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Gerrard59:
Bros, while we agree to disagree, as long as women, with all the economic opportunities and reproductive rights they possess, are not WILLING to have more children, there is nothing that can be done. Women are the sole bearers of children, and so far and across the globe, they are staying off childbearing whether in gender equal societies or culturally repressive ones. Governments have provided all sorts of benefits from Norway to South Korea to Singapore to Hungary to the UK, yet birth rates are dwindling, not increasing. In fact, marriage rates are receding, not climbing.


I am also an advocate for fewer children, especially from a Nigerian perspective. But how do you solve a world with fewer consumers? Fewer productive demographics? A collapsing pension system? Fewer hands to build and maintain infrastructure?


Obviously a matter for another day.

😂 Shebi you all love AI! make una kotinu

ehizario2012:
So it's actually better to pay for goods with a credit card and then credit the card account afterwards? Instead of doing a cash transfer or using debit card payment?

Baba Lexus have been an advocate of this on this forum and I agree totally with him, even when you have cash, it’s better using a credit card for sensitive transactions including Air travels as you’re insuring yourself against unforeseen circumstances.

Goke7:
Baba Lexus have been an advocate of this on this forum and I agree totally with him, even when you have cash, it’s better using a credit card for sensitive transactions including Air travels as you’re insuring yourself against unforeseen circumstances.

Unforeseen circumstances such as?

Also, why's the credit card better?

Goke7:
Very true o, just look at the way ICE is clamping on people all in the name of going after criminals to deport them, at end the farmers and hoteliers are the ones crying now that their workers are being targeted 😂 so tey baba Trump had to complain too. That’s when you’ll know how deceptive these rubbish they do are.

This Trump? 😂

"Trump orders increase in migrant deportations"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk2kpk817vo.amp

Yet another U-Turn, but a very welcome one. This national inquiry is long overdue. Hopefully it doesn't take 10 years. Action and justice is needed as soon as possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/15/keir-starmer-bows-to-pressure-to-launch-new-grooming-gangs-investigation

Zahra29:
Yet another U-Turn, but a very welcome one. This national inquiry is long overdue. Hopefully it doesn't take 10 years. Action and justice is needed as soon as possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/15/keir-starmer-bows-to-pressure-to-launch-new-grooming-gangs-investigation

justice has ALREADY been served because those who did these are either in jail or have been sentenced

All these right wing guys do not care about the girls
They are just playing politics and feeding more into anti immigrant sentiment

Raalsalghul:
Unforeseen circumstances such as?

Also, why's the credit card better?

Refunds /Reimbursements

That's why it seems it's better

Zahra29:
This Trump? 😂

"Trump orders increase in migrant deportations"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk2kpk817vo.amp

Yes, targeting New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, while other states and cities can keep their migrants. Simple as ABC!

RodgersAkpafu:
justice has ALREADY been served because those who did these are either in jail or have been sentenced

All these right wing guys do not care about the girls
They are just playing politics and feeding more into anti immigrant sentiment

This is completely false. Please do a little background reading on the topic and you'll know that a pitifully small number of perpetrators have even been investigated. Only last week, 7 men were found guilty of abuse going back as far as 2001, with further trials scheduled.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/13/seven-men-who-groomed-vulnerable-girls-in-rochdale-guilty-of-multiple-sex-offences

There have been attempted coverups at various levels for many years so we need a full, robust, independent investigation to bring justice for the poor victims and to hopefully prevent recurrence.

Is Labour now right-wing because it is the government that has ordered the national inquiry and gone further to propose tougher policies.

Goke7:
Yes, targeting New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, while other states and cities can keep their migrants. Simple as ABC!

Also sanctuary cities which typically have larger migrant populations.

"Trump also ordered immigration authorities to focus their efforts on sanctuary cities"

Zahra29:
Also sanctuary cities which typically have larger migrant populations.

"Trump also ordered immigration authorities to focus their efforts on sanctuary cities"

Those are the cities I mentioned; so the other cities or states don't have migrants anymore, as it is only those large cities that have criminals, according to Baba Trump

Zahra29:
This is completely false. Please do a little background reading on the topic and you'll know that a pitifully small number of perpetrators have even been investigated. Only last week, 7 men were found guilty of abuse going back as far as 2001, with further trials scheduled.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/13/seven-men-who-groomed-vulnerable-girls-in-rochdale-guilty-of-multiple-sex-offences

There have been attempted coverups at various levels for many years so we need a full, robust, independent investigation to bring justice for the poor victims and to hopefully prevent recurrence.

Is Labour now right-wing because it is the government that has ordered the national inquiry and gone further to propose tougher policies.

Labour caved in to right wing pressures

And YOU ARE drinking from the right wing kool aid

Sometimes I regret voting Labour to be very honest

Many many many people have been caught and sentenced, more can still be caught, but the whole racism undercurrent to why this is gaining traction is what makes my blood boil, so that talk about "a pitifully small number of people is a lie.

There have been inquiries in the past and recommendations were made in the past. Why didn't the tories do anything about it?


And btw, I live in the North West, the epicenter of this crisis so I know I am saying

All these are racial dog whistles to stir people up, and Starmer doesn't have any spine to take a stand and stand by it

Winter Fuel Allowance was another u turn he should not have taken

Our (adopted) country is crumbling under the weight of late stage capitalism.
People are on the edge
Child poverty at record levels
Housing costs... don't even go there

People at stores penny pinching
But instead of facing all that, how about we create a decoy and blame the immigrants for all the ill that is going on in the country

And immigrants who think they are special, or above other immigrants will be cheering them on because they *delusionally* think that they are the "good ones" while "those ones" are the "bad ones" not knowing that when you give gas to these elements, even YOU will be affected, and such delusion be slapped from your face

Okay look at what happened at Ballymena or so IN THE north, Romanians were accused, Philippinos na im collect woto woto

Pakistanis now are being scape coated, but Nigerians will soon be branded same.
I saw how they splattered the face of that Nigerian man who was "kissing" who he was supposed to care for . It's all over the place and it's to surreptitiously paint us all black

Anyways, some of these delusional "model migrants" will soon learn sha in the UK

Shebi the ones in America are learning their own under a fascist government

Why am I ranting like this.......
This thing "pain me"

RodgersAkpafu:
Labour caved in to right wing pressures

And YOU ARE drinking from the right wing kool aid

Sometimes I regret voting Labour to be very honest

Many many many people have been caught and sentenced, more can still be caught, but the whole racism undercurrent to why this is gaining traction is what makes my blood boil, so that talk about "a pitifully small number of people is a lie.

There have been inquiries in the past and recommendations were made in the past. Why didn't the tories do anything about it?


And btw, I live in the North West, the epicenter of this crisis so I know I am saying

All these are racial dog whistles to stir people up, and Starmer doesn't have any spine to take a stand and stand by it

Winter Fuel Allowance was another u turn he should not have taken

Dog whistling because of investigations into child grooming and rape abuses? Let's forget about the victims shall we, lest we cause a stir that might upset some.

I couldn't care less if it was right wing or west wing, I care about justice for the hundreds of young and vulnerable girls who were exploited and trafficked by gangs of men and who were let down on a colossal scale by institutions that were supposed to protect them. This scandal has been going on for 2 decades, many times swept under the carpet by councils and government, it's high time it's dragged into the open and properly investigated.

Many cases that were not looked into properly ,or at all, are to be reopened and this is good news. Hopefully many more perpetrators will be brought to justice (some are already absconding according to police reports) regardless of their ethnicity, and lessons learned for the future.

Zahra29:
Dog whistling because of investigations into child grooming and rape abuses? Let's forget about the victims shall we, lest we cause a stir that might upset some.

I couldn't care less if it was right wing or west wing, I care about justice for the hundreds of young and vulnerable girls who were exploited and trafficked by gangs of men and who were let down on a colossal scale by institutions that were supposed to protect them. This scandal has been going on for 2 decades, many times swept under the carpet by councils and government, it's high time it's dragged into the open and properly investigated.

Many cases that were not looked into properly ,or at all, are to be reopened and this is good news. Hopefully many more perpetrators will be brought to justice (some are already absconding according to police reports) regardless of their ethnicity, and lessons learned for the future.

This is a very naive post
You really think this is about "the girls" and not ethnic dogwhistle?

It's expected from someone drunk on GB News kool aid

Let's watch as it unfold and how the Pakistani community will be scape goated yet again

Not men taking advantage of vulnerable girls
But "Pakistani" "grooming gangs" "raping" white girls

Let's be watching as things unfold
And let's hope this is done properly and not another political theatre like they did Brexit


Refer to the below

https://youtube.com/shorts/eOKIE9QVGIU?si=xVAb0Vu5HwCb1yCN

It was a talking point for the right wing lunatics like Goodwin and Lowe et al, that the dual nationals should be stripped of their citizenship

Their tweets are out there for reference
Going down a slippery slope of creating second class citizenship status using Pakistani as the pilot program then expanding the scope

Many of una cannot see beyond una noses sha

RodgersAkpafu:
This is a very naive post
You really think this is about "the girls" and not ethnic dogwhistle?

It's expected from someone drunk on GB News kool aid

Let's watch as it unfold and how the Pakistani community will be scape goated yet again

Not men taking advantage of vulnerable girls
But "Pakistani" "grooming gangs" "raping" white girls

Let's be watching as things unfold
And let's hope this is done properly and not another political theatre like they did Brexit

I don't watch GB News.

The inquiry will likely find that the perpetrators of the child grooming abuses are largely of Pakistani origin. This is not new information. If those are the facts then precisely why should we cover it up ?? For fear of being called racist?

The inquiry will also go beyond this and investigate the underlying factors, which institutions were complicit, etc in order to prevent serious harm in the future. The same approach is applied in hate and knife crime and it is right to apply it also to group based child sexual exploitation.

I'm not sure what you're upset about.

I agree in hoping that it is done properly and independently. No cover-ups or tip toeing around uncomfortable issues, or unnecessary delays - and most importantly, any recommendations should be implemented swiftly.

Zahra29:
I don't watch GB News.

The inquiry will likely find that the perpetrators of the child grooming abuses are largely of Pakistani origin. This is not new information. If those are the facts then precisely why should we cover it up ??

The inquiry will also go beyond this and investigate the underlying factors, which institutions were complicit, etc in order to prevent serious harm in the future. The same approach is applied in hate and knife crime and it is right to apply it also to group based child sexual exploitation.

I'm not sure what you're upset about.

I agree in hoping that it is done properly and independently. No cover-ups or tip toeing around uncomfortable issues, or unnecessary delays - and most importantly, any recommendations should be implemented swiftly.

The bolded is what is upsetting me
Its the entire motive of these things
It's not about "uncomfortable truths"
It's about the motive behind what is being done

Obviously we are all in support of punishing all criminals
In fact, upon expanding the scope of this, I am sure most of those who will get nailed will even be white men (like dem Saville and other pigs)

But again, this will be painted as Pakistani man thing despite empirical evidence pointing to the fact that MOST sexual abusers in this country ARE WHITE MEN


Again, refer to this YouTube link below

https://youtube.com/shorts/eOKIE9QVGIU?si=xVAb0Vu5HwCb1yCN

This is the bus stop they are headed to (but it will fail sha )
This is what they really want
A pretext to create a precedence for citizenship revocation, then expanding the scope to every other group of people


Finally we need to be serious about law enforcement in this country and stop playing to the gallery

enact strong laws against it, and then punish whoever gets caught, regardless of the ethnic origin of the person

Lucy literally advocated for the burning and killing of asylum seekers (incitement crime ) and is cooling her evil self in prison, and the same right wing crying about law and order are rationalising what she did and are trying to make excuses to get her out

If she was of another background, that won't be the case
You people can't see what's going on sha, draw parallel from how in America J6 traitors were all pardoned and their actions rationalised by the far right

Anyways what's my own ?

RodgersAkpafu:
The bolded is what is upsetting me
Its the entire motive of these things
It's not about "uncomfortable truths"
It's about the motive behind what is being done

Obviously we are all in support of punishing all criminals
In fact, upon expanding the scope of this, I am sure most of those who will get nailed will even be white men (like dem Saville and other pigs)

But again, this will be painted as Pakistani man thing despite empirical evidence pointing to the fact that MOST sexual abusers in this country ARE WHITE MEN


Again, refer to this YouTube link below

https://youtube.com/shorts/eOKIE9QVGIU?si=xVAb0Vu5HwCb1yCN

This is the bus stop they are headed to (but it will fail sha )
This is what they really want
A pretext to create a precedence for citizenship revocation, then expanding the scope to every other group of people

To the bolded, the UK is still a predominantly white country so it is expected that the majority of overall child sex offenders would be white.

However the report states that there is evidence that Asian men are over-represented in specific group based child sexual exploitation aka grooming gangs.

In any case the inquiry will now look into the ethnicity of identified sex offenders, and this information should be recorded without fear or favour. The aim is not to vilify but to provide greater context and information to help protect children.

RodgersAkpafu:
Our (adopted) country is crumbling under the weight of late stage capitalism.
People are on the edge
Child poverty at record levels
Housing costs... don't even go there

People at stores penny pinching
But instead of facing all that, how about we create a decoy and blame the immigrants for all the ill that is going on in the country

And immigrants who think they are special, or above other immigrants will be cheering them on because they *delusionally* think that they are the "good ones" while "those ones" are the "bad ones" not knowing that when you give gas to these elements, even YOU will be affected, and such delusion be slapped from your face

Okay look at what happened at Ballymena or so IN THE north, Romanians were accused, Philippinos na im collect woto woto

Pakistanis now are being scape coated, but Nigerians will soon be branded same.
I saw how they splattered the face of that Nigerian man who was "kissing" who he was supposed to care for . It's all over the place and it's to surreptitiously paint us all black

Anyways, some of these delusional "model migrants" will soon learn sha in the UK

Shebi the ones in America are learning their own under a fascist government

Why am I ranting like this.......
This thing "pain me"

😂 we’ve been through all these talking points on this thread and some of us are already tired, it’s a name and shame political era in the west and sadly it will be like that for a long time to come as it will continue to provide a good cover for politicians to avoid talking or addressing all the ills you’ve talked about. The quickest and easiest way to win elections or grab power now is to jump at immigrants and you get the votes that’s why all three parties are now singing from the same hymn book.

Goke7:
😂 we’ve been through all these talking points on this thread and some of us are already tired, it’s a name and shame political era in the west and sadly it will be like that for a long time to come as it will continue to provide a good cover for politicians to avoid talking or addressing all the ills you’ve talked about. The quickest and easiest way to win elections or grab power now is to jump at immigrants and you get the votes that’s why all three parties are now singing from the same hymn book.

I went shopping today and decided to be a little bit more observant and look at faces

Look at people with their lists, especially the older ones, see people comparing prices, you can see the forlom and stress in their face as they are trying to shop for supplies for their family

My landlord has hinted that my annual rent will have "quite an uptick" (the exact words used) upib the expiration of my current tenancy

Council tax will be going up again upon the next review
Bus travel in the north West is now more expensive

Train prices nko?


All these going on simultaneously, smacking us left and right
But no, let's do a political theatre
Let's call Pakistanis this
Let's call Nigerians that

They are the reason why the country is in soup Post Brexit and not their foooolish policies

Rada Rada
But no,

Zahra29:
To the bolded, the UK is still a predominantly white country so it is expected that the majority of overall child sex offenders would be white.

However the report states that there is evidence that Asian men are over-represented in specific group based child sexual exploitation aka grooming gangs.

In any case the inquiry will now look into the ethnicity of identified sex offenders, and this information should be recorded without fear or favour. The aim is not to vilify but to provide greater context and information to help protect children.

Your paragraph one is excusing the white offenders

If anything, majority of them are the ones going to Thailand to take advantage of, and defile kids

No Black or Brown Brit is flying to Thailand to go f.... a minor, it's a white people sport
Yet you don't hear them coin them "White overseas sex exploiters"
It's all bs


Paragraph 2 is also NOT correct
Most grooming syndicates busted over the last 30 years WERE ALSO WHITE MEN...
Just last year or so, the one in Scotland was busted and they are in jail

As for paragraph 3....
Again, that is a naive post
If you really think this is about "justice" ; then you have been misled

RodgersAkpafu:
Labour caved in to right wing pressures

And YOU ARE drinking from the right wing kool aid

Sometimes I regret voting Labour to be very honest

Many many many people have been caught and sentenced, more can still be caught, but the whole racism undercurrent to why this is gaining traction is what makes my blood boil, so that talk about "a pitifully small number of people is a lie.

There have been inquiries in the past and recommendations were made in the past. Why didn't the tories do anything about it?


And btw, I live in the North West, the epicenter of this crisis so I know I am saying

All these are racial dog whistles to stir people up, and Starmer doesn't have any spine to take a stand and stand by it

Winter Fuel Allowance was another u turn he should not have taken

Hope at least it's a diverse town/city with a significant percentage of minorities because with the way it's going, it's only a matter of time before it kicks off again.

Nothing is guaranteed but you want to be in a place folks would think twice before they attack a la the Bradfords, the Birminghams and not the Ballymenas.

I work with such individuals on a daily basis and one thing I know is that them they look face before them move.

And I agree with you, all these noise are to reinforce stereotypes and not justice for the victims.

RodgersAkpafu:
I went shopping today and decided to be a little bit more observant and look at faces

Look at people with their lists, especially the older ones, see people comparing prices, you can see the forlom and stress in their face as they are trying to shop for supplies for their family

My landlord has hinted that my annual rent will have "quite an uptick" (the exact words used) upib the expiration of my current tenancy

Council tax will be going up again upon the next review
Bus travel in the north West is now more expensive

Train prices nko?


All these going on simultaneously, smacking us left and right
But no, let's do a political theatre
Let's call Pakistanis this
Let's call Nigerians that

They are the reason why the country is in soup Post Brexit and not their foooolish policies

Rada Rada
But no,

Going after criminals and illegal migrants should never be political; it's just about enforcing the law that's already enshrined in the books. But they will tell you it's what the citizens want or desire, as if people will desire migrants being chased here and there over food, housing, or other basic things in life. It's one of the greatest deceptions I have ever seen in this world. They will incite hate in people and then say it's what the people want to see abeg, these guys are super actors!

Raalsalghul:
Hope at least it's a diverse town/city with a significant percentage of minorities because with the way it's going, it's only a matter of time before it kicks off again.

Nothing is guaranteed but you want to be in a place folks would think twice before they attack a la the Bradfords, the Birminghams and not the Ballymenas.

I work with such individuals on a daily basis and one thing I know is that them they look face before them move.

And I agree with you, all these noise are to reinforce stereotypes and not justice for the victims.

last year
my city was engulfed in the riot

It was MUCH WORSE than it appeared on TV

That was when I knew that many of these guts around us that I thought were neutral were not

Since then, I stay guiding

Goke7:
Going after criminals and illegal migrants should never be political; it's just about enforcing the law that's already enshrined in the books. But they will tell you it's what the citizens want or desire, as if people will desire migrants being chased here and there over food, housing, or other basic things in life. It's one of the greatest deceptions I have ever seen in this world. They will incite hate in people and then say it's what the people want to see abeg, these guys are super actors!

you know the game
That's exactly the game they are playing

RodgersAkpafu:
Your paragraph one is excusing the white offenders

If anything, majority of them are the ones going to Thailand to take advantage of, and defile kids

No Black or Brown Brit is flying to Thailand to go f.... a minor, it's a white people sport
Yet you don't hear them coin them "White overseas sex exploiters"
It's all bs


Paragraph 2 is also NOT correct
Most grooming syndicates busted over the last 30 years WERE ALSO WHITE MEN...
Just last year or so, the one in Scotland was busted and they are in jail

As for paragraph 3....
Again, that is a naive post
If you really think this is about "justice" ; then you have been misled

Sigh... To summarise your angst at the national inquiry:

Childhood victims of depraved gang based sexual exploitation should continue to be ignored, the perpetrators should be allowed to go scot free and the police forces, councils and social workers who covered up the crimes and abandoned the girls (even dismissing a 12 year old victim as a prostitute) should escape accountability because:

- Train prices and council tax rates are going up (which happens every single year bdw)

- The investigations might find that most of the perpetrators are non - white/ Asian

Well, thankfully the decision has been made by the government, most rational people believe it's the right thing to do and hopefully there will be justice and lessons learned taken forward to protect children.

Wahala Left & Right.. 😅😅

Zahra & Others Et Al 😁😁

Zahra29:
Sigh... To summarise your angst at the national inquiry:

Childhood victims of depraved gang based sexual exploitation should continue to be ignored, the perpetrators should be allowed to go scot free and the police forces, councils and social workers who covered up the crimes and abandoned the girls (even dismissing a 12 year old victim as a prostitute) should escape accountability because:

- Train prices and council tax rates are going up (which happens every single year bdw)

- The investigations might find that most of the perpetrators are non - white/ Asian

Well, thankfully the decision has been made by the government, most rational people believe it's the right thing to do and hopefully there will be justice and lessons learned taken forward to protect children.

Well...
Let's agree to disagree then ✌️ ✌️

Since you cannot see the under handedness going on here
And this your summary is NOT my position on the matter AT ALL
I'm not against punishing people who committed crimes

What I am against is giving it an ethnic face and making a political theatre of this whole thing

Even if I explain 100 times, you will still NOT GET IT, so there is no point further trying to explain to you
Just know on a final note, that the monster some of you are ignorantly feeding will grow and consume you all one-day
Ask Latinos of America what they are now going through under a Trump second presidency that they enabled..

Esp the Cubans

Peace ✌️

RodgersAkpafu:
Well...
Let's agree to disagree then ✌️ ✌️

Since you cannot see the under handedness going on here
1. And this your summary is NOT my position on the matter AT ALL
I'm not against punishing people who committed crimes

What I am against is giving it an ethnic face and making a political theatre of this whole thing

2 Even if I explain 100 times, you will still NOT GET IT, so there is no point further trying to explain to you
Just know on a final note, that the monster some of you are ignorantly feeding will grow and consume you all one-day
Ask Latinos of America what they are now going through under a Trump second presidency that they enabled..

Esp the Cubans

Peace ✌️

1. Yes - Zahra29's specialty is the strawman argument. She makes up her own issues by deliberately misrepresenting what you've said and then makes arguments against them, without engaging your point at all.

2. Correct. Don't waste your time. Everyone will realize it for themselves sooner or later just like I did.

RodgersAkpafu:
Well...
Let's agree to disagree then ✌️ ✌️

Since you cannot see the under handedness going on here
And this your summary is NOT my position on the matter AT ALL
I'm not against punishing people who committed crimes

What I am against is giving it an ethnic face and making a political theatre of this whole thing

Even if I explain 100 times, you will still NOT GET IT, so there is no point further trying to explain to you
Just know on a final note, that the monster some of you are ignorantly feeding will grow and consume you all one-day
Ask Latinos of America what they are now going through under a Trump second presidency that they enabled..

Esp the Cubans

Peace ✌️

What I am against is hiding the truth because it might be uncomfortable. Let the inquiry run its course and uncover all the facts regardless of what/who they are. How difficult is that to accept?

To the bolded, thanks for the heads-up but in the decades that I have lived in the UK, I have witnessed several monsters defeated/diminished so I'm not afraid of this "consumption" that you speak of.

Many positive changes have been enabled due to fact finding inquiries e.g. the 1998 public inquiry into the Stephen Lawrence murder (a black teenager who was killed in a racially motivated attack) led to the repeal of the double jeopardy law and ultimately to the arrest of his killers. It also found that the Met police was institutionally racist and needed serious change - which is one of the most significant moments in the history of criminal justice in Britain, especially for black people. None of this would have happened if people sat on their hands and refused to investigate the truth.

Goodenoch:
1. Yes - Zahra29's specialty is the strawman argument. She makes up her own issues by deliberately misrepresenting what you've said and then makes arguments against them, without engaging your point at all.

2. Correct. Don't waste your time. Everyone will realize it for themselves sooner or later just like I did.

Lol....always trying to paint me as a villain...

It was Labour who ordered this inquiry, whom you regularly praise as being non/less racist, so why have you made this a race or Zahra issue?
If you disapprove of the inquiry, you should direct your energy towards Starmer.

AKALAMAGBO:
Wahala Left & Right.. 😅😅

Zahra & Others Et Al 😁😁

Lol, I'm shooketh.

One would think that I wrote the report or ordered the inquiry.