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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 1:56pm On Jun 07, 2025
Lexusgs430:
Let's wait and see....... 😂😁

In current countries that have imposed a ban, I think those that wore, unwore to comply........ 😁😂😊
It's obvious, hence I said people would practice what they condemn given a change in circumstance. While at it, they will find a way to justify their actions to their gullible faithfuls who would also see reasons with them.

Why do you think politicians always know the right things to do until they get into power and their gullible followers defend them before and after.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:02pm On Jun 07, 2025
Viruses:
It's obvious, hence I said people would practice what they condemn given a change in circumstance. While at it, they will find a way to justify their actions to their gullible faithfuls who would also see reasons with them.

Why do you think politicians always know the right things to do until they get into power and their gullible followers defend them before and after.
So, in a place like China where Christians (among other religions) are not allowed to practice their faith freely, cannot carry bibles openly in some cases, cannot teach their children the bible, cannot congregate to pray etc etc, you think that people complying is normal and reflects them justifying their actions to gullible people?

You don't think it's because people have no choice in the face of repression and violation of their rights?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 3:12pm On Jun 07, 2025
Cyberknight:
Zia may be young, but I don't think he's that naive.
I think that he wasn't starry eyed about his actions when joining, and knew all about Reform and what it means, but joined for his own reasons (basic self interest - getting in on the ground floor of a party that is still statistically likely to form the next government in 2029), and had to leave when his position became untenable.
If Zia truly joined Reform with the mindset that he will gain anything personally then he is a dumb as a rock. Reform just like UKip is Farage personal project, a party that has issues with multiculturism is not a party for non-white communities.

White people that join Reform do that because they stand with Farage silently on make-up of Britain, Farage is to them what Trump is to white racist Americans.

African American attending Trump rallies are positioned in front wearing those useless T-shirts: black for Trump, how many African Americans are in Trump's cabinet?

Yes Zia and many ethnic minorities who joined Reform are just ignorant
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod):
Zahra29:
Perhaps. I suppose it depends on how much[b] weight they place on Muslim voters which is allegedly the group that Zia was courting before he resigned[/b]. Time will tell.

I agree that Zia was naive. However even Elon's father was on the radio yesterday claiming that his genuis son was inexperienced about real politics, hence his faux pas. He didn't mean it. Basically pleading for Trump to forgive him lol.
Muslim votes carries a lot of weight in many cities in this country, many politicians fight for their vote, ask George Galloway because he understands that game very well and have benefited from it.

Reform stands no chance in cities like Bradford, Halifax, Luton, some part of Manchester where Muslim communities outnumbered Whites

Reform needs votes and validation from ethnic minority hence the attempt to appoint one despite many white candidates
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 3:23pm On Jun 07, 2025
Zahra29:
Please also include West Indians, Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankas, Bangladeshis, Burmese/Myanmars, Hong Kong, Singaporeans and others
Well, I'm still reading so I can't fully comment on if these people mentioned above should be included. However I don't think the transatlantic slave trade included Asia, infact the Muslims (Pakistani and the likes) believed in enslaving non - Muslims who didn't convert to Islam (that's a different topic entirely.) My focus is on the dark skinned man (denoted as black) from Africa who was forcefully taken by the invading Europeans to America and Europe to develop their economy. At the end of slavery, the focus shifted from trafficking humans to outright looting of natural resources which was used to develop Europe especially. Migration is never going to end and these people MUST learn to deal with that. They started it.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 5:16pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Muslim votes carries a lot of weight in many cities in this country, many politicians fight for their vote, ask George Galloway because he understands that game very well and have benefited from it.

Reform stands no chance in cities like Bradford, Halifax, Luton, some part of Manchester where Muslim communities outnumbered Whites

Reform needs votes and validation from ethnic minority hence the attend to appoint one despite many white candidates
True, but remember that Galloway lost his seat in last year's GE to Labour, despite the Muslim support due to his stance on Gaza, so it's not completely insurmountable.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 5:19pm On Jun 07, 2025
ehizario2012:
Well, I'm still reading so I can't fully comment on if these people mentioned above should be included. However I don't think the transatlantic slave trade included Asia, infact the Muslims (Pakistani and the likes) believed in enslaving non - Muslims who didn't convert to Islam (that's a different topic entirely.) My focus is on the dark skinned man (denoted as black) from Africa who was forcefully taken by the invading Europeans to America and Europe to develop their economy. At the end of slavery, the focus shifted from trafficking humans to outright looting of natural resources which was used to develop Europe especially. Migration is never going to end and these people MUST learn to deal with that. They started it.
Agree that migration is never going to stop, nor should it.

However the reality is that you can't expect or force western nations to accept what they view as uncontrolled or illegal migration, regardless of their colonial or slave trade past.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 5:34pm On Jun 07, 2025
Zahra29:
True, but remember that Galloway lost his seat in last year's GE to Labour, despite the Muslim support due to his stance on Gaza, so it's not completely insurmountable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv040rnqzo
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 5:34pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv040rnqzo
Zia Yusuf returning to Reform UK two days after quitting
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 5:44pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Zia Yusuf returning to Reform UK two days after quitting
LOL!!!!

And this is in spite of Richard Rice doubling down on the burqa ban debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-burqa-ban-richard-tice-zia-yusuf-b2765014.html

Politics eh 😂
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 5:51pm On Jun 07, 2025
Zahra29:
LOL!!!!

And this is in spite of Richard Rice doubling down on the burqa ban debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-burqa-ban-richard-tice-zia-yusuf-b2765014.html

Politics eh 😂
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 5:54pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Zia Yusuf returning to Reform UK two days after quitting
Yusuf will lead what the party calls its "Doge team" – which is modelled on the Department of Government Efficiency set up by US President Donald Trump.

Lol bunch of jokers
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 6:05pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Yusuf will lead what the party calls its "Doge team" – which is modelled on the Department of Government Efficiency set up by US President Donald Trump.

Lol bunch of jokers
and get shanked again like musk 😂
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 6:11pm On Jun 07, 2025
Goodenoch:
So, in a place like China where Christians (among other religions) are not allowed to practice their faith freely, cannot carry bibles openly in some cases, cannot teach their children the bible, cannot congregate to pray etc etc, you think that people complying is normal and reflects them justifying their actions to gullible people?

You don't think it's because people have no choice in the face of repression and violation of their rights?
We all have choices, it all depend on what is at stake.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 6:14pm On Jun 07, 2025
Viruses:
We all have choices, it all depend on what is at stake.
And when people make those choices under duress, it means they were deceiving gullible people ab initio àbí?

Makes sense. 👍🏿
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 6:21pm On Jun 07, 2025
Goodenoch:
And when people make those choices under duress, it means they were deceiving gullible people an initio àbí?

Makes sense. 👍🏿
When made under duress, then it wasn't a choice.
We all have choices we can make freely, it depends on what is at stake.

By the way, I used politicians to make examples of their actions before and after they enter power, I don't know why you twisted it to religion. What is your motive?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 7:02pm On Jun 07, 2025
Viruses:
When made under duress, then it wasn't a choice.
We all have choices we can make freely, it depends on what is at stake.

By the way, I used politicians to make examples of their actions before and after they enter power, I don't know why you twisted it to religion. What is your motive?
I really don't want to engage further on this but because you've implied I'm being dishonest, I have to say you should check what you posted.

You referenced gullible followers twice, and it's the second that was in relation to politicians. The first was still about people who change what they do as per religious beliefs in response to things being outlawed where they live.

Perhaps you meant something else, but I responded to what you said and only that.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 7:12pm On Jun 07, 2025
Goodenoch:
I really don't want to engage further on this but because you've implied I'm being dishonest, I have to say you should check what you posted.

You referenced gullible followers twice, and it's the second that was in relation to politicians. The first was still about people who change what they do as per religious beliefs in response to things being outlawed where they live.

Perhaps you meant something else, but I responded to what you said and only that.
Given a change in circumstance, people will practice what they condemn and justify their actions to their gullible faithfuls.

It's up to you to assume I'm referring to religious faithfuls to suit your narrative.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 7:24pm On Jun 07, 2025
Viruses:
Given a change in circumstance, people will practice what they condemn and justify their actions to their gullible faithfuls.

It's up to you to assume I'm referring to religious faithfuls to suit your narrative.
Mó ti gbọ́. Mó ti gbà.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 7:41pm On Jun 07, 2025
Goke7:
and get shanked again like musk 😂
Yup and he will resign again after another inhouse fighting
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Raalsalghul: 8:31pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Muslim votes carries a lot of weight in many cities in this country, many politicians fight for their vote, ask George Galloway because he understands that game very well and have benefited from it.

Reform stands no chance in cities like Bradford, Halifax, Luton, some part of Manchester where Muslim communities outnumbered Whites

Reform needs votes and validation from ethnic minority hence the attempt to appoint one despite many white candidates
Add Birmingham to your list.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 9:52pm On Jun 07, 2025
justwise:
Muslim votes carries a lot of weight in many cities in this country, many politicians fight for their vote, ask George Galloway because he understands that game very well and have benefited from it.

Reform stands no chance in cities like Bradford, Halifax, Luton, some part of Manchester where Muslim communities outnumbered Whites

Reform needs votes and validation from ethnic minority hence the attempt to appoint one despite many white candidates
I definitely don't think Reform is factoring in winning votes from ethnic minorities to get it where it wants to be. They will of course get votes from the UK equivalents of the Trump's Latino voters, but those aren't their target audience.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 11:53pm On Jun 07, 2025
ehizario2012:
I've been reading more about slavery recently (focusing on enclopedia brittanica) and the knowledge gained has significantly changed my views on how to apportion the blames for slavery. In the past, I always blamed African tribal leaders more for enslaving their own people and selling them off to the invaders however the impact of slavery on the development of the western economy cannot be overemphasized. The west MUST accept and live with blacks, racists MUST be punished at all times. In essence, Britain or wherever CANNOT be white again. These people plundered Africa so much, they MUST accommodate Africans.
The rhetorics that African chiefs sell their brothers is untrue.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 5:34am On Jun 08, 2025
lavida001:
The rhetorics that African chiefs sell their brothers is untrue.
Can you throw more light?

It is highly documented that slaves were traded. Who were the sellers?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Cyberknight: 8:16am On Jun 08, 2025
justwise:
Yusuf will lead what the party calls its "Doge team" – which is modelled on the Department of Government Efficiency set up by US President Donald Trump.

Lol bunch of jokers
The amount of sheer copying and pasting and brown-nosing is astounding as the original DOGE itself was a useless, incompetent mess charging around senselessly doing much more harm than any bit of good.
There are definitely some efficiency gains to be found in every organisation, and these can be found down the line when the new councillors have understood their briefs and the organisations that they run, but ultimately the best long-term solution to getting councils to deliver value for money lies in properly increasing councils' revenue (anathema to Reform-ists and the magic-money-tree general populace) and/or reforming their single greatest expense - adult social care.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 10:06am On Jun 08, 2025
emmaodet:
Bro sorry to ask but what is all these fuss about the extended residency permit issue? 5 years extra and so what? If you get your British residency in 5 years, most probably you would have stayed extra 5 years or more anyway from observation.
So why the worry?
Most guys I know who migrated to US, Canada and UK have all been staying there years after getting their passports, I hardly know anyone who came back home finally, so waiting for 10 years, working and paying your taxes looks no different to me.
As someone on a Skilled Worker visa, being laid off or made redundant is especially risky—you have just 60 days to find a new sponsor or switch visas, which is nearly impossible in today’s job market. Currently, the average probability of redundancy is about 2% per year. Over five years, that’s roughly 10%, and on a 10-year route, it increases to 20%, especially in sectors that are competitive or prone to disruption.

Meanwhile, those without visa restrictions can change jobs more freely after five years to boost their income, without the added stress of needing sponsorship or worrying about passing probation.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by SapphireFort(f): 10:47am On Jun 08, 2025
SapphireFort:
Please has anyone recently obtained schengen visa for Greece using flight reservation?
Does anyone have an answer to this please?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(mod): 10:59am On Jun 08, 2025
Cyberknight:
I definitely don't think Reform is factoring in winning votes from ethnic minorities to get it where it wants to be. They will of course get votes from the UK equivalents of the Trump's Latino voters, but those aren't their target audience.
Vote from ethnic minorities for a party like Reform is more than numbers, to have an ethnic minority as a leader and managed to get a good chunk of votes from that community will give Reform a solid ground to push back on accusation of racism.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Omotaday(m): 11:32am On Jun 08, 2025
Zahra29:
LOL!!!!

And this is in spite of Richard Rice doubling down on the burqa ban debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-burqa-ban-richard-tice-zia-yusuf-b2765014.html

Politics eh 😂
The guy you all thought resigned due to the Burka ban brouhaha said he’d even vote to ban it, just 2 days after resigning.

The claim that western politicians are impeccable when it comes to personal conviction and integrity is now a myth.

It’s a sh1tshow, from the US, to EU, UK and their lapdogs whether in South Korea or Romania.

The world is going crazy.

Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:04pm On Jun 08, 2025
justwise:
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Thanks justwise
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 12:13pm On Jun 08, 2025
Omotaday:
The guy you all thought resigned due to the Burka ban brouhaha said he’d even vote to ban it, just 2 days after resigning.

The claim that western politicians are impeccable when it comes to personal conviction and integrity is now a myth.

It’s a sh1tshow, from the US, to EU, UK and their lapdogs whether in South Korea or Romania.

The world is going crazy.
I personally thought it was strange and unlikely that Zia resigned solely over the burqa issue as surely he would have been aware that such a policy was in Reform's DNA given their membership and history.

Over 10 Muslim countries have banned the burqa (and some the niqab as well) in public spaces, and many Muslims think that the burqa is not necessary or helpful.
So I don't think it makes Zia a sell-out, nor do I think it's a racist policy, to propose restrictions - or at the very least an open debate on the topic of non-essential face coverings in public spaces.

There are many crazy and sad events in the world at the moment, but this particular issue is a storm in a teacup.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jedisco(m):
bamituni:
Thanks everyone for you responses! Well appreciated.
Finally, for those looking to start a business, I'd list some pros.

1. You decide how and when you draw your pay- that your company receives 100k does not mean you have to take a salary. You can decide to take nothing or say 12.5k (which is the income tax treshold) as salary and the rest as dividends. Of course, youd still pay some NI on a portion on this income.

2. One can expense running costs of their business. Asides usual business expenditure, If you do some work from home, you can expense a commensurate part of your mortgage or rent (incl utilities) as business costs.


3. Regarding pensions, as a company director, you can make contributions from your company directly to your SIPP. This is also taken as expense before tax is paid but you don't however get the extra government 20 or 40% rebate an individual would get for company contributions made directly from a company. I believe the maximum you can take is your taxable income or the 60k annual treshold (whichever is lower). So in essense, say out of 100k received via ones company, you can theorically put 50k in your pension as an expense before corporation tax is paid. Aside this, you can still make personal SIPP contributions i.e from personal funds and still get the govt rebate.

4. You can invest retained profits. There are few ways of doing this. One would be in your business itself. Another may be via a company investment account which certain providers (e.g Investengine) allow. You can invest retained profits in a global fvnd and unlike with individuals, dividends received by a company are tax-free. Certain caveats apply here. Also, one can start a sister company to get investment properties and loan/invest funds from ones primary company hence keeping things seperate.

5. In pulling out cash- one can be very flexible. If you have a non-working partner or family member, you could enrol them and pay them market rates to work in the company as an admin e.t.c. Irrespective of earnings one can pay themselves an annual salary of say 12.5k and take the rest needed as dividends (lower tax rate than income). Same also for ones partner. This can keep household income below the 50k (or 60k) treshold eligibility for child benefits.

6. Certain fees can also be expensed from a company. E.g life insurance for the directors, professional fees e.t.c

7. Not too uncommonly, there are initiatives targeted at business owners which one can take advantage of. The recent one was electric cars where the 'benefit in kind' payable by the driver was much discounted and the total cost of the car could be discounted in the first year before tax was due. This incentivised most business owners to purchase new electric cars as most of that money would have been paid as tax eitherway. I also did the maths and an electric car was sensible. Too bad their secondhand value decline quickly

8. There has been mention of director’s loan but I dont know how it really works.

9. There are also things like entrepreneurs relief when one comes to close their company which means you can pay much reduced rates on closing ones company with the allowance being upto 1m per person

10. There are discount grocery stores which only serve companies. Common one is Bookers. Got to know about via some healthcare assistants who were working via their company


Cons would be.
1. If you've not got a mortgage, going self employed or working via a ltd co adds another hoop. Most lenders would want 2yrs of trading history.

2. If you need most of the money for day-to-day living then the tax benefits are manytimes little or one may even pay more. Remember you still have to pay corporation tax on profits from a company.

3. Working fulltime via ones company means no employment benefits- sick, study leave etc so you have to factor this in and get adequate insurance.


Personally, I think it works well for many when one holds say a government or NHS role parttime with all its benefits and does the rest via their company.
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