.

Turns out, both Nigel Farage and the party refused to rule it out, and Lee Anderson even clearly said they would do it (seemingly in direct response to Zia). So it was something they could conceivably do. I’m sure that came as a shock to him, and it seems it led to his resignation.

Yes, no party is perfect. But that point is also irrelevant. Saying “none of them is perfect” and treating them as interchangeable is like looking at a chihuahua and a pit bull to pick one for a child and saying, “Well, they’re both dogs, they both have teeth, so none of them is perfect and either one would be the same.” That would be a very foolish decision.

The same goes for politics. There are empirical, observable differences in how parties approach ethnic minorities and immigrants. Ignoring those differences and saying it's okay to support a party or person with a consistent history of bigotry in various guises just because you agree with them on a couple of headline policies? That’s not pragmatism. It is delusion.

Goodenoch:
The most interesting thing about the Zia Yousaf episode was his reaction when he first heard the question. He called it dumb for the MP to ask whether the Prime Minister would do something her own party wouldn’t. That reaction made it clear—he genuinely believed this was something the Reform Party would never do.

Turns out, both Nigel Farage and the party refused to rule it out, and Lee Anderson even clearly said they would do it (seemingly in direct response to Zia). So it was something they could conceivably do. I’m sure that came as a shock to him, and it seems it led to his resignation.

Yes, no party is perfect. But that point is also irrelevant. Saying “none of them is perfect” and treating them as interchangeable is like looking at a chihuahua and a pit bull to pick one for a child and saying, “Well, they’re both dogs, they both have teeth, so none of them is perfect and either one would be the same.” That would be a very foolish decision.

The same goes for politics. There are empirical, observable differences in how parties approach ethnic minorities and immigrants. Ignoring those differences and saying it's okay to support a party or person with a history of racism just because you agree with them on a couple of headline policies? That’s not pragmatism. It is delusion.

I hope you realise that many in the Muslim and Jewish community have abandoned the Labour party due to its history (and also on-going allegations) of discrimination. Many women also felt discriminated against by Labour's stance during the "what is a woman" fiasco and others.

Don't just pick on one party, be fair and call out discrimination of all forms (not just racism) in all parties and sectors.

The only parties that are relatively untainted so far are the Lib Dems and Greens, but all the mainstream parties have their issues with discrimination.

And even if Reform wanted to ban the burqa/ face coverings, they would be following the precedent set by several European countries that are regarded as progressive (France, Denmark etc). Even Muslim-majority countries have enforced bans, not just on the burqa, but also on the niqab, such as Algeria, Azerbaijan, and Bosnia.

A 2016 YouGov poll showed that 57% of the British public supported a ban on wearing the burka in the UK so it's not a completely outlandish and outright racist concept.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/16331-majority-public-backs-burka-ban

Fun fact: The British debate over face coverings was sparked back in 2006 by former Labour Foreign Sec Jack Straw who stated that he preferred women to not wear the niqab when speaking to them as he could not see their face, and that he usually asked them to remove it.

justwise:
Competent from which race is the question… they need an ethic minority to be shown as a trophy so as to win the race war then after the election they go back to their default setting

Hamza Yousef was replaced by a white man

Vaughan Gething was replaced by a white woman

Kemi Badenoch will most likely be replaced by a white man in the person of Robert Jenrick

Labour leaders and deputies have only ever been replaced by white men (and more recently a white woman)

So I don't think it's necessary for Zia to be replaced by another ethnic minority unless as you say, Reform specifically want the optics of an ethnic minority in the party leadership.

Zahra29:
I hope you realise that many in the Muslim and Jewish community have abandoned the Labour party due to its history (and also on-going allegations) of discrimination. Many women also felt discriminated against by Labour's stance during the "what is a woman" fiasco and others.

Don't just pick on one party, be fair and call out discrimination of all forms (not just racism) in all parties and sectors.

The only parties that are relatively untainted so far are the Lib Dems and Greens, but all the mainstream parties have their issues with discrimination.

And even if Reform wanted to ban the burqa/ face coverings, they would be following the precedent set by several European countries that are regarded as progressive (France, Denmark etc). Even Muslim-majority countries have enforced bans, not just on the burqa, but also on the niqab, such as Algeria, Azerbaijan, and Bosnia.

A 2016 YouGov poll showed that 57% of the British public supported a ban on wearing the burka in the UK so it's not a completely outlandish and outright racist concept.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/16331-majority-public-backs-burka-ban

1. My point is that Reform is demonstrably more hostile to ethnic minorities and immigrants than Labour. Repeating that they all have issues with discrimination doesn't change that.

2. The burqa thing is just an example that highlights how minorities who delude themselves into thinking they are on the same page with people with a track record of bigotry always get shanked. The point wasn't British people don't want it or that it's inherently racist - it is that the chairman of the party apparently believed that something that's against his and his community's interests would never be done by his party whereas it was apparently a core aim of the real holders of political power in the same party. I'm sure it made him question what else he was mistaken about in terms of what Farage and Co would do if they actually get into office.

Thats the point I'm highlighting for those here who have also said they'd vote Reform because of his tax proposals or whatever.

Goodenoch:
1. My point is that Reform is demonstrably more hostile to ethnic minorities and immigrants than Labour. Repeating that they all have issues with discrimination doesn't change that.

2. The burqa thing is just an example that highlights how minorities who delude themselves into thinking they are on the same page with people with a track record of bigotry always get shanked. The point wasn't British people don't want it or that it's inherently racist - it is that the chairman of the party apparently believed that something that's against his and his community's interests would never be done by his party whereas it was apparently a core aim of the real holders of political power in the same party. I'm sure it made him question what else he was mistaken about in terms of what Farage and Co would do if they actually get into office.

Thats the point I'm highlighting for those here who have also said they'd vote Reform because of his tax proposals or whatever.

1. So as long as the hostility/discrimination is conducted covertly then it's okay. I'm sure the Muslim Labour councillors, MPs and others like Abbot who have received actual death threats and racist comments (albeit behind the scenes) from members of the Labour Party would beg to differ.

2. Given Reform's partial provenance as Ukip, I don't think it would/should have been a shock to Zia that they would consider/support a burqa ban especially when such a policy has polled quite highly among their supporters and the wider British public. Did he not realise who he was dealing with - Lee Anderson, Rupert Lowe and co?

It's like Elon being completely shocked that Trump has turned on him or is telling porkies🙄

Politics isn't for the naive.

Emerald138:
Hi everyone, I've been in the UK for nine months now on a student visa, and I've been unable to secure a part-time job, even as a kitchen porter or warehouse assistant. I receive impromptu interview calls, and at the end, they ask about my visa status and when it expires.

When I tell them the month it expires, they say they can't proceed with my application.

I am at my wits' end as I have no way to pay my upcoming bills. I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips and help. Thank you

Let them know instead that you plan to apply for PSW which should extend it by 2 years.

Lexusgs430:
So we can clearly see a pattern..... My next question would be, those wearing face coverings in the UK, do they ever visit the countries on the banned list..... The answer would be NO..... 😁

My own question is when it is banned, will those that practice it and teach others to practice it leave the country of their own volition or they will go against what they teach?

You can see that given a change of circumstance, humans will do what they condemn.

Zahra29:
1. 1. So as long as the hostility/discrimination is conducted covertly then it's okay.

2. Politics isn't for the naive.

1. I never said that and it can't reasonably be deduced from anything I've said. To put it in basic terms - When one says X is worse than Y, It doesn't mean that Y is at an optimal level or cannot be improved further. Hope you understand now?

2. Exactly my message to the Reform-admirers here.

Zahra29:
Hamza Yousef was replaced by a white man

Vaughan Gething was replaced by a white woman

Kemi Badenoch will most likely be replaced by a white man in the person of Robert Jenrick

Labour leaders and deputies have only ever been replaced by white men (and more recently a white woman)

So I don't think it's necessary for Zia to be replaced by another ethnic minority unless as you say, Reform specifically want the optics of an ethnic minority in the party leadership.

They have more than enough white men/women for party leader but that is not the point, the inclusion of ethnic minority as party leader for a party like Reform is for a reason, They need a colourful exterior just to win more votes from non-white communities

Zia was very naive or ignorant to think that joining Reform will bring any change. The bedrock of Reform political party is ..Make Britain White Again

Goodenoch:
1. I never said that and it can't reasonably be deduced from anything I've said. To put it in basic terms - When one says X is worse than Y, It doesn't mean that Y is at an optimal level or cannot be improved further. Hope you understand now?

2. Exactly my message to the Reform-admirers here.

1. You are the one who forever claims that X is infinitely worse than Y; and my point is that just because Y is more covert doesn't mean that it is much better than X such that it is only X that deserves your scrutiny and criticism. That's a biased and narrow minded position. Hope you understand now.

2. I'm not sure there are many Reform admirers here and those who have spoken out in favour of Reform/Farage in one way or another do not appear ignorant of their stated or potential policies. Just as many discerning and educated people voted for Trump in full awareness of his character flaws and predilections.
It's a free choice.
Afterall, all the ethnic minorities who voted for Labour solely because they believed they were more immigrant friendly and would introduce lenient policies - that's not how it's played out has it.

justwise:
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They have more than enough white men/women for party leader but that is not the point, the inclusion of ethnic minority as party leader for a party like Reform is for a reason, They need a colourful exterior just to win more votes from non-white communities

Zia was very naive or ignorant to think that joining Reform will bring any change. The bedrock of Reform political party is ..Make Britain White Again

Zia may be young, but I don't think he's that naive.
I think that he wasn't starry eyed about his actions when joining, and knew all about Reform and what it means, but joined for his own reasons (basic self interest - getting in on the ground floor of a party that is still statistically likely to form the next government in 2029), and had to leave when his position became untenable.

justwise:
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They have more than enough white men/women for party leader but that is not the point, the inclusion of ethnic minority as party leader for a party like Reform is for a reason, They need a colourful exterior just to win more votes from non-white communities

Zia was very naive or ignorant to think that joining Reform will bring any change. The bedrock of Reform political party is ..Make Britain White Again

I've been reading more about slavery recently (focusing on enclopedia brittanica) and the knowledge gained has significantly changed my views on how to apportion the blames for slavery. In the past, I always blamed African tribal leaders more for enslaving their own people and selling them off to the invaders however the impact of slavery on the development of the western economy cannot be overemphasized. The west MUST accept and live with blacks, racists MUST be punished at all times. In essence, Britain or wherever CANNOT be white again. These people plundered Africa so much, they MUST accommodate Africans.

Zahra29:
1. You are the one who forever claims that X is infinitely worse than Y; and my point is that just because Y is more covert doesn't mean that it is much better than X such that it is only X that deserves your scrutiny and criticism. That's a biased and narrow minded position. Hope you understand now.

2. I'm not sure there are many Reform admirers here and those who have spoken out in favour of Reform/Farage in one way or another do not appear ignorant of their stated or potential policies. Just as many discerning and educated people voted for Trump in full awareness of his character flaws and predilections.
It's a free choice.
Afterall, all the ethnic minorities who voted for Labour solely because they believed they were more immigrant friendly and would introduce lenient policies - that's not how it's played out has it.

Okay.

justwise:
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They have more than enough white men/women for party leader but that is not the point, the inclusion of ethnic minority as party leader for a party like Reform is for a reason, They need a colourful exterior just to win more votes from non-white communities

Zia was very naive or ignorant to think that joining Reform will bring any change. The bedrock of Reform political party is ..Make Britain White Again

Perhaps. I suppose it depends on how much weight they place on Muslim voters which is allegedly the group that Zia was courting before he resigned. Time will tell.

I agree that Zia was naive. However even Elon's father was on the radio yesterday claiming that his genuis son was inexperienced about real politics, hence his faux pas. He didn't mean it. Basically pleading for Trump to forgive him lol.

Cyberknight:
Zia may be young, but I don't think he's that naive.
I think that he wasn't starry eyed about his actions when joining, and knew all about Reform and what it means, but joined for his own reasons (basic self interest - getting in on the ground floor of a party that is still statistically likely to form the next government in 2029), and had to leave when his position became untenable.

Why do you think this was? Ie why did his position become untenable in your view?

ehizario2012:
I've been reading more about slavery recently (focusing on enclopedia brittanica) and the knowledge gained has significantly changed my views on how to apportion the blames for slavery. In the past, I always blamed African tribal leaders more for enslaving their own people and selling them off to the invaders however the impact of slavery on the development of the western economy cannot be overemphasized. The west MUST accept and live with blacks, racists MUST be punished at all times. In essence, Britain or wherever CANNOT be white again. These people plundered Africa so much, they MUST accommodate Africans.

Please also include West Indians, Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankas, Bangladeshis, Burmese/Myanmars, Hong Kong, Singaporeans and others

Please has anyone recently obtained schengen visa for Greece using flight reservation?

ehizario2012:
I've been reading more about slavery recently (focusing on enclopedia brittanica) and the knowledge gained has significantly changed my views on how to apportion the blames for slavery. In the past, I always blamed African tribal leaders more for enslaving their own people and selling them off to the invaders however the impact of slavery on the development of the western economy cannot be overemphasized. The west MUST accept and live with blacks, racists MUST be punished at all times. In essence, Britain or wherever CANNOT be white again. These people plundered Africa so much, they MUST accommodate Africans.

Very idealistic.

Zahra29:
Why do you think this was? Ie why did his position become untenable in your view?

My dear Zahra, if it will help, I'll readily own that I haven't had my Weetabix yet.

Cyberknight:
My dear Zahra, if it will help, I'll readily own that I haven't had my Weetabix yet.

LOL

It wasn't a bait fyi. It's all still speculative at this point so I was genuinely interested to hear your take.

Circle back when you've had your Weetabix 😂

Zahra29:
LOL

It wasn't a bait fyi. It's all still speculative at this point so I was genuinely interested to hear your take.

Circle back when you've had your Weetabix 😂

My point exactly.
We can't know, and until Zia or someone close to him says something, we probably never will.
The media have speculated ad infinitum: he's variously alleged to have been sidelined within Reform and suddenly had a fit of pique or to have considered that the mooted ban was a red line for his religious community (as an African I could also plump for the oh-so-familiar scenario of some revered ascendant approaching one in a moment of non-conformity, clutching their chest and declaring that "If you do/don't do this, I will die o!" ), so our engaging in further speculation as to what's already been speculated about will likely get us nowhere.

Zahra29:
Perhaps. I suppose it depends on how much weight they place on Muslim voters which is allegedly the group that Zia was courting before he resigned. Time will tell.

I agree that Zia was naive. However even Elon's father was on the radio yesterday claiming that his genuis son was inexperienced about real politics, hence his faux pas. He didn't mean it. Basically pleading for Trump to forgive him lol.

😂 his father should have helped him to stay off drugs instead!

Viruses:
My own question is when it is banned, will those that practice it and teach others to practice it leave the country of their own volition or they will go against what they teach?

You can see that given a change of circumstance, humans will do what they condemn.

Let's wait and see....... 😂😁

In current countries that have imposed a ban, I think those that wore, unwore to comply........ 😁😂😊